First Core of Corruption Film Released!

[Galileo]

First Core of Corruption Film Released!

Core Of Corruption: In The Shadows (1st of 5 Films)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4874421830690006054&ei=j9fUSebBIobQ-wGij73rCw&q=Core+of+Corruption&hl=en

Official Core of Corruption Website
http://www.coreofcorruption.com/

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.

[dtugg]

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!

You mean it's complete BS? Cool. Thanks for letting me know. I won't have to waste my time watching it then.

[Brainster]

Yep, this is the one that everybody in the NWO cafeteria has been worried about for the last few months. I know I've got my bags packed and the ticket to Venezuela is on the table by the front door.

[ravdin]

Yep, this is the one that everybody in the NWO cafeteria has been worried about for the last few months. I know I've got my bags packed and the ticket to Venezuela is on the table by the front door.

No worries, Brainster. I hear that upstairs they've carefully worked out a disinformation campaign to make sure that nobody will pay attention to the movie.

[Galileo]

You mean it's complete BS? Cool. Thanks for letting me know. I won't have to waste my time watching it then.

It might be BS. It uses Bush, Cheney, Fox News, ABC and NBC as sources. Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!

[Galileo]

Yep, this is the one that everybody in the NWO cafeteria has been worried about for the last few months. I know I've got my bags packed and the ticket to Venezuela is on the table by the front door.

how does this prove that bin Laden did 9/11?

[Corsair 115]

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!


I won't, because there isn't one. A cat, perhaps, is behind the curtain, but not a man.

[Pardalis]

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!

Thanks for the warning, I was about to click on the link.

[GStan]

Well, the film has at least 50 facts in it for sure. It says so right here (http://coreofcorruption.com/index.php/?page_id=26). They couldn't say that if they weren't really facts.

[Galileo]

Well, the film has at least 50 facts in it for sure. It says so right here (http://coreofcorruption.com/index.php/?page_id=26). They couldn't say that if they weren't really facts.

Great Satan;

You are the first in this rational forum to come close to making a rational comment.

[beachnut]

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.
Must be extreme idiot experts with no brains. A few good dolts. Name the many experts, source it, list them (the film used this same failed logic)!

Yes films dumb enough to be believed by dirt dumb neoNAZI white power idiots. And you have clearly placed this piece of junk video in the same lies, hearsay, fantasy, and bias junk as Loose Change, Zeitgiest, Zero and the Obama Deception. Films so dumb you clearly see the light and exposed these lies for us; Bravo

What cover-up?

Great for Monday morning quarterbacks and idiots who like to apologize for the terrorists. Good find, do you know any idiot idea believers who fell for this tripe? OMG, even the Governator is in on it. Wowzer. Great find, now do you know any halfwit idea believers who fall for this tripe?

[SteveAustin]

Thanks Galileo, I had seen this one posted many places over the past week but kept forgeting about it.

I will have to watch it over the weekend if I have time. Sounds like a great movie.

Isn't it interesting how the OCTopie around here say they will not even bother to watch it! Guess they know the truth that the Official Conspiracy Theory is a bald faced lie but do not want to admit it to themselves and would find watching a movie such as this painful because the truth hurts when you have so much vested in your fairy tales.

[Brainster]

how does this prove that bin Laden did 9/11?

Tim Osman, you mean?

:rolleyes:

I see the film begins with Dr David Graham; yet another conman that Sander Hicks fell in love with. Looks like Elinoff is hustling towards LIHOP.

[Myriad]

This is just the start of a whole system for alignment bonuses to buildings, that I hear is being play-tested for the next edition of AD&D. For instance if you start with a Core of Corruption anchored to Foundations of Foulness with Bolts of Betrayal, and then add Columns of Calumny (with Flanges of Falsehood), Trusses of Treachery, Spandrels of Spite, Joists of Judaism, Stairwells of Stealth, a Lobby of Lies, Sky Lobbies of Skullduggery, Floors of Flimflam, Doors of Deceitfulness, Windows of Warmongering, and a Hat Truss of Hypocrisy, you can create a +23 evil-aligned Dark Tower. If you add Evilators running in Shafts of Shenanigans you get +24% on rents from neutral or evil tenants.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[Drudgewire]

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!


You forgot "Plan 9 From Outer Space." http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/eng101.gif

[Newtons Bit]

Yes but you think Bin Laden one of the main people responsible for 9/11, so when it comes to fantasy land you have him beat.

If Bin Laden isn't responsible for 9/11, than Bush isn't responsible for the Iraq War.

[Galileo]

You forgot "Plan 9 From Outer Space." http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/eng101.gif

you have no respect for Fox News.

[Galileo]

Yeah, I'm sure your busy schedule of not taking your damning evidence of mass murder to the proper authorities is quite demanding.

The authorities did 9/11, real smart idea, mate.

[beachnut]

You're just upset that the people who committed mass murder were caught in the act. I've never seen a more sour grapes in my life. You are ignorant of the film because you have not watched it yet.

The experts all disagree with you. You would do yourself well if you listened to the experts more often.
List the many experts; you are just like the film; telling lies. Sources gullible Galileo. Got source for your many experts?

I watched the lies, fantasy, false ideas, hearsay, and the same want to be like "The Da Vinci Code" mentality to fool gullible people with no knowledge and weak repeat anything dumbness found in 911Truth cult members who love lies and fantasy.

Sour grapes? This is why the idiots made the film; they are losers and need to fool those who lack knowledge to sell their point. You fell for it due to your complete lack of knowledge on 911. So?

They add my Governor, the terminator to the list of bad guys. The film is so bad, it can only be embraced by real dumb people on 911 issues. You can use this film to screen people.

This is self-critiquing; you can't defend any of the innuendo and tripe in the film.

Cobert Report is source for the film; oops they may be on to something! Wowzer

Wow, when will this perfect piece of tripe earn the Pulitzer Prize? Any clue? Never!. Good job G man.

[Alt+F4]

Well, the film has at least 50 facts in it for sure. It says so right here (http://coreofcorruption.com/index.php/?page_id=26). They couldn't say that if they weren't really facts.

And every single one of those "facts" have been debunked years ago, numerous times. Nothing new here.

[Alt+F4]

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.

Which experts?

[SteveAustin]

The authorities did 9/11, real smart idea, mate.

LOL, isn't it!!!

Just like Splitting The Sky who attempted to do his civic duty and make a citizens arrest on GWB last week in Calgary because there is enough evidence to start legal procedings against GWB as a war criminal. But the authorities instead beat the crap out of him and protected the war criminal.

But all these OCTopie think that is a smart (more like smart a**) comeback. Shows what world they really live in.

Folks wake up, it's 1984 already. The hammer has come down, and the path is irreversable at this point. You reap what you sow.

[dtugg]

Folks wake up, it's 1984 already. The hammer has come down, and the path is irreversable at this point. You reap what you sow.

