Mass Graves at a Cemetery?

[Ohnoes]

I couldn't believe they reported this, but none the less I felt I would address and show it for what it really is....Fear Mongering!:boxedin:

The original article is here http://www.infowars.com/military-industrial-complex-prepares-mass-graves-for-us-citizens/

To make it simple the author is trying to point out that it's unusual that mass graves are being built @ a Veteran Cemetery in Arizona while providing little proof of it's evil motives.

First off by doing a small bit of poking around and actually reading the VA site it explains that this land has been and is still in development. http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=251

The cemetery, which is located on Pinnacle Peak Road just east of Cave Creek Road, still has 104 acres of land to be developed. Currently, more than 31,000 veterans and their eligible dependents are buried there. The national cemetery will provide more than 46,800 burial spaces -- including columbarium and garden niches -- once the 225-acre cemetery is fully developed.

Now this can be confirmed that in 2008 they were seeking contractors to take on this bid and the time frame seems about right for them to begin building.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?&s=opportunity&mode=form&id=65776be32260d87b01595d42c4eee28d&tab=core&tabmode=list

Now in that document the job seeks out for the contractor to put into place 7,600 lawn crypts and infowars says that the "driver" (I'll get to him in a moment) claims that each crypt can hold four caskets. Now I did some research on that and it is true that they will double stack caskets. However, the numbers given by the author are pretty ridiculous since he provides no number amount of crypts that he saw first hand but somehow comes up with the number of 4000 troops or 40,000 civilians. Now I cannot verify that the contracting job from above is the same job that is currently going on there, but it's location and time frame are very close and if it is the same job then his 4000 number is easily debunked.

From the satellite view there appears to be more sections that have been covered with the concrete lids and backfilled to look as if nothing is there.

Well first off I would like to see these magical satellite pictures unless you mean google earth which I can't see anything but dirt on. So yes he is correct for me to assume it looks like nothing is there, but I also don't see any signs of people working from "dust till dawn" and since google earth doesn't' update everyday and sometimes not for over a year or so I'm going to have to say unless he provides this "satellite" proof, then it doesn't exist. I'm not denying that work is going on there mind you, but denying that they are hiding graves because covering up the graves is what you do. Are you telling me they should just leave them open and uncovered until someone is put into one? I know the readers are gullible but jeez..

Lastly the driver...I will assume he is not native to our country because he said this “ I got paid a whole lot of money to speak good english.” which is questioned as suspect. How is that suspect? Lets say he came from another country with nothing and now makes lots of money which can happen when you have no money!

"The Size Standard is $31 Million. The magnitude of this project is between $2,000,000 and $5,000,000."

So there you have it folks...A mass grave site being built right off N. Cave Creek Road in Arizona so why not go visit it? It seems the friendly government agents dressed like construction workers will let you take pictures and everything!

[fullflavormenthol]

Infowars is all about the genocide fantasies aren't they?

[dudalb]

You really, really,Ohnoes, need to nominate that for a Stundie. I am giving you first chance, if it not nominated by tommorow I will do the deed.

[Ohnoes]

You really, really,Ohnoes, need to nominate that for a Stundie. I am giving you first chance, if it not nominated by tommorow I will do the deed.

I almost forgot about the Stundies, but I nominated it's mathematical highlights! Thanks for reminding me dudalb!:D

[Caustic Logic]

Great stuff - they are preparing graves at a cemetary, and what else? I've never heard of this method but it makes some sense, maybe - dig it all out and intall re-accessible crypts - actually kinda spooky given the zombie re-animation programs the Army was working on. This would make it a lot easier. :jaw-dropp

from the satellite view there appears to be more sections that have been covered with the concrete lids and backfilled to look as if nothing is there.

This is hilarious - that's what we should expect to see, but you couldn't from Google earth, which is probably what he's looking at. Lemme guess - the lids are about 300 mi wide, square, and affect the cloud cover in the area as well... lollll

[16.5]

They are preparing for 4000 US Servicemen's deaths???

Considering that 1000 veterans are dying per day, that seems low.

