bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limo/ You might be...

[RoboTimbo]

YOU HAVE NOTHING.;)

Other than the video I've linked to and the pics and video you've linked to. ;) Thanks for the help! Was that what you meant to do?

Any answer for the video I linked to yet? Where's the gun?

[7forever]

I see, the Zapruder film. I was at work and the link was blocked.

You do understand that the Zapruder film shows the right front of Kennedy's head blowing out, right? it still shows the right front of Kennedy's head blowing out.

Is that what you were trying to show?

There was no right front exit even by WC standards. It was supposed to be above the right rear. The fake blotch starts in the right front where the bullet impacted and moved to the right side. You have NO pics or frames to show your fantasy exit or entrance. It's debunked ******** from the 60's.LOL

[7forever]

Other than the video I've linked to and the pics and video you've linked to. ;) Thanks for the help! Was that what you meant to do?

Any answer for the video I linked to yet? Where's the gun?

Right front out the right rear. Show us your fantasy wound path by using the same frames and pics I have. Edited for civility.

[7forever]

Other than the video I've linked to and the pics and video you've linked to. ;) Thanks for the help! Was that what you meant to do?

Any answer for the video I linked to yet? Where's the gun?

Which proves Greer fired into his right forehead with the logical exit on the right rear.:)

[7forever]

What's the source of the You Tube clip?

Demonstrate your fantasy wound path so we can all laugh at how stupid it was from day one.:D

[7forever]

Do you ever plan on answering this, 7forever? I've helpfully bolded it for you so that you wouldn't miss the question. You might want to read the comments about that video. I hope you weren't relying on it.



Also, you've so far run away from answering my question about this better quality video.

1BPyhsW_CNI
Where is the driver's gun? I hope you won't continue to dodge and weave that question. Thanks in advance.

Greer passes the gun in Zapruder and it's seen after the shot in frame 319. Been there done that, many times. The gun's in Zapruder visually, before and after the shot. They just put something over it but didn't even try to hide that he passes it. It was kooks like Groden that lied and covered the truth for the goverment.

Edited for civility.

[RoboTimbo]

Other than the video I've linked to and the pics and video you've linked to. ;) Thanks for the help! Was that what you meant to do?

Any answer for the video I linked to yet? Where's the gun?

Any answers to any of the questions yet? Sane and rational answers only, please. None like yours above. Thanks in advance.

[7forever]

Any answers to any of the questions yet? Sane and rational answers only, please. None like yours above. Thanks in advance.

Removed breach.Prove your shot. I showed with crystal clear evidence the real wound path. Removed breaches.

[RoboTimbo]

Follow directions. Sane and rational only. Now answer the question.

1BPyhsW_CNI

[JohnG]

Nothing says "serious truth seeker" like the liberal use of smilies and internet slang.

[7forever]

The closest eyewitnesses saw the rear exit as does every person viewing frame 313. Clint Hill describes the massive gaping wound on the right rear side. He's the ss agent who got Jackie back into the limo.

Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.
Between the time I originally grabbed the handhold and until I was up on the car, Mrs. Kennedy--the second noise that I heard had removed a portion of the President's head, and he had slumped noticeably to his left. Mrs. Kennedy had jumped up from the seat and was, it appeared to me, reaching for something coming off the right rear bumper of the car, the right rear tail, when she noticed that I was trying to climb on the car. She turned toward me and I grabbed her and put her back in the back seat, crawled up on top of the back seat and lay there.


Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head.

The back of the head gapes open at the moment of front right impact.
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[7forever]

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: Debra Conway
JFK Lancer Productions & Publications
332 N.E.5th Street
Grand Prairie, TX 75050
Phone: 817-488-0978
Email: debra@jfklancer.com
Web: http://jfklancer.com


Warren Commission Suppressed Jackie's
Testimony On JFK's Head Wound

Court Reporter's Tape Shows
Additional Description Withheld


Dallas, TX -- August 5, 2001 -- JFK Lancer, an historical research firm reports that the Court Reporter's tape shows Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony before the Warren Commission had additional descriptions which were withheld.
Mrs. Kennedy testified in a short private session held at her home in Washington, D.C., with Chief Justice Earl Warren, Commission General Council J. Lee Rankin, Attorney General Robert Kennedy, and a court reporter in attendance. Testimony of witnesses before the Warren Commission was made public in the fall of 1964. Jacqueline Kennedy's testimony was also released containing her description of her husbands wounds which read :

...

