So, is he guilty or not?

[Ed]

Michael Jackson, that is. What does your gut say?

[dsm]

A simple "yes" or "no" -- no in-between? What do you think we are -- psychic?

:D

[Luke T.]

Originally posted by Ed
Michael Jackson, that is. What does your gut say?

It says, "Wait until the jury decides."

[TruthSeeker]

He may be weird etc. etc. but he knows that having sex with a child is wrong that is why he was so adamant that his sleep-overs were not sexual and he was so upset by the accusations.

So, did he do it? "yes" says my gut
Is he responsible? "yes" says my gut

Will he get away with it? "yes" says my gut

[Michael Redman]

My stomach says I need to lose some weight.

And I have no idea if he's guilty. I don't even know what he's been charged with.

And I don't care.

Or at least, I wish I didn't care. I do find it a little interesting, I just dread the inevitable overexposure that's on its way.

[Richard G]

Micheal Jackson Flees Cops During High Speed Pursuit!!!!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/288888/46696.jpg

[fishbob]

What does your gut say? I learned a long time ago that a gut reaction is accurate about as often as a psychic prediction.

[Ladewig]

I have no idea. BUT (and this is a big but) there is no way in heck that I would let him spend time with any of my nieces.

The concept of "innocent until proven guilty" does not preclude prudence

[waitew]

Originally posted by Ladewig
I have no idea. BUT (and this is a big but) there is no way in heck that I would let him spend time with any of my nieces.

The concept of "innocent until proven guilty" does not preclude prudence



I think your nieces would be ok...he seems to prefer nephews!!

[Eos of the Eons]

Originally posted by Richard G
Micheal Jackson Flees Cops During High Speed Pursuit!!!!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/288888/46696.jpg

ROFLMAO!!!!!

I just emailed that to everyone on my list!

Why isn't there an "I don't know" option?

[Flame]

I can't say that I know that he's a wacko kiddie diddler, because obviously I don't know.
I wish that I could be a better person and stick to 'innocent until proven guilty' but if I am brutally honest with myself I know that I have condemned him already.

Toni

[Evolver]

Who's bad?

[Some Friggin Guy]

Since MJ is obviously from Planet X, shall we just ignore that option in this poll?

[NightG1]

Originally posted by Ed
What does your gut say?

PEEEETSAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!:)

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Flame
I wish that I could be a better person and stick to 'innocent until proven guilty' but if I am brutally honest with myself I know that I have condemned him already.

Since you are not the judge or the jury, you are free to do so.

I happen to believe that OJ Simpson killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson, despite what the jury found.

MattJ

[Tmy]

Accordingto the media, HES GUILTY!!! Then agian they find everyone guilty.


Ive noticed how Foxnews and Oreilly are really turning the screws on MJ yet they let Rush Limbaugh skate. Fair n Balanced?

[DrChinese]

Originally posted by Tmy
Accordingto the media, HES GUILTY!!! Then agian they find everyone guilty.


Ive noticed how Foxnews and Oreilly are really turning the screws on MJ yet they let Rush Limbaugh skate. Fair n Balanced?

Not quite the same crime...

[phildonnia]

My gut says that he's not guilty, although I don't think he's misunderstood. He is, in fact, the FREAK that most people think he is.

For the record, I think OJ and Kobe Bryant are both guilty.

[EdipisReks]

i don't think he is guilty. freakish, but not guilty.

[TruthSeeker]

For those who think he is not guilty, could you clarify? Do you mean:

a) he did not engage in sexual behaviour with a minor because he is not a pedophile

b) he did not do it because he is asexual or some such deviation

c) he did it but does not understand that it is wrong

others?

[Eos of the Eons]

Is it a white boy accusing him...since they are already comparing this craziness to OJ, Who's to say it won't turn into a white/black thing again?

Yes, michael jackson is african american....yes he is!

[Ed]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons


Yes, michael jackson is african american....yes he is!

Yup

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/graphics/packageart/mugshots/michaeljacksonmug1.jpg

[Eos of the Eons]

He still has big lips, and the rest of his family has more pigment in their skin, so there :D


That's one freakishly scary picture! He wears more make-up than I do, ugghgh

[UserGoogol]

He's certainly very weird and has problems. But a part of me thinks there's a definite possibility that his sleeping with children habit miiiight not include any sort of actual molestation per se. But even then, there's a decent possibility of there being a sexual element to it.

[Eos of the Eons]

I doubt it happened in bed for the most part, that sleeping would be done after the fact. The kid talked about wine, and a room full of toys.

[BTox]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
For those who think he is not guilty, could you clarify? Do you mean:

a) he did not engage in sexual behaviour with a minor because he is not a pedophile

b) he did not do it because he is asexual or some such deviation

c) he did it but does not understand that it is wrong

others?

