HepiSmajli's challenge

[HepiSmajli]

I have sent challenge request on challenge@randi.org before a week ago. I wonder how much time it takes to be answered?

[edona7]

HepiSmajli, according to the FAQ, the application must be signed, notarized, and sent via post. Although they will accept an emailed copy (see FAQ point 4.5), it is only for informational purposes. To actually apply, they must receive the notarized hardcopy. Have you actually signed, notarized, and mailed your application?

[Gr8wight]

I have sent challenge request on challenge@randi.org before a week ago. I wonder how much time it takes to be answered?

The JREF is a small, non-profit, volunteer organisation. It may take some time to get a response. Please be patient.

[HepiSmajli]

HepiSmajli, according to the FAQ, the application must be signed, notarized, and sent via post. Although they will accept an emailed copy (see FAQ point 4.5), it is only for informational purposes. To actually apply, they must receive the notarized hardcopy. Have you actually signed, notarized, and mailed your application?


I want to be informed will the case be accepted before I send a hardcopy and involve more into it.

If you have additional questions or would like more information, feel free to write in to: challenge@randi.org.


I wrote to this email adress for "more information" as it is stated to be email's purpose. It was not real application so I hope someone will eventually answer.

[IMST]

Hepi: If you'd like, you can start a new thread in this forum to discuss your abilities and help determine if people here think you are likely to be eligible and develop a testable protocol. Be aware that people will default to the reaction that you probably don't really have an ability. But if you really can do what you claim, we won't be able to refute you. Unless, of course, your claim isn't paranormal.

[Azrael 5]

I want to be informed will the case be accepted before I send a hardcopy and involve more into it.

Yes that would be terrible,all that paranormal ability gone to waste.



I wrote to this email adress for "more information" as it is stated to be email's purpose. It was not real application so I hope someone will eventually answer.

Your application isn't real and you wonder why no-one replied? :confused:

[Jackalgirl]

I want to be informed will the case be accepted before I send a hardcopy and involve more into it.

Hi, Hepi!

The thing about your statement, above, is that the JREF is probably not going to be able to tell you whether your case will be accepted without actually knowing the specifics of your claim. They'll also need to know how you propose to test it, and with what accuracy you claim to operate. In other words, they need a digest of your application. Please do not be surprised if the response is "we can't tell whether your claim is acceptable without an application. Please apply."


I wrote to this email adress for "more information" as it is stated to be email's purpose. It was not real application so I hope someone will eventually answer.

Although none of us here speak for JREF, many of us are familiar with the MDC process and may be able to provide you the information you need. Just let us know what you're trying to find out and we'll probably be able to answer.

However, the most important thing of all is that you go and read the Challenge Application and all of its rules (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html). The points that trip up most potential applicants are these:

- Rule 12: media presence & academic affidavit. You must have appeared in the media -- that is, you've written books, had books or articles or news pieces produced about you, etc. You also must have a signed and notarized affidavit from someone with an academic background attesting, in essense, to the fact that they have observed you demonstrate your claimed abilities and have no explanation for what they have seen.
- Rule 7: you're responsible for all of the costs. If, for example, you want to do a year-long medical trial that includes multiple patients and multiple doctors' before-and-after diagnoses, including bloodwork, x-rays, etc, you'll be paying for (or arranging the payment for) all of this.
- (Not specifically a rule, but covered in the final paragraph) results have to be self-evident under properly controlled conditions. That is, if your proposed test involves a panel of judges deciding whether or not you were successful, it will probably not be acceptable. If this is not clear, we will do our best to give you some suggestions specifically related to your claimed ability that will hopefully clarify what is meant by this.

But do read the rules, and do also read the FAQ (http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/component/content/article/37-static/254-jref-challenge-faq.html). There's some good stuff in there.

Welcome to the Forum, and I look forward to reading more about your claim!

[HepiSmajli]

Powers:
I can turn on electrical devices simply by touching them (like toaster, CD player, hair dryer etc.). I can light a normal bulb or a neon glow light simply by holding it in my hands. Beacuse I am able to apsorb electric power, hold it and than let it go in any part of my body.

I control apsorbed electricity in my body, for instance I can route electric power in my left arm, and than route it in my right arm. If I want I can shake with you and give you a strong electrick shock.

I am also able to withstand an electrick shock of more than 50 000 volts. Just to mention, "normal" people would die from 300 volts, elephant from 7000. But this don't have to be a part of challenge because of the safety clause in a contract.

I have read the FAQ, and I am able to meet every statement there. I need an advice what to mention in a challenge application to be my powers and a little help in writting everything appropriately.

If there is a good will for accepting my challenge, I would like to be contacted from someone of JREF officials on this forum. Because noone answered on my first two emails, and RemieV doesn't answers on PMs.

[roger]

May I suggest an education in electricity?

Voltage does not kill, amperage does. It is trivial to receive a 50,000V shock. Static electricity runs from around 1000 to 50,000 volts. If your hair raises, it's at least 1000V, for example.

Everyone gets shocks from handshakes.

Turning on things by touching them could be part of a challenge (IMO), but this is normally caused by loose connections. Expect to be tested with brand new equipment with physical switches (static electricity can do all kinds of things, and is not paranormal).

Lighting a light bulb with your hands is perfectly scientific.
http://scientificsonline.com/product.asp?pn=3081446&bhcd2=1238702132

Really, I don't see anything here that warrants a "paranormal" claim. they are all perfectly explainable with static electricity.

[HepiSmajli]

Maybe my English is not perfect but to other readers, pay attention to whole post, not only to certain parts. I underlined what is important. My condition is not medicaly explainable.