(man those mutts at infowars are stupid)

[malcolmxwarrior]

I couldn't believe they reported this, but none the less I felt I would address and show it for what it really is....Fear Mongering!:boxedin:

The original article is here http://www.infowars.com/military-industrial-complex-prepares-mass-graves-for-us-citizens/

To make it simple the author is trying to point out that it's unusual that mass graves are being built @ a Veteran Cemetery in Arizona while providing little proof of it's evil motives.

First off by doing a small bit of poking around and actually reading the VA site it explains that this land has been and is still in development. http://www1.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=251



Now this can be confirmed that in 2008 they were seeking contractors to take on this bid and the time frame seems about right for them to begin building.

https://www.fbo.gov/index?&s=opportunity&mode=form&id=65776be32260d87b01595d42c4eee28d&tab=core&tabmode=list

Now in that document the job seeks out for the contractor to put into place 7,600 lawn crypts and infowars says that the "driver" (I'll get to him in a moment) claims that each crypt can hold four caskets. Now I did some research on that and it is true that they will double stack caskets. However, the numbers given by the author are pretty ridiculous since he provides no number amount of crypts that he saw first hand but somehow comes up with the number of 4000 troops or 40,000 civilians. Now I cannot verify that the contracting job from above is the same job that is currently going on there, but it's location and time frame are very close and if it is the same job then his 4000 number is easily debunked.



Well first off I would like to see these magical satellite pictures unless you mean google earth which I can't see anything but dirt on. So yes he is correct for me to assume it looks like nothing is there, but I also don't see any signs of people working from "dust till dawn" and since google earth doesn't' update everyday and sometimes not for over a year or so I'm going to have to say unless he provides this "satellite" proof, then it doesn't exist. I'm not denying that work is going on there mind you, but denying that they are hiding graves because covering up the graves is what you do. Are you telling me they should just leave them open and uncovered until someone is put into one? I know the readers are gullible but jeez..

Lastly the driver...I will assume he is not native to our country because he said this “ I got paid a whole lot of money to speak good english.” which is questioned as suspect. How is that suspect? Lets say he came from another country with nothing and now makes lots of money which can happen when you have no money!



So there you have it folks...A mass grave site being built right off N. Cave Creek Road in Arizona so why not go visit it? It seems the friendly government agents dressed like construction workers will let you take pictures and everything!


You did not make me feel any better. Your case fails. Just like penn and teller, you FAIL!!!

[Stacko]

You did not make me feel any better. Your case fails. Just like penn and teller, you FAIL!!!

Evidence?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

You did not make me feel any better. Your case fails. Just like penn and teller, you FAIL!!!


How can someone fail at something they weren't trying to do...? :confused:

I guess it's pretty amazing that I'm still alive, considering how very hard I fail at skydiving... Every. Single. Day.

[Travis]

So, is Inforwars taking the position that outside of genocide there is no need for new cemeteries? They are aware that people can die, right now, of natural causes aren't they?

[malcolmxwarrior]

How can someone fail at something they weren't trying to do...? :confused:

I guess it's pretty amazing that I'm still alive, considering how very hard I fail at skydiving... Every. Single. Day.


How can you be so dense and not see what he was attempting?

Infowars is fear-mongering. Yeah. So what? All of it is fear-mongering.

Still a good read and a good story. It is something that needs to be looked at that's for sure.

Good on ya Infowars!

[1337m4n]

Infowars is fear-mongering. Yeah. So what? All of it is fear-mongering.

Still a good read and a good story. It is something that needs to be looked at that's for sure.

Good on ya Infowars!

So, you ADMIT that Infowars is manipulative and deceitful...and you praise them anyway?

When the government fear-mongers, you cry bloody murder. When Infowars fear-mongers, it's "good on ya"?

[uk_dave]

Still a good read and a good story. It is something that needs to be looked at that's for sure.

Good on ya Infowars!

Then get off your arse and go look.

[twinstead]

So, you ADMIT that Infowars is manipulative and deceitful...and you praise them anyway?

Hey, when searthing for The Truthtm, all's fair in love an war. ;)

[NoZed Avenger]

Hey, when searthing for The Truthtm, all's fair in love an war. ;)

Isn't that "All's fair in looking through the telescope at the neighbor's daughter and infowar"?

We are talking about the same group of people, aren't we?