I guess agents for Big Brother are going to be bursting through your door to take you to a reeducation camp any minute now for telling the world about how evil he is. Seriously. I work for him.

[16.5]

Yes but you think Bin Laden one of the main people responsible for 9/11, so when it comes to fantasy land you have him beat.

Uh oh, the Clone has stepped on his OP already. From the linked web site:

"That being said, we have not proven it beyond the shadow of doubt. We do not have documentation that shows they planned it. We do not have a signed confession from someone. We have pieces of the puzzle, and to most of us that have been doing this a long time, those pieces point to more than just Osama Bin Laden, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, and 19 hijackers."

Uh, "more than just" OSM, that shows that OSM was involved, yes? It seems your video is then, in your opinion, "fantasy land."

Cool! Ace debunking, Clone.

[GStan]

And every single one of those "facts" have been debunked years ago, numerous times. Nothing new here.
I forgot to put my smilie in my post.:p:D

[Drudgewire]

Folks wake up, it's 1984 already.


It was 1984 25 years ago. "Already" may not be the most apt description. :p


Which experts?


http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/smOCC3.jpg

[dudalb]

This is just the start of a whole system for alignment bonuses to buildings, that I hear is being play-tested for the next edition of AD&D. For instance if you start with a Core of Corruption anchored to Foundations of Foulness with Bolts of Betrayal, and then add Columns of Calumny (with Flanges of Falsehood), Trusses of Treachery, Spandrels of Spite, Joists of Judaism, Stairwells of Stealth, a Lobby of Lies, Sky Lobbies of Skullduggery, Floors of Flimflam, Doors of Deceitfulness, Windows of Warmongering, and a Hat Truss of Hypocrisy, you can create a +23 evil-aligned Dark Tower. If you add Evilators running in Shafts of Shenanigans you get +24% on rents from neutral or evil tenants.

Respectfully,
Myriad

Wow, great post.
I love the alliteration. Reminds me of the good old days of Stan Lee and "Stan's Soapbox" in Marvel comics.
Stan was..and is..an all time master of alliteration.

[beachnut]

LOL, isn't it!!!

Just like Splitting The Sky who attempted to do his civic duty and make a citizens arrest on GWB last week in Calgary because there is enough evidence to start legal procedings against GWB as a war criminal. But the authorities instead beat the crap out of him and protected the war criminal.

But all these OCTopie think that is a smart (more like smart a**) comeback. Shows what world they really live in.

Folks wake up, it's 1984 already. The hammer has come down, and the path is irreversable at this point. You reap what you sow.
Opie? This is your evidence? Or a weak, very weak insult? Actually a compliment?

Hammer? Thor?

Reap what you sow? You sow delusions, what will you reap? More stupid ideas?

Bush is not president any more, you can relax now. Bias must blind you guys.

Got evidence? Dr Jones was in the film; there goes the credibility save a few who believe his nut case ideas.

[Alt+F4]

Just like Splitting The Sky who attempted to do his civic duty and make a citizens arrest on GWB last week in Calgary because there is enough evidence to start legal procedings against GWB as a war criminal. But the authorities instead beat the crap out of him and protected the war criminal.

I hope they threw John Hill's :rule10 back in prison after they beat the crap out of him, he's used to it.

You go Calgary PD!

LOL

[Galileo]

So all the news clips in this film are debunked? Good. I never believed what the mass media says anyway.

[Pardalis]

So all the news clips in this film are debunked? Good. I never believed what the mass media says anyway.

Of course, human cloning has never been reported before, so why should you?

[beachnut]

So all the news clips in this film are debunked? Good. I never believed what the mass media says anyway.
What a pathetic film! The lies flow so heavy, but the film lets the viewer make the lies up their own paranoid weak minds. Like watching NAZI propaganda so young kids and biased dirt dumb men will hate the government more. The film is dumb enough to be a white power recruiting film or some right wing militia group recruitment for people like Tim McVeigh; dirt dumb. They even blame Jews. They failed to miss anything that real dumb people love to see and hear. How low can 911Truth go? How wrong, how dumb, does something have to be before you can be rational and recognize the lies as you apologize by supporting this failed film?

Too bad the OP author can’t support the film conclusions with evidence. What was the conclusion? It looks like they want the view to make up the lies and delusions with the loosely grouped junk ideas.

I love the dirt dumb van with explosives in the basement to weaken the structure. There was no explosion from explosives planted in the basement. This was debunked, your film is complete trash already debunked years ago; you never watched the film. LOL

Is this film trying to be more wrong than other films on 911? They failed it is complete rehash and someone has a short memory and thinks this is new.

By comparing the OCK bombing to WTC the film proved WTC7 was not bombed. How ironic. Did you watch this tripe or just blindly posts it? How do you know it supports your lies and delusions?

Fiction film not as good as The Da Vinci Code! Two thumbs down

Just like 911Truth bringing fiction to a fact fight!

[911files]

First Core of Corruption Film Released

Core Of Corruption: In The Shadows (1st of 5 Films)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4874421830690006054&ei=j9fUSebBIobQ-wGij73rCw&q=Core+of+Corruption&hl=en

Official Core of Corruption Website
http://www.coreofcorruption.com/

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.

Yes, it has already joined the legendary ranks of garbage videos I have not and will not watch.

[beachnut]

I just posted it. I figured the JREF folk would tell me what's in it. So far, it is getting rave reviews. Now if only I could get Hitler and Stalin to attack the film. Sigh.
It is what Hitler would use if he were in 911Truth to spread his lies by using the weak-minded believers to take the implied lies and spread them as gospel.

A dirt dumb film; perfect for those who lack knowledge and love to make up lies about 911.

I have to report them for putting in the “Princess Bride” cuts and trying to gain credibility by using a reality story, “Princess Bride” in a fiction film of delusions and failed ideas on 911.

The best part of the film for me was the “Princess Bride” cuts! Outstanding! Time to report the dirt dumb film for messing up a good film with trash ideas, and idiotic delusions.

[Alt+F4]

Now if only I could get Hitler and Stalin to attack the film.

Well I don't know about Stalin, but I'm sure Hitler was cloned. I saw it in a movie so it's got to be true. We will just have to wait for Neo-Hitler's review.

[Galileo]

It is what Hitler would use if he were in 911Truth to spread his lies by using the weak-minded believers to take the implied lies and spread them as gospel.

A dirt dumb film; perfect for those who lack knowledge and love to make up lies about 911.

I have to report them for putting in the “Princess Bride” cuts and trying to gain credibility by using a reality story, “Princess Bride” in a fiction film of delusions and failed ideas on 911.

The best part of the film for me was the “Princess Bride” cuts! Outstanding! Time to report the dirt dumb film for messing up a good film with trash ideas, and idiotic delusions.

