CIT Presents Their Exhaustive Witness List - Yep, Still No Flyover Witness

[BCR]

I decided to drop by the CIT home to see if they have made any progress yet. Aldo has just presented an exhaustive eyewitness list by categories of observations. Even in their list, one major omission...no fly-over witness category.

CIT Eyewitness List (http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=82)

Oh my, how could this have happened?

I know, this is an old thread, but CIT has done some recent updates grasping for straws like nothing I have ever seen and still not one fly-over witness even though they confirmed some very good POV's (like the Khavkin residence (http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=82&view=findpost&p=2044349)). From the balconey, they had a perfect veiw of the "fly-over". Great work CIT!

Oh my, looks like CIT has blocked my IP address since I posted this, so the links don't work for me now. That's okay though, I'm creating pdf's of the pages and I'll link to those later on.

[beachnut]

Great work CIT!
They post people who saw 77 impact the Pentagon. Why do they refute themselves?

[BCR]

I'll post the pictures they are using shortly. If ANYONE would have seen a fly-over, well they just presented a solid case. Problem is, the witness did NOT see a flyover and was too far away to be suckered by the "magical illusion".

[BCR]

The eyewitness that CIT presented (http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=82&view=findpost&p=2044349) photographic evidence for was DS Khavkin. To start, what did Khavkin state they observed (http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/evidence/witnesses/sgydk.html)?

We live in Arlington, VA just outside of Washington, DC in a high-rise building on the eight floor. Our balcony faces the city, with a panoramic view of the Pentagon, National Airport, and the entire downtown area of Washington, DC. We were watching the events unfolding on TV in New York. Then, at about 9:40 am Eastern Daylight Time, my husband and I heard an aircraft directly overhead. At first, we thought it was the jets that sometimes fly overhead. However, it appeared to be a small commercial aircraft. The engine was at full throttle.

First, the plane knocked down a number of street lamp poles, then headed directly for the Pentagon and crashed on the lawn near the west side the Pentagon. A huge fireball exploded with thick black smoke."

According to CIT's on-the-scene investigator, this is an aerial shot of Khavkin's POV.

http://aal77.com/jref/2001colpikeoverheadlongL2.gif

I can confirm from my trips to the area that this is indeed the building, located at Columbia Pike and South Courthouse Road. The flight path near this building has also been confirmed by the police dispatch audio (http://aal77.com/arlington_county/911_police_dispatch_tape.mp3) recorded at the time of the event.

Here are six other images taken from the balcony POV presented by the cracker jack CIT investigator.

http://aal77.com/jref/dsk1.jpg
http://aal77.com/jref/dsk2.jpg
http://aal77.com/jref/dsk3.jpg
http://aal77.com/jref/dsk4.jpg
http://aal77.com/jref/dsk5.jpg
http://aal77.com/jref/dsk6.jpg

Conclusion: The Khavkin's could not have seen the plane hit the poles or Pentagon.

Obviously I do not agree with this conclusion, but I think what is more important is what they could see. If the plane had flown past, to the right, or to the left, the Khavkin's would have seen it...period! CIT once again proves the "official story" correct.

[dtugg]

I see they are still lying about Roosevelt Roberts being a flyover witness.

Could they possibly be any more pathetic?

Hi Craig! When can we expect to see your next sockpuppet?

[BCR]

I see they are still lying about Roosevelt Roberts being a flyover witness.

Could they possibly be any more pathetic?

Hi Craig! When can we expect to see your next sockpuppet?

But notice, from this POV represented here, a perfect view of what Roberts would have seen. Could it be that Roberts saw AAL77?

[16.5]

I see the fraudulent mutts mention Frank Probst for the first time in a couple of years after I brought him up. They talked to him, hell they say: "Frank Probst (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)"

So Frank Probst CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT:

American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.

"He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze.

"I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'."

He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.

The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart.

CONTACTED
INTERVIEWED
CONFIRMED

Somebody stick a fork in those mutts, they are farking done. Everything that CIT has said about no SOC witnesses is a lie.

CONTACTED
INTERVIEWED
CONFIRMED

CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT

[BCR]

Like I said, CIT is doing a fine job :Dancing_biggrin:

[16.5]

Like I said, CIT is doing a fine job :Dancing_biggrin:

CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT

what a bunch of jokers these clowns are

CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT

Confirmed SoC confirmed light pole impact confirmed pentagon impact

Thanks guys!

[JoeyDonuts]

Where's TheLoneBedouin? Anyone?

Oh wait. That's right.

[16.5]

From: "Lagasse, William, , PFPA"
To: "'apfn@apfn.org '"


Dear Sir rest assured it was a Boeing 757 that flew into the building that
day, I was on duty as a pentagon police sgt. I was refueling my vehicle at
the barraks k gas station that day adjacent to the aircrafts flight path.
It was close enough that i could see the windows had the shades pulled down,
it struck several light poles next to rt 27 and struck a trailer used to
store construction equipment for the renovation of the pentagon that was to
the right of the fueselage impact point. The fact that you are insinuating
that this was staged and a fraud is unbelievable. You ask were the debris
is...well it was in the building..I saw it everywhere. I swear to god you
people piss me off to no end. I invite you and you come down and I will walk
you through it step by step. I have more than a few hours in general
aviation aircraft and can identify commercial airliners. Have you ever seen
photos of other aircraft accident photos...there usually isnt huge amounts
of debris left...how much did you see from the WTC?...are those fake
aircraft flying into the building. I know that this will make no diffrence
to you because to even have a websight like this you are obviously a
diffrent sort of thinker.

Naturally Bill is right.

CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT

[Thunder]

I like these guys:

Claims they "Saw" impact of "plane"/large airliner-were in a position to possibly confirm one:
1. Deb Anlauf (CONTACTED by CIT, would not return call)
2. Donald Bouchoux (military consultant. CONTACTED by CIT, would not return call)
3. Mike Walter (had dinner with CIT)
4. Sean Boger (CONFIRMED the north side, impact deduced we believe)
5. Pam Bradley (unconfirmed account/witness)
6. Hugh "Tim" Timmerman (Dawn Vignola's roomate, unavailable for comment)
7. James R. Cissell
8. Daryl Donley
9. Bobby Eberle (came forward well after the event, Jeff Gannon's boss)
10. Penny Elgas
11. Mary Ann Owens
12. Scott Perry
13. Frank Probst (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED)
Noel Sepulveda, Navy Master Sgt.
14. G. T. Stanley (unconfirmed name/witness)
15. Steve Storti
16. Carla Thompson (unconfirmed name/witness)
17. Dave Winslow, AP Radio reporter (CONTACTED by CIT, did not return call)
18. Terrance Kean (Unreachable)
19. Dave Marra (dubious, questionable witness-claims plane cartwheeled into 20. building)
20. Mark Petitt (VERY dubious account)
21. Aziz El Hallou (Debunked lying witness, proven to be at Navy Annex)
22. Robert A Leonard(driving northbound in the HOV lanes on I-395; Pentagon is on the left. The plane vanished, absorbed by the building, and there was a slight pause. Then a huge fireball rose into the sky.")
23. Mitch Mitchell, Ret. Army Col., CBS news correspondent (account is problematic)
24. Mike Dobbs (according to writer, not confirmed, not his own words)
25. Joe Harrington (seems like it made impact before Wedge-in South Parking lot)
26. Rick Renzi (corrupt congressman, listed as law student, has plane "dive bombing", very peculiar account)

"Saw" a plane & impact from far away, but DID NOT see a second plane/jet shadowing/chasing and veering away as the impact happened:
27. Steve Anderson, USA Today Editor (saw impact from USA Today building)
Don Wright (a commuter plane, two-engined )
Don Chauncey (small commuter plane)
Steve Gerard (saw small corporate jet with no markings) (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)
28. Lesley Kelly, Cmdr. U.S. Navy (Ret.) (near impossible to see the plane approach from DC)
29. James Robbins (a national-security analyst & NRO contributor for National Review, William F Buckley (CIA) publication saw silver flash, "diving in an unrecoverable angle")
Ken Ford (prop plane flying up river from National)
30.Christopher Munsey, Navy Times reporter


"saw" impact of plane? does that mean they are paid by the NWO to say as such?

:D

The actually found for us witnesses that saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Wonderful!!!

They have done our work for us!! Thanks CTists!!

[BCR]

I see the fraudulent mutts mention Frank Probst for the first time in a couple of years after I brought him up. They talked to him, hell they say: "Frank Probst (CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT)"

So Frank Probst CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT:

American Airlines Flight 77 approached from the west, coming in low over the nearby five-story Navy Annex on a hill overlooking the Pentagon.

"He has lights off, wheels up, nose down," Probst recalled. The plane seemed to be accelerating directly toward him. He froze.

"I knew I was dead," he said later. "The only thing I thought was, 'Damn, my wife has to go to another funeral, and I'm not going to see my two boys again.'."

He dove to his right. He recalls the engine passing on one side of him, about six feet away.

The plane's right wing went through a generator trailer "like butter," Probst said. The starboard engine hit a low cement wall and blew apart.

CONTACTED
INTERVIEWED
CONFIRMED

Somebody stick a fork in those mutts, they are farking done. Everything that CIT has said about no SOC witnesses is a lie.

CONTACTED
INTERVIEWED
CONFIRMED

CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT

Of course CIT responds to this by saying...

For the record....not everyone we spoke with was recorded and agreed to an interview.

Frank Probst being one.

Although we talked to him over the phone he did not agree to an interview and was very vague and defensive.

Of course we know why since his account is proven false by all the independent witnesses who were not used as part of the propaganda like Probst was who was even featured in the ASCE report.

Whoops...Probst went under da bus.

[16.5]

Of course CIT responds to this by saying...

Whoops...Probst went under da bus.

Gee I wonder if there is enough room under that bus what with the cab driver, the Priest, Probst's co-worker, Morin, Boger, etc etc etc

What a bunch of frauds. That is CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by everyone who has read their garbage.

Probst: SOC IMPACT CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT

[Jackanory]

Has anybody told Roundhead?

[T.A.M.]

Has anybody told Roundhead?

good idea. He has been around as of late, and might be a good ball of yarn for the boys here.

TAM;)

[bob the analyst]

That was a lot of work, well done sir.

[BCR]

Gee I wonder if there is enough room under that bus what with the cab driver, the Priest, Probst's co-worker, Morin, Boger, etc etc etc

What a bunch of frauds. That is CONTACTED/CONFIRMED by everyone who has read their garbage.

Probst: SOC IMPACT CONTACTED/CONFIRMED/INTERVIEWED by CIT

It is a big bus...

[Bobert]

....and it seems they need quite frequently.
I wonder who will be next?

[16.5]

....and it seems they need quite frequently.
I wonder who will be next?

Probably Dylan Avery, et al. The persistently incompetent internet fraudsters have been busy throwing the Loose Change boys under the Bus too. Aldo has been calling them out on their web site, and the fraudsters have completely hijacked the Loose Change Board. Too bad the mods over there don’t have the testicular fortitude to clamp down on bafflingly profane buttertub Aldo.

Anyway, what have we learned? That CIT has interviewed SoC witnesses, has confirmed their testimony and falsely represent that there are no such witnesses.

Stick a fork in these mutts, they are done.