Snipped for compliance with Rule 4. Do not copy and paste lengthy tracts of text from elsewhere. Instead, just post a short quote and a cite to the source.

http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/jbkwc.html
FRAME 337 SHOWING REAR GAPE AND JACKIE'S SHOCK.
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[RoboTimbo]

If you could just circle the gun in this video:
1BPyhsW_CNI

[7forever]

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[EventHorizon]

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And I thought you couldn't get any more incoherent than you already are. What exactly did you post those links for?

[RoboTimbo]

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/debbiesolveditanddidntevenknowitlol.jpg
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You aren't following instructions. You are to only post rationally and sanely. Try again.

If you could just circle the gun in this video:
1BPyhsW_CNI

[Walter Ego]

And I thought you couldn't get any more incoherent than you already are. What exactly did you post those links for?

This would be sad if it wasn't so pathetic. It been almost 60 years since the JFK assassination and the Warren Report critics have not been able to produce one piece of credible evidence that Oswald was not the lone shooter or that there was a conspiracy to kill the president.

(Doubtless we will see similar dismal results for 9/11 "truth" 50 years hence.)

Conspiracy hucksters like Robert Groden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Groden)who were riding high in the 1970s are now reduced to selling their books and conspiracy magazines to tourists in Dealey Plaza. (Groden has been an almost daily fixture (http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2011/01/by_chasing_robert_groden_from.php) there for more than a decade. Apparently the revenue from his street sales of conspiracy crap is his major source of income).

So along comes the 7 year-old and to attract the attention of his elders he has to seize on the nuttiest and most absurd of all the fringe JFK shooting theories.... the driver did it.

Pathetic. :(

[7forever]

You aren't following instructions. You are to only post rationally and sanely. Try again.

If you could just circle the gun in this video:
1BPyhsW_CNI

You aren't following instructions. You are to only post rationally and sanely. Try again. YOU HAVE NO SHOT from the rear. No entrance or exit. Just a stupid fantasy.

[7forever]

And I thought you couldn't get any more incoherent than you already are. What exactly did you post those links for?

And I thought you couldn't get any more incoherent than you already are. What exactly did you post your stupid reply for?

[7forever]

Conspiracy hucksters like Robert Groden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_J._Groden)who were riding high in the 1970s are now reduced to selling their books and conspiracy magazines to tourists in Dealey Plaza. (Groden has been an almost daily fixture (http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2011/01/by_chasing_robert_groden_from.php) there for more than a decade. Apparently the revenue from his street sales of conspiracy crap is his major source of income).

:(

You are completely pathetic with nothing to offer against the truth about Greer. Robert Groden was the biggest government tool in covering up the truth about Greer there ever was in this case. WC crazies are not relevant and never have been. The shot came from the driver's seat, not the right side. That's the red herring in this case. Groden is a pathetic slob.
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[7forever]

So along comes the 7 year-old and to attract the attention of his elders he has to seize on the nuttiest and most absurd of all the fringe JFK shooting theories.... the driver did it.

Pathetic. :(

Removed breach. You have no evidence to support your rear shot or else it would be all over the net. But there is nothing but lame attempts at truth suppression.

Removed breach.
There is nothing nutty about Greer shooting jfk accept that it was stupid but three films captured it. I didnt' do it. I just exposed their epic blunder.:D

[RoboTimbo]

You aren't following instructions. You are to only post rationally and sanely. Try again.

If you could just circle the gun in this video:
1BPyhsW_CNI

[Wanderer]

Let me go out on a limb here by leaving a comment that is in response to the actual subject heading. [Is that allowed? ;-) ]

The man at the Ford plant who was responsible for replacing the windshield due to a bullet hole was on record that the entrance of the bullet came from in front of the car.

That is forensic evidence, because the entrance hole in glass is always smaller than the exit. The FBI and DA's across the country rely on that immutable pattern to prosecute cases.

So the lone gunmen supporters have some 'splainin' to do.

[RoboTimbo]

Let me go out on a limb here by leaving a comment that is in response to the actual subject heading. [Is that allowed? ;-) ]

The man at the Ford plant who was responsible for replacing the windshield due to a bullet hole was on record that the entrance of the bullet came from in front of the car.