People can choose to either believe Galileo or a nut.

[beachnut]

It was 1984 25 years ago. "Already" may not be the most apt description. :p


http://www.lethalwrestling.com/upload/smOCC3.jpg

That settles the case! These experts endorse the film, as 100 percent pure!

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/3sfiremen4t.jpg
And the firemen for 911Truth&Trolls agree...



Waiting for Galileo’s list of experts who said the pre-debunked film was debunkproof.

List? When?

[Praktik]

reading the "see the evidence" page on their site it doesn't really seem to be much of a MIHOP case - or is there more of that in film?

Going by the "see the evidence" page it looks like they're talking a lot about foreknowledge and LIHOP stuff.

[A W Smith]

Yes but you think Bin Laden one of the main people responsible for 9/11, so when it comes to fantasy land you have him beat.

Well apparently Arab Mujahid fighter Abu Ammar thinks so.
http://www.pbs.org/independentlens/recycle/

You will have to watch this "independent lens" film and read the subtitles as I have no transcript. But the political discussions Abu Ammar and his fellow Mujahid fighters have around tea are quite enlightening. Perhaps you would like to contact those who are actually living in the midst of the fallout from 911 and set the record straight for them mister "Steve Austin"???

[16.5]

This is a 5-part film. Only part one is out.

So we agree you debunked Part 1, super! We can revisit this thread when Part II comes out, and you can debunk it again.

[Brainster]

So all the news clips in this film are debunked? Good. I never believed what the mass media says anyway.

Schizophrenic reasoning is common in the "Truth Movement".

"The mainstream media won't report this! Watch this Dan Rather clip from CBS News!"

"I don't trust Fox News! But Carl Cameron reported on the Israeli Art Students, so it must be true!"

To most of us, believing in A and Not A at the same time is impossible. But Truthers do it all the time.

[Galileo]

Schizophrenic reasoning is common in the "Truth Movement".

"The mainstream media won't report this! Watch this Dan Rather clip from CBS News!"

"I don't trust Fox News! But Carl Cameron reported on the Israeli Art Students, so it must be true!"

To most of us, believing in A and Not A at the same time is impossible. But Truthers do it all the time.

Brainstem;

You use "reasoning" common to the 9/11 False movement. Falsers just mke things up and then debunk them. Even that is often a challenge.

If you would like to discuss specific contents of the film, that would be fine, if you are able. The odds don't look good because you fear the truth.

[GStan]

Brainstem;

You use "reasoning" common to the 9/11 False movement. Falsers just mke things up and then debunk them. Even that is often a challenge.

If you would like to discuss specific contents of the film, that would be fine, if you are able. The odds don't look good because you fear the truth.


Discuss specific contents of the film? Is that what you were doing when you said this:...?

First Core of Corruption Film Released!

Core Of Corruption: In The Shadows (1st of 5 Films)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4874421830690006054&ei=j9fUSebBIobQ-wGij73rCw&q=Core+of+Corruption&hl=en

Official Core of Corruption Website
http://www.coreofcorruption.com/

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.

[jaydeehess]

I note that one person being interviewed (Stephen Newman)states that the debris from the aircraft impact was already falling to ground level when the fireball erupted from the elevators.
In fact most, if not all, witnesses describe two 'explosions' and those near the elevators describe that there was a first event, THEN the elevator fireball occured.
So much for Rodriguez's timing of events.

So where is the beef? The aircraft hits, there is a pause, then the fuel explodes sending a fireball not only out the sides of the building but also down the elevator shafts, a couple of which reach all the way down to the lobby and the basement levels.

When the aircraft hit the enitire building swayed, That meant the core columns also bent, which in turn would have meant a sudden shift in the flooring and walls of every single above ground floor. The floors of all basement levels and interior walls also would have suddenly shifted. THAT is why people fell down, broke ankles or had walls or doors hit them in the face. The building was basically the epicenter of a seismic event.
Again, where's the beef?

Once again I ask, how would Rodreiguez, who was in the basement and who did not see either the aircraft impact or the elevator fireball, know which 'explosion' occured first? Why, when he was first interviewed did he not even mention the supposed odd timing of the two events? Instead he chose to complain about how management dealt with his complaints about the maintenance of the fire stairwells.

Richard Grove sees the fireball of the south tower impact and debris starting to rain down and then 'sees' flashes in WTC 6. ,,,,, and???
Did the windows of #6 blow out? No? pretty wimpy explosions. More likely he was seeing a reflection (or double reflection , off the windows of #7 then off the windows of #6) of the fireball or the fiery debris in the windows.
Given that people exited building 6 after the impact of the south tower we know that there was not crater in #6 prior to the collapse of the towers themselves.

Well lunch is over now. Forgive me for skipping through to parts dealing with events I am familiar with.
I thought this was supposedly un-debunkable?

[Praktik]

so there IS some mihop stuff in there eh?

I guess there's a hint that maybe there was some controlled demolition going on?

Looking through their "evidence" list I didnt see anything listed there...

[Galileo]

When the aircraft hit the enitire building swayed, That meant the core columns also bent, which in turn would have meant a sudden shift in the flooring and walls of every single above ground floor. The floors of all basement levels and interior walls also would have suddenly shifted. THAT is why people fell down, broke ankles or had walls or doors hit them in the face. The building was basically the epicenter of a seismic event.
Again, where's the beef?



The event only registered 2.1 and 2.3 on the richter scale. Sorry, that can only barely be felt.

[jaydeehess]

The event only registered 2.1 and 2.3 on the richter scale. Sorry, that can only barely be felt.

Sure, if it occurs a mile underground. When it occurs 800 feet away and has no where for the energy to flow other than in the 1000 foot building before it vibrates the earth you can feel it big time.

Tell you what. Standing on the floor of your apartment have someone else drop a box of copy paper(found in all offices). You can feel that very easily, in fact it might bounce itmes off the nearest counter or end table.

I used to live next to a busy street and at 4 pm it became part of a bus route but the nearest stop was 1000 feet away. The buses were doing 20-30 mph as they passed the house and during this time we could not play vinyl records as the needle would bounce off the platter. We did not have pictures in frames on end tables because they never stayed there, we always made sure that glasses and bottles were no where near the edge of a table. Now none of those events would even register on a seismic chart anywhere in the world. tell me again that the distance to the 'epicenter' makes no difference to how it feels.

[beachnut]

2 hours of stupid, the film will fool those who lack knowledge like the person who started the OP.

The film has clips of every thing from the Princess Bride to fist day news reports. The film has the typical sloppy editing, stupid logic, the recipe for a 911Truth masterpiece of delusional thought and failed conclusions. Short on facts long on dumb ideas, editing to bring out the stupid, leading those with a followers mentality to jump onboard the train of 911Truth fantasy.

