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Flaherty
20th November 2003, 07:03 AM
A new Mormon family moves to South Park and as the kids get to know them, the show features a story on John Smith and his discovery of the Book of Mormon. The producers aren't subtle, either. The story is overlaid with music, and when it has John Smith making a silly claim, the music switches to a lyrical "dum-dum-dum." When a woman in the story expresses skepticism at Smith's claims, the music switches to a lyrical "smart-smart-smart."
At the end of the episode, Stan says point-blank the John Smith story is stupid and can't understand why anyone would buy it. But they also have the Mormon characters admit that they story probably isn't true but they don't care because their religion works for them and makes them happy.
Crossbow
20th November 2003, 07:32 AM
Making fun of Mormons is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
Case in point: Oral Roberts
Visions of giant Jesus figures,
God forcing him to raise money,
Racism supported by religion,
etc.
arcticpenguin
20th November 2003, 07:34 AM
I presume you mean Joseph Smith.
arcticpenguin
20th November 2003, 07:35 AM
Did they mention anything about Smith's phony Egyptian heiroglyphics? I would think having your primary prophet caught in an out and out fraud might put a damper on a religion.
geni
20th November 2003, 07:39 AM
My knowlage of Mormons is limited but is it true that Joseph Smith dictated at lot of the stuff to his wife through his hat?
Hexxenhammer
20th November 2003, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by arcticpenguin
Did they mention anything about Smith's phony Egyptian heiroglyphics? I would think having your primary prophet caught in an out and out fraud might put a damper on a religion. The funny thing was that outside of the "dum dum" music, the story was the exact story of Joseph Smith told matter of factly. They showed how he translated the golden plates by putting his seer stones in a hat and then sticking his face in the hat and reciting what plates said. Dum dum dum dum dum!
sackett
20th November 2003, 07:49 AM
Those fish in the barrel aren't as easy to hit as you'd think. A going concern like the latter-day saints isn't about to tip over just because Joseph (I'm A-Tryin' Not To Bust Out Laffin') Smith got caught fibbing. The mormon elders long ago learned to go bleep! right over potentially embarassing elements of their religion. You aren't obliged (J. Smith would have pronounced it "oh-bleejed") to believe everything in The Book or other of the Prophet's effusions. Just tithe; just hand 10 percent of your income to the elders; that's about all that's required.
As a Westerner, I have a very, very special relationship with the morons, excuse me, the mormons.
Fawn Brodie's "No Man Knows My History" is a good read. Just don't walk around Salt Lake City flashing a copy.
Brown
20th November 2003, 07:53 AM
I enjoyed this episode.
I also expected that 'South Park" would mention a few other, ahem, oddities of Mormonism such as the "sacred underwear," but the episode basically stuck to a retelling of Smith's tale.
I'll bet that Mormon missionaries are going to receive a few questions about whether "South Park" presented an accurate portrayal of the genesis of Mormonism.
Ipecac
20th November 2003, 08:12 AM
I also enjoyed it. I suppose it's too much to hope for that other Christians will learn a lesson about the origins of their own religions.
bjornart
20th November 2003, 08:28 AM
So South Park rips into Mormonism, and has already shown that everyone in heaven are Mormons. Which leaves us to conclude... Aaagh, my head hurts!
Here's a picture of God from that other episode by the way:
MRC_Hans
20th November 2003, 08:32 AM
Originally posted by Brown
I enjoyed this episode.
I also expected that 'South Park" would mention a few other, ahem, oddities of Mormonism such as the "sacred underwear," but the episode basically stuck to a retelling of Smith's tale.
I'll bet that Mormon missionaries are going to receive a few questions about whether "South Park" presented an accurate portrayal of the genesis of Mormonism. Haven't seen it (not much South Park over here), but it sounds like your last sentence points out the geniality of the episode: Just by telling the complete dead-pan, correct story, they delivered the most devastating blow of all. No allegations to challenge, no exaggarations.
"Was that South Park episode telling the right story?"
"Uhh..., well--- yeah, but.. the background music was a bit suggestive... uhhnh.."
Brilliant, simply brilliant :D !