That is forensic evidence, because the entrance hole in glass is always smaller than the exit. The FBI and DA's across the country rely on that immutable pattern to prosecute cases.

So the lone gunmen supporters have some 'splainin' to do.

You'll need a citation for that.

[Wanderer]

You'll need a citation for that.

My comment was from memory. I believe I saw it in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" on the History Channel. It was a five day series. Maybe someone else will be able to provide which segment, etc.

[RoboTimbo]

My comment was from memory. I believe I saw it in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" on the History Channel. It was a five day series. Maybe someone else will be able to provide which segment, etc.

The Warren Commissioners examined the actual windshield taken out of the limousine and saw the wagon wheel crack. The wagon wheel crack was examined by the FBI who determined it was caused by an impact from inside. Chapter 3, page 77 of the WCR.

There was no hole in the windshield. 7forever has kindly posted many pictures of the windshield with the wagon wheel crack.

I'd be interested to see any credible evidence contrary to that.

[Wanderer]

The Warren Commissioners examined the actual windshield taken out of the limousine and saw the wagon wheel crack. The wagon wheel crack was examined by the FBI who determined it was caused by an impact from inside. Chapter 3, page 77 of the WCR.

There was no hole in the windshield. 7forever has kindly posted many pictures of the windshield with the wagon wheel crack.

I'd be interested to see any credible evidence contrary to that.

We'll leave aside the argument that the FBI was part of the cover up, which if true, makes their investigation not helpful.

Here is a link to an article containing photos of the windshield:

(Unfortunately I haven't met the 15 post minimum to post a link. It's from the JK Lancer forum. Here is a partial web address jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard)

From those photos, it is clear that the windshield crack/hole was not created by the first bullet or a fragment from it, nor from the second which missed the car.

That would mean the shot that exited JFK on the right side of his head (according to the lone gunman theory) also went to the left side of the windshield.

[RoboTimbo]

We'll leave aside the argument that the FBI was part of the cover up, which if true, makes their investigation not helpful.

Here is a link to an article containing photos of the windshield:

(Unfortunately I haven't met the 15 post minimum to post a link. It's from the JK Lancer forum. Here is a partial web address jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard)

From those photos, it is clear that the windshield crack/hole was not created by the first bullet or a fragment from it, nor from the second which missed the car.

That would mean the shot that exited JFK on the right side of his head (according to the lone gunman theory) also went to the left side of the windshield.

Post #7 in this thread has a good picture of the windshield. The partial link you gave gives me a 404 error. Try doing it this way: "www . link . com" without the quotes, of course.

[Wanderer]

The Warren Commissioners examined the actual windshield taken out of the limousine and saw the wagon wheel crack. The wagon wheel crack was examined by the FBI who determined it was caused by an impact from inside. Chapter 3, page 77 of the WCR.

There was no hole in the windshield. 7forever has kindly posted many pictures of the windshield with the wagon wheel crack.

I'd be interested to see any credible evidence contrary to that.

Post #7 in this thread has a good picture of the windshield. The partial link you gave gives me a 404 error. Try doing it this way: "www . link . com" without the quotes, of course.

Let's see if this works:

ht tp:// webcache .googleusercontent. com/search?q=cache:eB8uR66ax14J:www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php%3Faz%3Dshow_topic%26forum%3D3%26topic_ id%3D82475%26mesg_id%3D82475%26listing_type%3Dsear ch+jfk+windshield&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

Well that is unfortunate - I'm getting ever closer to 15 entries, so maybe soon I'll be able to provide the link - because the webpage article shows a series of gradually enlarged photos (Altgen) taken from the front of the limo with a good image of the windshield with JFK clutching his throat but there is no damage to the windshield.

This is irrefutable proof that the first bullet didn't cause the damage.

[RoboTimbo]

Your link still doesn't work for me. The good thing is you have 16 posts now so can post a good link.

[RoboTimbo]

Wanderer, 7forever pretty thoroughly debunked there being a hole in the windshield. You might want to start around page 12. He posted photos of the wagon wheel crack at Parkland hospital and pictures of a through hole in the windshield of his mom's 1997 Lumina to show the difference.