Those that lack knowledge on a broad range of topics and skills related to 911 issues will be fooled by the fraud of the film. Why is it natural for Galileo to be fooled again with old junk ideas? This will be the new film for the new followers who can’t think for themselves and have no knowledge of 911 or the faculties to make sound judgment since they use hearsay, lies and fantasy to weave their failed conclusions. Save your time this is a complete plagiarized old 911Truth junk.

Galileo will not present facts and evidence to flesh out this brain-dead production.

Not able to present one idea that stands up to evidence. Galileo fails to support his own OP failed fictional fantasy flick.

[Brainster]

Brainstem;

You use "reasoning" common to the 9/11 False movement. Falsers just mke things up and then debunk them. Even that is often a challenge.

If you would like to discuss specific contents of the film, that would be fine, if you are able. The odds don't look good because you fear the truth.

Using cutesy altered versions of a person's nick is frowned on here.

My criticism of this film is exactly what I said; it has this schizophrenic attitude that, "The mainstream media won't tell you this! Watch this clip from Dan Rather!" What he appears to mean by this is that the mainstream media reported it once but they don't continue reporting the same story day after day. The media seem to have this strange idea that news implies "new". That you criticize this film as part of the 9/11 False Movement is interesting considering you're the one recommending it.

I am pleased to hear that Richard Andrew Grove makes an appearance. That's something I'm anticipating enjoying a great deal.

[Galileo]

I liked the eerie clip from the Lone Gunman.

[MikeW]

I skipped through a couple of bits of this. Looks like the same old stupid fictions and distortions, like "Bush signed Presidential directive W199I making it a crime to investigate or hinder the operations of Abdullah bin Laden". Or pretending the Odigo message was specific as to an attack in New York, and not telling the viewers that they said it wasn't specific at all. There's the usual selective retelling of the Saeed Sheikh story. What's next: Mineta's timeline, or pretending Cheney was "in charge of NORAD on 9/11", or "false blips on FAA radar"?

ETA: he tells us 9/11 was John O'Neill's first day on the job.

ETA: 1:43:40 - after talking about "secondary devices" in the WTC, he plays the clip of the firefighter saying "there's a bomb in the building, start clearing out", of course not telling people that actually related to the bomb scare at Stuyvesant High School. Still, what's a little deception in a situation like this? The ends justify the means, right?

[Brainster]

He goes with the usual lie at 31:35 about the Bin Ladens being flown out of the country while the rest of the USA couldn't fly. Of course, even Michael Moore has used that hardy perennial.

ETA: And the claim that no questions were asked by investigators of the Bin Laden family members. Two quick "debunkable" claims in a row.

ETA 2: And the claim that the flight might have been chartered by Osama himself. Jeez, this one's going to be slam-debunkable.

ETA 3: Ellinoff debunks himself showing Osama's brother on the tarmac "eight days after 9-11".

[Galileo]

He goes with the usual lie at 31:35 about the Bin Ladens being flown out of the country while the rest of the USA couldn't fly. Of course, even Michael Moore has used that hardy perennial.

ETA: And the claim that no questions were asked by investigators of the Bin Laden family members. Two quick "debunkable" claims in a row.

ETA 2: And the claim that the flight might have been chartered by Osama himself. Jeez, this one's going to be slam-debunkable.

ETA 3: Ellinoff debunks himself showing Osama's brother on the tarmac "eight days after 9-11".

Did you not hear about the national flight shutdown?

[Brainster]

Did you not hear about the national flight shutdown?

Yes, and it ended well before the Bin Laden family members (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp) flew out of the country. And Ellinoff has to know this because he shows Bin Laden's brother on the tarmac "eight days after 9-11" which is the 19th, five days after general aviation resumed and six days after the complete ban on air travel was lifted.

[Galileo]

Yes, and it ended well before the Bin Laden family members (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp) flew out of the country. And Ellinoff has to know this because he shows Bin Laden's brother on the tarmac "eight days after 9-11" which is the 19th, five days after general aviation resumed and six days after the complete ban on air travel was lifted.

You make no sense. The photo from 8 days after as after the ground stop is over.

The film interviews someone who was not allowed to fly. She is upset that bin Laden was allowed and she wasn't. It is time for you to give up the ghost.

[ktesibios]

Did you not hear that the national flight shutdown ended Sept. 13, 2001?

Now, when did the bin Laden family members return to Saudi Arabia?

from the Boston Globe:

BIN LADEN KIN FLOWN BACK TO SAUDI ARABIA
Author(s): Kevin Cullen, Globe Staff Date: September 20, 2001 Page: A29 Section: National/Foreign

Boston-area relatives of Osama bin Laden, the Saudi-born terrorist who stands accused of masterminding last week's suicide hijackings, flew back to Saudi Arabia in the last two days because of concerns for their safety, according to the Saudi government.
Dozens of Saudi citizens were flown back to Saudi Arabia at their government's expense, while the bin Ladens are believed to have paid their own way, according to a Saudi diplomat. All of those who took up the Saudi government's offer to fly home were reportedly questioned by the FBI before being allowed to board the flights. A Saudi diplomat told The Boston Globe that the relatives of bin Laden had been advised by both the Saudi government and the FBI to return to Saudi Arabia at least temporarily for their own safety.

I have bolded the relevant bits, first, the date of the newspaper story (Sept. 20) and that the people in question left the USA "in the last two days". What that means is that the so-called "bin Laden flight" took place between Sept. 18 and Sept. 20- a time when no air travel lockdown was in effect.

If you want to read the Globe story for yourself, you can find it by going to the Globe Web site (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/). In the search box at the upper right, select "Globe archives" and enter the text "bin Laden kin". If you're not a subscriber, you'll have to pay a whopping $2.95 for the full text of the article.

Or you could have just tried checking Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp).

[Brainster]

Whew, it took awhile, but now Ellinoff is in full BS mode. First he pops out Springmann, who claims to have given lots of visas to terrorists. Back in 1988 and 1989. Remember all those awful waves of terrorist attacks in the 1990s in the US by Saudis? He's the guy to blame.

Then we get a claim that Niaz Khan told the FBI in 2000 that he'd been recruited by Al Qaeda to participate in a hijacking attempt (true), and that the plot included a plan to fly a plane into the World Trade Center (false).

Covered by NBC here (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5131524/):

Congress’ 9/11 report confirms that in April, 2000, an unnamed “walk-in” told the FBI he “was to meet five or six persons” — some of them pilots — who would take over a plane and fly to Afghanistan, or blow the plane up. The report adds that the “walk-in” passed a lie-detector test.

[Galileo]

Did you not hear that the national flight shutdown ended Sept. 13, 2001?

Now, when did the bin Laden family members return to Saudi Arabia?

from the Boston Globe:



I have bolded the relevant bits, first, the date of the newspaper story (Sept. 20) and that the people in question left the USA "in the last two days". What that means is that the so-called "bin Laden flight" took place between Sept. 18 and Sept. 20- a time when no air travel lockdown was in effect.