Hans
Hexxenhammer
20th November 2003, 08:50 AM
In true South Park fashion however, in the end, the joke was on Stan for confronting the mormons. Through the whole episode it showed how nice and kind this family was to each other and how they never tried to push mormonism on anyone. It was the other characters who kept asking about it. At the end, all the kids are standing at the bus stop and the mormon kid walks up. He tells Stan that even though the stories might not be true, that because of the Book of Mormon he has a family that loves him and is really happy so he says "suck my balls, Stan", and walks away. Then Cartman responds "That kid is so cool."
End of episode.
triadboy
20th November 2003, 08:54 AM
Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
They showed how he translated the golden plates by putting his seer stones in a hat and then sticking his face in the hat and reciting what plates said.
I haven't delved into this too heavy - but as I understand it, he used the Umin and Thurmin to translate the plates. Which to me sounds weird because I thought the Umin and Thurmin were small OT stones used for prophesizing. But Smith seems to have used them as big, carnival, gold plate-translating glasses.
Hex - can you elaborate on the process used in the translations? I had not heard about the hat. This could be even funnier than I imagined!
Marc
20th November 2003, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by arcticpenguin
Did they mention anything about Smith's phony Egyptian heiroglyphics? I would think having your primary prophet caught in an out and out fraud might put a damper on a religion.
Well he was convicted of fraud some time before founding his own religion, which is part of the reason his father-in-law did not like him hanging around his daughter. Smith had a little business of using seeing stones for some time as a treasure hunter.
But such petty little things as the facts don't matter in religion. The two missionaries I met barely acknowledge it when I mentioned it was genetically demonstrated that native americans were of siberian decent, not middle eastern.
Hexxenhammer
20th November 2003, 09:07 AM
Originally posted by triadboy
I haven't delved into this too heavy - but as I understand it, he used the Umin and Thurmin to translate the plates. Which to me sounds weird because I thought the Umin and Thurmin were small OT stones used for prophesizing. But Smith seems to have used them as big, carnival, gold plate-translating glasses.
Hex - can you elaborate on the process used in the translations? I had not heard about the hat. This could be even funnier than I imagined! I don't know that much either. I know that Smith thought himself quite the seer and used seeing stones to dowse water, tell fortunes, etc. His process was to put the stone in a hat and then press his face against the hat so that no light would enter. Then he could see whatever he wanted to through the stone.
I know Marc has read the Book of Mormon and some other books on mormon wackiness. He might know better.
edited to add: Marc's already on it!
A_Feeble_Mind
20th November 2003, 09:35 AM
What is overlooked by many, and is reflected in the conclusion of this episode, is that it is not neccessary to follow a religion with lies as part of its base to have a happy family. I don't understand why the Book of Mormon was attributed as the cause of his family's happiness.
Hexxenhammer
20th November 2003, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by A_Feeble_Mind
What is overlooked by many, and is reflected in the conclusion of this episode, is that it is not neccessary to follow a religion with lies as part of its base to have a happy family. I don't understand why the Book of Mormon was attributed as the cause of his family's happiness. I suppose because it made them Mormon, and mormon culture made them a happy family.
ceo_esq
20th November 2003, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Crossbow
Making fun of Mormons is as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.
Case in point: Oral RobertsOral Roberts' ministry isn't technically Mormon, is it?
A_Feeble_Mind
20th November 2003, 09:47 AM
Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
I suppose because it made them Mormon, and mormon culture made them a happy family.
But, is it the Book of Mormon that caused that? Instead, could it not be attributed to the ideals created apart from the book? If the family is happy because of the behaviors encouraged by the Mormon religion (not the book of Mormon directly), but hold the book to be hogwash, wouldn't it make more sense to be involved in a religion that doesn't include such silliness?
sackett
20th November 2003, 09:57 AM
So the book of mormon is rubbish but mormonism is a healthy way of life? That's just the old contention that bullscheiss is good for people. Bah. Heard it a hundred times.
Sounds as if South Fark copped out, perhaps under pressure from the latter-day snits or sponsors owned by them. Ai de mi. That's another old story.
A_Feeble_Mind
20th November 2003, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by sackett
Sounds as if South Fark copped out, perhaps under pressure from the latter-day snits or sponsors owned by them. Ai de mi. That's another old story.