[Ohnoes]

You did not make me feel any better. Your case fails. Just like penn and teller, you FAIL!!!

Believe or not I didn't write that with the intention to make you feel better. I guess if I fail at anything it's understanding what Penn and Teller have to do with anything I said.:boggled:

You do prove a point I made though...

I know the readers are gullible but jeez..

[Red3]

Someone even "debunked" this on the David Icke forum. (i llke his lizard stories!) :D

Alex Jones/PP seem to be the worst of the worst when it comes to peddling fear. This is almost identical to the 500,00 disposable FEMA coffins thing.

[Ohnoes]

Just a follow up as they are trying to milk this story since someone went out there and took video of the property...All the videos are here

http://www.infowars.com/video-footage-of-phoenix-mass-grave-site/

The first video looks like a camera phone or something...I see the security was intense as they walked around freely past the easily open bar gates with the regular "don't walk around here" sign. However, I give the guy credit for at least saying this..

I am still skeptical about the mass graves being used for civilians, H5N1 victims, or other hypotheses on this issue. I'm not denying that it could be of dual-use, but I don't find it to be likely for this particular issue. Looking at the statistics on current living veterans, it would make sense that they would need this many graves. Many WWII, Korean, and Vietnam Vets are getting up there in age. Gulf War Vets are coming back very ill from DU exposure, "Gulf War Syndrome", and other issues and dying prematurely.

I however refuse to give Alex and his lackeys credit for saying that the director of the cemetery wouldn't comment when asked who was going to be buried there...For one how would he know other than Vets will be buried there? So instead of saying he didn't know they said he "sounded scripted and refused to comment".

I also heard something about that coffins were unnaturally close and it was a irregular formation....

http://api.ning.com/files/OhLNJPLdoErDZt5xyLcuh-L1qQErhmXyYKd6iO8Y7HIEu92uNYgQ4jxOiUpDu6oNlDkgBB2K A6KAiKGXS5nJpDzjtnX2bQ6X/WreathsAcrossAmerica4.jpg

Yup....So ODD huh?:covereyes

[Slayhamlet]

You did not make me feel any better. Your case fails. Just like penn and teller, you FAIL!!!

Why would anyone here want to make you feel better? I prefer that Nazis live as miserable of lives as possible.

[malcolmxwarrior]

Why would anyone here want to make you feel better? I prefer that Nazis live as miserable of lives as possible.

How can I be a nazi when I am black and hate national socialism?

[Horatius]

So instead of saying he didn't know they said he "sounded scripted and refused to comment".




I've posted before that I have a friend who works in the funeral industry. Based on what he's told me of the new company he's working for, I suspect that this guy may have sounded "scripted" because he was following a script. That is, some funeral service companies have an actual script that their people are expected to follow. When you consider how emotionally charged a funeral can be, would you really want your people just speaking off the top of their heads? And when confronted by someone asking questions, I suspect someone used to following a script will tend to follow that script, or decide not to say anything, rather than risk screwing up.

[malcolmxwarrior]

This all seems like preparation for all the bodies that are gonna die in WW3.

[Horatius]

This all seems like preparation for all the bodies that are gonna die in WW3.



So, your theory is WWIII will be so lame, we'll actually have time to individually bury people in prepared graves?


Doesn't sond so bad as all that.

[malcolmxwarrior]

So, your theory is WWIII will be so lame, we'll actually have time to individually bury people in prepared graves?


Doesn't sond so bad as all that.

No, they're preparing mass graves.

[Toke]

Is there a specific american custom of burying ex-servicemen in specific veteran graveyards, mandatory or an offer?

If so there will be a need for some big graveyards, there are alot of ex-servicemen around, and they don´t live forever. And what is wrong with expanding one with predug holes.

[Toke]

No, they're preparing mass graves.
You sound as silly as those fema camp coffin types.
If I ran a deathcamp there would be no coffins, just a conveyer belt to the incinerator.

[malcolmxwarrior]

You sound as silly as those fema camp coffin types.
If I ran a deathcamp there would be no coffins, just a conveyer belt to the incinerator.

Oh yeah?

Well, You worship a jew.:p

Marx

[Toke]

Oh yeah?