[BCR]

Well, I for one think they should be commended for all of their hard work. They have done a magnificant job tracking down all of these eyewitnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon. They have documented all of these POV's so that we all can understand that if a plane flew over the Pentagon, these eyewitnesses would have seen it. Best of all, they have proved that no one saw a plane fly over the Pentagon.

This is wonderful work and they should be held in high esteem, and not ridiculed for the size of their bus.

[Klimax]

Well, I for one think they should be commended for all of their hard work. They have done a magnificant job tracking down all of these eyewitnesses who saw the plane hit the Pentagon. They have documented all of these POV's so that we all can understand that if a plane flew over the Pentagon, these eyewitnesses would have seen it. Best of all, they have proved that no one saw a plane fly over the Pentagon.

This is wonderful work and they should be held in high esteem, and not ridiculed for the size of their bus.

For one thing,I don't think we(they) are dealing with bus anymore.

[16.5]

This is wonderful work and they should be held in high esteem, and not ridiculed for the size of their bus.

That is my fault, it is just that the size of Aldo's bus has grown so considerably since they have been misrepresenting what happened at the pentagon.

[A W Smith]

that witness list thread over there is five months old.

[BCR]

Yes it is, just goes to show ya how often I drop by their house. But notice they appreciated the visit by blocking my IP and writing a clarification post regarding Probst :bs:

[Bobert]

Wait a minute!
The CIT CULT STILL doesnt have a flyover witness?
I am shocked!
:big:

[Pinch]

Too bad the mods over there don’t have the testicular fortitude to clamp down on bafflingly profane buttertub Aldo.


You spotlight that JFK idiot when you speak of LC mod's not having testicular fortitude. Not to mention an absence of backbone. Man of Rubber.

[beachnut]

You spotlight that JFK idiot when you speak of LC mod's not having testicular fortitude. Not to mention an absence of backbone. Man of Rubber.

JFK loves you, they made a whole thread about how dumb their ideas are based on your web site. They advertise their ignorance on 911 issues and Balsamo brags how you give him publicity? But does he need publicity for his offer of no theories and delusions.

[AJM8125]

This is wonderful work and they should be held in high esteem, and not ridiculed for the size of their bus.

That is my fault, it is just that the size of Aldo's bus has grown so considerably since they have been misrepresenting what happened at the pentagon.

That's what I like about this forum. A day hardly goes by that I don't learn something. Here all this time I thought Craig and Aldo have been riding the short bus.

[Bobert]

http://www.cornify.com/cornified/image_1237606448375.jpg

[jhunter1163]

That's what I like about this forum. A day hardly goes by that I don't learn something. Here all this time I thought Craig and Aldo have been riding the short bus.

Well, they were, but it's hard to get all those witnesses under a short bus.

[Bananaman]

Just out of curiosity, do Craig and Aldo live together? I'm no homophobe, jees, I've kissed my boss and she's practically a man, but seriously; (how do semi-colons work?) I do have the impression that the truther underground lives in a a cave involved in slightly worrying although mutually beneficial relationships.

Can anyone tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree here or am I on to something?

Bananaman.

[Mr.Herbert]

JFK loves you, they made a whole thread about how dumb their ideas are based on your web site. They advertise their ignorance on 911 issues and Balsamo brags how you give him publicity? But does he need publicity for his offer of no theories and delusions.



Holy smokes... They made a thread about me back in January!!!! CIT LOVES ME!!!! Why didn't anyone tell me?

Oh... and they may sue me for Libel! WOOOOOT!

Where's Mr Herbert the Pervert?, obsessing with Blobert the slobert
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=507

[16.5]

Just out of curiosity, do Craig and Aldo live together? I'm no homophobe, jees, I've kissed my boss and she's practically a man, but seriously; (how do semi-colons work?) I do have the impression that the truther underground lives in a a cave involved in slightly worrying although mutually beneficial relationships.

Can anyone tell me if I'm barking up the wrong tree here or am I on to something?

Bananaman.

"tree." That is the key: the CIT maintains a tree fort in which they store their super secret complete interview tapes of every witness they have ever interviewed, including the SoC, pole impact witnesses that the heroes have concluded are responsible for mass murder. Also there is a small shredder for the "out takes" of their NoC witnesses, wink wink.

Alfalfa, Porky and sometimes Dom, Dom, Dom of the CIT-ee-EE have keys. They let SPreston in once in a while to hang pictures on the wall, JFK and Lin whatever and the rest of the Loose Change mods have applied for membership and are in charge of protecting the boys from "dubunkers."

It is believed that the PFFT underground lair and elite carry on luggage defense academy is located in troll like cavern under the tree, but research has revealed that Pfft runs their operation out of a motorcycle repair facility located in Canada, of all places.

[bje]

I decided to drop by the CIT home to see if they have made any progress yet. Aldo has just presented an exhaustive eyewitness list by categories of observations. Even in their list, one major omission...no fly-over witness category.

Sigh...

This just in: Franco is still dead.

[Bobert]

Holy smokes... They made a thread about me back in January!!!! CIT LOVES ME!!!! Why didn't anyone tell me?

Oh... and they may sue me for Libel! WOOOOOT!

Where's Mr Herbert the Pervert?, obsessing with Blobert the slobert
http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=507
HAHAHAHAHA
Most people shouldn't post while drunk but in Aldo's case its don't post after attacking the all you can eat buffet.

[16.5]

HAHAHAHAHA
Most people shouldn't post while drunk but in Aldo's case its don't post after attacking the all you can eat buffet.

Hee hee, I notice that rather than posting a factual refutation of Probst's testimony, Aldo has pulled out his "16.5's mom" sock, and started making fun of our families.

Heck of team you've put together Craig-o!

[1337m4n]

I am so sorry for my son's behavior. He is just very angry and frustrated. Plus the child abuse and neglect didn't help.

What in the hell...?

[16.5]

What in the hell...?

That's Aldo's pathetic sock. I love it! The clown is completely self-debunking! Remember, he is a "serious researcher" who just happens to go into a spittle soaked rage anytime anyone dares question his religion of the North of Citgo path.

Just get him wound up, and off he goes. And he wonders why the rest of the truth movement thinks that CIT and Aldo in particular are a joke.

Anyone Aldo, do me a favor, share with us what South of Citgo witness Probst said when you "INTERVIEWED AND CONFIRMED" his story. And don't give us any BS about how he didn't let you record him, that has never stopped you before.

[BCR]

And don't give us any BS about how he didn't let you record him, that has never stopped you before.

Amen

[bje]

CIT is the modern-day equivalent of a Victorian freak show:


http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t65/bjebje/Royal-American-Midgets-lg.jpg

[Trojan]

I see they are still lying about Roosevelt Roberts being a flyover witness.


What exactly to twoofers think they have with Roberts? Another plane in the area?

[Bobert]

What in the hell...?
Aldo has a history of attempting to poke fun at people.
The interesting thing is that Aldo gets fixated on insulting women.
He created, "16.5's mom" and Craig showed him a pic of myself and my wife and Aldo then insulted my wife.
It came as no big surprise when he revealed to that OC Weekly reporter that he and is girlfriend are not together and he only sees his daughter like every other weekend.
The guy is a complete mess so much so that Craig had to get him a friggin job.
I bet Craig wasn't all that pleased that Aldo's resume was written with one of those big fat crayons.

[Pi_314]

You have to hand it to them, as the entertainment factor keeps on chuggin. :)

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_2678549c9e25742581.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=15785)

[BCR]

As anyone noticed that Mr. England was nice enough to even give them the dome from his taxi even when the creeps are calling him a government stooge and liar? Craig sure seems very proud of that taxi dome.

[twinstead]

As anyone noticed that Mr. England was nice enough to even give them the dome from his taxi even when the creeps are calling him a government stooge and liar? Craig sure seems very proud of that taxi dome.

Do you know if he's even aware how he's been thrown under the bus?

[bob the analyst]

Well, it seems to be all coffee club and croissant chatter in this topic zone, have a pleasant day, girls, chat away!

[16.5]

Do you know if he's even aware how he's been thrown under the bus?

Well, now he was never on the bus in the first place. Aldo and Craig started running down all inconvenient “perps” with the “hand wave away” bus long ago: first old Lloyde, and then the priest, then all the other witnesses on the highway (strangely enough, they have not really gotten around to Probst and a few others, other than to call them government workers and thus automatically suspect)

CIT is force to throw their various passengers under the bus when their stories are not compatible, for example when Boger says the bank is to shallow, Morin when he says the plane ran parallel to the outer edge of the FOB, Paik when he says the plane right down Columbia, all of them when they say the plane hit the Pentagon and when Roberts claims that the plane banked right over the South parking lot and flew right over the heads of all their witnesses, etc etc...

[16.5]

Well, it seems to be all coffee club and croissant chatter in this topic zone, have a pleasant day, girls, chat away!

Well thank you! Say, do YOU have a Flyover Witness? Thaks a bunch, sweetie!

[Pi_314]

Seems one of the irreconcilables (Aldo) got a week suspension at the Loose Change Forums, for calling people names. He's loosing it knowing what he knows about the evil empire, and nobody is listening.
Oh the humanity!!!

Here are some of his quotes.


1.Who the **** says? Some slimy little skeptic?

2.We did ya dummy. And they were FOOLED, stop using the word "wrong".

3.how do you even go on day to day living your pathetic cowardly life?

4.Why do I need to give it to you bitch? You got fingers, you got a brain(at least half of one) and a mouth

5.you *********** time wasting goof

6.Nope, stupid. Don't you get it yet?

7.Again, you POS, NO ONE saw the C-130 on the alleged RADES path nor did they see it shadowing at anytime.

8.Umm, let me repeat it stupid, he can't see the gas station or the approaching flight path therefore he is not a SoC witness. You can't half ass it and claim he is an SoC.

9.What the **** are you doing punk? Besides being an accomplice to the cover-up of mass murder?

10.Why? Because you are a bitch coward like the rest of your ilk.

11.Aww Crap-Guy sounds like he is getting frustrated.

12.You should be kicked in the *********** head you know that?

13.Because earlier, you man-bitches, tried to state that if he is "wrong" about the impact then he is not a reliable witness. You demons and your circular logic, your con men doublethink.

14.Oh because you are a POS and you are trying to put a slant on Lagasse's credibility as a witness. Gotcha

15.Stupid, the drawing showed how the pole entered the cab according to him. Then later in the interview, he states twice that the pole was laying on his hood. Keep watching Columbo.

16.of course you don't, because you are a cowardly Investigoogler. You are no different than the conspiracy theorists you've been making fun of all these years.

[1337m4n]

Seems one of the irreconcilables (Aldo) got a week suspension at the Loose Change Forums, for calling people names.

That seems odd. The only people they ever suspend for name-calling are people who don't agree with their conspiracy theories.

[BCR]

Seems one of the irreconcilables (Aldo) got a week suspension at the Loose Change Forums, for calling people names. He's loosing it knowing what he knows about the evil empire, and nobody is listening.
Oh the humanity!!!

Here are some of his quotes.


1.Who the **** says? Some slimy little skeptic?

2.We did ya dummy. And they were FOOLED, stop using the word "wrong".

3.how do you even go on day to day living your pathetic cowardly life?

4.Why do I need to give it to you bitch? You got fingers, you got a brain(at least half of one) and a mouth

5.you *********** time wasting goof

6.Nope, stupid. Don't you get it yet?