Nah, I don't think so; it seems that Trey and Matt are of the opinion that religion is good, but any spiritual, mystical items about religion are nonsense. They had similar opinions regarding the Catholic chuch.
bjornart
20th November 2003, 10:03 AM
The episode ends with a mormon kid being called cool by Cartman, and someone considers that an endorsement by Parker and Stone? Come on, anything Cartman says or does is stupid and/or mean. :D
Hexxenhammer
20th November 2003, 10:04 AM
Originally posted by A_Feeble_Mind
But, is it the Book of Mormon that caused that? Instead, could it not be attributed to the ideals created apart from the book? If the family is happy because of the behaviors encouraged by the Mormon religion (not the book of Mormon directly), but hold the book to be hogwash, wouldn't it make more sense to be involved in a religion that doesn't include such silliness?
Sure, but not many people are going to do that. It's easier to stick to what you know and everyone that you know is already involved in.
A_Feeble_Mind
20th November 2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Sure, but not many people are going to do that. It's easier to stick to what you know and everyone that you know is already involved in.
Too true. I accidentally made the mistake of applying logic and reason to religion again. ;)
Hexxenhammer
20th November 2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by sackett
So the book of mormon is rubbish but mormonism is a healthy way of life? That's just the old contention that bullscheiss is good for people. Bah. Heard it a hundred times.
Sounds as if South Fark copped out, perhaps under pressure from the latter-day snits or sponsors owned by them. Ai de mi. That's another old story.
No, not a cop out. Stan is wrong because he couldn't just be the kid's friend without judging him because of his religion and the mormon kid is dumb because mormonism is dumb. Everyone loses! As it should be.
Marc
20th November 2003, 10:20 AM
Originally posted by A_Feeble_Mind
Nah, I don't think so; it seems that Trey and Matt are of the opinion that religion is good, but any spiritual, mystical items about religion are nonsense. They had similar opinions regarding the Catholic chuch.
They did have an episode dealing with the catholic church scandel and atheism. Under the scandle most of the town turned atheists. Another fad was to reverse the digestive system, it was even declaired healthier to shove food up your butt and... umm.. exit your mouth. At the end there was a joke about atheists talking crap.
Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
I suppose because it made them Mormon, and mormon culture made them a happy family.
Strange thing is I don't see much relation between the Book of Mormon and the mormon culture. The book pretty much repteated ad-nausium people who don't follow god's commands will be have misfortune and be destroyed, people who follow his commands will be prosperous. There was one point where it almost engaged in a good debate where a non-believer confronted a prophet, but it wimped out with the prophet defending his position with "hey, all these people have seen miracles and believe" rather than any serious dealing with the non-believer's questions.
Long on listing miracles and wars, some racisim, oh and biblical litteralism as the Jewish settelers at one point find the remains of an older civilization. Turned out America was first settled by people comming directly from the fall of the Tower of Babel, after they asked god not to confuse their language.
Quite honestly I found the book to be rather bland spiritually. Not even much comentary on social structure. Oh, did have signs of being an american made religion as it occationally made references to liberty and freedom of religion (their religion, not anyone else's)
Ipecac
20th November 2003, 10:20 AM
I was a bit troubled by the ending.
I was also troubled by the ending of the episode where everyone becomes an atheist. In that episode, everyone in South Park gives up religion because of the priest molestations. Also, in a seemingly unrelated plotline, Cartman discovers that if you put food up your bum, you can crap out of your mouth, which quickly becomes the fad.
At the end, Priest Maxi has this to say:
No I didn't! All that's dead are your stupid laws and rules! [the scene is being telecast] You've forgotten what being a Catholic is all about. [raises a Bible] This... book. You see, these are just stories. [the Marshes are gathered on the sofa to watch this. Grandpa is asleep in his wheelchair] Stories that are meant to help people in the right direction. Love your neighbor. Be a good person. [the Williams are watching] That's it! And when you start turning the stories into literal translations of hierarchies and power, well... Well, you end up with this. [shows off the ruins, and then the Queen Spider, then the Gelgameks] People are losing faith because they don't see how what you've turned the religion into applies to them! They've lost touch with any idea of any kind of religion, and when they have no mythology to try and live their lives by, well, they just start spewing a bunch of crap out of their mouths! [The Tweeks are watching. Richard seems to have crapped out of his mouth]
I agree with most of this, until the last sentence. Blah.
sackett
20th November 2003, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
No, not a cop out. Stan is wrong because he couldn't just be the kid's friend without judging him because of his religion and the mormon kid is dumb because mormonism is dumb. Everyone loses! As it should be.