I can't be harmed from ANY amount of electric current. I can sit on electric chair and stay alive and walk off after that unharmed.

Powers:
I can turn on electrical devices simply by touching them (like toaster, CD player, hair dryer etc.). I can light a normal bulb or a neon glow light simply by holding it in my hands. Beacuse I am able to apsorb electric power, hold it and than let it go in any part of my body.

I control apsorbed electricity in my body, for instance I can route electric power in my left arm, and than route it in my right arm. If I want I can shake with you and give you a strong electrick shock.


P.S. When I say "strong" electric shock. I mean it :)

[roger]

Once again, all perfectly normal.

As for the electric chair, I don't believe you. I submit you have never tested that claim. I call BS.

[IMST]

Note: I do not speak for the JREF.

If you take the challange you will need to choose a specific ability to test. Based on what you posted, the one where you turn on electrical devices by touching them seems to be the most testable.
Let's take the CD player as an example. Would you be able to turn on a CD player with its batteries out or that isn't plugged in, or would the source electricity need to be present? I'll have more questions based on your answer to that one.

The electric chair bit will not be tested by the JREF. If you are wrong, you could be seriously injured or killed. They will reject any claim with that kind of test.

Cheers,
IMST

[HepiSmajli]

Once again, all perfectly normal.

As for the electric chair, I don't believe you. I submit you have never tested that claim. I call BS.

I hold a guinness record for holding out strongest electirc shocks (which would kill several elephants). I call your posts BS. Please avoid my thread in future.

[HepiSmajli]

If you take the challange you will need to choose a specific ability to test. Based on what you posted, the one where you turn on electrical devices by touching them seems to be the most testable.
Let's take the CD player as an example. Would you be able to turn on a CD player with its batteries out or that isn't plugged in, or would the source electricity need to be present? I'll have more questions based on your answer to that one.
Cheers,
IMST

Apsolutely I can do that. Source of electricity doesn't have to be present at the place of challenge. Because my body acts like a battery. I can apsorb electricity from home for example. And than come, take the challenge and turn on unplugged CD player (without batteries).

[Kariboo]

Powers:
I can turn on electrical devices simply by touching them (like toaster, CD player, hair dryer etc.). I

I'm with In My Spare Time on this question: Can you turn on devices that are NOT plugged in and have NO batteries in them?

[Kariboo]

You seem to have just answered that question. Can you describe what you do to turn on a devise? you say you need to absorb electricity. How does that work? What I mean is can you describe in step by step points what needs to happen for you to be able to turn on a devise. Or can you do it at any time without preparation?

[HepiSmajli]

I touch bare wires that go in electric device with hands and it turns on.

you say you need to absorb electricity. How does that work?
I will semi-quote FAQ rules. "It is not important how I do it." :)
Actually I simply put wire in to electric source and "power up".

[Ocelot]

I hold a guinness record for holding out strongest electirc shocks (which would kill several elephants). I call your posts BS. Please avoid my thread in future.

For the same reason that the JREF would not contemplate such a claim I'm sure that Guiness would have similar reservations about publishing such a record. I know that they no longer list records such as most number of people in a mini car or a phone box, for fear of people harming themselves in a record attempt.

Just as a check I regsitered with Guinness as an applicant to try to break this record. In doing so I was able to find out that this record doesn't appear to exist. However I have continued with the application process quoting this thread.

I do actually have a few ideas about how to break you record if it exists but of course they will depend upon the conditions Guinness choose to impose.

[roger]

A CD player which is DC, and a hair dryer which is AC? You can touch the bare wires of either and get them to run? Or just the CD player (which is DC).

That'd be really easy to test.

edit: and let's be clear about what "turns on" means. Getting the LCD to light up would not be a big deal if you had some static electricity built up. Getting the CD to spin and music to play would be something else again.

[IMST]

While you're right that the JREF does not care about your specific mechanism, the steps you take to make it happen will probably need to be part of your eventual protocal. It would probably help us help you if you told us the steps necessary to prepare.

In order to ensure that it's not simply a normal amount of static electricity, how long would you be able to power one of these devices? Do you think you could keep a CD player on long enough to play a song?

[Kariboo]

In my spare Time is right. If there are steps you need to take in order for your claim to work they are part of the protocol.

I.e. if you need to 'power up' by putting a wire in a socket that needs to be in your protocol. If you need to do that for a specific amount of time, if you then need to touch the electrical device within a specific time frame etc. Those need to be part of your protocol.

This is partially to make sure that things are set up to work to their best advantage for you, partially to make sure JREF can set up parameters to exclude cheating etc.

[Dumb All Over]

I hold a guinness record for holding out strongest electirc shocks (which would kill several elephants).
Would you mind supplying evidence for this claim? Thank you.

[Ocelot]

Would you mind supplying evidence for this claim? Thank you.

As I said above I've contacted Guinness. However I should have to wait 4-6 weeks for a response. If Hepi can provide evidence in the mean time it may go towards the media pressence requirement of the challenge.

