Missouri Police are out to get YOU Mr Ron Paul supporter

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

An ever increasingly paranoid member of another forum I'm on posted this today...

Maybe you've heard, or maybe not, but the Missouri State Police think you might be a security threat.

Why? Because you support Ron Paul and the Campaign for Liberty. Also, because maybe you own guns, oppose abortion or homeschool.

Even, and I'm serious, because you support the U.S. Constitution.

I know, it's ridiculous...and probably steams you a bit.

But here at Campaign for Liberty we are going to give this foolishness the treatment it deserves. More on that in a moment. Let me give you a bit more background.

As you may be aware by now, the Missouri Information Analysis Center (MIAC) recently released a report titled, "The Modern Militia Movement" to over one thousand Missouri law enforcement officers.

What is the Missouri Information Analysis Center? According to its website (http://www.miacx.org/(X(1)S(fewna5npj0h1wv2guef30e55))/default.aspx?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1),

"MIAC is the mechanism to collect incident reports of suspicious activities to be evaluated and analyzed in an effort to identify potential trends or patterns of terrorist or criminal operations within the state of Missouri. MIAC will also function as a vehicle for two-way communication between federal, state and local law enforcement community within our region."

The MIAC warned officers that violent militia members are "usually" supporters of presidential candidates like Ron Paul and are also known for opposition to things like the Federal Reserve and the income tax.

The "study" was undoubtably written by some university liberal who knows nothing of the hundreds of thousands of Missourians who share our values. I can only imagine how many hundreds of thousands of Missouri tax dollars funded this.

Both Ron Paul and Campaign for Liberty champion principles of freedom, peace, and prosperity. We believe that the Founder's vision for America can be reclaimed through education and peaceful activism. It is a common practice of elitist intellectuals and backroom bureaucrats to attempt to crowd everyone into groups and stick labels on them, especially when it involves those who support a Constitutionally-limited government.

Anthony Gregory, editor-in-chief at Campaign for Liberty, has posted an excellent new article (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/article.php?view=28) on our site concerning government broad-brush fear campaigns.

It is important that we respond in the right way when faced with such a government labeling, and the proper way is to go straight to the top in Missouri.

The way to fight thugs and ignorant people in authority is not to cower or rage, but to proudly proclaim who you are and what you believe.

That's why I urge you to sign our Citizen's Petition (http://www.campaignforliberty.com/campaigns/citizenspetition.php) here today.

Note that there's no backing up of their "fact" about MS LEO's being told to investigate Ron Paul supporters or people interested in income tax (Watch out CPAs!!!) or the Federal Reserve.

Talk about woo!!!

[Drudgewire]

That's why I urge you to sign our Citizen's Petition here today.


Hay guyz they want to put us on a watch list let's cut out the middle man and provide it for them. :newlol

[Ohnoes]

Well it would seem the document is real, but I couldn't find it anywhere, but here is a report on it...

http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/1086524.html

However, I'm sure they will overlook this part...

But Hotz said using factors in the report to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from third-party groups are not in danger of harassment from police.

[dudalb]

I am convinced one of the main reasons the Ron Paul campaign was such a huge fizzle was because people got a good look at a lot of his supporters and ran away as quickly as possible.

[SpaceMonkeyZero]

So the forum member fires back with this:
http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/mar/14/fusion-center-data-draws-fire-over-assertions/

And what's right there on the page? A link to infowars.com. Alarmist credibility goes from 60 to 0 in a split second as soon as that website is mentioned!

[cwalner]

"It is a common practice of elitist intellectuals and backroom bureaucrats to attempt to crowd everyone into groups and stick labels on them..."

I couldn't get past this line. The cognative dissonance was just too astounding.

[Thunder]

I hope the Missouri cops arrest em' all!!!!!!! Put em' in FEMA trailers in Baton Rouge and let them die from mold inhalation!!

=)

[Checkmite]

That's curious, wery curious indeed.

Ron Paul supporters and proponents of this so-called Campaign for Liberty tend to present themselves as anti-Federalists; in general, they lay off the state governments because the Constitution gives all the governmental powers not specifically mentioned within it to the states and then to the people.

But now, a state government releases a report warning that self-proclaimed "militia" groups are wacky, dangerous, and often support people like Ron Paul, and suddenly now the state government too is an enemy.

Very curious.

[bob the analyst]

the article and story was also on FOX this morning, take that for what you what

[dudalb]

Just more proof that Fox is now becoming very woo friendly.

[fuelair]

Just more proof that Fox is now becoming very woo friendly.
Haven't needed anymore evidence of that beyond their support for republicker candidates!!:):)

[Alex Libman]

The funny thing is that I'm totally working on a bio-virus to wipe out all of mankind except a few of my libertarian friends (and attractive young ladies) who'll get the antidote, and the government isn't doing anything to stop me. Unless of course I happen to have some mouthwash in my backpack when boarding a plane... :rolleyes:

[uk_dave]

The funny thing is that I'm totally working on a bio-virus to wipe out all of mankind except a few of my libertarian friends (and attractive young ladies) who'll get the antidote, and the government isn't doing anything to stop me. Unless of course I happen to have some mouthwash in my backpack when boarding a plane... :rolleyes:

Perhaps the government doesn't take you seriously.

Interestingly, your mouthwash would be taken into 'custody' but you would be allowed to continue with your journey.

Oh what a horrid society in which to live.

[Donal]

The funny thing is that I'm totally working on a bio-virus to wipe out all of mankind except a few of my libertarian friends (and attractive young ladies) who'll get the antidote, and the government isn't doing anything to stop me. Unless of course I happen to have some mouthwash in my backpack when boarding a plane... :rolleyes:

Ha. "friends"

And are you sure you want to give attractive women a choice between you and slow agonizing death?