I hope most people will read it that way. But don't underestimate the influence of any of the big religions, particularly one as determined as LDS. Money buys muscle. I hope I mean "muscle" in a metaphorical sense.
Marc
20th November 2003, 12:45 PM
oops, one correction
In thinking about it there is a central theme in the Book of Mormon that is also central to the culture of the modern church, and the fundamentalist sects. That is the highest virtue according to them: obedience! Obedience to god, god's laws, and of course to his prophets/representatives on earth. Gee, like that isn't a nice central point for building a cult or totlitarian organization.
btw, if some of the accounts from 'Under the Banner of Heaven' are true then I feel the need to personally pee on Bringham Young's grave.
c4ts
20th November 2003, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by arcticpenguin
I presume you mean Joseph Smith.
I thought it was Brigham Young.
arcticpenguin
20th November 2003, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by c4ts
I thought it was Brigham Young.
Joseph Smith founded mor(m)onism. Brigham Young led the flock into the 'promised land' of Utah.
triadboy
20th November 2003, 12:52 PM
Originally posted by c4ts
I thought it was Brigham Young.
Joe Smith was the Big Kahuna, but he was killed in a gunfight in Illinois (I think). Brigham was the guy who took them on to Utah.
T'ai Chi
20th November 2003, 12:55 PM
Originally posted by A_Feeble_Mind
I don't understand why the Book of Mormon was attributed as the cause of his family's happiness.
I'd assume because the Book of Mormon defines the core of a Mormon's beliefs and hence is one of the most cherished things in their life.
Hexxenhammer
20th November 2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by triadboy
Joe Smith was the Big Kahuna, but he was killed in a gunfight in Illinois (I think). Brigham was the guy who took them on to Utah. Yeah, old Joe escaped from a couple of hangings I think and died in a jailbreak attempt if I remember right.
A_Feeble_Mind
20th November 2003, 01:28 PM
Originally posted by T'ai Chi
I'd assume because the Book of Mormon defines the core of a Mormon's beliefs and hence is one of the most cherished things in their life.
You would think so, but, from what has been posted here by others regarding its contents, is sure doesn't seem to match, especially with regard to racism and such.
T'ai Chi
20th November 2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by A_Feeble_Mind
You would think so, but, from what has been posted here by others regarding its contents, is sure doesn't seem to match, especially with regard to racism and such.
I'm sure there are parts considered bad and parts considered good. Have you looked for the good parts too?
Nyarlathotep
20th November 2003, 01:59 PM
Originally posted by T'ai Chi
I'd assume because the Book of Mormon defines the core of a Mormon's beliefs and hence is one of the most cherished things in their life.
Speaking as an ex-Mormon, I would say that you aren't quite right. The Book of Mormon pretty much says the same sort of things taht are in the bible, it's only the setting that's different (If I were in a less tolerant mood today, I might have said that it reads like a bad sequel to the Bible).
Most of the things that make Mormons distinct from other branches of Christianity are found in "Doctrine & Covenants" and "Pearl of Great Price" which are also a core of Mormon teachings but, for some reason, aren't as well known outside of Mormon circles as "The Book of Mormon"
If I were the cynical sort I would say that is because the Mormons push the Book of Mormon more because it IS so similar to the Bible; so it doesn't seem like a radical departure from mainstream Christianity to someone who is looking for a church to join.
But I would never say something cynical....or sarcastic, not me.
Number Six
20th November 2003, 04:21 PM
I knew Mormons thought that Jesus came to North America but I didn't know that they thought that the first humans were in North America (specifically, Jackson County, Missouri).
It was an interesting twist at the end. But I think the moral was to be good to people even if they have silly beliefs, but that also people don't need the silly beliefs to be good. Also, while the Mormons weren't pushing their religion much, they did bring out the Book of Mormon and start reading from it the first time Stan was visiting, which started it all, so it's not like they did nothing to instigate the discussion.
Yahweh
20th November 2003, 04:26 PM
I personally loved the episode, I thought it was hilarious. My only problem: All my friends saw it also, now they've become "experts" in Mormonology.
I thought the moral at the end was real nice:
"My religion works for me, and if you cant seem to see me past my religion, well then I guess we cant be friends. Suck my balls, Stan".