If you want to read the Globe story for yourself, you can find it by going to the Globe Web site (http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/). In the search box at the upper right, select "Globe archives" and enter the text "bin Laden kin". If you're not a subscriber, you'll have to pay a whopping $2.95 for the full text of the article.

Or you could have just tried checking Snopes (http://www.snopes.com/rumors/flights.asp).

They also flew on the 12th.

[Macgyver1968]

This is just the start of a whole system for alignment bonuses to buildings, that I hear is being play-tested for the next edition of AD&D. For instance if you start with a Core of Corruption anchored to Foundations of Foulness with Bolts of Betrayal, and then add Columns of Calumny (with Flanges of Falsehood), Trusses of Treachery, Spandrels of Spite, Joists of Judaism, Stairwells of Stealth, a Lobby of Lies, Sky Lobbies of Skullduggery, Floors of Flimflam, Doors of Deceitfulness, Windows of Warmongering, and a Hat Truss of Hypocrisy, you can create a +23 evil-aligned Dark Tower. If you add Evilators running in Shafts of Shenanigans you get +24% on rents from neutral or evil tenants.

Respectfully,
Myriad

I'm bringing my Crown Royal bag full of dice...cause I am so playing that game.

Jesus saves!! ..and only takes half damage. :)

[Brainster]

Like I said earlier, it appears the Truthers are capable of believing A and Not A at the same time. Galileo appears to believe that the Bin Ladens flew out of the country when the national flight ban was in effect and that the Bin Ladens did not fly out of the country when the national flight ban was in effect.

[Galileo]

Like I said earlier, it appears the Truthers are capable of believing A and Not A at the same time. Galileo appears to believe that the Bin Ladens flew out of the country when the national flight ban was in effect and that the Bin Ladens did not fly out of the country when the national flight ban was in effect.

You don't understand. The bin Laden's flew on the 12th, but flew out of the country later.

[Brainster]

You don't understand. The bin Laden's flew on the 12th, but flew out of the country later.

If you say so, it's good enough for me, but strangely other people don't take my word for it. So just for kicks, could you provide me some backing for this assertion? BTW, Ellinoff states quite specifically (31:35) "While Americans couldn't fly, the Bin Ladens were flown out of the country." Would you acknowledge please that Ellinoff is wrong about that?

[Galileo]

If you say so, it's good enough for me, but strangely other people don't take my word for it. So just for kicks, could you provide me some backing for this assertion? BTW, Ellinoff states quite specifically (31:35) "While Americans couldn't fly, the Bin Ladens were flown out of the country." Would you acknowledge please that Ellinoff is wrong about that?

The bin Laden's were flying on their way out of the country when others couldn't fly, but did not actually leave the counrty until others could fly.

Ellinoff has spun the data for effect while remaining truthful.

[Wolrab]

If you go back and forth between the Gregorian and Julian calendars, it all fits. Sort of like the Payne Stewart time differences.
Dang, even Father Time is in on it!

[Brainster]

The bin Laden's were flying on their way out of the country when others couldn't fly, but did not actually leave the counrty until others could fly.

Yes, I understood you the first time you said this. I am asking for a source for the information that the Bin Ladens flew on the 12th. You seem so certain.

Ellinoff has spun the data for effect while remaining truthful.

What part of "While Americans couldn't fly, the Bin Ladens were flown out of the country," is truthful?

[GStan]

The bin Laden's were flying on their way out of the country when others couldn't fly, but did not actually leave the counrty until others could fly.

Ellinoff has spun the data for effect while remaining truthful.

Of course. Everyone knows their plane took off on the 12th from Dulles, but they circled Dulles for eight days while waiting for approval to depart US airspace. It was safer for them that way.

[jaydeehess]

Re-post of my points made in post #68 with the one point that G-clone did attempt to address(with an off-base one liner as usual) redacted.
I note that one person being interviewed (Stephen Newman)states that the debris from the aircraft impact was already falling to ground level when the fireball erupted from the elevators.
In fact most, if not all, witnesses describe two 'explosions' and those near the elevators describe that there was a first event, THEN the elevator fireball occured.
So much for Rodriguez's timing of events.

So where is the beef? The aircraft hits, there is a pause, then the fuel explodes sending a fireball not only out the sides of the building but also down the elevator shafts, a couple of which reach all the way down to the lobby and the basement levels.

<< >>
Once again I ask, how would Rodreiguez, who was in the basement and who did not see either the aircraft impact or the elevator fireball, know which 'explosion' occured first? Why, when he was first interviewed did he not even mention the supposed odd timing of the two events? Instead he chose to complain about how management dealt with his complaints about the maintenance of the fire stairwells.

Richard Grove sees the fireball of the south tower impact and debris starting to rain down and then 'sees' flashes in WTC 6. ,,,,, and???
Did the windows of #6 blow out? No? pretty wimpy explosions. More likely he was seeing a reflection (or double reflection , off the windows of #7 then off the windows of #6) of the fireball or the fiery debris in the windows.
Given that people exited building 6 after the impact of the south tower we know that there was not crater in #6 prior to the collapse of the towers themselves.

[jaydeehess]

The bin Laden's were flying on their way out of the country when others couldn't fly, but did not actually leave the counrty until others could fly.
that is one gawd awful slow aircraft. What were they using, a hot air balloon?

Ellinoff has spun the data for effect while remaining truthful.

Well your being half right counts I suppose.

[Quad4_72]

First Core of Corruption Film Released!

Core Of Corruption: In The Shadows (1st of 5 Films)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4874421830690006054&ei=j9fUSebBIobQ-wGij73rCw&q=Core+of+Corruption&hl=en

Official Core of Corruption Website
http://www.coreofcorruption.com/

This film is destined to join the legendary ranks of Loose Change, Zeitgeist, Zero, and the Obama Deception!!

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.

Interesting. Another movie produced by twoofers that will have precisely ZERO impact on anything that has any relevance to the real world. Its only impact will be on a handful of paranoid individuals to use as masturbatory material on those lonely nights (every night).

[jaydeehess]

G, are you ever going to get around to discussing the video again?

BTW how do you know that GStan's real name isn't George Stanley, or Gordon Stansfeild or Greg Standish?

[Quad4_72]

a slip-up, eh? ZERO impact is huge. ZERO is sweeping across Europe like nothing seen since the days of Genghis Khan. But while the great Khan spreads death, ZERO spreads the TRUTH!

ZERO impact!!

I think you missed the point here "Guy who is not from the 17th century". When I said the twoof movement videos have had zero impact on the real world, I meant that nobody gives a damn who is even the slightest bit important (Notice how in 7 years not a single accomplishment of relevance has been made of the twoof movement).