Well, You worship a jew.:p

Marx

Not quite, he got my sig right, not so sure about the rest.

[Travis]

No, they're preparing mass graves.

You really want to get freaked out? Go check out the city of Colma, California on Google Maps (http://stable.toolserver.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Colma,_California&params=37.67878_N_-122.455513_E_type:landmark_region:US).;)

Massive cemeteries are not unusual in a country with a huge population and aren't unusual for veterans when so many ex-vets are dying of natural causes every day.

[dudalb]

You really want to get freaked out? Go check out the city of Colma, California on Google Maps (http://stable.toolserver.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Colma,_California&params=37.67878_N_-122.455513_E_type:landmark_region:US).;)

Massive cemeteries are not unusual in a country with a huge population and aren't unusual for veterans when so many ex-vets are dying of natural causes every day.


The CTers will REALLY freak out when they find out about Arlington...
Colma is interesting , though. It most famous Resident is Wyatt Earp, buried in the Jewish section beleive it or not. His wife was from a fairly prominent San Francisco Jewish family.

[defaultdotxbe]

No, they're preparing mass graves.
whats the case for them being mass graves? all they seem to be saying is "they can fit more bodies in the graves if they dont use coffins"

but isnt that true of any grave and any burial throughout history? indeed any hole ever dug? what makes these so special?

[Horatius]

what makes these so special?


Dude! It's on the InterWeb!

[ktesibios]

Umm... the fact that they're installing vaults ("crypts") in these graves very strongly implies that they anticipate individual burials, done with the respect we normally give to our honored dead.

That is utterly inconsistent with the mass burial practices of any genocidal regime in history, which have run more to the "dump 'em in a ditch and cover it over" technique.

That the vaults could accommodate more than one burial implies nothing sinister. It's not uncommon for members of the same family to be buried in the same plot.

Cter "reasoning" just escapes me.

[AJM8125]

You really want to get freaked out? Go check out the city of Colma, California on Google Maps (http://stable.toolserver.org/geohack/geohack.php?pagename=Colma,_California&params=37.67878_N_-122.455513_E_type:landmark_region:US).;)

Massive cemeteries are not unusual in a country with a huge population and aren't unusual for veterans when so many ex-vets are dying of natural causes every day.

I actually lived in Colma for about a year. Know what it's like to live in a town where the dead really do outnumber the living? Damned peaceful. I had to move because my girlfriend at the time was afraid of zombies, even though I have a shotgun and can get off headshots from an entirely defensible position. She wasn't buying it so off we went. In hindsight, I should've got rid of her and kept the house. But as we say in San Francisco, "one day, we all shall move to Colma."

Anyway, if you really want to see a NWO mass grave something impressive, check this out. (http://www.cem.va.gov/CEMs/nchp/goldengate.asp) 139,037 victims internments.

[Caustic Logic]

So, your theory is WWIII will be so lame, we'll actually have time to individually bury people in prepared graves?


Doesn't sond so bad as all that.

No, they're missing the main thing - if you can fit more bodies in there without caskets, that's alarming, but not enough. If people have been cremated, the ashes of hundreds would be needed to fill up each box. That means what, a million, just in that one cemetery, math is irrelevant when discussing evils. Worse yet, people will be cremated by the mass atomic detonations (all planned within by all top leaders, no state of "war" necessary), and just allowed to blow away in the wind. In this case, these "crypts" are really where the elites will hide until we all blow over. See, putting them in a graveyard is a disguise, not a direct clue, ya knuckleheads. Panic Planet denizens are forgetting the rigorous application of paranoia and going for the guttural blind alarmism that makes people nihilistic, stupid and dangerous, in a dumb way!

Thank you.

[Travis]

I actually lived in Colma for about a year. Know what it's like to live in a town where the dead really do outnumber the living? Damned peaceful. I had to move because my girlfriend at the time was afraid of zombies, even though I have a shotgun and can get off headshots from an entirely defensible position. She wasn't buying it so off we went. In hindsight, I should've got rid of her and kept the house. But as we say in San Francisco, "one day, we all shall move to Colma."