I'm not sure if that was his intent or not.

[CurtC]

My comment was from memory. I believe I saw it in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" on the History Channel. It was a five day series. Maybe someone else will be able to provide which segment, etc.

Let's sum this up.

Evidence that the windshield crack/chip came from the inside: documented testimony of a ballistics expert.

Evidence that it came from the outside: Some guy's memory of a TV show he saw on the Hysteria Channel, from a show that's been thoroughly discredited, retelling the memory of a non-expert from 40 years earlier.

Hmmm, lets see... which to accept?

[I Ratant]

These have been uploaded before in one of the dreary threads on this glop...
The head shot bullet exited the head, impacted the chrome at the windshield top where it left an bullet shaped indentation, broke up, parts falling into the limosine, and a small fragment flying on to hit Tague on the cheek.

[Wanderer]

Your link still doesn't work for me. The good thing is you have 16 posts now so can post a good link.

You'll need to scroll down just a little to locate a series of photos, each one a little larger than the previous photo.

http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=3&topic_id=82475&mesg_id=82475&listing_type=search

[Walter Ego]

My comment was from memory. I believe I saw it in "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" on the History Channel. It was a five day series. Maybe someone else will be able to provide which segment, etc.

The Men Who Killed Kennedy is your source?

Are we talking about the mendacious, slanderous tabloid TV show that was so bad that that when it was shown in the UK the producer was censored by parliament and the network that broadcast it had to scramble to cover their ass?

Independent producer-director Nigel Turner was censured by members of the British Parliament, and there was an attempt to revoke Central Television’s franchise based on the penalty for making inaccurate broadcasts in British law. Although that ultimate sanction was not applied, the Independent Broadcasting Authority, the British regulatory agency, did compel Central Television to commission another program devoted entirely to exposing Turner’s research ethics. This “studio crucifixion” of Turner, as it was called, was duly broadcast on 16 November 1988, marking the first time British regulators had ever forced such action.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/holland3.htm

The show that was so bad that the History channel had to apologise for showing it?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/07/arts/history-channel-apologizes.html

This is what you're using a source for reliable information? :boggled:

[CurtC]

You'll need to scroll down just a little to locate a series of photos, each one a little larger than the previous photo.

Thanks for posting the link. What I see in those photos is a crack in the windshield, with no hole all the way through. They also have the notes from the investigator who examined it the next morning after the assassination, indicating that the impact came from the rear side.

The text of that page also establishes pretty well why the evidence establishes that it is a crack from a fragment that came from the rear side of the windshield.

Did you somehow think that this link supported your idea that it was a hole from a bullet coming from the front? It doesn't. At all.

[RoboTimbo]

I think everyone in this thread is now on the same page about there being a wagon wheel crack in the windshield caused by a strike from the inside and a pretty good explanatory mechanism for it happening.
So the lone gunmen supporters have some 'splainin' to do.
So we're good now?


Happy bday, CurtC!

[Wanderer]

These have been uploaded before in one of the dreary threads on this glop...
The head shot bullet exited the head, impacted the chrome at the windshield top where it left an bullet shaped indentation, broke up, parts falling into the limosine, and a small fragment flying on to hit Tague on the cheek.

The drawing on the right you have presented is highly misleading.

Note that the drawing shows the line hitting JFK on the far RIGHT side of the back of his head. and exiting in the right side of his FOREHEAD. The death stare photo shows no such thing. There is no injury showing on his forehead.

The exit wound according to the lone gunman theory is that the bullet exited on the right side of JFK's skull, not on the front side at all.

Next, the drawing shows the windshield crack in line with the middle of the rear view mirror. But the center of the crack/hole is a few inches to the LEFT of the LEFT side of the mirror.

[Wanderer]

Let's sum this up.

Evidence that the windshield crack/chip came from the inside: documented testimony of a ballistics expert.

Evidence that it came from the outside: Some guy's memory of a TV show he saw on the Hysteria Channel, from a show that's been thoroughly discredited, retelling the memory of a non-expert from 40 years earlier.

Hmmm, lets see... which to accept?

Or we could trust someone who didn't have a dog in the fight rather than the FBI which did. The Ford worker was experienced with bullets through glass.

In contrast, the ballistics expert was experienced with working for J. Edgar Hoover.