7.Again, you POS, NO ONE saw the C-130 on the alleged RADES path nor did they see it shadowing at anytime.

8.Umm, let me repeat it stupid, he can't see the gas station or the approaching flight path therefore he is not a SoC witness. You can't half ass it and claim he is an SoC.

9.What the **** are you doing punk? Besides being an accomplice to the cover-up of mass murder?

10.Why? Because you are a bitch coward like the rest of your ilk.

11.Aww Crap-Guy sounds like he is getting frustrated.

12.You should be kicked in the *********** head you know that?

13.Because earlier, you man-bitches, tried to state that if he is "wrong" about the impact then he is not a reliable witness. You demons and your circular logic, your con men doublethink.

14.Oh because you are a POS and you are trying to put a slant on Lagasse's credibility as a witness. Gotcha

15.Stupid, the drawing showed how the pole entered the cab according to him. Then later in the interview, he states twice that the pole was laying on his hood. Keep watching Columbo.

16.of course you don't, because you are a cowardly Investigoogler. You are no different than the conspiracy theorists you've been making fun of all these years.

Nice to know my investigoogler moniker is catching on :)

[A W Smith]

Seems one of the irreconcilables (Aldo) got a week suspension at the Loose Change Forums, for calling people names. He's loosing it knowing what he knows about the evil empire, and nobody is listening.
Oh the humanity!!!

Here are some of his quotes.


1.Who the **** says? Some slimy little skeptic?

2.We did ya dummy. And they were FOOLED, stop using the word "wrong".

3.how do you even go on day to day living your pathetic cowardly life?

4.Why do I need to give it to you bitch? You got fingers, you got a brain(at least half of one) and a mouth

5.you *********** time wasting goof

6.Nope, stupid. Don't you get it yet?

7.Again, you POS, NO ONE saw the C-130 on the alleged RADES path nor did they see it shadowing at anytime.

8.Umm, let me repeat it stupid, he can't see the gas station or the approaching flight path therefore he is not a SoC witness. You can't half ass it and claim he is an SoC.

9.What the **** are you doing punk? Besides being an accomplice to the cover-up of mass murder?

10.Why? Because you are a bitch coward like the rest of your ilk.

11.Aww Crap-Guy sounds like he is getting frustrated.

12.You should be kicked in the *********** head you know that?

13.Because earlier, you man-bitches, tried to state that if he is "wrong" about the impact then he is not a reliable witness. You demons and your circular logic, your con men doublethink.

14.Oh because you are a POS and you are trying to put a slant on Lagasse's credibility as a witness. Gotcha

15.Stupid, the drawing showed how the pole entered the cab according to him. Then later in the interview, he states twice that the pole was laying on his hood. Keep watching Columbo.

16.of course you don't, because you are a cowardly Investigoogler. You are no different than the conspiracy theorists you've been making fun of all these years.
And THATS what Aldo told the witnesses off camera :jaw-dropp

[16.5]

That seems odd. The only people they ever suspend for name-calling are people who don't agree with their conspiracy theories.

Well actually you can be banned for even calling CIT's stupid theory a theory.

Funny thing is the nitwits at Loose Change don't seem to realize that the only people that CIT hates more than "debunkers" are the Loose Change guys themselves.

[Bobert]

Well, it seems to be all coffee club and croissant chatter in this topic zone, have a pleasant day, girls, chat away!
Wow I think I was like 16 the last time I used the phrase, "have a pleasant day, girls" as an insult.
Do you party with rock stars professor?

[Bobert]

Interesting.
From that LC thread in question.
~Sgt William Lagasse after watching The PentaCon and responding to the ASCE (and ultimately Pseudoskeptics)

When did Sgt Lagasse ever acknowledge watching the CIT CULT movie?
Is Aldo now doing more embellishing?

[Bobert]

Its cute how when Aldo gets upset his ghetto roots just spring forth.
u be right SP. F em.

[1337m4n]

When did Sgt Lagasse ever acknowledge watching the CIT CULT movie?


Well, I do remember him expressing his personal loathing for CIT and their cult theory.

[Pi_314]

Its cute how when Aldo gets upset his ghetto roots just spring forth.

Well it looks as though Aldo is coming back using craigs username, since he lost his for a week. Check this latest post as he digs in the foxhole.:D


I provide independent verifiable evidence for my claims.

You lie and have refused to provide a shred of evidence for anything.

That is the difference between us.

I am a true skeptic and you are a true boot-licker.

I am a warrior and you are a coward.

I am a patriot and you are a traitor.

I am a concerned citizen and you are war-crime-apologist.

Let that sit like a knot in your wretched stomach because you have NOTHING to offer this discussion.

Go back to pseudo-skeptic training school and learn how to back up what you say with evidence because you are looking mighty pathetic trying to argue your point with nothing but blind faith in what you were told.


entertainment! pure entertainment!

[T.A.M.]

Seems one of the irreconcilables (Aldo) got a week suspension at the Loose Change Forums, for calling people names. He's loosing it knowing what he knows about the evil empire, and nobody is listening.
Oh the humanity!!!

Here are some of his quotes.


1.Who the **** says? Some slimy little skeptic?

2.We did ya dummy. And they were FOOLED, stop using the word "wrong".

3.how do you even go on day to day living your pathetic cowardly life?

4.Why do I need to give it to you bitch? You got fingers, you got a brain(at least half of one) and a mouth

5.you *********** time wasting goof

6.Nope, stupid. Don't you get it yet?

7.Again, you POS, NO ONE saw the C-130 on the alleged RADES path nor did they see it shadowing at anytime.

8.Umm, let me repeat it stupid, he can't see the gas station or the approaching flight path therefore he is not a SoC witness. You can't half ass it and claim he is an SoC.

9.What the **** are you doing punk? Besides being an accomplice to the cover-up of mass murder?

10.Why? Because you are a bitch coward like the rest of your ilk.

11.Aww Crap-Guy sounds like he is getting frustrated.

12.You should be kicked in the *********** head you know that?

13.Because earlier, you man-bitches, tried to state that if he is "wrong" about the impact then he is not a reliable witness. You demons and your circular logic, your con men doublethink.

14.Oh because you are a POS and you are trying to put a slant on Lagasse's credibility as a witness. Gotcha

15.Stupid, the drawing showed how the pole entered the cab according to him. Then later in the interview, he states twice that the pole was laying on his hood. Keep watching Columbo.

16.of course you don't, because you are a cowardly Investigoogler. You are no different than the conspiracy theorists you've been making fun of all these years.

he is the perfect example of the "angry young man" if not in age, then in spirit.

thanks for the laugh.

TAM:)

[DGM]

Seems one of the irreconcilables (Aldo) got a week suspension at the Loose Change Forums, for calling people names.

That's funny! I got BANNED for asking Dom if the tail was part of the airplane. I think I was getting too close with Mr Moran's interview.

[nicepants]

Seems one of the irreconcilables (Aldo) got a week suspension at the Loose Change Forums,

Not that it'll bother him. As PI points out he'll just use Craig's account until he is reinstated.

Looks like they've been on a banning spree over there. I've seen 3 this week so far. One banned for calling Noc a "theory", another for calling someone a "conspiracist" and another who was basically a suicide-by-mod ranting.

That whole forum is a joke.

I clicked over last night and saw a post by JFK, threatening one of the skeptics, saying he was going to call the poster's boss and get him/her fired for posting during business hours, etc. I'd post a link or a screencap but it's gone now.

That's funny! I got BANNED for asking Dom if the tail was part of the airplane. I think I was getting too close with Mr Moran's interview.

Come, now....you KNOW it's against the rules to ask questions that CITers don't like to answer!

[Bobert]

The CIT CULT members are all in a flutter because Craig Ranke announced that CIT CULT is featured in another newspaper!!!!!!!!!!
:big:
LA times, NY times, Washington Post?
Well not exactly.
So heres the deal.
The OC Weekly has a circulation of close to 80k.
You may remember that the Craig Ranke and the CIT CULT got their asses HANDED TO THEM by the reporter Nick Shou.
So What does Craig Ranke do?
Well he decides its a good idea to get his story out in a truther rag with a circulation of 18k and Craig Ranke tries to pass this off as if its a MSM.
Craig Ranke people will see through your BS.
http://www.rockcreekfreepress.com/CreekV3No4-Web.pdf
The Headline should tell you exactly the kind of, "paper" Craig Ranke got into
Concentration Camps in America
I see the NWO will be sleeping good tonight thanks to Craig Ranke and the CIT CULT.
:dl:

[HeyLeroy]

(how do semi-colons work?)

Tasteless joke warning:
What did these have in common?
http://cdn.vidilife.com/image/2006/10/10/946639/1596484L.jpghttp://cdn.vidilife.com/image/2006/10/10/946639/1596489L.jpg
A semi-colon and no memory.

[applecorped]

Tasteless joke warning:
What did these have in common?
http://cdn.vidilife.com/image/2006/10/10/946639/1596484L.jpghttp://cdn.vidilife.com/image/2006/10/10/946639/1596489L.jpg
A semi-colon and no memory.

Both dead?

[DGM]

The CIT CULT members are all in a flutter because Craig Ranke announced that CIT CULT is featured in another newspaper!!!!!!!!!!
:big:
LA times, NY times, Washington Post?
Well not exactly.
So heres the deal.
The OC Weekly has a circulation of close to 80k.
You may remember that the Craig Ranke and the CIT CULT got their asses HANDED TO THEM by the reporter Nick Shou.
So What does Craig Ranke do?
Well he decides its a good idea to get his story out in a truther rag with a circulation of 18k and Craig Ranke tries to pass this off as if its a MSM.
Craig Ranke people will see through your BS.
http://www.rockcreekfreepress.com/CreekV3No4-Web.pdf
The Headline should tell you exactly the kind of, "paper" Craig Ranke got into

I see the NWO will be sleeping good tonight thanks to Craig Ranke and the CIT CULT.
:dl:
This is just getting sadder by the minute. I almost fell dirty laughing at them.

[Mr.Herbert]

RockCreek? Didn't Laura & Albert Ingals start this paper for Miss Beetle? I believe it is still sold at Olsen's Mercantile for 1 cent.

[Bobert]

RockCreek? Didn't Laura & Albert Ingals start this paper for Miss Beetle? I believe it is still sold at Olsen's Mercantile for 1 cent.
There is something in their CULT brains that prevent them from saying to themselves
"People will laugh at me if I post this".

[Alt+F4]

entertainment! pure entertainment!

I know! I think he stole some of those lines from "Spartacus".

[nicepants]

So What does Craig Ranke do?
Well he decides its a good idea to get his story out in a truther rag with a circulation of 18k and Craig Ranke tries to pass this off as if its a MSM.
Craig Ranke people will see through your BS.
http://www.rockcreekfreepress.com/CreekV3No4-Web.pdf

This is very much like Steven Jones, et al, who "publish" their work in a truther "journal" just so they can come back & say "it's peer-reviewed".

I guess this is a step away from that, since they didn't create their own newspaper....but they might as well have. They only did this because it's the only "news" paper that would publish their rubbish in anything other than the comedy section, and so that they could claim that they're trying to get the word out when accused of not doing anything with their "smoking gun" evidence.

Going to that website I see the headline: "Cheney Directed Assasination Ring". Well, if that doesn't scream "credible" then I don't know what does.