Yahweh
20th November 2003, 04:30 PM
Originally posted by A_Feeble_Mind
I don't understand why the Book of Mormon was attributed as the cause of his family's happiness.
I dont think South Park portrayed the Book of Mormon as the cause of the family's happiness, I think they intended to sterotype Mormon's as best they could.
As its already been pointed out... if the Book of Mormon is all bullplop and fiction, then why is Mormonism the religion that gets you into Heaven (I guess God has a sense of humor...).
triadboy
20th November 2003, 04:37 PM
Nyarlathotep correct me if I'm wrong:
After Jesus' resurrection, Jesus took the redeye to SOUTH (not North) America where he met a tribe from the 10 lost tribes. The same 10 lost tribes that were assimilated by the Assyrians in ~700 BC!
Yahweh
20th November 2003, 04:49 PM
Originally posted by arcticpenguin
Did they mention anything about Smith's phony Egyptian heiroglyphics? I would think having your primary prophet caught in an out and out fraud might put a damper on a religion.
Why should YOU care, Mr. I Dont Watch TV I Just Sit Around All Day Eating Herring?
Marc
20th November 2003, 04:58 PM
Originally posted by Hexxenhammer
Yeah, old Joe escaped from a couple of hangings I think and died in a jailbreak attempt if I remember right.
Incorrect, if what I read can be taken as accurate.
There was a lot of trouble for the early church, and Joe was nearly executed for treason, of which he was honestly innocent. It was the mormons who were victems of a massacre early on, forcing them to flee to another state, Illinois I think. They did ok there for a while, but eventually trouble with the neighbors flared up again. It came to a head when some people split from the church and published their own paper criticising Smith. Smith had the people's printing press destroyed. His actions sparked outrage with non-mormons, leading to more problems.
(according to Under Heaven's Banner) Smith was in the middle of escaping into the west when he got word that if he didn't surrender himself to authorities it would be taken out on his people. If the story is accurate he knew he would most likely be killed if he went back, but did so anyway, partially with the request of his (first) wife. Rather noble of him if true.
It was a setup. Sitting in the jail house some other mormons smuggled in guns to him. A mob arrived and attacked the house to kill him. The people who were supposed to be guarding the building had blanks in their muskets, they fired and then got out of the way. The mob killed him and shot the people that were with him, though two of them lived.
Ok, all of this might not be true, but I found the author to have presented a rather neutral view of the mormons. He presented events that show them as both victems and agressors. That lends a bit to the credibility to me
Nyarlathotep
20th November 2003, 05:11 PM
Originally posted by triadboy
Nyarlathotep correct me if I'm wrong:
After Jesus' resurrection, Jesus took the redeye to SOUTH (not North) America where he met a tribe from the 10 lost tribes. The same 10 lost tribes that were assimilated by the Assyrians in ~700 BC!
Even when I was in the church, I never could get a straight answer as to where exactly all these cities that were dotting America at the time of Christ were supposed to be. There seemed to be a belief that all of your old Aztec/Mayan/Incan/etc. cities were proof of the Book of Mormon, thus making South and Central America the site of much of the book, but it was common beliefe rather than official doctrine. I was pretty much told to have faith and not ask so many questions.
It wasn't the '10 Lost tribes' though. The book of Mormon postulates a migration by some followers of a man called Nephi (maybe it was Lehi, it has been a long time and I always confused them anyway). But it wasn't the Lost tribes.
It doesn't make it any less silly though. I could write a book on the silly inconsistancies of the Book of Mormon. I am sure, though, someone, somewhere has beaten me to it.
DangerousBeliefs
20th November 2003, 05:30 PM
Favorite south park skit:
Do The Handicapped Go To Hell? Pt. 2 (http://southpark.overthelimit.com/scripts/411.htm)
(Long Pan to Hell. The entrance. All the world's recently departed are standing around the entrance to hell. Marcie's Dad appears out of thin air.)
Marcie's Dad: Where...where am I?!
New Hellion #1: WHERE ARE WE?!
New Hellion #2: Oh, my God! I've gone to Hell!
New Hellion #3: (Italian Woman) WAZZAPANING?!
New Hellion #4: AAAAAH!