[Kariboo]

Well I guess this one wins:

RECORD: Worst electric shock (and surviving)
STORY: On NOv. 9, 1967, 17yr. old Brian Litasa touched a live "ultra-high-voltage" power line in Los Angeles and lived to tell the tale. Estimated shock: 230,000 volts.
http://excoboard.com/exco/thread.php?forumid=87657&threadid=1310893

B.t w. are you this guy? http://www.andhranews.net/India/2008/January/30-Nizamabadstand-volt-31591.asp

[roger]

For the record, we studied the effects of electricity on the body in one of my electrical engineering class. Kind of handy to know, if you are going to be working with the stuff. We even studied stuff like how to design an effective electric chair. But, I digress. It is quite possible to survive high voltage 'hits', because the body reacts differently to lower vs higher voltages. I forget the threshold, but voltages in the 200-500 range or so cause your muscles to lock up, which frequently causes you to latch onto whatever is delivering the current, or at least be rendered immobile. In contrast, higher voltage cause severe spasms in muscles, so severe that the body appears to be 'blown away' from the contact. You aren't really blown back by the electricity, you just spasmed very strongly and quickly. This removes you from the current, which kills. Anyway, surviving such a hit is not paranormal by any means, not that it is relevant to this challenge.

[Drs_Res]

Okay, I've been hit by 110v, 277v and a 15kv neon transformer and I'm still around.

[Kevin_Lowe]

Would this ability be testable by having Mr Randi apply an electrical cattle prod to the claimant's bare buttocks?

[chillzero]

Can we please stay focussed on the actual claim that will go to the MDC, and take discussions of other people's records, or the Guinness records elsewhere?

[yairhol]

Hi HepiSmajli,
First of all welcome to the forum.
Parts of what you claim are indeed in the realm of paranormal and I don't see any reason why the JREF will not want to test you.
The test should be extremely easy to do since you do not require any special location, exotic instrumentations etc.
Please tell us when JREF answers your email so that we can start brainstorming your protocol.
Good luck Electric man... :D

[Azrael 5]

This sounds like a cool challenge, I hope this one comes to fruition; if not YouTube is on standby for more conspiracy rants :)

[Cuddles]

If there is a good will for accepting my challenge, I would like to be contacted from someone of JREF officials on this forum. Because noone answered on my first two emails, and RemieV doesn't answers on PMs.

Have you actually applied yet? You said earlier that you have not. The JREF does not accept your challenge, you have to accept theirs. Until you do so, you are unlikely to hear anything much from them.

In my spare Time is right. If there are steps you need to take in order for your claim to work they are part of the protocol.

I.e. if you need to 'power up' by putting a wire in a socket that needs to be in your protocol. If you need to do that for a specific amount of time, if you then need to touch the electrical device within a specific time frame etc. Those need to be part of your protocol.

This is partially to make sure that things are set up to work to their best advantage for you, partially to make sure JREF can set up parameters to exclude cheating etc.

This could be a potential problem. If this "powering up" does actually involve something like sticking wires in a live socket, it's unlikely to be accepted due to safety concerns.

In addition, I'd be suspicious that it's not paranormal at all. As already noted, people are quite capable of holding an electric charge, giving other people shocks, turning things on and so on. There's nothing paranormal about that. If a person claims, a HepiSmajli seems to be, that they can connect themselves to a power source, build up a static charge on them and then discharge it into something else, I just don't see the paranormal claim. The only aspects that do sound paranormal, such as surviving any electric shock and actively controlling electric charge, do not seem to be testable.

[yairhol]

A question for HepiSmajli,
you said that you could make a CD player play a CD without the need for batteries or other power supplies except your own body. For how long could you make the CD player play without needing to 'recharge' yourself?

[petre]

The ability to survive normally-lethal levels of electrical shock is not testable under the challenge rules, as it endangers the life or health of the applicant (the nature of the claim is ignored and standard medical knowledge is the basis of such determination).

Any media coverage of this part of the claim is similarly invalid, as it will not relate directly to whatever claim is eventually made.

With that asside, it is easier to design a protocol that will produce an obvious binary result. With things like light bulbs, CD Players, etc there will be some concern an applicant will claim, "it did light up a little!", and skeptics will attribute small effects to static. In an effort to break from such a concern, and sticking with appliances you've mentioned, I was thinking a clear sealed box, a piece of paper on a small block, and a hair dryer would work nicely.

For the "open trial", the paper will be placed on the small block, with the hair dryer pointed at it (and set in the on position). The clear box will be placed over the setup to prevent incidental air currents. The dryer will then be plugged in, to demonstrate that with power applied to it the paper will be blown off of the block.

Then you will do a "closed trial" where the setup is repeated, but instead of plugging in the hair dryer you will touch it (with your fingers I assume from your description, additional wording may be required to note that you'll do this with uncovered hands, and perhaps wearing a short-sleeved shirt to make it clear you have no access to any hidden power source).

Prior to the test, you and the observer(s) may travel to a nearby store to obtain the dryer, to ensure a neutral device that neither party has had opportunity to tamper with.

If this sounds reasonable, I believe your first step would be to test that you are able to accomplish what is in the design: blow a piece of paper off a small block with a dryer while it is sealed away from outside air currents. If you are able to do that consistently, your next step would probably be to contact a media source (local newspaper, news station, etc) and see if they are willing to give you the small media exposure required for you to be accepted as an applicant. Then (perhaps with help from your media contact) get in touch with a professional (a professor from a local institute of learning will do) to witness your demonstration and declare that you do appear to have the paranormal powers you claim. Then you will be ready to formally apply for the challenge.

While only the JREF representatives you have already attempted to contact can give you official confirmation that an application like what you are proposing would be accepted, I think everyone here agrees it would likely be eligable (with proper controls) and is worth pursuing the steps I listed above if true.

[NobbyNobbs]

Apsolutely I can do that. Source of electricity doesn't have to be present at the place of challenge. Because my body acts like a battery. I can apsorb electricity from home for example. And than come, take the challenge and turn on unplugged CD player (without batteries).




This could be a potential problem. If this "powering up" does actually involve something like sticking wires in a live socket, it's unlikely to be accepted due to safety concerns.