Edit before posting: I'm reading the "paper" now.....how did they find out about our camps? We must have a leak. Going to NWO alert level Tope.....just as soon as I finish this cheeseburger.

Edit: The article says that they had each witness draw a line on an overhead map....funny...I don't recall seeing a line drawn by Terry Morrin, who stated that the plane was "parallel with the outer edge of the FOB".

[twinstead]

I'm just glad I finally got to see an alert level Tope! It was getting pretty boring here high up in NWO towers.

[beachnut]

http://www.rockcreekfreepress.com/CreekV3No4-Web.pdf
Who is dumber? CIT or p4t who use CIT as their research arm. ?









Both, it is a recursive thing

[Pinch]

So What does Craig Ranke do?
Well he decides its a good idea to get his story out in a truther rag with a circulation of 18k and Craig Ranke tries to pass this off as if its a MSM.
Craig Ranke people will see through your BS.
http://www.rockcreekfreepress.com/CreekV3No4-Web.pdf
The Headline should tell you exactly the kind of, "paper" Craig Ranke got into

I see the NWO will be sleeping good tonight thanks to Craig Ranke and the CIT CULT.
:dl:

Yay! I get to see these morons in person!

Ranke and Marquis will be returning to the
DC area to present a four hour conference in
tandem with Pilots for 9/11 Truth. The free
conference will be held at the National Rural
Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
conference center in Arlington, Virginia from
12:30 pm to 5 pm on Saturday, July 11.

Anyone want to join me 11 July?

The National Rural Electric Cooperative Association isn't exactly the National Press Club, but I guess when your headquarters is a tree fort and the only publication that will carry your BS is a so-far-left-that-its-really-nothing-but-parody rag, you have to get space where you can.

[bje]

This is very much like Steven Jones, et al, who "publish" their work in a truther "journal" just so they can come back & say "it's peer-reviewed".

Speaking of Steven Jones, expect a Truther Orgy and Rehabilitation effort:

Neutron tracks revive hopes for cold fusion



15:33 23 March 2009 by Colin Barras (http://www.newscientist.com/search?rbauthors=Colin+Barras)


http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn16820-neutron-tracks-revive-hopes-for-cold-fusion.html

[bonavada]

I wrote a politely probing e-mail to Sheila Casey who penned the Rock Creek FP article. I just wanted to put her straight on a few fundamental flaws in the CIT story.

She has a blog HERE (http://www.sheilacasey.com/). A quick perusal doesn't give me any hope that anything anyone says will sink in though.

BV

[nicepants]

Ranke and Marquis will be returning to the
DC area to present a four hour conference in
tandem with Pilots for 9/11 Truth. The free
conference will be held at the National Rural
Electric Cooperative Association (NRECA)
conference center in Arlington, Virginia from
12:30 pm to 5 pm on Saturday, July 11.

Perhaps you could get the cab driver or one of their other eyewitnesses to join you. I bet they would be quite interested to see how these guys are "interpreting" what they've said. (Especially Lloyd the cab driver, since they claim he admitted to being involved) Boy, that would be funny...Ranquismo arguing with an eyewitness about what they did or didn't see....I wonder if Aldo would bust out the personal attacks.

[bje]

...oh, and the NWO stole Steven Jones's cold fusion research..

[bill smith]

Have a look at this link and use F11 to toggle fullscreen on/off. It really gives the idea doesn't it. Is that RR airport I can see just over there ?

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

[nicepants]

Have a look at this link and use F11 to toggle fullscreen on/off. It really gives the idea doesn't it. Is that RR airport I can see just over there ?

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

Yup...that plane's definitely way too high for anyone to mistake it for hitting the pentagon.

Edit: Yes that is Reagan National Airport

[dtugg]

LOL! Do you believe in the stupidest hypothesis ever, AKA the Pentagon flyover, bill? How cute!

[bill smith]

LOL! Do you believe in the stupidest hypothesis ever, AKA the Pentagon flyover, bill? How cute!

I used to be very interested in the Pentagon but I grew wary of it after a time . It has something of the honeypot about it I find. Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.

[nicepants]

Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.

Actually the most likely explanation would be that they removed it sometime between 9/11/2001 and now.

[dtugg]

I used to be very interested in the Pentagon but I grew wary of it after a time . It has something of the honeypot about it I find. Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.

Hey maybe you should read up on CIT's "evidence" and become their waterboy here. Please. It'll be fun!

[stateofgrace]

I used to be very interested in the Pentagon but I grew wary of it after a time . It has something of the honeypot about it I find. Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.

Really ?

And of course you are now going to prove this,right?

Start by offering up a single fly over witness.

[twinstead]

Really ?

And of course you are now going to prove this,right?

Start by offering up a single fly over witness.

Or evidence the first responders are lying

[beachnut]

Have a look at this link and use F11 to toggle fullscreen on/off. It really gives the idea doesn't it. Is that RR airport I can see just over there ?

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover
What kind of plane is that. They are not flying over the Pentagon, they are flying around. Why did you post this? Everyone here knows the airport is right next to the Pentagon. Why are you void of all knowledge associated with 911? You have no clue on this one.
I used to be very interested in the Pentagon but I grew wary of it after a time . It has something of the honeypot about it I find. Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.
Yes I expect you to pick the lie and repeat it. You repeat lies from other people and you have no clue, no evidence, no knowledge on the subject.

How disrespectful to those who died in the Pentagon from the terrorists you apologize for due to your ignorance on 911.

You believe in all the big lies from 911Truth and you have no evidence to support your delusion. You failed to have a rational story about the steel you have no clue what you were talking about. No you have no plane impacting the Pentagon. Why do you apologizes for terrorists?

[bill smith]

What kind of plane is that. They are not flying over the Pentagon, they are flying around. Why did you post this? Everyone here knows the airport is right next to the Pentagon. Why are you void of all knowledge associated with 911? You have no clue on this one.

Yes I expect you to pick the lie and repeat it. You repeat lies from other people and you have no clue, no evidence, no knowledge on the subject.

How disrespectful to those who died in the Pentagon from the terrorists you apologize for due to your ignorance on 911.

You believe in all the big lies from 911Truth and you have no evidence to support your delusion. You failed to have a rational story about the steel you have no clue what you were talking about. No you have no plane impacting the Pentagon. Why do you apologizes for terrorists?


It might be a chopper I suppose. I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot may have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST....you know the way it goes.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

[beachnut]

It might be a chooper I suppose. I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot my have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST....you know the way it goes.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

Sad all the DNA from the passengers was in the Pentagon; your idea is but a delusional lie. Your disrespect and apologies for terrorists is sad too.

[bill smith]

Sad all the DNA from the passengers was in the Pentagon; your idea is but a delusional lie. Your disrespect and apologies for terrorists is sad too.

Didn't they identify hijacker DNA too ? I always wondered where they they got the control samples from. You know, you find some DNA on the ground you pick it up and put it in the DNA machine and it pops out a name....Hani Hanjour for instance . But where did the machine get the sample to compare the DNA on the ground to ?

[beachnut]

Didn't they identify hijacker DNA too ? I always wondered where they they got the control samples from. You know, you find some DNA on the ground you pick it up and put it in the DNA machine and it pops out a name....Hani Hanjour for instance . But where did the machine get the sample to compare the DNA on the ground to ?

Your lack of flying knowledge is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge on 911. At 470 knots, you will over shoot and impact well past the end of the runway. You like fantasy, and you post it. I expect now that ignorance extends to DNA and logic.


The terrorist on the flight had rented cars and stayed in rooms. They collected samples from the cars and rooms to make DNA profiles of possible terrorists, and they matched those profiles to the terrorist DNA found in the Pentagon.

You have picked another lie to support with your zero evidence defense.

[nicepants]

It might be a chopper I suppose. I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot may have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST....you know the way it goes.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

They're a little bit high for fooling people into believing that they hit the Pentagon. One of CIT's star eyewitnesses even said that the plane had to pull up to keep from hitting a street sign. The plane in the photo you posted looks to be at least 1500 feet or so above ground level. It's also way too far north to be on CIT's flight path.

ETA: Wait...are you suggesting that the plane flew over the pentagon & landed at Reagan? At the speeds that plane was going and altitudes it was flying there's no way it's landing anywhere at that airport on the first approach.
Didn't they identify hijacker DNA too ? I always wondered where they they got the control samples from. You know, you find some DNA on the ground you pick it up and put it in the DNA machine and it pops out a name....Hani Hanjour for instance . But where did the machine get the sample to compare the DNA on the ground to ?

Probably hair or skin tissue from their apartments/hotel rooms/cars, etc.

[bill smith]

They're a little bit high for fooling people into believing that they hit the Pentagon. One of CIT's star eyewitnesses even said that the plane had to pull up to keep from hitting a street sign. The plane in the photo you posted looks to be at least 1500 feet or so above ground level. It's also way too far north to be on CIT's flight path.

ETA: Wait...are you suggesting that the plane flew over the pentagon & landed at Reagan? At the speeds that plane was going and altitudes it was flying there's no way it's landing anywhere at that airport on the first approach.


Probably hair or skin tissue from their apartments/hotel rooms/cars, etc.

Yes that might explain the DNA alright. Good catch.

[tfk]

I used to be very interested in the Pentagon but I grew wary of it after a time . It has something of the honeypot about it I find. Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.


For those who might not yet appreciate the depths of bill's fantasies, is term "honey pot" is revealing.

In his fertile imagination, the ebil gubbamint has constructed wheels within wheels. In this particular case, a non-conspiracy wrapped inside a conspiracy. A feint. A juke.

In other words, they directed their agents to really hijack Flight 77 and fly it into the Pentagon, but have planted all kinds of fake information that it was NOT Flight 77 that flew into the Pentagon. Thereby drawing all the conspiracy theorists to this fake conspiracy (which is, of course a real conspiracy. Just a real conspiracy of a different type) and away from the OTHER real conspiracies.

Thereby draining resources and credibility from those pursuing the other real conspiracy when it is finally proven that Flight 77 DID fly into the Pentagon.

(Caution: if you read this too many times because you cannot believe someone would actually propose something this stupid, your head might explode.)

Therefore, if Flight 77 is proven to NOT have flown into the Pentagon, a Gubbamint conspiracy is revealed, of course.
And when Flight 77 is proven to HAVE flown into the Pentagon, a Gubbamint conspiracy is also revealed. Of course.

Perfectly sensible. Of course.

tom

[Pinch]

It might be a chopper I suppose. I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot may have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST....you know the way it goes.

Dumb as a post, I think the saying goes.

[bill smith]

For those who might not yet appreciate the depths of bill's fantasies, is term "honey pot" is revealing.

In his fertile imagination, the ebil gubbamint has constructed wheels within wheels. In this particular case, a non-conspiracy wrapped inside a conspiracy. A feint. A juke.

In other words, they directed their agents to really hijack Flight 77 and fly it into the Pentagon, but have planted all kinds of fake information that it was NOT Flight 77 that flew into the Pentagon. Thereby drawing all the conspiracy theorists to this fake conspiracy (which is, of course a real conspiracy. Just a real conspiracy of a different type) and away from the OTHER real conspiracies.

Thereby draining resources and credibility from those pursuing the other real conspiracy when it is finally proven that Flight 77 DID fly into the Pentagon.

(Caution: if you read this too many times because you cannot believe someone would actually propose something this stupid, your head might explode.)