Hell Director: (on a stage near the entrance. on a microphone.) Hello, new-commers! Welcome! Can everybody hear me?! Hello! (taps his mic.) Can everybo...okay! Uh, I'm the Hell Director! Uh, It looks like we have about eight-thousand, six-hundred, and fifteen of you newbees today, and for those of you who were a little confused, uh, you ARE dead and this is Hell! So, abandon all hope and, uh, yadayadayada! Uh, we're now going to start the orientation process which will last about...
New Hellion #5: Hey, wait a minute! I shouldn't be here! I was a totally strict and devout Protestant! I thought we went to Heaven!
Hell Director: Yes, well, I'm afraid you were wrong!
New Hellion #6: I was a practicing Jehova's Witness!
Hell Director: Uh, you picked the wrong religion as well!
New Hellion #7: Well, who was right?! Who gets into Heaven?!
Hell Director: I'm afraid it was the Mormons! Yes! The Mormons were the correct answer!
New Hellions: AWW!
Hell Director: So now, I'd like to quickly introduce your new ruler and master for eternity, Satan!
Wolrab
21st November 2003, 07:26 AM
I live about five miles from Hill Cumorah and the Joseph Smith house (the holy land?) and have seen the pageant several times (usually in an altered state). It is quite the show. As you walk across NYS Route 21 to the seating area, JWs and 7th Day wackos hand out pamplets and try to save your soul (some used to be more vocal but those hilarious days are over). The show uses cool lights and lasers with a killer PA and hundreds of lip synching actors in outrageous costumes.
Joseph Smith had several brushes with the law around here, I believe for fraud (imagine that!) related to his use of the stones.
Several years ago I heard that the LDS wanted to 'archive' all the old court records for Ontario County, which of course would give them all the charges and court transcripts for old Joe. You don't think they (LSD ....er...LDS) would have conveniently lost those records had they been handed over. do ya'?
Anyways, South Park was gut wrenchingly funny and they even did a fairly accurate job of depicting Palmyra.
sackett
21st November 2003, 08:06 AM
Joseph Smith has been called the American Mohammed. I used to say that he wouldn't make a pimple on Mohammed's I hope you don't mind my language, but now I think the parallel has some merit, even though their careers took opposite shapes in some ways.
Mohammed appears to have started out genuinely deluded, but continued on his course cynically and opportunistically as his cult grew, and his power and wealth with it. Joseph Smith started out a con man pure and simple, and seems to have begun to think, "Wull by gum, mebbe thar's somethin' in it! Mebbe I done been in-spired and this's whut it feels like!" Other bunko artists have fallen into that way of thinking; it must bolster their already big egos no end.
Sir Richard Burton, who visited Salt Lake City in Brigham Young's time, was of the opinion that nobody, certainly not Smith, could have established a church and kept it going through so much without some measure of sincerity.
I'm inclined to think that neither Mohammed nor Joseph Smith had much choice: Once you're astride the tiger, it's pretty chancey trying to get off.
Take note that Mo and Joe both promised the faithful a lot of randy fun, Mo in Paradise and Joe right here! right now! And those first Mormons were an uncommonly rabbity bunch: not just multiple wives for the men, but multiple husbands for the ladies, in other words, a lot of polymorphous hanky-panky in general.
You get the impression that J. Smith had both charisma and charm: he was fun! When cornered in debate by learned theologians, he would whip off his coat and cry, "Welp! I don't know much 'bout that, but I reckon I kin pin any of you gentlemen two outer three falls!" And sometimes the learned gents would whip off their coats and try grappling with the Prophet - just for the high-spirited fun of it. (They usually got pinned, because Smith was a hefty bruiser and accustomed to rough and tumble, handy capabilities for a con man.) The faithful loved it, and loved him.
Right there is probably the explanation for the success of Mormonism: the con artist captures the affection of the gulls, and they stand by him selflessly because they enjoy it. I suspect that Mohammed, for all his craziness, had the same qualities of making his cult fun to follow.
Perhaps we put too much emphasis on the neediness of the believers. Hell's afire, everybody likes to have fun!
komencanto
21st November 2003, 04:30 PM
Did you miss this episode and want to see it? Trust me itīs hilarious, I was laughing out loud.