[Bobert]

Oh thank god!!
I have been awaiting YET ANOTHER crappy truther movie for years and years!!
FINALLY my dreams are going to be fulfilled.

[ElMondoHummus]

Sorry I'm late to this party, but I just have to say something:

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.

Ignoring the obvious idiocy about what constitues an "expert", just how useless is the concept of being "debunkproof"? I don't care if something is "undebunkable", and a real documentarian filmmaker shouldn't either. The real criteria is whether a work is accurate and properly reflects the truth.

I'm beginning to agree with Gravy (I think it was Gravy who said this), that we are actually a lot of the motivation for this silliness. If this were truly aimed at the general populace, would anyone care if a claim was "undebunkable"? You can say that a silly claim about life on Jupiter would be similarly so; "undebunkable" doesn't mean factually accurate.

Enough said; I think you all get my point. That's a useless term, and a stupid description to apply to something. But it says a lot about the mentality of its peddlers.

[Shalamar]

Sorry I'm late to this party, but I just have to say something:



Ignoring the obvious idiocy about what constitues an "expert", just how useless is the concept of being "debunkproof"? I don't care if something is "undebunkable", and a real documentarian filmmaker shouldn't either. The real criteria is whether a work is accurate and properly reflects the truth.

I'm beginning to agree with Gravy (I think it was Gravy who said this), that we are actually a lot of the motivation for this silliness. If this were truly aimed at the general populace, would anyone care if a claim was "undebunkable"? You can say that a silly claim about life on Jupiter would be similarly so; "undebunkable" doesn't mean factually accurate.

Enough said; I think you all get my point. That's a useless term, and a stupid description to apply to something. But it says a lot about the mentality of its peddlers.

And why an endless parade of pointless movies? If the information is true and factual, take it to the DA's, find some lawyers, plaster it all over the media. Campaign to have the prisoners released, since they are not the perpetrators.

[ElMondoHummus]

And why an endless parade of pointless movies? If the information is true and factual, take it to the DA's, find some lawyers, plaster it all over the media. Campaign to have the prisoners released, since they are not the perpetrators.

That's a fair point, but from what I understand, real documentarian filmmakers don't have a long history of actually getting involved in the process beyond making the film (Gumboot and ConspiRader, as two people actually in the film industry, can answer that better (or correct the assertion if it's wrong) than I can). So it doesn't matter to me whether someone who uncovers evidence of conspiracy takes it to the authorities, what matters to me is what happens before the point where they'd have to make that decision is reached. If the basic accuracy isn't even there, and if the goal is not to achieve justice, but to win an argument, then I'd actually almost rather they didn't waste public servants' time.

Now, if true evidence of crimes were uncovered... well, we're back to my original sentence. I'll leave that area of debate untouched; I'm genuinely opinionless as to whether a real documentarian should go to authorities or not. But we don't even come anywhere near that point with this truther garbage.

This post isn't intended to disparage your post, BTW. A legit argument can be made that if truthers really believe they've uncovered a severe injustice, why do they act the way they do, ergo, even they don't believe it's serious. That's an absolutely dead-on point to make. But I shy away from that because I don't think I'd wish a truther on even politicians I can't stand. Regardless of whether I voted for or against one (District Attorney, Mayor, Governor, Senator, whatever), and regardless of whether I like or dislike any non-elected civil servant (such as police officers), I do a dissservice to someone with real duties and responsibilities by pushing conspiracy peddlers off onto them. And I harm more than just the given official/authority. I harm other citizens by inflicting a stupid, pointless timesuck onto a civil servant whose time can be better utilized than by dealing with a conspiracy addict.

[Tricky]

As you can see by your burgeoning inboxes, I've split a planeload of posts to AAH for bickering and for being off-topic. As is common with such a mass move, I may have moved some valuable content along with the B&OT posts. If yours is one, I apologize. If you wish to remake your point in a post that could not possibly be regarded as bickering or off-topic, then you may do so without fear of further post eviction.

But I recommend you just let it be. Don't talk about cloning. Don't insult each other. Play nice.

Thanks

Tricky

[Brainster]

No worries, Brainster. I hear that upstairs they've carefully worked out a disinformation campaign to make sure that nobody will pay attention to the movie.

Yeah, and Larry Silverstein's script called for him to say "pull the firefighters from the building", but the goof ad-libbed "pull it". The NWO is so g-d incompetent at times it drives me crazy!:D

[ravdin]

I tried to watch the movie, but the stupid accidentally spilled into my eyes. It stings pretty badly, but I don't think I will be permanently blinded. For your safety, please wear protective eyewear if you choose to follow the link.

[tomwaits]

I liked the eerie clip from the Lone Gunman.


You mean the comedic spin-off from the X-Files???

:jaw-dropp

[911files]

Well, I gotta reverse myself on this one. I was bored in the wee hours of the morning and started watching the video. Although some of it is rehashed old circumstantial stuff, I am definitely going to have to research the Dr. Graham and Khan information more fully.

The 9/11 Graham Report (http://www.sanderhicks.com/Documents/Book-Graham%20Report.doc) is new to me.

[Wildy]

It was 1984 25 years ago. "Already" may not be the most apt description. :p

Don't you get it man? The NWO just says that it's 2009, but for all we know it could really be 1989.

Schizophrenic reasoning is common in the "Truth Movement".

"The mainstream media won't report this! Watch this Dan Rather clip from CBS News!"

"I don't trust Fox News! But Carl Cameron reported on the Israeli Art Students, so it must be true!"

To most of us, believing in A and Not A at the same time is impossible. But Truthers do it all the time.

Sounds like doublethink. With all the added irony that the people who go on and on about the book Nineteen Eighty-Four as if it were some sort of prophecy are the ones who clearly, and willingly use the concept, even though it was used in the book to consolidate the power of The Party.

[Brainster]

Well, I gotta reverse myself on this one. I was bored in the wee hours of the morning and started watching the video. Although some of it is rehashed old circumstantial stuff, I am definitely going to have to research the Dr. Graham and Khan information more fully.

The 9/11 Graham Report (http://www.sanderhicks.com/Documents/Book-Graham%20Report.doc) is new to me.

Khan's real, but (no surprise) Ellinoff lies about the specificity of the warning. He claims that Khan reported a plot to fly a plane into the WTC; in fact he reported a plot to either hijack a plane (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5131524/) to Afghanistan or to blow up a plane in the air.

Congress’ 9/11 report confirms that in April, 2000, an unnamed “walk-in” told the FBI he “was to meet five or six persons” — some of them pilots — who would take over a plane and fly to Afghanistan, or blow the plane up. The report adds that the “walk-in” passed a lie-detector test.

This is so typical with these guys; they take a factual event and then "improve it" a bit so it sells the conspiracy theory, even though it's debunkable in about five minutes.