Therefore, if Flight 77 is proven to NOT have flown into the Pentagon, a Gubbamint conspiracy is revealed, of course.
And when Flight 77 is proven to HAVE flown into the Pentagon, a Gubbamint conspiracy is also revealed. Of course.

Perfectly sensible. Of course.

tom
Hello there again

Boo hoo...you're bad-mouthing me again. It's not fair.Just because you coudn't get your way with me. Boo hoo. lol

[tsig]

...oh, and the NWO stole Steven Jones's cold fusion research..

Well he sole it from the aliens to begin with.

[Bobert]

Didn't they identify hijacker DNA too ? I always wondered where they they got the control samples from. You know, you find some DNA on the ground you pick it up and put it in the DNA machine and it pops out a name....Hani Hanjour for instance . But where did the machine get the sample to compare the DNA on the ground to ?
Bill,
I am assuming you meant this as a joke?
If so very poor taste IMHO.
Do you have any clue whatsoever the complexities involved in DNA collection and analysis?
You really sound like you are shooting from the hip and given you are a no-planer that is really no surprise.
You no-planers and CIT CULT followers are a fringe of a fringe of a fringe of a fringe.....
Welcome to ignore.

[tfk]

It might be a chopper I suppose. I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot may have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST....you know the way it goes.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

The fact that you cannot identify what is happening in this picture proves how empty is your knowledge of flying.

You are looking out of the passenger (right side) window of a small plane ("Flugzeug" means "airplane") over the right wing at the Pentagon. You can tell the the leading edge of the wing is to the left in the photo by the curvature of the wing, which is greatly foreshortened because of the perspective.

The plane is right where you would expect it to be (at about 800' AGL if it were "turning onto the base leg" in preparation for landing at Reagan's runway 15. This would be the orientation if the pilot were doing "touch & go's" in a right traffic pattern, or approaching the airport from the south-west.

As always, the amount that you don't know PLUS the fact that you will listen to nobody who does know, renders your proclamations about any of this stuff inconsequential.

BTW, the last I heard of DNA evidence is that they had identified all but one of the passengers, plus an UNKNOWN group of four individuals. They were able to identify the passangers because their families donated samples from hair brushes and tooth brushes (and occasionally from closely related individuals). But the families of the hijackers back in Saudi Arabia were, somehow, reluctant to cooperate.

[tsig]

It might be a chopper I suppose. I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot may have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST....you know the way it goes.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

Enjoying a "Walter Mitty Moment" are we?

There was no fly over therefore there was no flyover pilot.

There were flies over the dead people parts strewn all around. Is that what you meant?

[tfk]

Hello there again

Boo hoo...you're bad-mouthing me again. It's not fair.Just because you coudn't get your way with me. Boo hoo. lol

Here is how you described it previously:
http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post25252


I wonder if there is any way to turn this back on them...the arrogant gits. ... I saw the clues being laid, and the implicit direct threats. I guessed there were being honey-pots offered. The 'doublethink' which I think is also known as 'cognitive sissonance'(or at least a variant of it is) was another. I think for instance that the Pentagon was an example of the 'honeypot'(I sometimes thought it was a poison pill).


and

http://www.topix.com/forum/topstories/TSBMT04T49GGG7HFO/post55517

The Pentagon just for fun because we don't really need it and there may be booby-raps. Honeypots are always dangerous.lol



Now, for the record here, is there ANY aspect of my interpretation of what you meant by the word "honeypot" that is incorrect or misleading in the slightest?
___

Ultimately, I HAVE to agree with you, Juan.

Telling the cold, factual truth about what you state is EXACTLY equivalent to "bad mouthing" you.

Any thoughtful person would have the common sense to be embarrassed about that state of affairs. :jaw-dropp

[tfk]

Well he sole it from the aliens to begin with.
Actually, you have to give Steven Jones kudos for his cold fusion work. This is, in fact, his real area of expertise. His work is first rate, and his statements that Fleischman & Pons had to be wrong were correct.

However, when he drifts over into structural or mechanical engineering, it becomes painful to watch. His "the second law of thermodynamics prohibits the building from collapsing straight downward" was a four-star moment in his early presentations to adoring college crowds. Presumably empty of engineering or physics students. He seems to have dropped that revelation in his later lectures.

tom

[GlennB]

Didn't they identify hijacker DNA too ? I always wondered where they they got the control samples from. You know, you find some DNA on the ground you pick it up and put it in the DNA machine and it pops out a name....Hani Hanjour for instance . But where did the machine get the sample to compare the DNA on the ground to ?

Dunno if you think you're being funny, Bill. Cute, sharp, great repartee? Fooling with the guys+gals? Stuff like that? You aren't. You're coming across here as a monumental arse. An embarrassment to yourself, your family and friends. Grow up.

[Bobert]

When some truthers post its like they are screaming, "SEE WORLD! HERE IS MY MENTAL ILLNESS FOR ALL TO SEE!!!!"

[16.5]

It might be a chopper I suppose. I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot may have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST....you know the way it goes.

http://www.911myths.com/assets/images/Pentagn_Approach.jpg Pentagon flyover

I just wanted to give a similar view to the one the flyover pilot may have had. Imagine the smoke he might have been flying through... wings falling off.... insanely impossible pull up with no wings.... the pilot dying due to pulling 30 gees out of an impossible bank into a 60 degree pull up....throttling back....airbrakes maybe....runway 15 coming up fast....SQUEEEK....FULL REVERSE THRUST.

Fixed that for you!

[stateofgrace]

As Bill offered up a single witness that saw the fly over yet?

[BCR]

I used to be very interested in the Pentagon but I grew wary of it after a time . It has something of the honeypot about it I find. Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.

Have you read Firefight by Pat Creed? If you take the time to visit Arlington and talk to the police and EMS people who were actually there, you would realize just how incorrect your statement is.

[Childlike Empress]

If prejudice against stupidity is a crime, then call me guilty.


Well, we all have to be aware of our own prejudices. Everyone has them. I spent a few hours last weekend looking into the investigations of CIT. Someone whose judgement i trust told me to look into it. The reason why i hadn't already looked into it was the way Craig and Aldo behaved on this very forum.

I watched "The eye of the storm", subtitled "Lloyd England and his taxi cab". My knowledge was that they had four witnesses, two of them pentagon police, for their "north side" flight path - the relevance of which i didn't get. Now, TAM, watch that video. They have thirteen very credible witnesses for the flight path.

From what i've read here, i thought they would accuse Lloyd England of being "in on it" because he insisted on the story of his cab being hit by a lightpole hit by the plane during the south-side flight path.

But that isn't the case. Lloyd England changed his story and now claims that he and his cab were at a place were the plane would have hit if CIT's north-side flight path would be correct. Despite all the photographic evidence of him and his cab.

Watch it (http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm), it's hilarious. What do you think?

[apathoid]

Well, we all have to be aware of our own prejudices. Everyone has them. I spent a few hours last weekend looking into the investigations of CIT. Someone whose judgement i trust told me to look into it. The reason why i hadn't already looked into it was the way Craig and Aldo behaved on this very forum.


How much do you trust that person's judgment now? About as much as your average crack addict...I should hope.


ETA: As for the rest of your post....joking right? Sarcasm is hard to pick up on a forum.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Well, we all have to be aware of our own prejudices. Everyone has them. I spent a few hours last weekend looking into the investigations of CIT. Someone whose judgement i trust told me to look into it. The reason why i hadn't already looked into it was the way Craig and Aldo behaved on this very forum.

I watched "The eye of the storm", subtitled "Lloyd England and his taxi cab". My knowledge was that they had four witnesses, two of them pentagon police, for their "north side" flight path - the relevance of which i didn't get. Now, TAM, watch that video. They have thirteen very credible witnesses for the flight path.

From what i've read here, i thought they would accuse Lloyd England of being "in on it" because he insisted on the story of his cab being hit by a lightpole hit by the plane during the south-side flight path.

But that isn't the case. Lloyd England changed his story and now claims that he and his cab were at a place were the plane would have hit if CIT's north-side flight path would be correct. Despite all the photographic evidence of him and his cab.

Watch it (http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm), it's hilarious. What do you think?

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=81551

[Childlike Empress]

I'm not kidding. CIT has convinced me that they have obtained excellent first-hand witness evidence for the flight path and that Lloyd England's testimony is false - and that he knows it. As we are talking about prejudices here, what if you would watch the video i've linked to before you comment?

[beachnut]

Well, we all have to be aware of our own prejudices. Everyone has them. I spent a few hours last weekend looking into the investigations of CIT. Someone whose judgement i trust told me to look into it. The reason why i hadn't already looked into it was the way Craig and Aldo behaved on this very forum.

I watched "The eye of the storm", subtitled "Lloyd England and his taxi cab". My knowledge was that they had four witnesses, two of them pentagon police, for their "north side" flight path - the relevance of which i didn't get. Now, TAM, watch that video. They have thirteen very credible witnesses for the flight path.

From what i've read here, i thought they would accuse Lloyd England of being "in on it" because he insisted on the story of his cab being hit by a lightpole hit by the plane during the south-side flight path.

But that isn't the case. Lloyd England changed his story and now claims that he and his cab were at a place were the plane would have hit if CIT's north-side flight path would be correct. Despite all the photographic evidence of him and his cab.

Watch it (http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm), it's hilarious. What do you think?
No they don't; the flight paths are impossible for many reasons. You have chosen idiots who make up junk to sell DVDs to other idiots. You use no evidence you take delusions made up by taking witnesses years after an event and twist their words. Each witness agrees 77 impacted the Pentagon. So you got delusions by CIT with a moronic conclusion supported with witnesses who say 77 impacted the Pentagon and knocked down the lampposts. The RADAR data, FDR, and physical evidence refutes CIT and makes they morons who make up lies.

Lloyd is playing with the dirt dumb dolts from CIT. The only thing credible about their video is it is proof CIT is mentally ill, or pathetic salesmen with moronic lies.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Go CIT! :wackyrolleyes:

http://i164.photobucket.com/albums/u27/kikapurider/CITGO2.jpg

ETA: CE, this is one of your "13 North of CitgoTM Eyewitnesses"

[dtugg]

I'm not kidding. CIT has convinced me that they have obtained excellent first-hand witness evidence for the flight path and that Lloyd England's testimony is false - and that he knows it. As we are talking about prejudices here, what if you would watch the video i've linked to before you comment?

LOL! You got conned by a couple of psychotic, moronic frauds! What does that make you?

Do you think the plane really flew over the Pentagon?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Even without the light poles and the damage to the pentagon and the eyewitness testimonies it's already been proven the plane flew South of Citgo. Thanks to the hard work of our two NWO monkeys Caustic Logic and 911Files.

AA77 reveals herself.

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q62/chainsawmoth/FrustratingFraud/Citgo_Shadow_labeled.jpg

[AJM8125]

I watched that quite some time ago. IIRC, CIT's witnesses confirm the NOC flight path but they all say that AAL77 went into the Pentagon. Something Craig and Aldo left out of the movie.

[apathoid]

I'm not kidding. CIT has convinced me that they have obtained excellent first-hand witness evidence for the flight path and that Lloyd England's testimony is false - and that he knows it. As we are talking about prejudices here, what if you would watch the video i've linked to before you comment?


Well that makes 4 of you.