[Wanderer]

I think everyone in this thread is now on the same page about there being a wagon wheel crack in the windshield caused by a strike from the inside and a pretty good explanatory mechanism for it happening.

So we're good now?


Happy bday, CurtC!

Not quite so. I do not concede that it's not a through and through shot in the windshield. I do not believe the FBI in this case, because the forensic evidence overall is overwhelming in proving JFK's body was tampered with. Thus there is a cover up, so the words and opinions of the authorities cannot be taken at face value.

[RoboTimbo]

You'll find pictures in this thread of the limo at Parkland Hospital showing the wagon wheel crack in the windshield. I never could get 7forever (or roundhead, hard to tell those two apart) to comment on when the windshield was switched out from one with a hole to one with a crack during the leisurely drive there.

[Wanderer]

Thanks for posting the link. What I see in those photos is a crack in the windshield, with no hole all the way through. They also have the notes from the investigator who examined it the next morning after the assassination, indicating that the impact came from the rear side.

The text of that page also establishes pretty well why the evidence establishes that it is a crack from a fragment that came from the rear side of the windshield.

Did you somehow think that this link supported your idea that it was a hole from a bullet coming from the front? It doesn't. At all.

There are two parts to my comments. The initial one is that the Ford worker identified the hole as an entry from the front.

The second part is this. The link to the series of photos merely shows that the crack did not occur from the first bullet. It could have been the second bullet either if we are to believe in the Oswald theory because it was supposedly a fragment, but of course it would had struck nothing prior to the windshield, and the man under the overpass was hit in the cheek by debris from the overpass.

[CurtC]

The second part is this. The link to the series of photos merely shows that the crack did not occur from the first bullet. It could have been the second bullet either if we are to believe in the Oswald theory because it was supposedly a fragment, but of course it would had struck nothing prior to the windshield, and the man under the overpass was hit in the cheek by debris from the overpass.

Sorry, I fail to see your point. The first bullet was never found, and I'll agree that it seems unlikely to have caused the crack in the windshield.

Also, the second bullet was unlikely to be the culprit, because it was found with barely any mass missing, and what was missing seemed to be mostly buried inside Connolly.

The third bullet is the most likely source. We know it fragmented into many pieces, some of those impacted the chrome trim above the windshield, and some were found within the limo. Some may have hit James Tague.

So what's your point?

[Walter Ego]

Or we could trust someone who didn't have a dog in the fight rather than the FBI which did. The Ford worker was experienced with bullets through glass.

In contrast, the ballistics expert was experienced with working for J. Edgar Hoover.

And your source for the Ford worker is The Men Who Killed Kennedy TV series, right?

It took me about 60 seconds to find this video.

stHp1AbPsUw

What I see is a unidentified on-camera conspiracy huckster relating second hand evidence he got from a man who is now dead. This is what you're basing your assertion about the windshield on?

[uk_dave]

Let me go out on a limb here by leaving a comment that is in response to the actual subject heading. [Is that allowed? ;-) ]

The man at the Ford plant who was responsible for replacing the windshield due to a bullet hole was on record that the entrance of the bullet came from in front of the car.

That is forensic evidence, because the entrance hole in glass is always smaller than the exit. The FBI and DA's across the country rely on that immutable pattern to prosecute cases.

So the lone gunmen supporters have some 'splainin' to do.

Now you've seen the responses to your comment in this thread, do you now agree that your claim that a bullet entered from the front is erroneous?

If not, why not?

[I Ratant]

Not quite so. I do not concede that it's not a through and through shot in the windshield. I do not believe the FBI in this case, because the forensic evidence overall is overwhelming in proving JFK's body was tampered with. Thus there is a cover up, so the words and opinions of the authorities cannot be taken at face value.
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http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/concl4.htm
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And...... yawn....

[Wanderer]

And your source for the Ford worker is The Men Who Killed Kennedy TV series, right?

It took me about 60 seconds to find this video.

stHp1AbPsUw

What I see is a unidentified on-camera conspiracy huckster relating second hand evidence he got from a man who is now dead. This is what you're basing your assertion about the windshield on?

Forty-eight years after the murder, almost all the witnesses are dead. If that is going to be your criteria for evaluating evidence, turn your computer off now.