[911files]

Khan's real, but (no surprise) Ellinoff lies about the specificity of the warning. He claims that Khan reported a plot to fly a plane into the WTC; in fact he reported a plot to either hijack a plane (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5131524/) to Afghanistan or to blow up a plane in the air.



This is so typical with these guys; they take a factual event and then "improve it" a bit so it sells the conspiracy theory, even though it's debunkable in about five minutes.

Well, I found a friend of Grahams' that says she found a bottle of antifreeze in his back-pack that had leaked on his clothes. Sounds like a self-induced poisoning to me. I can find no actual evidence to back up his Oct/Nov 2000 meeting claims. Sounds like an attention whore to me.

I'll reserve judgement on the Khan incident until I learn more.

[Gangularis]

So yeah... I watched like the first boring hour of this and then had to fast forward some...

The narrator's voice isn't that great, and the music is subpar. I like Zeitgeist for it's entertainment value, and production quality, better.

Best part is at 1:30:50 where they talk about the van that has a mural of a plane diving into the twin towers, on 9/11.. Before that there's a bunch of garbled incoherent statements, that's supposedly from a CB communication with a police officer. One of the statements involves him saying something about remote control planes... Uh, yeah.. how does a NYC cop know one of the planes is remoted controlled??

Geez guys, you can't disprove this stuff!!.... and by stuff, I mean stuff that's not proven to begin with.

[Galileo]

Khan's real, but (no surprise) Ellinoff lies about the specificity of the warning. He claims that Khan reported a plot to fly a plane into the WTC; in fact he reported a plot to either hijack a plane (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5131524/) to Afghanistan or to blow up a plane in the air.



This is so typical with these guys; they take a factual event and then "improve it" a bit so it sells the conspiracy theory, even though it's debunkable in about five minutes.

That's called good media spin. Spin is a lie. The 9/11 truth movement is very media savvy, that's why we are so successful.

[dtugg]

That's called good media spin. Spin is a lie. The 9/11 truth movement is very media savvy, that's why we are so successful.

Is that why when I leave my computer the 9/11 twoof movement ceases to exist?

[911files]

That's called good media spin. Spin is a lie. The 9/11 truth movement is very media savvy, that's why we are so successful.

Successful??????

[elbe]

That's called good media spin. Spin is a lie. The 9/11 truth movement is very media savvy, that's why we are so successful.

I had never even heard of the 9/11 truth movement until I started reading JREF. That's not a very good media presence, and hardly successful.

[fitzgibbon]

TThe 9/11 truth movement is very media savvy, that's why we are so successful.

That's why you're WHAT? :jaw-dropp


If this is your definition of being successful, the mind positively boggles at what it'd take for you to recognise a colossal failure.

[T.A.M.]

Debunker<><><><><><><><><>Troll----->

TAM:)

[parky76]

That's called good media spin. Spin is a lie. The 9/11 truth movement is very media savvy, that's why we are so successful.

That was very funny. Do you do stand up?

[Drudgewire]

The NWO has issued an official response:

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[twinstead]

Galileo just made my morning. Arrogant denial ROCKS!

[Brainster]

Well, at least now we know what debunkproof means; that when we debunk it, the troofers will stick their fingers in their ears and say, "Lalalalala! I can't hear you!"

[Pardalis]

Well they've got Charlie Sheen, Rosie O'Donnell, Gauge the porn star and the clone of Galileo, I'd call that successful.

[parky76]

Many experts believe this film is debunkproof.

Yup. We won. Its all over.

[Oliver]

Oh thank god!!
I have been awaiting YET ANOTHER crappy truther movie for years and years!!
FINALLY my dreams are going to be fulfilled.


Same here. :popcorn1
Is it worth watching or just a re-cut of all the things we heard before?

[Childlike Empress]

Watch the ~ first hour of it, Oliver. Worth the time. When it comes to the CD stuff after that, it gets redundant.

[Galileo]

Galileo just made my morning. Arrogant denial ROCKS!

It was said that the real Galileo was arrogant. So if I didn't portray arrogance from time to time, you guys might not believe me.

Now that we have the proof of explosives at the WTC, you mat expect even more arrogance.

I have a short fuse for ignorance.

[Galileo]

Same here. :popcorn1
Is it worth watching or just a re-cut of all the things we heard before?

It has a lot of the same stuff as Loose Change Final Cut and Fabled Enemies, If you are looking for new stuff that will blow your mind, check out ZERO.

[T.A.M.]

ZERO.

How convenient, a truther film with a title that is the EXACT NUMBER that represents the amount of evidence truthers have that 9/11 was an inside job.

Recycled trash...lets move on.

TAM:)

[A W Smith]

It was said that the real Galileo was arrogant. So if I didn't portray arrogance from time to time, you guys might not believe me.

Now that we have the proof of explosives at the WTC, you mat expect even more arrogance.

I have a short fuse for ignorance.

We call it trolling here. You have evidence of paint. nothing more.

[beachnut]

Watch the ~ first hour of it, Oliver. Worth the time. When it comes to the CD stuff after that, it gets redundant.
Watching the first hour you can start to understand why it takes complete ignorance to fall for the delusional tripe presented.

[Childlike Empress]

That's a lie. Why do lying liars continue to post lies about 9/11? Dirt dumb lying lies told will not convince anybody, lying liars! And pants on fire too!!!

</random beachnut>

[parky76]

Truthers are really good at making videos. Thats about it.

Debunkers, however, are not as skilled at video making.

That's because we instead spend our time ripping your $$$$ to threads. =)

[Childlike Empress]

I suspect you will now end on Gravy's extensive ignore list, parky - if you aren't already on it. :D

[beachnut]

That's a lie. Why do lying liars continue to post lies about 9/11? Dirt dumb lying lies told will not convince anybody, lying liars! And pants on fire too!!!

</random beachnut>
The film is anti-intellectual tripe. If you found some useful information that can save the 911Truth movement from the pit of ignorance, you better get busy and present it. Otherwise you have your standard nothing to offer on 911 with zero evidence and not real clue.

Go ahead prove something with the film other that it is worthless tripe. Go

[Childlike Empress]

What do you mean by "present it"? I thought you have watched the film?

edit: Remember that we have mutual concern for the "fence-sitters" reading this. Now they have watched the first hour that i recommended, point out the "anti-intellectual tripe" for them.

[fitzgibbon]

Truthers are really good at making videos. Thats about it.

Debunkers, however, are not as skilled at video making.

That's because we instead spend our time ripping your $$$$ to threads. =)

Oh, I wouldn't go that far. I believe Aiden and Gumboot might take exception to that characterisation and I know I do. The difference between us and them is that we are able to make convincing arguments with words rather than having to rely on umpteenth-generation YouTube rip-offs of a EP-speed VHS replay shot with a Hi-8 camcorder for source material quick-cut slapped together with some speedthrash metal soundtrack for atmosphere.