There may be a solution to this. HepiSmaljli, does your source for powering up have to be the wall socket? Could you, for example, power yourself from a battery?

If so, could you drain a new battery by touching it?

Others: would doing so qualify for the challenge, or is draining a battery by touch scientifically explainable?

[roger]

A bit of sleight of hand could discharge the battery by shorting it. Of course, I'd expect Randi to be able to detect slight of hand.

But I'm not sure the "charging up" matters. He claimed he would do it at home, then come and do the challenge. We don't have clauses for the applicant can't drive 100mph to the test site, we shouldn't have to worry about how he accomplishes what he does.

Except for the moral part of me thinks the poster is pretty confused about basic electricity, and we wouldn't want him sticking his fingers in a light socket. I don't know, its not my call.

[roger]

Can we please stay focussed on the actual claim that will go to the MDC, and take discussions of other people's records, or the Guinness records elsewhere?Yes.

This person believes they can survive any electrical input, and proposes to "charge themselves up" at home. I'd say it'd behoove everyone to try to inject a bit of electrical education into this thread.

Or we could just let him kill himself to stay within the forum rules.

[NobbyNobbs]

A bit of sleight of hand could discharge the battery by shorting it. Of course, I'd expect Randi to be able to detect slight of hand.

But I'm not sure the "charging up" matters. He claimed he would do it at home, then come and do the challenge. We don't have clauses for the applicant can't drive 100mph to the test site, we shouldn't have to worry about how he accomplishes what he does.

Except for the moral part of me thinks the poster is pretty confused about basic electricity, and we wouldn't want him sticking his fingers in a light socket. I don't know, its not my call.

While I agree the claimant needs to be versed in the basics of electricity, I disagree that the charging up doesn't fall under the purview of the challenge. In this thread, he claims

Powers:
I can turn on electrical devices simply by touching them (like toaster, CD player, hair dryer etc.). I can light a normal bulb or a neon glow light simply by holding it in my hands. Beacuse I am able to apsorb electric power, hold it and than let it go in any part of my body.

I control apsorbed electricity in my body, for instance I can route electric power in my left arm, and than route it in my right arm. If I want I can shake with you and give you a strong electrick shock.

It's not only the ability to send out electrical energy, but also the ability to absorb it and redirect it.

Perhaps the claimant should narrow down which aspect he wishes to test, but until he does, it should all be considered.

[HepiSmajli]

Guinnes record is more than 20 years old. That is enough about that.

Cuddles thank you on your post. You made good points in post.


In addition, I'd be suspicious that it's not paranormal at all. As already noted, people are quite capable of holding an electric charge, giving other people shocks, turning things on and so on. There's nothing paranormal about that. If a person claims, a HepiSmajli seems to be, that they can connect themselves to a power source, build up a static charge on them and then discharge it into something else, I just don't see the paranormal claim.

Lets say you are partial right. I dont have some layers in skin and I dont sweat. That is mediacal explanation how I can withstand electric current and hold electricity.


The only aspects that do sound paranormal, such as surviving any electric shock and actively controlling electric charge, do not seem to be testable.

Bingo.
Yes, this is unexplainable by science and paranormal. I control electricity in my body with my will. But there is a safe way of proving it. I can be connected for short time on lower voltage source until I "power up" and than disconnect. Than I can hold a bulb in hand. Than I will make it glow for a few seconds, and than turn it off. And than again. I can put it on any part of skin and make it glow and than turn it off repedeatly without lifting it up from skin.

Do you think this can be proof that I control electricity in my body? That I control it and dose it with my toughts, with my will. And claimed paranormal?

P.S. Since you are moderator I ask you after we finish conversation here that you delete this thread. It is offendable.

[IMST]

I think that, instead of the lightbulbs, you should focus on powering more energy intensive devices like the CD player or hair dryer. Those seem to be more testable from what you're saying so far. I think there are conjurer's tricks around lighting the lightbulbs, so you'd have to come up with a protocal that renders such a trick impossible.

[Akhenaten]

Why are we using hair driers, light bulbs and CD players? If I need to measure electricity I use a voltmeter and an ammeter. It only takes a few seconds, and you get a nice precise result in whatever unit you choose, even kilowatt/hours.


I strongly doubt that you'll need the heavy-duty stuff.

[Kevin_Lowe]

I think that, instead of the lightbulbs, you should focus on powering more energy intensive devices like the CD player or hair dryer. Those seem to be more testable from what you're saying so far. I think there are conjurer's tricks around lighting the lightbulbs, so you'd have to come up with a protocal that renders such a trick impossible.

Also we obviously need to exclude the possibility of him carrying a power source around with him. A simple pat-down should do it.

[Akhenaten]

Lets say you are partial right. I dont have some layers in skin and I dont sweat. That is mediacal explanation how I can withstand electric current and hold electricity.




It isn't any kind of explanation for anything.

You have skin, with all it's layers. You need them all to live.

You undoubtedly do sweat, but even if you didn't, so what? Moths don't sweat either, but have you noticed what happens when they fly into a bug zapper?





Bingo.
Yes, this is unexplainable by science and paranormal.


That doesn't leave much, does it?



I control electricity in my body with my will. But there is a safe way of proving it.


The truth is, small electric currents in your nerves are what controls your body. How do you prevent the "stored charge" from interfering with your nervous system. JREF may need to know this, in order to verify that the test can be carried out safely.



I can be connected for short time on lower voltage source until I "power up" and than disconnect.


Lower voltage than what? How is "full power" indicated?

Incidentally, are you claiming that you can "charge" yourself at say, 12v and then illuminate say, a 240v bullb?