The testimony of the Ford body shop manager is more credible than the FBI because he did not have a dog in the fight.

[RoboTimbo]

Forty-eight years after the murder, almost all the witnesses are dead. If that is going to be your criteria for evaluating evidence, turn your computer off now.

The testimony of the Ford body shop manager is more credible than the FBI because he did not have a dog in the fight.

The car parked at Parkland Hospital. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5592140#post5592140

Like 7forever and roundhead, you haven't addressed when the windshield was changed out from one with a hole to one with a wagon wheel crack between Dealy Plaza and Parkland.

[7forever]

The back of his head came off with skull and scalp detaching. The caps are in sequential order.


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Removed repetitive images and replaced with links; you've been told before not to post the same images over and over again. Also added NSFW tags due to graphic nature of the images.

[7forever]

The car parked at Parkland Hospital. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=5592140#post5592140

Like 7forever and roundhead, you haven't addressed when the windshield was changed out from one with a hole to one with a wagon wheel crack between Dealy Plaza and Parkland.

It doesn't make any difference. A bullet hole right of the mirror and a frothing defect below the mirror was captured at frame 255 by Altgens.

Removed repetitive images. Again.

[JohnG]

7forever, maybe you should join the other JFK thread? Things seem a little moribund here and there's little point in carrying on discussion in the two threads in tandem. I'd be very interested in seeing what Robert Prey thinks of your theory.

[7forever]

7forever, maybe you should join the other JFK thread? Things seem a little moribund here and there's little point in carrying on discussion in the two threads in tandem. I'd be very interested in seeing what Robert Prey thinks of your theory.

If the bullet came through the windshield you'd expect Connally to react as it passed his head. He does that and Gil Jesus pointed that out a long time ago. Connally said he was shot at frame 234 and I definitely saw his doctor say between 234-238 based on his body position aligned to his 4 wounds. Nellie said 229. Connally swats the shot with his arms and then body burps right after when he was shot from the rear.

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[JohnG]

You really need to meet Robert Prey. You both have the same keen facility for answering questions and I'm sure you'd get on like a house on fire.

[RoboTimbo]

The back of his head came off with skull and scalp detaching. The caps are in sequential order.


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Removed repetitive images and replaced with links; you've been told before not to post the same images over and over again. Also added NSFW tags due to graphic nature of the images.

Good pictures of the exit wound to the right front of JFK's head. Is that what you meant to post?

[RoboTimbo]

It doesn't make any difference. A bullet hole right of the mirror and a frothing defect below the mirror was captured at frame 255 by Altgens.

Removed repetitive images. Again.

Of course it matters. There is no hole in the windshield but there is a wagon wheel crack, as has been proven to you a couple of dozen times. You can continue to take pictures of your 13" tv playing a 3rd generation videotape of the Zapruder film with your 4 year old cell phone camera if you wish. There's still no hole in the windshied.

So when was the windshield changed on the way to Parkland? Was that when they switched out Kennedy's head for one with an exit wound in the rear?

[RoboTimbo]

If the bullet came through the windshield...

It doesn't but you take a few days to think about it and come up with some actual evidence.

[Robrob]

The fact that its there, no matter the direction, makes the official story false

How does a cracked windshield invalidate the "official story?" :confused:

[Walter Ego]

7forever, maybe you should join the other JFK thread? Things seem a little moribund here and there's little point in carrying on discussion in the two threads in tandem. I'd be very interested in seeing what Robert Prey thinks of your theory.

The 7-year-old is currently on suspension.
7forever has been suspended for 3 days for ignoring Moderator warnings regarding spamming the same images over and over again in a thread
The 7-year-old's JFK assassination theory is that the limo driver turned around and shot Kennedy in the head (yes, you read that correctly) and Robert believes the fatal head shot came from the grassy knoll. Like most hard-core JFK conspiracy theorists, the 7-year-old is not interested in promoting rival theories.

Yes, I know this would be hold up in court and every other theory would be destroyed and laughed at. The shot from the rear, the storm drains, the north grassy knoll...it's all garbage. Don't you see that I am all by myself and that is exactly where the truth would be this muddied old cover-up. Everyone is my enemy. Doug Horne, Fetzer, Groden, Dan Robertson, if he insists on the right temple entrance, Vince Palamara, Oliver Stone and the list goes on. They didn't have the balls to the tell the truth so they used the grassy knoll because it didn't directly accuse the government of killing Kennedy. The whole scene in the movie is the biggest editing snow job ever. They made it look like it came from the right side but it came from the front.