[Childlike Empress]

In fact during the time i spent looking into CIT's research, i also listened to the debate between Adam Larson (Caustic Logic) and Craig Ranke. Boy got he owned.

[UNLoVedRebel]

In fact during the time i spent looking into CIT's research, i also listened to the debate between Adam Larson (Caustic Logic) and Craig Ranke. Boy got he owned.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6682/hyenalaughingbr3.jpg

[Childlike Empress]

UnlovedRebel, you were a kid when 911 happened. Why should i care about that picture you've drawn back in the days? Not without talent, i admit.

[Audible Click]

What does his age at the time of 9/11 have to do with this discussion?

[UNLoVedRebel]

UnlovedRebel, you were a kid when 911 happened. Why should i care about that picture you've drawn back in the days? Not without talent, i admit.

Thanks but that belongs to Markyx.

[apathoid]

Bumped for Childlike Empress (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4747580&postcount=51).

[bje]

Given that there is no 757 in the Pentagon though, a flyover seems to be the most lkely explanation.

You must be a newbie at this. You realize that there would be mountains of evidence of a flyover had one occurred, don't you?

[T.A.M.]

Well, we all have to be aware of our own prejudices. Everyone has them. I spent a few hours last weekend looking into the investigations of CIT. Someone whose judgement i trust told me to look into it. The reason why i hadn't already looked into it was the way Craig and Aldo behaved on this very forum.

I watched "The eye of the storm", subtitled "Lloyd England and his taxi cab". My knowledge was that they had four witnesses, two of them pentagon police, for their "north side" flight path - the relevance of which i didn't get. Now, TAM, watch that video. They have thirteen very credible witnesses for the flight path.

From what i've read here, i thought they would accuse Lloyd England of being "in on it" because he insisted on the story of his cab being hit by a lightpole hit by the plane during the south-side flight path.

But that isn't the case. Lloyd England changed his story and now claims that he and his cab were at a place were the plane would have hit if CIT's north-side flight path would be correct. Despite all the photographic evidence of him and his cab.

Watch it (http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm), it's hilarious. What do you think?

I think, that they are attention whores, fringe of the fringe, and do not deserve my attention, and definitely not my time.

The MOUNTAIN of evidence that contradicts the alleged testimony of a dozen lead witnesses recollections 6-7 years after the incident. Sorry, I will take DNA evidence over that 100% of the time.

TAM:)

[Childlike Empress]

So this doesn't surprise you at all?

From what i've read here, i thought they would accuse Lloyd England of being "in on it" because he insisted on the story of his cab being hit by a lightpole hit by the plane during the south-side flight path.

But that isn't the case. Lloyd England changed his story and now claims that he and his cab were at a place were the plane would have hit if CIT's north-side flight path would be correct. Despite all the photographic evidence of him and his cab.

[dtugg]

So what? Lloyd is either messing with the two idiots or is simply mistaken.

[Childlike Empress]

Mistaken about what, dtugg?

[dtugg]

Mistaken about what, dtugg?

Where he was.

[Childlike Empress]

The last hour of that 9x minutes video is essentially Craig Ranke trying to convince Llloyd England that he (England) was where the evidence shows him to be. On the south side of the CITGO. There is no way that England doesn't know that what Ranke shows him is the available evidence. He is certainly not mistaken.

Now, if he is messing with the guys. Why? The guys think they have obtained witness evidence for a flight path different than normal wisdom indicates, and England plays along? He doesn't tell them to f* off with their conspiracy theories but fuels them? Invites them to two trips, one to the cab and one to the pentagon? Why?

[alexi_drago]

So what? Lloyd is either messing with the two idiots or is simply mistaken.

I get the feeling it's the former, it's not like he's under oath or anything and can say what he wants. So with that in mind,

Watch it (http://thepentacon.com/eyeofthestorm.htm), it's hilarious. What do you think?

[dtugg]

The last hour of that 9x minutes video is essentially Craig Ranke trying to convince Llloyd England that he (England) was where the evidence shows him to be. On the south side of the CITGO. There is no way that England doesn't know that what Ranke shows him is the available evidence. He is certainly not mistaken.

He could certainly be mistaken. This was over seven years ago and Lloyd isn't getting any younger. I am not going to watch that video because Craig is a lying piece of crap and I can't stand listening to his voice. But it's also possible that if Craig was trying to convince him he was south of the citgo, that Lloyd was saying the opposite because he knows that Craig is a lying sack of crap.


Now, if he is messing with the guys. Why? The guys think they have obtained witness evidnce for a flight path different than normal wisdom indicates, and England plays along? He doesn't tell them to f* off with their conspiracy theories but fuels them? Invites them to two trips, one to the cab and one to the pentagon? Why?

Simply to mess with a couple of idiots. I might do the same thing if I were in his position.

The FACT that he was on the south side of the citgo proves that he was either mistaken or messing with a couple of idiots.

[Childlike Empress]

Yeah, now we're back to prejudices. I hope you don't expect me to take you seriously, dtugg.

[AJM8125]

The last hour of that 9x minutes video is essentially Craig Ranke trying to convince Llloyd England that he (England) was where the evidence shows him to be. On the south side of the CITGO. There is no way that England doesn't know that what Ranke shows him is the available evidence. He is certainly not mistaken.

Now, if he is messing with the guys. Why? The guys think they have obtained witness evidence for a flight path different than normal wisdom indicates, and England plays along? He doesn't tell them to f* off with their conspiracy theories but fuels them? Invites them to two trips, one to the cab and one to the pentagon? Why?

Maybe CIT paid Mr. England for his time, therefore he was obligated to give them something. Screwing with them would be a bonus.

[Childlike Empress]

Maybe CIT paid Mr. England for his time, therefore he was obligated to give them something. Screwing with them would be a bonus.


I assume they first had to pay the thirteen witnesses for telling lies about the flight path. After that, they payed England to corroborate the faked flight path described by those witnesses by claiming that he and his cab were never where the known photos showed him to be. ... PROFIT! Sounds like a helluva plan!

[UNLoVedRebel]

I assume they first had to pay the thirteen witnesses for telling lies about the flight path. After that, they payed England to corroborate the faked flight path described by those witnesses by claiming that he and his cab were never where the known photos showed him to be. ... PROFIT! Sounds like a helluva plan!

There are no "thirteen witnesses" who lie about the flight path. I proved that. You have yet to comment on it. There is no "faked flight path". Only one flight path and that was south of citgo. I proved that. You have yet to comment on it. Why let these stupid memes infect your brain?

[Childlike Empress]

I have no idea if and where you've "proved" anything (link?), but please explain to me why England DENIES being south of citgo? Come up with an explanation that doesn't warrant a new investigation into 9/11, please.

[Jackanory]

There are no "thirteen witnesses" who lie about the flight path. I proved that. You have yet to comment on it. There is no "faked flight path". Only one flight path and that was south of citgo. I proved that. You have yet to comment on it. Why let these stupid memes infect your brain?

When the timeline is researched and checked we seem to find that the so called 'witnesses' that the TM sprout about all appeared rather late in the day. Some didnt crawl out for a number of years. Yet the official evidence and witnesses relied upon all came about PDQ after 911 and that has remained so ever since. No change in the official line. The truth can only be the truth. Lies and deceipt takes many different avenues and still meets a dead end.

[UNLoVedRebel]

I have no idea if and where you've "proved" anything (link?), but please explain to me why England DENIES being south of citgo? Come up with an explanation that doesn't warrant a new investigation into 9/11, please.
You cannot be serious.

SoC flight path proven: post#55.
13 "north of citgo witnesses" proven to be a lie: post#53

As for Mr. England. How should I know? I'm not psychic. He's a 77 year old man. What does his testimony prove or disprove regarding the events of 9/11?

[Childlike Empress]

These witnesses were all on record before CIT approached them. CIT asked them to clarify their statements. I skimmed those videos, didn't have to watch it all because they are very convincing. No ambiguity at all. Two hours of first hand witness testimony (http://thepentacon.com/northsideflyover.htm)

[BigAl]

These witnesses were all on record before CIT approached them. CIT asked them to clarify their statements. I skimmed those videos, didn't have to watch it all because they are very convincing. No ambiguity at all. Two hours of first hand witness testimony (http://thepentacon.com/northsideflyover.htm)

And when considered in the context of all the evidence and all the eyewitnesses, those people are somehow wrong.

"convincing" has nothing to do with it.

[Childlike Empress]

SoC flight path proven: post#55.
13 "north of citgo witnesses" proven to be a lie: post#53


Decipher that.

[UNLoVedRebel]

These witnesses were all on record before CIT approached them. CIT asked them to clarify their statements. I skimmed those videos, didn't have to watch it all because they are very convincing. No ambiguity at all. Two hours of first hand witness testimony (http://thepentacon.com/northsideflyover.htm)
Nope. No ambiguity at all. Keith Wheelhouse, Terry Morin and Ed Paik all put the plane in the south path.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Decipher that.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=117951

[johnny karate]

We might have to split this line of inquiry off into the "Legitimate Questions" thread, because sadly enough, this seems to be about as good as it gets from the Truthers.

[dtugg]

These witnesses were all on record before CIT approached them. CIT asked them to clarify their statements. I skimmed those videos, didn't have to watch it all because they are very convincing. No ambiguity at all. Two hours of first hand witness testimony (http://thepentacon.com/northsideflyover.htm)

Do you agree with your cult leaders who say that the plane flew over the Pentagon, or with their witnesses who say that the plane flew into the Pentagon?

[UNLoVedRebel]

Childlike Empress: This is the stupidity you are defending. Unbelievable how anyone could defend such stupidity, regardless of educational background or political persuasion.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk43/SPrestonUSA/SPUSA/Vidcaptures/Doubletree_05_aircraft3_lg.jpg

[Childlike Empress]

I proved that.
I bumped it because I was so sick of hearing about eyewitnesses.


*giggles* Seriously, UnlovedRebel, if you'd want to cure me of my madness, posting blurry JPGs just wouldn't do the job. Explain yourself.

[UNLoVedRebel]

*giggles* Seriously, UnlovedRebel, if you'd want to cure me of my madness, posting blurry JPGs just wouldn't do the job. Explain yourself.

*giggles* (WTF?). Hey genius, I wrote that three months ago. Notice the links in the OP. You were supposed to watch the video in which Caustic Logic explains his findings.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Childlike Empress went No-Planer Light? Lol... That's precious.

[Childlike Empress]

Why? I've listened to the debate between him and Craig. He has no idea what he's talking about. Wasn't willing to do his homework, obviously.

Explain it to me, UnlovedRebel. Two things they convinced me of, first, their witnesses are credible, second, Lloyd England doesn't tell the truth. Which of these two assumptions is debunked in the video you've linked, or which of those is stupid, for what reasons?

[dtugg]

Who is correct, latest CIT cult member? The complete idiot team, who say that the plane flew over the Pentagon? Or their own witnesses who say that it flew into Pentagon?

[A W Smith]

Why? I've listened to the debate between him and Craig. He has no idea what he's talking about. Wasn't willing to do his homework, obviously.

Explain it to me, UnlovedRebel. Two things they convinced me of, first, their witnesses are credible, second, Lloyd England doesn't tell the truth. Which of these two assumptions is debunked in the video you've linked, or which of those is stupid, for what reasons?