Zombies.:D

I used to live across the street from a cemetery too. I thought it was cool and the only problem I had was with teenagers drinking in the cemetery (why they decided to make that their drinking spot I'll never understand) then urinating on my front lawn after they were thoroughly drunk. I was somewhat accommodating at first but after awhile I just started calling the cops whenever I saw kids up there after dark.

[dirtywick]

Everything you need to know is here. (http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Guide-Complete-Protection/dp/1400049628)


It makes sense to build these crypts and burial grounds before there are bodies to fill them with; in fact I'm sure it's a regular practice because a cemetary nearby my high school had unfilled tombs. Either way, the reasoning behind what I'm thinking is that you only have so long before somebody dies and the funeral before the body begins to decay, and building a crypt is kind of a big job.

[Travis]

Everything you need to know is here. (http://www.amazon.com/Zombie-Survival-Guide-Complete-Protection/dp/1400049628)


It makes sense to build these crypts and burial grounds before there are bodies to fill them with; in fact I'm sure it's a regular practice because a cemetary nearby my high school had unfilled tombs. Either way, the reasoning behind what I'm thinking is that you only have so long before somebody dies and the funeral before the body begins to decay, and building a crypt is kind of a big job.

Uh, that is reasonable and logical which is precisely why the conspiranoids didn't think of it.

[Sabrina]

Is there a specific american custom of burying ex-servicemen in specific veteran graveyards, mandatory or an offer?

If so there will be a need for some big graveyards, there are alot of ex-servicemen around, and they don´t live forever. And what is wrong with expanding one with predug holes.

Veterans and military service members who die in the line of duty all have the right to request to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery, from what I understand, but there is no custom, mandatory or otherwise, that I'm aware of that says veterans HAVE to be buried in a particular location. Considering that most people prefer to be buried near where their families live, I'd say most veterans would NOT want to be buried in a particular location, whether it's a cemetery specifically built for veterans or not.

My grandfather was a WWII and Korean veteran who died as a retired colonel, full-bird; as such, had he wanted to, he could have likely been buried in Arlington, but he chose to be buried near the area he was living in. Fort Lee DID send a full funeral detail to his funeral, but that's the extent of the involvement the military generally has with a veteran's or servicemember's funeral; the actual details, such as location, whether they want to be cremated or not, etc and so forth, are dictated by the soldier in question via a living will or other legal documentation. Granted, not all soldiers have those, but in those cases I believe they defer to the next of kin to determine burial rites. It is in no way dictated by the military or the government.

[Toke]

So, offer, fair enough.
Does the offer hold if someone left the military as a private 40 years ago?
That would raise the numbers alot, compared to dying on duty or as retired from service.

[defaultdotxbe]

So, offer, fair enough.
Does the offer hold if someone left the military as a private 40 years ago?
That would raise the numbers alot, compared to dying on duty or as retired from service.
looks like it, as long as the it wasnt a dishonorable discharge

http://www.cem.va.gov/cem/bbene/eligible.asp

[Toke]

Ok, that is alot of people who could take the offer.

[Travis]

Ok, that is alot of people who could take the offer.

Exactly.

Why the loons couldn't think of this is beyond me.

[Toke]

Why the loons couldn't think of this is beyond me.
Two explanations:
1: Don´t know us military burial customs
2: It doesn´t fit their pet paranoia.

[malcolmxwarrior]

Good reporting Infowars! Keep up the good work!

[Ohnoes]

Good reporting Infowars! Keep up the good work!

Nice stick poking there...However, why not add to the discussion at hand?

[1337m4n]

Good reporting Infowars! Keep up the good work!

Are you blind, stupid, or just trolling? The members here have just proven the Infowars article to be full of deciet, misdirection, and lies. There's not a single word in that article that is even remotely useful to anybody. It's useless, fear-mongering propaganda.

[Sabrina]

Good reporting Infowars! Keep up the good work!

I have one question for you, sir; are you just blind, or are you being willfully obtuse?

I have already explained how Infowars is full of it.

In case you missed it, here's my original post:

Veterans and military service members who die in the line of duty all have the right to request to be buried in Arlington National Cemetery, from what I understand, but there is no custom, mandatory or otherwise, that I'm aware of that says veterans HAVE to be buried in a particular location. Considering that most people prefer to be buried near where their families live, I'd say most veterans would NOT want to be buried in a particular location, whether it's a cemetery specifically built for veterans or not.