Than I can hold a bulb in hand. Than I will make it glow for a few seconds, and than turn it off. And than again.


So can I. A few others have mentioned that they understand how to do this as well. Do you have anything special that you can do?



I can put it on any part of skin and make it glow and than turn it off repedeatly without lifting it up from skin.


No you can't. Unfortunately you don't know enough about electricity for me to explain why not.



Do you think this can be proof that I control electricity in my body?


No.



That I control it and dose it with my toughts, with my will.


No.



And claimed paranormal?


No.



P.S. Since you are moderator I ask you after we finish conversation here that you delete this thread. It is offendable.


We need a thread with thicker skin. We might even be able to use it to store electricty as well as communicate with each other.

[William Smith]

[/URL]Edited for topic

HepiSmajli, have you read [URL="http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html"]the rules? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqt-6qlVGeg)

Specifically rule #1, from which I quote:

"[...]Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result."

Could you please describe how you intend to phrase your claim and the success/failure scenario - especially given the circumstance that the testing procedure MUST NOT HARM YOU in any way?

[yairhol]

I asked HepiSmajli for how long he could make a CD player spin with the use of his body alone as the electrical source. I did not get an answer for this yet (at least I didn't notice one).

[fromdownunder]

Do you think that if he could play an entire AC/DC CD, that this would be long enough?

Norm

[Kevin_Lowe]

If you accuse me of pun derailing, I plead guilty to the charge.

That said, I think we've seen the last of Hepi. He went awfully quiet the second it became obvious that people here had seen the light bulb trick before, and I suspect that's all he had.

[chillzero]

Off topic posts removed. Keep it on topic, or the thread will be set to moderated status, and other mod actions may follow.

To the request to delete the thread, we do not do this.

[Cuddles]

I can put it on any part of skin and make it glow and than turn it off repedeatly without lifting it up from skin.

No you can't. Unfortunately you don't know enough about electricity for me to explain why not.

In which case I'd say that sounds like a pretty good start at stating a paranormal claim.

HepoSmajli, can you give some more detail about how you would do this:

1) Do you have to be holding the bulb, or could someone else hold it against your skin?
2) How long, or how many times, could you light it up before having to "recharge" again?
2a) How exactly does this recharging work? As others have asked, do you need to use mains electricity, or will a small battery suffice?
3) As has been noted, by far the best way to measure electricity is to use a voltmeter or similar device. Would you be happy for this to be used instead of messing around with lightbulbs and other appliances? This would be much better for your application, since it could easily eliminate the possibility of some forms of trickery.
4) Do you need to know the part of skin in advance, or could the effect be measured in several different places in sequence without recharging in between?
5) What exactly are the limits of your ability? What kind of electrical equipment can you make work? For example, would a 100W bulb be the most you could manage, or could you power a 1kW heater? Is your ability limited to briefly turning things on or can you power them for a prolonged period?
6) Would you be willing to be scanned with a metal detector before taking a test?

P.S. Since you are moderator I ask you after we finish conversation here that you delete this thread. It is offendable.

No.

[Gr8wight]

In which case I'd say that sounds like a pretty good start at stating a paranormal claim.

HepoSmajli, can you give some more detail about how you would do this:

1) Do you have to be holding the bulb, or could someone else hold it against your skin?
2) How long, or how many times, could you light it up before having to "recharge" again?
2a) How exactly does this recharging work? As others have asked, do you need to use mains electricity, or will a small battery suffice?
3) As has been noted, by far the best way to measure electricity is to use a voltmeter or similar device. Would you be happy for this to be used instead of messing around with lightbulbs and other appliances? This would be much better for your application, since it could easily eliminate the possibility of some forms of trickery.
4) Do you need to know the part of skin in advance, or could the effect be measured in several different places in sequence without recharging in between?
5) What exactly are the limits of your ability? What kind of electrical equipment can you make work? For example, would a 100W bulb be the most you could manage, or could you power a 1kW heater? Is your ability limited to briefly turning things on or can you power them for a prolonged period?
6) Would you be willing to be scanned with a metal detector before taking a test?



No.

Further to these questions, if you can make a light bulb light, unlight, then light again, do you have to remove the bulb from your skin and then make contact again, or can you turn it on and off and on again while it is still in contact with the exact same spot on your skin?

[Toke]

Why are we using hair driers, light bulbs and CD players? If I need to measure electricity I use a voltmeter and an ammeter. It only takes a few seconds, and you get a nice precise result in whatever unit you choose, even kilowatt/hours.


I strongly doubt that you'll need the heavy-duty stuff.

Agree.
I reccomend parking him on a grounded chair next to a worktable with a wire from each forefinger.

Then we can start by measuring (on the wires) his range of voltage and frequency.
According to his claims it should be app. 3-230V dc-50Hz.

Next would be power output at different loads.

Connect the wires to a 100W bulb and check light level and voltage/current.
Then proceed to bigger loads, 1000W hairdryer, 2000W heater.

My best guess is that nothing unsual will be measured.

[Moochie]

Agree.
I reccomend parking him on a grounded chair next to a worktable with a wire from each forefinger.

Then we can start by measuring (on the wires) his range of voltage and frequency.
According to his claims it should be app. 3-230V dc-50Hz.

Next would be power output at different loads.

Connect the wires to a 100W bulb and check light level and voltage/current.
Then proceed to bigger loads, 1000W hairdryer, 2000W heater.

My best guess is that nothing unusual will be measured.


His absence seems to point in that direction.


M.

[HepiSmajli]

In which case I'd say that sounds like a pretty good start at stating a paranormal claim.