Well, I suppose I canīt post a direct link, just a cryptic clue:
Google. "digital distractions torrents"
komencanto
21st November 2003, 05:01 PM
Based on the rule here:
-Links to copyrighted material are ok, but do not quote the reference in full.
Iīll just give a link.
http://digitaldistractions.org/torrents/South%20Park%20-%20S07E12%20-%20All%20About%20Mormons.torrent
Download that, stick it into your torrent program and make sure you have divx5.
If this post violates forum rules then I demand that it me taken down immidiately.
arcticpenguin
22nd November 2003, 07:50 AM
bump
SteveW
22nd November 2003, 08:08 AM
I never knew too much about the religion but I have studied it recently. You don't actually go to heaven but instead get to rule over your own planet of horny women. Wow! I can see the appeal in this to men. You are technically the equivalent of Jesus on your own planet.
Its just as far fetched as any other religion.
Jude
22nd November 2003, 11:35 AM
Originally posted by SteveW
I never knew too much about the religion but I have studied it recently. You don't actually go to heaven but instead get to rule over your own planet of horny women. Wow! I can see the appeal in this to men. You are technically the equivalent of Jesus on your own planet.
Its just as far fetched as any other religion.
You do go to heaven, except it's not the final destination and it's called Spirit Paradise. As for "your own planet of horny women," I imagine anybody with that goal in mind isn't going to get far enough along to create their own world. Also, that bit of doctrine is very brief and vague, and very few Mormons actually know about it. So attributing that to its popularity among males is baloney. You wouldn't be the equivelent of Jesus either. Mormons recognize Jesus as the literal son of God, and not a physical incarnation. Ergo, you would be God on your own planet--not Jesus. Your recent studying wasn't very comprehensive, I take it.
triadboy
22nd November 2003, 01:10 PM
Originally posted by Jude
Also, that bit of doctrine is very brief and vague, and very few Mormons actually know about it.
Every Mormon I've talked to knew about it. I believe they rule this planet with their earth wives.
thatguywhojuggles
22nd November 2003, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by komencanto
Did you miss this episode and want to see it? Trust me itīs hilarious, I was laughing out loud.
Well, I suppose I canīt post a direct link, just a cryptic clue:
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From the South Park Studios website FAQ: http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/faqview.html?id=13232
August 4, 2003
Q: I was surprised that in the last FAQ you recommended downloading episodes on KaZaa and other file sharers. What are Matt and Trey's official stances on South Park episode piracy?
A: Matt and Trey do not mind when fans download their episodes off the Internet; they feel that its good when people watch the show no matter how they do it.
hammegk
22nd November 2003, 01:45 PM
Originally posted by A_Feeble_Mind
Too true. I accidentally made the mistake of applying logic and reason to religion again. ;)
Does logic & reason work well for you keeping your life & the lives of those around you happier rather than sadder?
If you're married, ask your spouse. :D
Yahweh
22nd November 2003, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by SteveW
I never knew too much about the religion but I have studied it recently. You don't actually go to heaven but instead get to rule over your own planet of horny women. Wow! I can see the appeal in this to men. You are technically the equivalent of Jesus on your own planet.
Its just as far fetched as any other religion.
I dont think that's Mormonism, that sounds strangely similar to Scientology though...
Yahweh
22nd November 2003, 01:57 PM
Learn about Mormonism, see Mormon.org Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/0,8791,798-1,00.html) for all of your (frequently asked) Mormon queries!
Questioninggeller
22nd November 2003, 11:30 PM
Originally posted by Flaherty
But they also have the Mormon characters admit that they story probably isn't true but they don't care because their religion works for them and makes them happy.
When I saw they I thought about their take on mormons when they did "Orgazmo." Very funny.
SteveW
23rd November 2003, 05:53 AM
Originally posted by Jude
You do go to heaven, except it's not the final destination and it's called Spirit Paradise. As for "your own planet of horny women," I imagine anybody with that goal in mind isn't going to get far enough along to create their own world. Also, that bit of doctrine is very brief and vague, and very few Mormons actually know about it. So attributing that to its popularity among males is baloney. You wouldn't be the equivelent of Jesus either. Mormons recognize Jesus as the literal son of God, and not a physical incarnation. Ergo, you would be God on your own planet--not Jesus. Your recent studying wasn't very comprehensive, I take it.
And I see your recent study of sarcasm hasnt been too comprehensive either.
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