My grandfather was a WWII and Korean veteran who died as a retired colonel, full-bird; as such, had he wanted to, he could have likely been buried in Arlington, but he chose to be buried near the area he was living in. Fort Lee DID send a full funeral detail to his funeral, but that's the extent of the involvement the military generally has with a veteran's or servicemember's funeral; the actual details, such as location, whether they want to be cremated or not, etc and so forth, are dictated by the soldier in question via a living will or other legal documentation. Granted, not all soldiers have those, but in those cases I believe they defer to the next of kin to determine burial rites. It is in no way dictated by the military or the government.

I even highlighted the relevant portions for you, and made them REAL big so you can't miss the important parts. Now kindly do yourself a favor and admit that you know next to nothing about military burial customs and drop the subject, or be forever ridiculed as a liar. Thank you.

[malcolmxwarrior]

I have one question for you, sir; are you just blind, or are you being willfully obtuse?

I have already explained how Infowars is full of it.

In case you missed it, here's my original post:



I even highlighted the relevant portions for you, and made them REAL big so you can't miss the important parts. Now kindly do yourself a favor and admit that you know next to nothing about military burial customs and drop the subject, or be forever ridiculed as a liar. Thank you.

Good job infowars!

This is better than that crap on CNN. Oh wait, here's another fake bin laden audio tape! HA!

[Horatius]

Good job infowars!

This is better than that crap on CNN. Oh wait, here's another fake bin laden audio tape! HA!



Forget it Sabrina, this one's not worth the effort.

[malcolmxwarrior]

Are you blind, stupid, or just trolling? The members here have just proven the Infowars article to be full of deciet, misdirection, and lies. There's not a single word in that article that is even remotely useful to anybody. It's useless, fear-mongering propaganda.

That's media bro. Get used to it.

Just be honest, you guys are getting all butt-hurt just because it's from infowars.

Infowars is no different from foxnews or CNN, or the New York times. It's a little bit on the fear mongering side but sometimes I like my news that way, depends on what mood I'm in.

[JoeyDonuts]

Infowars is no different from foxnews or CNN, or the New York times. It's a little bit on the fear mongering side but sometimes I like my news that way, depends on what mood I'm in.

"What a strange person!"

[Klimax]

Forget it Sabrina, this one's not worth the effort.

Just troll.

[Thunder]

Oh yeah?

Well, You worship a jew.:p


Just like Jesus. Though Marx was not a pedophile.

[Toke]

Just like Jesus. Though Marx was not a pedophile.

:dl:

Maybe I can´t spell non sequeir, but I have better reading comprehension than Malx.

[malcolmxwarrior]

:dl:

Maybe I can´t spell non sequeir, but I have better reading comprehension than Malx.

What makes your philosophy any better than ludwig von mises or murray rothbard? They're jews too!

Your philosophy has tried and failed many times. Your philosophy had a tragic death 20 somethin' years ago.

What' so attractive about marxism? Marxism has led to the nazis, the soviet union and the zionist regime in Israel.

Nothing good comes out of marxism. It's garbage.

Adam smith won. Karl marx lost! And why is it that it is always europeans that are marxist-socialists?

[Toke]

And why is it that it is always europeans that are marxist-socialists?

Socialists, not marxist.
The reason socialism, or at least some mixed economy that americans can´t tell from it, is popular in europe is that it works for us.

[GT/CS]

I'm in the business. Here's the cover slide from a training presentation I gave a few years ago. The photo is of a typcial lawn crypt installation in a public cemetery.

[Caustic Logic]

I'm in the business. Here's the cover slide from a training presentation I gave a few years ago. The photo is of a typcial lawn crypt installation in a public cemetery.

OMG!!! They've been doing this for years! That means the mass killings are bound to start happening any minute! Must flee country, no time to finish this sen

[malcolmxwarrior]

Socialists, not marxist.
The reason socialism, or at least some mixed economy that americans can´t tell from it, is popular in europe is that it works for us.

Did it work in soviet russia?

I don't like your philosophy it doesn't produce a healthy economy.