HepoSmajli, can you give some more detail about how you would do this:

1) Do you have to be holding the bulb, or could someone else hold it against your skin?
2) How long, or how many times, could you light it up before having to "recharge" again?
2a) How exactly does this recharging work? As others have asked, do you need to use mains electricity, or will a small battery suffice?
3) As has been noted, by far the best way to measure electricity is to use a voltmeter or similar device. Would you be happy for this to be used instead of messing around with lightbulbs and other appliances? This would be much better for your application, since it could easily eliminate the possibility of some forms of trickery.
4) Do you need to know the part of skin in advance, or could the effect be measured in several different places in sequence without recharging in between?
5) What exactly are the limits of your ability? What kind of electrical equipment can you make work? For example, would a 100W bulb be the most you could manage, or could you power a 1kW heater? Is your ability limited to briefly turning things on or can you power them for a prolonged period?
6) Would you be willing to be scanned with a metal detector before taking a test?


1) Anyone can hold a bulb.
2) About 10-20 times. But I like idea with voltmeter.
2a) Best way is to use main electricity from electric socket. But as I said we can use some other electric power source with lower voltage that is no "dangerous".
3) Yes that is much better and can prove and focus on exactly on what am I saying that I can do. To control and dose electricity from my body.
4) I dont have to know part of skin in advance. It can be measured on any part of skin.
5) I can't power up "bigger" things for prolongued period. I can power up CD player for about 30 sec and play a song. Electric fan can work longer. Neon glow light even longer and glow normaly.
6) Absolutely.

Further to these questions, if you can make a light bulb light, unlight, then light again, do you have to remove the bulb from your skin and then make contact again, or can you turn it on and off and on again while it is still in contact with the exact same spot on your skin?

I can put it on any part of skin and make it glow and than turn it off repedeatly without lifting it up from skin.


P.S. Does anyone here speaks in the name of JREF?

[Ocelot]

P.S. Does anyone here speaks in the name of JREF?

Not in this thread no. To get an official answer from the JREF you'll need to make a formal application.

However the people here are very familiar with what's gone beofre and can give you some good advice to give you a head start on your official protocol negotiations.

[Ocelot]

1) Can you describe how you charge yourself up?
What do you do, hold the live wire in one hand and the neutral wire in the other.
2) Does it matter if the current is AC or DC?

[HepiSmajli]

1) Can you describe how you charge yourself up?
What do you do, hold the live wire in one hand and the neutral wire in the other.
2) Does it matter if the current is AC or DC?

1) Yes I hold the live wire attached to something that gives electricity. It can be electric generator for example, or something else.
2) It doesn't matter.

[HepiSmajli]

Not in this thread no. To get an official answer from the JREF you'll need to make a formal application.

However the people here are very familiar with what's gone beofre and can give you some good advice to give you a head start on your official protocol negotiations.

Why they don't answer on email?

[William Smith]

Why they don't answer on email?

No one can tell for sure except for JREF Staff. Why don't you answer this instead:

HepiSmajli, have you read the rules?

Specifically rule #1, from which I quote:

"[...]Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result."

Could you please describe how you intend to phrase your claim and the success/failure scenario - especially given the circumstance that the testing procedure MUST NOT HARM YOU in any way?

[IMST]

Let me be first to specifically encourage you NOT to grab life wires in an AC outlet.

That out of the way, if you need to hold live wires to charge yourself, I'd encourage you to consider a battery powered TENS unit or something similar which is designed to safely apply small amounts of electrical current to the body. That should allow you to continue with something with an acceptable risk of harm.

[DarleneSterner]

:D

Wow!!! Hepi... what you can do sounds amazing!!! I have seen this done before, no joke. The machines turned on and off at the whim of the controller. It wasn't scientifically studied, you've seemed to put more thought into analyzing what your doing....

I guess Randi, is deeply backed by the scientific community, thus proving "the paranormal" is impossible in his mind... I hope I'm correct about that statement.... But, I have seen what you can do!!! And Tesla came up with electricity that did not have wired power... I know you can do this!!!! :eye-poppi

BTW--- do you live in the USA? If so, where?

[Kevin_Lowe]

Let me be first to specifically encourage you NOT to grab life wires in an AC outlet.

If he's the guy we found a news story about before, he's an electrician. Odds are he knows what he's doing.


That out of the way, if you need to hold live wires to charge yourself, I'd encourage you to consider a battery powered TENS unit or something similar which is designed to safely apply small amounts of electrical current to the body. That should allow you to continue with something with an acceptable risk of harm.

I think the giveaway he's a fraud or deluded is that he claims he can produce AC current. I'm not an electrician but I'm pretty sure there's no way the human body can do that.

[Azrael 5]

:D

Wow!!! Hepi... what you can do sounds amazing!!! I have seen this done before, no joke. The machines turned on and off at the whim of the controller. It wasn't scientifically studied, you've seemed to put more thought into analyzing what your doing....

I guess Randi, is deeply backed by the scientific community, thus proving "the paranormal" is impossible in his mind... I hope I'm correct about that statement.... But, I have seen what you can do!!! And Tesla came up with electricity that did not have wired power... I know you can do this!!!! :eye-poppi

BTW--- do you live in the USA? If so, where?

Sock Puppet much?

[Marcus]

Why are we using hair driers, light bulbs and CD players? If I need to measure electricity I use a voltmeter and an ammeter. It only takes a few seconds, and you get a nice precise result in whatever unit you choose, even kilowatt/hours.