I'd go for d) $$$$

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by BTox


I'd go for d) $$$$


So, he did not do it (no comment on whether or not he is attracted to boys) and this is all about money?

[Eos of the Eons]

They aren't going settle. MJ needs to rot in a jail cell and realize what he does is wrong....if he did it.

This time around is going to be far more serious about getting a conviction.

[fishbob]

Evidence, please.

Bet you didn't expect to hear this on a skeptics board.

[jim_scotti]

Since I haven't seen the evidence, my "gut reaction" is about as meaningful as a John Edward discussion with a dead person....

Jim.

[Supercharts]

He might beat the rap. Essentially he just has to convince a jury that he really is Elizabeth Taylor or Joan Crawford reincarnated. His role with male children is more of an "Auntie".

[sorgoth]

How are we supposed to know? Does ANYONE here have any evidence for their opinions?

Maybe when I see something concrete, I'll choose one way or the other.

[WildCat]

I have not seen all the evidence yet, so I cannot.... oh who am I kidding? He's guilty, guilty, guilty, guilty!

It's got nothing to do w/ his freakishness, but his actions. It is well known that child molestors put themselves in situations where they can come in contact w/ children - they become clowns, camp counselors, school bus drivers, etc. MJ built a freakin' mini-disneyland for cryin' out loud! Then he cruises hospitals looking for vulnerable children and invites them over to his house and sleeps in the same bed as them!! He has spent most of his entire adult life w/o female companionship, only after the first abuse allegations did he suddenly develop an interest in adult women, and those were very short-term and obviously for show.

And since I'm in Chicago and don't have a chance of sitting on the jury I am free to come to any wild-ass conclusion I like. :D

[Ed]

Originally posted by sorgoth
How are we supposed to know? Does ANYONE here have any evidence for their opinions?

Maybe when I see something concrete, I'll choose one way or the other.


Okey dokey

[shanek]

Originally posted by Ed
Okey dokey

He said concrete, not plastic.

[crocodile deathroll]

One thing I know for sure, his plastic surgeon is guilty of abusing someone with a child's brain.

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Ed
What does your gut say?

There's a rumbly in my tummy, and it tells me to get food! And KILL people!

[Jon_in_london]

Apparently his mummy has said that the allegations are racsist!

Yes I know, My head hurts too....

[gnome]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
For those who think he is not guilty, could you clarify? Do you mean:

a) he did not engage in sexual behaviour with a minor because he is not a pedophile

b) he did not do it because he is asexual or some such deviation

c) he did it but does not understand that it is wrong

others?

I confess, at first I thought, "This is it, they've got him this time."... but some more recent news has caused me to reconsider.

Something about how the boy and his mother were BOTH staying at the Neverland ranch...?

I can believe the guy's a loon... but what kind of idiot would molest a child whose mother was right there in his face?

I'm back to reserving judgement for the courts... I just can't bring myself to draw a conclusion... too much bad information and speculating by the only sources of information available...

So let me answer your question my way:

I have DOUBTS that he did it, because he would be aware of the likely consequences given the situation.

[peptoabysmal]

My criminal profiling instincts say that Jacko is guilty as sin.

And kudos for having the integrity to state this as a yes or no answer. Of course we can't all know all of the details, that's not what you are asking. You are asking for our opinion.

But there was no Planet-X option. :hit:

[subgenius]

Originally posted by aerocontrols


Since you are not the judge or the jury, you are free to do so.

I happen to believe that OJ Simpson killed Ron Goldman and Nicole Simpson, despite what the jury found.

MattJ
Yes. People confuse the burden of proof in court with normal common sense we use in day to day life. You are free to reach conclusions. They are better or worse depending on the validity of the bases.
Anyone who would let their kids sleep with him because a jury hasn't convicted him would be an idiot of the blithering variety.

[WildCat]

Originally posted by subgenius
Anyone who would let their kids sleep with him because a jury hasn't convicted him would be an idiot of the blithering variety.
As would any girl who goes out w/ OJ and has the nerve to see anyone else after they're history.

[BTox]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker



So, he did not do it (no comment on whether or not he is attracted to boys) and this is all about money?

Yes.

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by Richard G
Micheal Jackson Flees Cops During High Speed Pursuit!!!!

http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-7/288888/46696.jpg

Jackson settles out of court!!
http://www.disinfotainmenttoday.com/darenet/jackson.htm

[No Answers]

Originally posted by shanek


He said concrete, not plastic.

:D Har!

[hgc]

I think he did it, but...