[beachnut]

What do you mean by "present it"? I thought you have watched the film?

edit: Remember that we have mutual concern for the "fence-sitters" reading this. Now they have watched the first hour that i recommended, point out the "anti-intellectual tripe" for them.
All of it is anti-intellectual tripe and not one person from 911Truth or you can present any thing from any part of the movie to support 911 was an "inside job" (or any other 911Truth delusions).

But feel free to show all the fence sitters what failed item or piece of tripe you think is the big smoking gun.

You can't. Good for you and 911Truth 7 years of failed pathetic no action junk videos and DVDs of implied lies for 15 bucks. Take your snake oil video and sell it to some who are weak at facts and lazy at research; like your 911Truth failed movement members and followers of woo.

But since you like the failed tripe, go ahead make our day and support the film with some evidence. Good luck.

[Childlike Empress]

I'm afraid that will not be convincing, beachnut.

[beachnut]

I'm afraid that will not be convincing, beachnut.
The film was junk. I know you and 911Truth have zero evidence to prove any of the points, neither does the film. The film implies things by weaving junk together to form convincing points if you are real stupid on 911 and can't research 911 for yourself.

Fence sitters will see 911Truth as a movement of false information and this film is a good summary of how they try to fool people who lack knowledge and have not done research on 911. Anti-intellectual.

Fence sitters see you can't prove the assertions made in the film.

[Childlike Empress]

Oh beachnut, you are a real piece of work. I'm just saying GOOD NIGHT before i'm posting something that i really shouldn't post because of my sense of empathy.

Let the fence-sitters decide.

[beachnut]

Oh beachnut, you are a real piece of work. I'm just saying GOOD NIGHT before i'm posting something that i really shouldn't post because of my sense of empathy.

Let the fence-sitters decide.

My official review of the film of films for 911Truth – The film is anti-intellectual tripe. Two thumbs down. The only reason to view the film is to see how 911Truth presents anti-intellectual tripe. They are trying to use the formula used in movies like “The Da Vinci Code” and string news stories and failed analysis together to mislead people. The film authors are looking for audiences who have not researched 911 and lack knowledge on 911 (not smart on 911 issues). They hope they will find this gullible audience and succeed to sell their product.

CE can’t prove any of the failed assertions in the film.

I think your comprehensive presentation of massive piles of evidence speaks volumes. The fence sitters will be jumping into the pit of ignorance with the rest of 911Truth after all that stuff you presented. Bravo; I liked your long list of evidence to support your points.

[T.A.M.]

What do you mean by "present it"? I thought you have watched the film?

edit: Remember that we have mutual concern for the "fence-sitters" reading this. Now they have watched the first hour that i recommended, point out the "anti-intellectual tripe" for them.

caring about the fence sitters is so 2006.

90% of the lurkers on this site are likely cowardly truthers, or formerly banned ones.

TAM:)

[Childlike Empress]

caring about the fence sitters is so 2006.

90% of the lurkers on this site are likely cowardly truthers, or formerly banned ones.

TAM:)


Yup, that's why you are still posting here daily. Next time we meet, i'll think about getting to your root problem. I think you have less excuses than beachnut. Good night.

[T.A.M.]

Yup, that's why you are still posting here daily. Next time we meet, i'll think about getting to your root problem. I think you have less excuses than beachnut. Good night.

Here is why I post here.

1. enjoyment. Mostly an ejoyment discussing the silliness of 9/11 CTs with other people who enjoy the same.
2. A liking for argumentation.
3. An occasional need to show people how stupid they are.
4. A fault I have, that I tend to never let an argument just drop.

I am sure there are other reasons, all of them equally human. None of them related to any concern that truther theories, or the truth movement, will mount any kind of comeback etc...

I welcome your uneducated attempt to psychoanalyze me any time you wish.

TAM:D

[beachnut]

Yup, that's why you are still posting here daily. Next time we meet, i'll think about getting to your root problem. I think you have less excuses than beachnut. Good night.
More evidence? When you check all the film's super duper leads and dots, you will see they have connected the dots just like 911Truth did will all their massive piles of evidence.

Zero evidence, just innuendo. The smoking gun, without the gun, just some mirrors.

[INRM]

I'm watching it now. From what I've seen it doesn't seem all that crazy compared to videos like Zeitgeist and Loose Change.

I am not 100% sure of it's accuracy though

[SmartyPants]

So yeah... I watched like the first boring hour of this and then had to fast forward some...

The narrator's voice isn't that great, and the music is subpar. I like Zeitgeist for it's entertainment value, and production quality, better.

Best part is at 1:30:50 where they talk about the van that has a mural of a plane diving into the twin towers, on 9/11.. Before that there's a bunch of garbled incoherent statements, that's supposedly from a CB communication with a police officer. One of the statements involves him saying something about remote control planes... Uh, yeah.. how does a NYC cop know one of the planes is remoted controlled??

Geez guys, you can't disprove this stuff!!.... and by stuff, I mean stuff that's not proven to begin with.

Agreed. I tried really hard to make it until the end, but had to put it away about 90 minutes into it. It was just too boring, too shoddy. Basically it was a cut and paste job of various TV news stories (from sources they supposedly distrust, which If found curious) put together into a mostly incoherent storyline, asking the viewer to put the pieces together. Unfortunately, none of the pieces fit.

Say what you will about Zeitgeist and Loose Change - at least they could manage a semblance of story structure. Of course, all these "films" are equally full of crap.

[jaydeehess]

Re-post of my points made in post #68 with the one point that G-clone did attempt to address(with an off-base one liner as usual) redacted.

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I note that one person being interviewed (Stephen Newman)states that the debris from the aircraft impact was already falling to ground level when the fireball erupted from the elevators.
In fact most, if not all, witnesses describe two 'explosions' and those near the elevators describe that there was a first event, THEN the elevator fireball occured.
So much for Rodriguez's timing of events.

So where is the beef? The aircraft hits, there is a pause, then the fuel explodes sending a fireball not only out the sides of the building but also down the elevator shafts, a couple of which reach all the way down to the lobby and the basement levels.

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Once again I ask, how would Rodreiguez, who was in the basement and who did not see either the aircraft impact or the elevator fireball, know which 'explosion' occured first? Why, when he was first interviewed did he not even mention the supposed odd timing of the two events? Instead he chose to complain about how management dealt with his complaints about the maintenance of the fire stairwells.

Richard Grove sees the fireball of the south tower impact and debris starting to rain down and then 'sees' flashes in WTC 6. ,,,,, and???
Did the windows of #6 blow out? No? pretty wimpy explosions. More likely he was seeing a reflection (or double reflection , off the windows of #7 then off the windows of #6) of the fireball or the fiery debris in the windows.
Given that people exited building 6 after the impact of the south tower we know that there was not crater in #6 prior to the collapse of the towers themselves.