I strongly doubt that you'll need the heavy-duty stuff.
Yes. This should be easy to self-test, Hepi. Determine how much current you can send through a voltmeter, and for how long, and JREF can determine if this is paranormal. People on this forum would also be happy to chime in, hard numbers like these would make everything easy.

[tsig]

Yes. This should be easy to self-test, Hepi. Determine how much current you can send through a voltmeter, and for how long, and JREF can determine if this is paranormal. People on this forum would also be happy to chime in, hard numbers like these would make everything easy.

You'd want an ammeter not a voltmeter.

[Christian Klippel]

Hello,

a voltmeter isn't enough. Actually, if i hold the test wires of my multimeter, it will indeed show a voltage. Voltmeters have an input resistance in the mega-ohm range, which imposes virtually no load on the source (for good reason). However, one can use a voltmeter together with a load resistor in the small ohm range, some ten to a few hundred ohms, depending on the expected voltage.

For the same reason you can not test batteries or rechargeable batteries with a simple voltmeter: it will always tell you that the battery is good. Without load, an almost empty battery will show a good voltage, but with load that voltage goes down heavily.

As tsig pointed out, an ammeter would be a better choice. But only if there is little limitation on what current he can source. He already said that he isn't good a heavy loads, and an ammeter is more or less like a short-circuit because the shunt-resistor is usually 0.1 ohms or less.

And i fully agree with what other have said already: don't touch live wires directly.

HepiSmalji:
Your recent statement is quite confusing:
I can't power up "bigger" things for prolongued period. I can power up CD player for about 30 sec and play a song. Electric fan can work longer. Neon glow light even longer and glow normaly.


Normally, an electric fan will have a higher wattage than a small cd player.

Greetings,

Chris

Edit: Checking him before the test is crucial. One could carry a small circuit that produces a high frequency, high voltage supply that is fed into the skin. Since it would travel on the skin's surface, that can be used to light a regular light bulb, for example. It wont hurt the person wearing it. Such devices can be made very small and its no problem to conceal them.

[LongFuzzy]

Do not connect an ammeter directly to a power source, unless you want to destroy it. You use ammeters in series with a load. An ammeter is just a volt meter connected in parallel with a very small resistor. Connecting a ammeter directly across a supply can blow the meter, or the source. It's like shorting out the power source.

Using a volt meter, how much voltage can you 'output'. You can just hold each lead of a voltmeter to determine your unloaded output voltage. Once that is known, you can then apply a load to figure out how much current (Amps) you can supply. For example, lets say you can output 10vdc. If you run that through a 10K(10,000ohms) resistor, with no voltage drop, then you are outputting 1mA (.01Watt). Then try a 1K resistor. If still no voltage drop, then your at 10mA (.1W). So far, you could use cheap 1/2watt resistors, found at any electronics store. The next step you want a resistor that can handle more watts, because at 100ohms, 10V, = 100mA or .1Amps or 1 watt. Next is, of course, 10ohms. At this point your at 1Amp or 10Watts. Then comes 1ohm, 10Amps, 100Watts.

Some useful formulas: (V=voltage, I=amp R=resistance W=watt)
V=IR (Voltage = Amp * Resistance) or I = V/R
W = VI (Watts = Volts * Amps)

Edit: I see Christian said pretty much what I was thinking. Thanks.

[Christian Klippel]

Edit: I see Christian said pretty much what I was thinking. Thanks.

But somehow i forgot to put the formulas in. So you pretty much completed it ;)

Greetings,

Chris

[Marcus]

You'd want an ammeter not a voltmeter.
I should have said multimeter, I think, voltmeter is the generic term around here. Since Hepi can run a normal household appliance, set the meter for household voltage(120 here in the US) and see what kind of current can be run up.

[Marcus]

Do not connect an ammeter directly to a power source, unless you want to destroy it. You use ammeters in series with a load. An ammeter is just a volt meter connected in parallel with a very small resistor. Connecting a ammeter directly across a supply can blow the meter, or the source. It's like shorting out the power source.

Using a volt meter, how much voltage can you 'output'. You can just hold each lead of a voltmeter to determine your unloaded output voltage. Once that is known, you can then apply a load to figure out how much current (Amps) you can supply. For example, lets say you can output 10vdc. If you run that through a 10K(10,000ohms) resistor, with no voltage drop, then you are outputting 1mA (.01Watt). Then try a 1K resistor. If still no voltage drop, then your at 10mA (.1W). So far, you could use cheap 1/2watt resistors, found at any electronics store. The next step you want a resistor that can handle more watts, because at 100ohms, 10V, = 100mA or .1Amps or 1 watt. Next is, of course, 10ohms. At this point your at 1Amp or 10Watts. Then comes 1ohm, 10Amps, 100Watts.

Some useful formulas: (V=voltage, I=amp R=resistance W=watt)
V=IR (Voltage = Amp * Resistance) or I = V/R
W = VI (Watts = Volts * Amps)

Edit: I see Christian said pretty much what I was thinking. Thanks.
Forgive my confusion, I'm just envisioning using a multimeter on Hepi in the same way I would on a suspect machine.

[HepiSmajli]

What is the address where can I send a challenge application? Address on the application form is different than the one on the website.

On application form is:
James Randi Educational Foundation
P.O Box 21652
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33335-1652
U.S.A.

But on the website is:
James Randi Educational Foundation
201 S.E. 12th St. (E. Davie Blvd.)
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33316-1815
U.S.A.

[steenkh]

One is the P.O. Box where they want to receive their mail, and the other is their physical address. I would send it to the P.O. Box.

[HepiSmajli]

One is the P.O. Box where they want to receive their mail, and the other is their physical address. I would send it to the P.O. Box.

Thanks.