I'm pretty sure free-market capitalism reigns supreme over socialism.

The nazi party didn't work out well did it?

[JoeyDonuts]

Did it work in soviet russia?

I don't like your philosophy it doesn't produce a healthy economy.

I'm pretty sure free-market capitalism reigns supreme over socialism.

The nazi party didn't work out well did it?

If you really believe that the only two instances of socialism in history were the CCCP and NSDAP, it's time to hit the history books again there, Stokely Carmichael Jr.

[malcolmxwarrior]

If you really believe that the only two instances of socialism in history were the CCCP and NSDAP, it's time to hit the history books again there, Stokely Carmichael Jr.

yeah yeah, sweden supposedly has a good socialist system and france as well blah blah blah. But they don't they have mixture. No extremes. It's all about balance.

[Ohnoes]

I'm in the business. Here's the cover slide from a training presentation I gave a few years ago. The photo is of a typcial lawn crypt installation in a public cemetery.

Wow very nice pic...Thanks GT

A Phoenix news station ran a small piece on the expansion of the cemetery which can be found here. http://www.kpho.com/news/19082701/detail.html#-

"By doing open-field burials like we do now, we get 700 gravesites per acre. This new way gives me almost 1,000 gravesites per acre," Ellis said.

The new way involves giant concrete crypts. Each one holds four caskets, which is enough for two veterans and their spouses.

In all, the project will add nearly 8,000 new gravesites to the cemetery.

As I feel this is case closed it didn't take long to look at Infowars and find this little nugget http://www.infowars.com/plans-for-mass-graves-confirmed-government-surveying-cemetery-readiness-for-flu-outbreak/

If I could gather one thing from it, it would be that the NWO sucks at cover up their paper trails. :rolleyes:

[Horatius]

which is enough for two veterans and their spouses


OMG!!!!11!! They plan to kill their wives too? The Fiends!

[Praktik]

Geez louise - he really is pushing this story.

More from Jones here: http://www.jonesreport.com/article/04_09/03cemetery.html

The State of New York Division of Cemeteries has sent out “Mass Fatality forms” to cemeteries in that state to collect data about their ability to deal with the high volume of casualties that would occur if their were a flu pandemic or other disaster. The form letter that this office received was dated April 4, 2007 [pdf], so clearly preparation for such disasters has been ongoing for some time.

Along with other data, cemeterians were asked in this survey:

“Should a prolonged mass fatality disaster or pandemic flu occur in your community would your cemetery be able to provide temporary or permanent internment space for a significant number of disaster or flu deaths in additional to your current burial services?”

Cemetery owners were also asked to detail the business structure and capacity of their facilities, including proximity to roads, train lines and airfields. The Division of Cemeteries requested data to calculate the number of acres that could be made available “at 950 graves per acre.”

[Travis]

That sounds more like prudent governance to me. Strange that to make the conspiranoids happy we'd never be able to prepare for any awful event in any way.

"Crap! We have a pandemic! What do we do?"

"Beats me. We couldn't prepare for it because some blowhard in Texas was scared."

[Praktik]

lolz!

[Toke]

That sounds more like prudent governance to me. Strange that to make the conspiranoids happy we'd never be able to prepare for any awful event in any way.
Yes, I was wondering if it was geniue or jones made it up.
Looks like something any good burocrat in FEMA or similiar would do.

[Horatius]

That sounds more like prudent governance to me. Strange that to make the conspiranoids happy we'd never be able to prepare for any awful event in any way.

"Crap! We have a pandemic! What do we do?"

"Beats me. We couldn't prepare for it because some blowhard in Texas was scared."



Google "april 2007 pandemic", and you'll find a bunch of links to people preparing for just these things.