[dudalb]

Ha. "friends"

And are you sure you want to give attractive women a choice between you and slow agonizing death?

Alex is proof that Ayn Rand is hazardous to your mental health.

[Phrost]

This document?

https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/miac-militia-2009.pdf

[MG1962]

I have read the document - It is only about 9 pages. The interesting thing is, whats claimed to be in the document.........simply isnt

[Phrost]

I'm not making an assertion one way or another. I just happened upon the thread having read the document on Wikileaks (which everyone should support financially if their budget allows) the other day.

As I remember it, they do make an assertion that support of non Democrat/Republican parties, and Ron Paul by name, tends to indicate pro-militia sympathy to some degree. The entire document, frankly, is written as if to a freshman level PolSci audience.

[Alareth]

I have read the document - It is only about 9 pages. The interesting thing is, whats claimed to be in the document.........simply isnt


Isn't that usually the case?

[Blender Head]

This document?

https://secure.wikileaks.org/leak/miac-militia-2009.pdf

This link is broken for me.

[Phrost]

Wikileaks is overloaded at the moment from global traffic. Please do what you can to support them. I donated $10 yesterday.

[Checkmite]

As I remember it, they do make an assertion that support of non Democrat/Republican parties, and Ron Paul by name, tends to indicate pro-militia sympathy to some degree. The entire document, frankly, is written as if to a freshman level PolSci audience.

As I understand it the document was written for the law enforcement community, who are all likely criminal justice or psychology majors. They may only have one or two classes of PolSci under their belts.

[The_Animus]

But Hotz said using factors in the report to determine whether someone could be a terrorist is not profiling. He said people who display signs or bumper stickers from third-party groups are not in danger of harassment from police.

I don't think anything is going on here. I would point out that this disclaimer means nothing. It's like holistic medicine stating it's not to cure cancer, but you know they tell people it does or act like it does anyway.

[Foolmewunz]

Oh this again. It's the same old same old with a different wrapper. A couple of years ago, the big brouhaha was that citing the constitution could get you on someone's watch list.

Which is true.

Certain parts of the U.S. Constitution are cited constantly in the literature of anti-taxers. One arm or another of the government put out a pamphlet to its agents adivsing them of this, and of course the right wing gentry got a hold of it and turned it into something not dissimilar to Jaywalking for Truth. "See, it's happening! You can be targeted by the NWO and UN(I believe it was UN troops they were more concerned about) because you cite the U.S. Constitution."

So now they've found something that no doubt says similar things. Yeah it's possible that Ronulans might also be militia sorts. It's just one little item in a profilers' kit of items. It doesn't say anything about hunting them down and shooting them in the alley like rabid dogs.

[Travis]

Funny how important these Ron supporters think they are.

[Alex Libman]

Alex is proof that Ayn Rand is hazardous to your mental health.

I was even more obnoxious when I was a left-wing idiot. :blush:

And, as brilliant as Ayn Rand was, she does not define the entirety of my philosophy, far from it. If I had to pick one intellectual figurehead, Murray Rothbard would be a better fit.


Funny how important these Ron supporters think they are.

Flawed though he is, Ron Paul is the only real opposition that exists in Washington DC, it's like if one non-communist found himself in the Chinese parliament.

[TSR]

I was even more obnoxious when I was a left-wing idiot. :blush:



Is that possible? < d,c & r >

[Tomblvd]

The report was retracted, fwiw:

Missouri Highway Patrol retracts controversial report on militia activity (http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1109096.html)

"JEFFERSON CITY | The Missouri Highway Patrol this week retracted a controversial report on militia activity and will change how such reports are reviewed before being distributed to law enforcement agencies.

The Highway Patrol also will open an investigation into the origin of the report, which linked conservative groups with domestic terrorism and named former presidential candidates Ron Paul, Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin."

****snip****

"......... The report concerned militia movements in Missouri and across the U.S., and described how they had evolved over the last several years.

But it suggested that domestic militias often subscribed to radical ideologies rooted in Christian views and opposition to immigration, abortion or federal taxes. The report also stated that it was “not uncommon” for militia members to support third-party political candidates."

Sounds like a silly report generated by a bored bureaucrat.

[Horatius]

Sounds like a silly report generated by a bored bureaucrat.



...that was so boring, no one else wanted to read it before sending it out.

[Checkmite]

But it suggested that domestic militias often subscribed to radical ideologies rooted in Christian views and opposition to immigration, abortion or federal taxes. The report also stated that it was “not uncommon” for militia members to support third-party political candidates."

Sounds like a silly report generated by a bored bureaucrat.

To me, it sounds like a pretty down to earth report that could've been written by anyone who visited and read the militia groups' very own websites.

Militia groups make no bones about describing themselves as God-fearing tax protesters and they proudly and vocally support Ron Paul. Yet when an official police report simply repeats these descriptions, suddenly they've become pejorative? That makes no sense.

[Phrost]

You honestly think it's fair to lump everyone who supports Ron Paul in with militia nutjobs?

Reverend Wright supported Obama, so does that mean all of Obama's supporters are race-baiters preaching about the damnation of America?

[dudalb]

The point is Ron Paul makes no effort to distance himself from the wackjobs.
And it's over, baby. Ron Paul had his moment of fame, and now it's over.

[Phrost]

You're right there, he would have been a bit more credible if he'd have tried to downplay the Alex Jones' segment of his supporters, or outright disowned them.

Then again, the only person who I saw take specific action to distance themselves from the extremists in their supporting party was McCain when he stood up for Obama not being a secret muslim terrorist or whatever at a rally.