[popscythe]

Hey Hepi.

Post a video of you doing your trick, bud. I know that isn't good proof and everyone will just call it a fake, but I want to see it for kicks.

[Yeggster]

Hey Hepi.

Post a video of you doing your trick

I agree a video would be great!

As you say, no real proof one way or another, but it would certainly add to the discussion

[William Smith]

I agree a video would be great!

As you say, no real proof one way or another, but it would certainly add to the discussion

I disagree. A video will likely serve no further purpose than - using the term loosely - discussion.

A discussion will not provide evidence. Only data gathered from a controlled test will.

[Yeggster]

I disagree. A video will likely serve no further purpose than - using the term loosely - discussion.

A discussion will not provide evidence. Only data gathered from a controlled test will.

Perhaps I should rephrase then .... I think it would be valuable as entertainment :)

[GreenLines]

In the case of the light bulb, keeping it simple, I can see it being paranormal if you are holding it in such a way to form a connection that would power it, but waiting a short duration, maybe ten seconds, and then "willing" the light bulb to turn on.

In the case of an electronic device like a CD player, these require a bit of sustained power, and putting too much or too little, or the wrong frequency (I don't know how electricity works), can really mess the thing up, burning it out, and making it unusable. In my mind if you could make your body act like a battery, run a CD player for the duration to make Britney sing "Oh baby, baby" from "Baby One More Time" from the CD with the song in .wav format, I would be convinced.

[Ririon]

(...) Britney sing "Oh baby, baby" (...)

No. It will have to be AC/DC! :p

Anyway, The Masked Magician did the light bulb trick (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7dAqhcls3E) on one episode, if anybody wants to know how that can be done. (Not suggesting that HepiSmajli does it the same way.) But a video would still be fun. :)

I would have loved to have this superpower. 4.5V? 9V? 19V? 110V? 60 Hz? DC? Sure. I'll just touch the wires with my fingers and power the thing. Or at least verify that it works in seconds. Very handy. If I worked at it, maybe I could even do 3-phase? ;)

[popscythe]

I know! Where was my infinite Game Boy?

[Olowkow]

It's a challenge to explain electricity terms to those who don't work with it, but, I'll try.

Often a water analogy is used. Picture a 10 gallon tank of water. This is the voltage source, or potential. There is no flow, or current, because there are no holes in the tank. That is, there is an infinite resistance to the flow of current. In electricity, an open circuit.

Now, put a small pin hole in the tank. This provides a finite but still very high resistance to the flow, and so allows only a small current to flow. Enlarge the hole, lowers the resistance, and you now have higher current flowing. Blow out the whole side of the tank, and you have the analogy of a short circuit, or very low resistance.

Current= potential/resistance (I=E/R)

The human body has resistance, from arm to arm for instance, which depends on the moisture and salt on the skin. Perfectly dry skin has very high resistance, and to execute someone in the electric chair, they soak his head with salt water, low resistance.

For a given voltage (IMPORTANT: assuming it is from a source capable of providing high current), across the body, the damage will depend on the resistance of the body. High resistance, little damage, slight shock; low resistance, great shock, burning, and death.

If the source is not capable of high current, such as static electricity, even a high voltage such as 50,000 volts may do little harm, unless it stops the heart, since it cannot provide a large current.

And, no, sadly the body cannot store electrical energy like a battery to be used to power a CD player.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I can turn on electrical devices simply by touching them (like toaster, CD player, hair dryer etc.).

No you can't.

I can light a normal bulb or a neon glow light simply by holding it in my hands.

No you can't.

Beacuse I am able to apsorb electric power, hold it and than let it go in any part of my body.

No you can't.

I control apsorbed electricity in my body, for instance I can route electric power in my left arm, and than route it in my right arm.

No you can't.

If I want I can shake with you and give you a strong electrick shock.

No you can't.

I am also able to withstand an electrick shock of more than 50 000 volts.

Anyone can do that, if the current is small.

Just to mention, "normal" people would die from 300 volts, elephant from 7000.

Again, depends on the current.

I know you think you can do the things you say you can, but trust me, you can't. You'll only end up embarrassing yourself.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I hold a guinness record for holding out strongest electirc shocks (which would kill several elephants). I call your posts BS. Please avoid my thread in future.

I checked - the "Guinness people" have never heard of you. Not only that, they have no such record.

That makes you a liar.

[jsfisher]

I checked - the "Guinness people" have never heard of you. Not only that, they have no such record.

That makes you a liar.

Perhaps so, but at least in this, the Million Dollar Challenge forum, I had thought it was more appropriate to help potential MDC applicants formalize their claim and develop an appropriate protocol rather than debate their abilities or supporting statements.

But that is just me.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Perhaps so, but at least in this, the Million Dollar Challenge forum, I had thought it was more appropriate to help potential MDC applicants formalize their claim and develop an appropriate protocol rather than debate their abilities or supporting statements.

But that is just me.

Only for those who are sincere about their claims. Liars are, by definition, insincere.

[William Smith]

I checked - the "Guinness people" have never heard of you. Not only that, they have no such record.

That makes you a liar.

Perhaps he meant the other Guinness people. And doing stuff after ingesting their product. I used to sing - flawlessly - then.

Seriously, the Guinness book would likely not test claims that involved premises like "record for holding out strongest electirc shocks (which would kill several elephants)". I pretty much assumed that from the get-go.

Like jsfisher said, most posters around here try to hammer out a protocol and proceed to a controlled test. Using that route, a would-be applicant is easily revealed for what he is or is not anyway. HepiSmajli's claim seems easily testable, should he choose to participate in a controlled test.