I can't wait to hear more about the therapist who heard the allegation for the first time from the child. The defense is going to rake her over the coals. I will want to hear the lawyer who recommended the therapist (if the lawyer recommended this particular therapist, or just therapy in general), the record of this therapist in uncovering childhood abuse in other children, etc. You know where I'm going with this: There're are plenty of examples of 'therapists' dragging allegations of abuse out of thin air, with effectively directed questions, etc.

On the other hand, I heard Jack Gordon (LaToya's ex-husband -- take it for what it's worth) on TV last night. He said he saw examples of these children at MJ's ranch, who would go into the bedroom for days at a time, and where happy children before and despondent after. Who on Earth could stand around and let that lunatic take a child into his room for days at a time?

[Valiant Dancer]

Originally posted by Ed
Michael Jackson, that is. What does your gut say?

My gut says, "feed me".

My opinion on the MJ pediophile bit is that he bought his way out of it in 93. I don't think he'll be so lucky this time. Further stuff I've read indicate that the childs psychologist reported the abuse. It also makes me think the kid's parents pimped him to MJ. After all, $20 million USD made the first allegation go away.

Why anyone would allow their children to stay overnight in MJ's bed that are not a direct family member after the 93 dust up is beyond me.

But, I am all for the King of Pop to make full use of his Sixth Amendment rights, just in case I'm wrong.

[subgenius]

No parent in their right mind would let a child sleep over a 45 year old man's house, before the 93 thing, after, just because he acts like a little girl, because he's famous and rich, or for any other reason. Its not healthy much less prudent.
And no normal adult wants to sleep with a child.

[subgenius]

Oh no. The pedophile will probably get off because of the victim's family's history:

The kid at the center of the Michael Jackson sex case allegedly tried to steal clothes from a California store on orders from his father when he was just 8, court records reveal.
The shoplifting turned violent when security guards grabbed the boy and his mother fought them, the papers said. They were arrested and charged with burglary.

A police report on the Aug. 27, 1998, incident said security guards caught up with the boy in the parking lot, where they wound up fighting with the boy and his parents. His mother was handcuffed.

The troubled family then sued the JCPenney store in West Covina, about 30 miles east of Los Angeles, alleging they were severely beaten and falsely arrested. In the suit, the family claimed the boy suffered a "sprained arm, nightmares and emotional distress."
....
As part of the settlement, charges against the family were dropped. The family collected $200,000, but the couple divorced a short time later after bickering over the money.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/140025p-124183c.html

[DaChew]

I don't think having sex with children is actually a crime so why the poll? It can't be a crime at least in California or why would all those Hollywood folks give standing ovations to Woody Allen and Roman Polanski? Surely pedophiles must be misunderstood heroes like the Incredible Hulk. Unless it's OK for grown men to have sex with young girls but not boys.

[boooeee]

Originally Posted by DaChew
I don't think having sex with children is actually a crime so why the poll? It can't be a crime at least in California or why would all those Hollywood folks give standing ovations to Woody Allen and Roman Polanski? Surely pedophiles must be misunderstood heroes like the Incredible Hulk. Unless it's OK for grown men to have sex with young girls but not boys.
No no no, you've got it all wrong.

It's okay for directors to sleep with children. Michael Jackson is not going to cast you in his next big project, so he is a sick pervert. Polanski and Woody, on the other hand, are just misunderstood visionaries.

[TruthSeeker]

Probably MJ preys on children from dysfunctional, low income homes so that any allegations of sexual abuse can easily be re-cast as attempts by a poor and/or chaotic family to get rich.

Amazing that his rich "boy" friends deny sexual abuse ~ Macauley Caulkin and Deepak Chopra's son. He probably knows better than to abuse someone who wouldn't fit with the greed hypothesis.

I feel so cynical and jaded today.

[subgenius]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker
Probably MJ preys on children from dysfunctional, low income homes so that any allegations of sexual abuse can easily be re-cast as attempts by a poor and/or chaotic family to get rich.

Amazing that his rich "boy" friends deny sexual abuse ~ Macauley Caulkin and Deepak Chopra's son. He probably knows better than to abuse someone who wouldn't fit with the greed hypothesis.

I feel so cynical and jaded today.
I think there's a lot of truth in what you say.
He can cite a number of high profiles that will say, "He never did anything to me."
Like Scientology that has a number of celebs that they shield from the horrible facts and weirdness.

[DaChew]

Michael Jackson is not going to cast you in his next big project, so he is a sick pervert.

If I didn't know better I might accuse you of implying hypocrisy here and, of course, THAT would be Mcarthyite Hollywood Bashing. So I'm just going to assume you left out a smilie or something.

[phildonnia]

Originally posted by subgenius
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/140025p-124183c.html

Thanks for sharing this info; you've changed my mind. My vote remains a "No", but I wish also to add the $$$ sub-option.