While we don't need a rehash of this thread in a different thread that is already too long and repetitious, it would be entertaining to see a battle of the conspiracy theories in a new thread.

The 7-year-old vs. Robert Prey! I'll make the popcorn! :popcorn1

[RoboTimbo]

7forever, Robert Prey thinks a hole in the windshield and the driver shooting Kennedy is crazy talk. He says there is no exit wound in the right of Kennedy's head and the shot came from the Grassy Knoll.

You don't think Greer shooting Kennedy and a hole in the windshield is crazy talk, do you? I wouldn't let that go unchallenged. Robert can be found here: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=222556

[LSSBB]

The 7-year-old is currently on suspension.

The 7-year-old's JFK assassination theory is that the limo driver turned around and shot Kennedy in the head (yes, you read that correctly) and Robert believes the fatal head shot came from the grassy knoll. Like most hard-core JFK conspiracy theorists, the 7-year-old is not interested in promoting rival theories.


While we don't need a rehash of this thread in a different thread that is already too long and repetitious, it would be entertaining to see a battle of the conspiracy theories in a new thread.

The 7-year-old vs. Robert Prey! I'll make the popcorn! :popcorn1

I'm surprised he doesn't think an orb did it, like he keeps spamming all over the internet about the WTC towers on 9/11.

[7forever]

Of course it matters. There is no hole in the windshield but there is a wagon wheel crack, as has been proven to you a couple of dozen times. You can continue to take pictures of your 13" tv playing a 3rd generation videotape of the Zapruder film with your 4 year old cell phone camera if you wish. There's still no hole in the windshied.


Of course it matters. There was a hole in the windshield that was captured by James Altgens at frame 255, but there was a wagon wheel crack that was photographed later, is fake and has nothing to do with the real hole photographed only 1.5 seconds after the bullet came through the winshield, as has been proven to you a couple dozen times. There will always be a hole in the windshield.



Removed repetitive images. Again.

[EventHorizon]

anwy2MPT5RE

[LSSBB]

Of course it matters. There was a hole in the windshield that was captured by James Altgens at frame 255, but there was a wagon wheel crack that was photographed later, is fake and has nothing to do with the real hole photographed only 1.5 seconds after the bullet came through the winshield, as has been proven to you a couple dozen times. There will always be a hole in the windshield.



That hole looks like an orb to me.

[RoboTimbo]

Of course it matters. There was a hole in the windshield that was captured by James Altgens at frame 255, but there was a wagon wheel crack that was photographed later, is fake and has nothing to do with the real hole photographed only 1.5 seconds after the bullet came through the winshield, as has been proven to you a couple dozen times. There will always be a hole in the windshield.



Removed repetitive images. Again.

Nope, no hole in the windshield. There is a wagon wheel crack, though. Your instructions were to come back from your vacation with some real evidence. You don't follow instructions.

[Walter Ego]

Today, 04:27 PM

7forever has been suspended for 2 weeks for again ignoring Moderator warnings regarding spamming the same images over and over again in a thread.

The 7-year old has been suspended again and Robert Prey has run away from the other JFK assassination thread so it looks like there won't be any discussion on this topic for a while. Just as well, I suppose. Robert, having exhausted his bag of tricks, was getting rather tedious. The 7-year old did provide more chock-full-of-kook entertainment than Mr. Prey and may return.

[Robrob]

You know, with bullets flying and different people being hit. That a fragment of something might have cracked a windshield is hardly surprising.

Why are some people surprised?

[LogicallyYours]

This guy is amazing...He actually believes that the best plan the CIA/SS/FBI/Girl Scouts could come up with to assassinate JFK...is to have the driver turn and shoot, while driving the limo...while be watched and photographed by thousands of people!

What a maroon!


Edited to remove uncivil alteration of a username. Please refrain from altering a member's handle in a derogatory manner.