More credible that these witnesses?
http://www.geocities.com/someguyyoudontknow33/witnesses.htm

thanks for showing us a classic example of
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/44046/title/The_inner_worlds_of_conspiracy_believers
Goertzel says the new study provides an intriguing but partial look at the inner workings of conspiracy thinking. Such convictions critically depend on what he calls “selective skepticism.” Conspiracy believers are highly doubtful about information from the government or other sources they consider suspect. But, without criticism, believers accept any source that supports their preconceived views, he says.

[PB&J]

Apparently an elderly gentleman mistaken on his location 8 years ago is reason enough to warrant a re-investigation into 9/11... wow.

For entertainment purposes - please continue down this path CE.

By the way, since CIT's "research" has sparked some interest with you, make sure you thoroughly research the testimony from all the people who witnessed the flyover. :rolleyes:

[A W Smith]

Apparently an elderly gentleman mistaken on his location 9 years ago is reason enough to warrant a re-investigation into 9/11... wow.

For entertainment purposes - please continue down this path CE.

By the way, since CIT's "research" has sparked some interest with you, make sure you thoroughly research the testimony from all the people who witnessed the flyover. :rolleyes:

shortly before she passed away. Not only did my elderly mother forget where she was driving to. But couldn't remember what side of the road she was supposed to be driving on. Is Lloyd England still even driving?

[Justin39640]

i seen some highlight clips of that interview
i dont think the old guy had his wits about him as he had in previous interviews
the interviewers were steering him etc etc but thats neither here not there

5 minutes in i seen the flaw

this is a screenshot of the comparison flight paths they made in the video
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/4126/flightpath.jpg

so according to the video "evidence" the plane entered the building and "hung a louie" as we all know where the plane entered and exited the building
as illustrated here
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/7650/pentagontwoofer.jpg

um.... no


and besides that I cant trust a guy who's cant keep his head looking straight at a camera while hes being filmed (worried about his good side? idk lol)
nor do i ever trust a man whos pupils i cant see lol
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7718/craigw.jpg

tips before going on camera:
1 get a haircut, the Moe ain't cuttin it
2 get some sleep the night before
3 have a girl pick out your shirt lol (maybe have her iron it too)

[apathoid]

CE, your finding of the evidence forwarded by CIT as plausible I suppose is just a matter of disagreement between you and us. But what you need to do is start pondering what else has to be true if this "flyover" theory is accurate. Start examining the body of evidence that needs to be explained away(eg. DNA, radar, Flight Data Recorder data, the mechanical damage path along the "official" flight path, all other eyewitnesses who report an impact, absense of a single soul who saw a flyover, aircraft parts, phone calls from passengers, American Airlines ACARS data, etc..).

Personally, and this isn't intended to be an insult, I find it difficult to believe that any rational mind could fall for what most of us here believe is the single most studpiest theory in history.

[dtugg]

so according to the video "evidence" the plane entered the building and "hung a louie" as we all know where the plane entered and exited the building as illustrated here


They don't think that the plane hit the building at all. According to their fantasy, it really flew over. Naturally, there are zero witnesses to this. It's about the stupidest thing ever.

[A W Smith]

and what do all the NOC witnesses indicate?

http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/convergenceofevidence.jpg

Impact

[Justin39640]

They don't think that the plane hit the building at all. According to their fantasy, it really flew over. Naturally, there are zero witnesses to this. It's about the stupidest thing ever.

o wow
let me digest that a second....

HAHAHAHAHA

i vastly underestimated the stupidity, sorry

seriously though my gf just walked in and said "o whos that guy"
i tell her hes a "911 guy who made a movie about blah blah" and she goes "o yeah, cause he was there?" lol

[Justin39640]

so what happened after it flew over where did it go?

o yeah
the death ray in the pentagon center disintegrated it as it passed

[cyclonic]

I can't take craig ranke seriously, the first time i saw him he just reminded me of this old movie.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002NY8VW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg (http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0002NY8VW.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
:D

[Ozric]

Oh man this is a hilarious thread.

Ce, UnLoved ReBel is trying to say (not very clealy) that Paik places the plane SOC, when in fact, he places the plane over the Navy Annex (a detail just as fatal to the official story btw) and trys to make the angle fit for the plane to impact.

He could not actually see the Citgo, but if you extend the exact path he drew on the satellite image from south of Coumbia Pike to over the Navy Annex, the plane flys north of the Citgo.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/paik2antenna.jpg

Thanks for proving the OP. Some people are susceptible to these stupid memes and provide a no response response like the one above in order to relieve their cognitive dissonance. Since you have no technical ability and cannot contribute anything to the discussion, tell us why you are susceptible to these riduclous ideas when the vast majority of the population is not.

Don't you get it- Caustic Logic was owned!

He had no idea what he was talking about.

He even lamely admits that he "didn't look into it that deeply" when Craig grills him on witness POV.

Hear Craig owning Caustic Logic in debate (http://thepentacon.com/craigvsadam.htm).

[dtugg]

Hey Dom!

[apathoid]

He could not actually see the Citgo, but if you extend the exact path he drew on the satellite image from south of Coumbia Pike to over the Navy Annex, the plane flys north of the Citgo.



It does not do that, it goes smack dab over the middle of the Citgo. I just stitched that image into Google Earth and checked because I was skeptical of your claims.

Ed is clearly pointing out the official flight path(SoC) here (http://www.911myths.com/images/f/fe/Edwardpointsnorth.gif).

[UNLoVedRebel]

Oh man this is a hilarious thread.

Ce, UnLoved ReBel is trying to say (not very clealy) that Paik places the plane SOC, when in fact, he places the plane over the Navy Annex (a detail just as fatal to the official story btw) and trys to make the angle fit for the plane to impact.

He could not actually see the Citgo, but if you extend the exact path he drew on the satellite image from south of Coumbia Pike to over the Navy Annex, the plane flys north of the Citgo.
That's your "North of Citgo" evidence? A flight path that doesn't show the plane north of citgo? It's kinda like witnesses saying they saw the plane hit the pentagon as "evidence" the plane didn't hit the pentagon.
Don't you get- Caustic Logic was owned!

He had no idea what he was talking about.

He even lamely admits that he "didn't look into it that deeply" when Craig grills him on witness POV.

Hear Craig owning Caustic Logic in debate (http://thepentacon.com/craigvsadam.htm).
Perhaps you would like to comment on his evidence rather than post childish comments.

[Drs_Res]

Here is a question I never see in any of the CIT threads.
Why would you give an aerial photo to people to draw a flight path on?

They were obviously not seeing the plane from an aerial POV. Having people draw lines on a photo that shows a POV they did not have at the time is bound to introduce some errors. They would need to make estimates of where they thought the plane would be and could be off by quite a bit.

[apathoid]

Here is a question I never see in any of the CIT threads.
Why would you give an aerial photo to people to draw a flight path on?

They were obviously not seeing the plane from an aerial POV. Having people draw lines on a photo that shows a POV they did not have at the time is bound to introduce some errors. They would need to make estimates of where they thought the plane would be and could be off by quite a bit.


This should clear things right up:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/pointingnorth.gif



Funny thing is: thats Ed Paik in the bottom right corner and he's pointing clearly south of the Citgo**.

**when you pinpoint exactly where it is that he's standing in Google Earth

[ElMondoHummus]

This has gotten ridiculous enough. Let's remember the good analysis Ryan Mackey did about believing that the CIT findings have any traction:


So let me see if I've got it straight:

According to the Citzen Investigation Team, the Government or whomever wanted to fool the world into thinking American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon, along a certain heading that took it through several light poles and low over the freeway just prior to impact.

To do this, They executed the following:

They flew an aircraft over the Pentagon
The aircraft traveled along a different heading entirely, on the opposite side of a visible landmark (viz. the Citgo station)
The aircraft passed nowhere near the light poles in question
The light poles were sabotaged anyway, in some completely different fashion than aircraft impact
One light pole was staged to penetrate the windshield of a car, in traffic, again despite the actual aircraft not passing anywhere near overhead
A large amount of explosives was detonated as the aircraft passed by
The aircraft then flew away over the Pentagon, where it was allegedly sighted by at least one individual
The explosion or whatever demolition carried out at the Pentagon left a hole far too small to have been caused by AA 77
A readable flight data recorder (FDR) was planted (along with an insufficient amount of aircraft debris) that allegedly conflicts with both Their false story and the track of the actual aircraft
And, finally,

The aircraft in question was deliberately painted so as to not even resemble an American Airlines jetliner.
I am reasonably certain that the above is the stupidest hypothesis ever conceived for any purpose, including parody, intentional humor, or even stress tests of human perception in psychological experiments.

In the future, I plan to take no notice whatsoever of the Citizens Investigation Team, other than to link back to this post. From here, there is simply no return. I deeply pity the minds that are snared by such utter madness.

[ElMondoHummus]

And while we're considering Mackey's demonstration of what the ultimate conclusion is to draw from CIT's beliefs, let's also consider shuttering any CIT/NOC/FOS discussion regarding FL77 and the Pentagon. That's been discussed so many times already that I'll bet anything else anyone comes up with will merely repeat what has already been posted, so why not just read already composed posts?

[PB&J]

Here is a question I never see in any of the CIT threads.
Why would you give an aerial photo to people to draw a flight path on?

They were obviously not seeing the plane from an aerial POV. Having people draw lines on a photo that shows a POV they did not have at the time is bound to introduce some errors. They would need to make estimates of where they thought the plane would be and could be off by quite a bit.

This is exactly what happened with Kieth Wheelhouse in the CIT videos.

They shoved an overhead satellite photo and told him to give a sketch of the flight path he saw that day (~7 years before the interview). He had to be told which buildings were which and even stated that he didn't know the area that well. CIT ignores this and takes his drawings 100% literal and proceeds to libel this guy to no end.

Taking rough sketches like these from a completely different POV - made so long after the incident no less - so literally is ludicrous to say the least.

[Drs_Res]

This is exactly what happened with Kieth Wheelhouse in the CIT videos.

They shoved an overhead satellite photo and told him to give a sketch of the flight path he saw that day (~7 years before the interview). He had to be told which buildings were which and even stated that he didn't know the area that well. CIT ignores this and takes his drawings 100% literal and proceeds to libel this guy to no end.

Taking rough sketches like these from a completely different POV - made so long after the incident no less - so literally is ludicrous to say the least.

I am not going to look at any CIT video until they release the unedited interviews (it will be a long wait) so thanks for that.

And while we're considering Mackey's demonstration of what the ultimate conclusion is to draw from CIT's beliefs, let's also consider shuttering any CIT/NOC/FOS discussion regarding FL77 and the Pentagon. That's been discussed so many times already that I'll bet anything else anyone comes up with will merely repeat what has already been posted, so why not just read already composed posts?

I agree with you and I am sorry for my help in the derailing of this thread. Let's let this die and get back on topic.

[Ozric]

It does not do that, it goes smack dab over the middle of the Citgo. I just stitched that image into Google Earth and checked because I was skeptical of your claims.
Yes it clearly does.

Again, here is the original image:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/paik2antenna.jpg

Note that the line passes through the intersection of the right edge of South Orme Street and the left edge of Columbia Pike.

It also passes a little to the north of the center of the side of the Navy Annex facing the Pentagon.

The coordinates on Google Earth for the above intersection and the center of the Pentagon facing side of the Annex are 38.866 -77.071 and 38.868 -77.067, respectively.