And in the quotemine file: One of them (pdf) (http://www.vch.ca/pandemic/docs/Update042007.pdf) makes reference to a upcoming meeting of the "Regional Pandemic Steering Committee"! :eek::jaw-dropp:boggled::covereyes:yikes::dig:


ETA:

And here's another good one. (http://www.niagararegion.ca/living/health_wellness/pandemic-planning/pdf/PandemicPostIssue5.pdf) (pdf)

Ministry of Health and Long Term Care (MOHLTC) Resources
MOHLTC continues to publish resources for the health care sector, business sector and the general public on pandemic influenza and planning. All resources can be downloaded from their website at http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public/program/emu/pan_flu/pan_flu_mn.html
Some of the resources included are:
General pandemic influenza information in 24 different languages, as well as American Sign Language
The Funeral Service Guide to Pandemic Planning
United States Fire Administration: Pandemic Influenza Planning and Preparation
Pandemic Planning Guide for Employers
Fact sheets on various topics related to pandemic planning
Presentations

[Ohnoes]

Horatius...Did you wash your hands before you posted that? Just wondering:rolleyes:

[Horatius]

Horatius...Did you wash your hands before you posted that? Just wondering:rolleyes:



Didn't you read the links? Handwashing is part of the conspiracy to spread the plague!

[Ohnoes]

Didn't you read the links? Handwashing is part of the conspiracy to spread the plague!

Exactly why you would do it you NWO spy!:covereyes

[Cl1mh4224rd]

That sounds more like prudent governance to me. Strange that to make the conspiranoids happy we'd never be able to prepare for any awful event in any way.

"Crap! We have a pandemic! What do we do?"

"Beats me. We couldn't prepare for it because some blowhard in Texas was scared."


At which point the blowhard then finds it extremely suspicious that the government wasn't prepared, claiming it to be evidence that they let it happen...

Win-win!

[Subliminal]

Google "april 2007 pandemic", and you'll find a bunch of links to people preparing for just these things.

And in the quotemine file: makes reference to a upcoming meeting of the "Regional Pandemic Steering Committee"! :eek::jaw-dropp:boggled::covereyes:yikes::dig:



Wouldn't surprise me if the 'washing hands' part becomes a CT itself..

''The Government's making us wash our hands, this must mean the flu bug is in the soap...holy **** we're all going to have a flu pandemic, all thanks to the reverse psychology adverts of washing our hands to prevent it!''

:jaw-dropp

[hamelekim]

That sounds more like prudent governance to me. Strange that to make the conspiranoids happy we'd never be able to prepare for any awful event in any way.

"Crap! We have a pandemic! What do we do?"

"Beats me. We couldn't prepare for it because some blowhard in Texas was scared."

You don't do something unless you expect it to occur. They are expecting a pandemic to occur. You can read articles all the time by scientists in the field who say that it's only a matter of time before a global pandemic happens again.

Conspiracy theorists only differ on one point, they think that the government/corporations/elite are going to be the ones to engineer and spread the virus to kill millions.

I wouldn't put it past certain groups within government to do something like this, even if the government as a whole has no such intentions.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

You don't do something unless you expect it to occur. They are expecting a pandemic to occur. You can read articles all the time by scientists in the field who say that it's only a matter of time before a global pandemic happens again.


Why do you make this sound so sinister?

Companies backup their critical data not because they're expecting their building to burn down on Tuesday at 3:21pm, but because they recognize the possibility that their building could very well burn down at some unknown time in the future.

Most astronomers also agree that it's only a matter of time before the Earth gets whacked with another large asteroid. Many are trying to come with ideas on how to prevent this and pressing their respective government for funding. They're not doing this because they've spotted an asteroid heading this way.

[Travis]

You don't do something unless you expect it to occur. They are expecting a pandemic to occur. You can read articles all the time by scientists in the field who say that it's only a matter of time before a global pandemic happens again.

Conspiracy theorists only differ on one point, they think that the government/corporations/elite are going to be the ones to engineer and spread the virus to kill millions.

I wouldn't put it past certain groups within government to do something like this, even if the government as a whole has no such intentions.

Whatever for? Purposefully letting lose a pandemic is really pretty stupid since there is no real way to control it once it is free.

[Subliminal]

You don't do something unless you expect it to occur. They are expecting a pandemic to occur. You can read articles all the time by scientists in the field who say that it's only a matter of time before a global pandemic happens again.

Conspiracy theorists only differ on one point, they think that the government/corporations/elite are going to be the ones to engineer and spread the virus to kill millions.

I wouldn't put it past certain groups within government to do something like this, even if the government as a whole has no such intentions.

And there's me thinking it has already happened with HIV/AIDS and Cancer (vaccines)