The line is clearly north of the Citgo.

http://i594.photobucket.com/albums/tt21/Ozric5/edpaik.jpg

Ed is clearly pointing out the official flight path(SoC) here (http://www.911myths.com/images/f/fe/Edwardpointsnorth.gif).

No, he is pointing to north in that gif.

In fact, in the exact moment of the video from which that gif was taken, he says the plane almost hit his roof.

His shop is on the north side of Columbia, so its clear that he is not pointing out the official flight path.

But if his own words, gestures, and drawings are still unclear, here is another gif where he points out exactly where the fuselage was:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/gifs/paikheading.gif

[UNLoVedRebel]

That places the plane north of the mall entrance. Then it went over the south parking lot right? :wackyrolleyes: Was this a 757 or a UFO?

Is that CIT's new "smoking gun release"? "The North of Baltimore Flyover!"

[Ozric]

That places the plane north of the mall entrance. Then it went over the south parking lot right?

Yes.

Unlike the official flight path, the north side flight path is both witness compatible and aerodynamically possible.

See:

"9/11: The North Flight Path" Technical Supplement (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=122).

and

9/11: Attack on the Pentagon (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7134448689829125037&ei=cYsbSr3-OJ62qQKI1MW_Bw&q=%229%2F11%3A+Attack+on+the+Pentagon%22)

[dtugg]

Yes.

Unlike the official flight path, the north side flight path is both witness compatible and aerodynamically possible.


LOL! Do you guys still say that the plane made a 90 degree turn over the Pentagon (you know so it could fly over the south parking lot like Roosevelt Roberts supposedly claims)?

[Ozric]

LOL! Do you guys still say that the plane made a 90 degree turn over the Pentagon?

Neither PFT nor CIT have ever claimed that.

Please source either PFT or CIT saying the plane "made a 90 degree turn over the Pentagon".

Have you even read the paper (hint: its linked in my previous post)?

[dtugg]

Did you read the second part of my post, Dom? The complete idiot team has claimed that the plane flew over the south parking lot. How exactly would the plane get from the complete idiot team's NoC path to the south parking lot? Do I need to draw you a picture, Dom?

Cap'n Bob/Turboidiot's garbage paper has been destroyed here already.

[Ozric]

How exactly would the plane get from the complete idiot team's NoC path to the south parking lot?

Um... how about by banking?

You're not the brightest, are you "dtugg"?

ETA: Who the hell is "Dom"? :confused:

[dtugg]

Um... how about by banking?

You're not the brightest, are you "dtugg"?

Wow, this is great!

Since I am such an idiot why don't you draw an image of the plane flying the fantasy NoC path and over the south parking lot. I promise that I will laugh in your face no matter what.

[Ozric]

Again, its in the paper and the related presentation.

See:

9/11: The North Flight Path (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1248677650819981509)

"9/11: The North Flight Path" Technical Supplement (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=122)

[dtugg]

Again, its in the paper and the related presentation.

See:

9/11: The North Side Flight Path (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1248677650819981509)

"9/11: The North Side Flight Path" Technical Supplement (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=122)

Please stop spamming Cap'n Bob's/Turboidiot's garbage. It has been destroyed here already.

I am just looking for a simple map with a path draw that has the plane going on both the fantasy NoC path and over the south parking lot. The garbage "paper" doesn't have that.

Please. It will be funny.

[T.A.M.]

I assume they first had to pay the thirteen witnesses for telling lies about the flight path. After that, they payed England to corroborate the faked flight path described by those witnesses by claiming that he and his cab were never where the known photos showed him to be. ... PROFIT! Sounds like a helluva plan!

honestly, seriously, HOW RELIABLE do you think their recollections are, with respect to the mere seconds (or less) that a plane flew over them, PRIOR to the impact at the Pentagon, 6-8 years ago (depending on the interview time).

I would take any witness testimony now (or in the last 5 years) with a grain of salt, to say the least.

CIT lead witnesses, Cherry Pick, and IGNORE all contradicting evidence to their insane theory.

Now I have already wasted too much of my time on their crap.

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Its been almost 2 years since Craig promised there would be arrests soon due to their "earth shattering" evidence. Still nothing...no authorities taking action, not even any noteworthy media coverage...

CIT, DOM, and PFT are exhibits A, B, and C for the "insanity" section of the TM movement.

If CE has decided to follow their tripe, it will make it very easy to place him and Ozric/Dom on ignore.

TAM:)

[A W Smith]

Oh man this is a hilarious thread.

Ce, UnLoved ReBel is trying to say (not very clealy) that Paik places the plane SOC, when in fact, he places the plane over the Navy Annex (a detail just as fatal to the official story btw) and trys to make the angle fit for the plane to impact.

He could not actually see the Citgo, but if you extend the exact path he drew on the satellite image from south of Coumbia Pike to over the Navy Annex, the plane flys north of the Citgo.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/paik2antenna.jpg



Don't you get it- Caustic Logic was owned!

He had no idea what he was talking about.

He even lamely admits that he "didn't look into it that deeply" when Craig grills him on witness POV.

Hear Craig owning Caustic Logic in debate (http://thepentacon.com/craigvsadam.htm).

He couldn't even see the navy annex from where he was standing. Which was???? Come on tell us ozzic

[Mr.Herbert]

Once again...an appropriate time to post this:

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z204/CaptainObvious2007/CIT.jpg

[Mr.Herbert]

Neither PFT nor CIT have ever claimed that.
Please source either PFT or CIT saying the plane "made a 90 degree turn over the Pentagon".

Dom, you do claim that the plane banks prior to the "bombs" being detonated.

[16.5]

Again, its in the paper and the related presentation.

See:

9/11: The North Flight Path (http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-1248677650819981509)

"9/11: The North Flight Path" Technical Supplement (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=122)

NOT ANOTHER Citiot. I love those papers! They have absolutely nothing to do with CIT's made up flight path, hell the path they discuss directly contradicts all of the CIT witnesses. Hey Ozric, by the way, how the hell does a plane that is practically laying on its side pull out of a descent and go up and over the Pentagon at the impact site with no one at all seeing it??

Frauds!! Keep up the good work!

[AJM8125]

Why does CIT keep sending these clowns over here?

It reminds of Sylvester the cat when he has to run the gauntlet of dozens of vicious bulldogs to get to the prize. As much as he tries to disguise himself he can never disguise his true intentions and ends up getting chewed to bits by the bulldogs as a direct result.

Keep sending them over though, it's great entertainment.:D

[Ozric]

CIT lead witnesses, Cherry Pick, and IGNORE all contradicting evidence to their insane theory.


I took the liberty of bumping TLB's thread, Question for Evilbiker (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4749170#post4749170) so that T.A.M can provide evidence for the bolded claim above.

[BCR]

I took the liberty of bumping TLB's thread, Question for Evilbiker (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4749170#post4749170) so that T.A.M can provide evidence for the bolded claim above.

So, you concede the 'cherry picking' and 'ignoring evidence' parts of his statement?

[16.5]

So, you concede the 'cherry picking' and 'ignoring evidence' parts of his statement?

It would appear so....

[T.A.M.]

I took the liberty of bumping TLB's thread, Question for Evilbiker (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4749170#post4749170) so that T.A.M can provide evidence for the bolded claim above.

THE CIT bullcrap has already taken up more time of mine then it deserves. I have no intention of wading through their nonsense to provide you with evidence. And before you ask, nope, not gonna retract my statement.

Take it somewhere where they care DOM.

TAM:)

[BCR]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_290984a1c07b041e48.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16489)

Yes, a line drawn consistent with the radar data shows a path perfectly consistent with both Paik and Zakheim's accounts. It is also a perfect match for Morin's observation of the plane dropping below the trees as he stepped out into the lot. It takes a lot of cherry-picking and ignoring of evidence to get anything else out these eyewitness accounts and radar data.

[beachnut]

Yes.

Unlike the official flight path, the north side flight path is both witness compatible and aerodynamically possible.

See:

"9/11: The North Flight Path" Technical Supplement (http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum//index.php?act=attach&type=post&id=122).

and

9/11: Attack on the Pentagon (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7134448689829125037&ei=cYsbSr3-OJ62qQKI1MW_Bw&q=%229%2F11%3A+Attack+on+the+Pentagon%22)
Your flight path is impossible; too many Gs. Prove your delusions with math and physics. Oops, can you do math and physics?

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/Edwardpointsouth.gif

Oops; south of CITGO and he is looking at his pointing in this cut; whereas the idiots at CIT have to cut and make up your photo post.

Please draw the flight path you have. Show me the flight path.

CIT make up lies to sell DVDs; are you part of the scam or do you lack knowledge and skills to comprehend 911?

[1337m4n]

100% of eyewitnesses corroborate the plane hitting the Pentagon.

This is all that really needs to be said.

[AJM8125]

Ozric has been banned as a sock puppet of previously banned member TheLoneBedouin.

Damn it! My money was on TLB. Next time I'll speak up.:mad:

ETA: All hail the Hypno-Toad!

[dtugg]

I thought for sure he was Dom/TC329/Terrocell.

[Reheat]

I thought for sure he was Dom/TC329/Terrocell.

Is there any significant difference?

[Grizzly Bear]

Heh... I was lurking and thought the posts sounded familiar... while I'm making a brief jump into the subject, I ended up spending some time today looking at the archival news footage that was done live as the events were unfolding. I've seen multiple vids, and none that I've seen involve any such flyover. The witnesses whom were spoken to all stated that the passenger jet slammed into the building. And barring the crap that PFT puts out as proof, their alternatives for what they believe was done to the Pentagon to make it "look realistic" have always been unrealistic

[dtugg]

Is there any significant difference?

I never saw Craig/TLB (or anybody besides Dom for that matter) talk about the crazy UFO that was supposedly flying underneath power lines at Shanksville.

[Justin39640]

I never saw Craig/TLB (or anybody besides Dom for that matter) talk about the crazy UFO that was supposedly flying underneath power lines at Shanksville.

um
what?
lol
is there a link for that?

[AJM8125]

is there a link for that?

I'd be more concerned about if there's a cure for that.

[AJM8125]

Seriously, If you want to experience the madness:

http://forums.randi.org/search.php?searchid=2034794

Have a look around, but don't say I didn't warn you.

[Justin39640]

Seriously, If you want to experience the madness:

http://forums.randi.org/search.php?searchid=2034794

Have a look around, but don't say I didn't warn you.

ah that link turns up blank
i tried a search but i couldn't find it

[AJM8125]

ah that link turns up blank
i tried a search but i couldn't find it

Really? Interesting. I'd say google TC329 + JREF, but maybe that's just as well.

[16.5]

Man those mutts at CIT are incorrigible. The funny thing is that at the ghost town that is the CIT forum, they always post a cheering thread for their socks, claiming that they don't know who their sock is.

Bunch of frauds.

[T.A.M.]

I thought for sure he was Dom/TC329/Terrocell.

Yah me too.

So was TLB actually Dom as well, or is there really someone just as crazy as Dom, with as much ******** in their head about UA93?

TAM:)

[dtugg]

I think TLB was Craig. But who knows?

[Stacko]

I think TLB was Craig. But who knows?

Since TLB was banned for letting multiple users use his account, couldn't he be both?

[scissorhands]

I think TLB was Craig. But who knows?

I do.
He wasnt.