[7forever]

The updated version of 'Murder from Within' is finally available for sale.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=murder+from+within&sprefix=Murder+from

[SpitfireIX]

The updated version of 'Murder from Within' is finally available for sale.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=murder+from+within&sprefix=Murder+from


In case you run short of toilet paper. :rolleyes:

[RoboTimbo]

The updated version of 'Murder from Within' is finally available for sale.

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=murder+from+within&sprefix=Murder+from

I understand if you choose not to post any evidence for your beliefs. That's the nature of belief, it doesn't have to be based on any actual reality.

[7forever]

Before killer Bill Greer shot jfk, he braked the limo to an almost complete stop. Notice the motorcycles and follow-up car come to complete stops.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/large-nix_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/09/fp.back_issues/27th_Issue/59_1.html
1) Houston Chronicle Reporter Bo Byers (rode in White House Press Bus)---twice stated that the Presidential Limousine "almost came to a stop, a dead stop"; in fact, he has had nightmares about this. [C-SPAN, 11/20/93, "Journalists Remember The Kennedy Assassination"; see also the 1/94 "Fourth Decade": article by Sheldon Inkol];

2) ABC Reporter Bob Clark (rode in the National Press Pool Car)---Reported on the air that the limousine stopped on Elm Street during the shooting [WFAA/ ABC, 11/22/63];

3) UPI White House Reporter Merriman Smith (rode in the same car as Clark, above)---"The President's car, possibly as much as 150 or 200 yards ahead, seemed to falter briefly" [UPI story, 11/23/63, as reported in "Four Days", UPI, p. 32];

4) DPD motorcycle officer James W. Courson (one of two mid-motorcade motorcycles)--"The limousine came to a stop and Mrs. Kennedy was on the back. I noticed that as I came around the corner at Elm. Then the Secret Service agent [Clint Hill] helped push her back into the car, and the motorcade took off at a high rate of speed." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 129];

5) DPD motorcycle officer Bobby Joe Dale (one of two rear mid-motorcade motorcycles)---"After the shots were fired, the whole motorcade came to a stop. I stood and looked through the plaza, noticed there was commotion, and saw people running around his [JFK's] car. It started to move, then it slowed again; that's when I saw Mrs. Kennedy coming back on the trunk and another guy [Clint Hill] pushing her back into the car." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 134];

6) Clemon Earl Johnson---"You could see it [the limo] speed up and then stop, then speed up, and you could see it stop while they [sic; Clint Hill] threw Mrs. Kennedy back up in the car. Then they just left out of there like a bat of the eye and were just gone." ["No More Silence" by Larry Sneed (1998), p. 80];

[7forever]

JFK Wound Witnesses - (ag6) (http://www.assassinationweb.com/ag6.htm)

These are people who were focused specifically on the where the wound was. Their findings are backed by Zapruder which places the hole on the right rear.

) KEMP CLARK, MD: Professor and Director of Neurological Surgery at Parkland, in an undated note apparently written contemporaneously at Parkland described the President's skull wound as, "...in the occipital region of the skull... Through the head wound, blood and brain were extruding... There was a large wound in the right occipitoparietal region, from which profuse bleeding was occurring... There was considerable loss of scalp and bone tissue. Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound." (WC--CE#392)

In a hand written note dated 11-22-63, Dr. Clark wrote, "a large 3 x 3 cm remnant of cerebral tissue present....there was a smaller amount of cerebellar tissue present also....There was a large wound beginning in the right occiput extending into the parietal region....Much of the skull appeared gone at the brief examination...." (Exhibit #392: WC V17:9-10)

At a press conference 2&1/2 hours after the shooting Clark said, "The head wound could have been either the exit wound from the neck or it could have been a tangential wound, as it was simply a large, gaping loss of tissue." ("At the White House with Wayne Hawks" news conference, 11/22/63, 3:16 PM, CST, Dallas, Texas) This virtually contemporaneous description is not entirely unequivocal. However, if JFK's skull defect were not rearward, it is impossible to imagine Clark would have conjectured that the skull defect was the possible exit site of the neck wound, for Malcolm Perry, MD, who participated with him in the press conference, and had performed a tracheotomy on JFK, had just claimed three times the neck wound was a wound of entrance.

In a typed summary submitted to Rear Admiral Burkley on 11-23-63, Clark described the head wound as, "a large wound in the right occipito-parietal region... Both cerebral and cerebellar tissue were extruding from the wound. (Warren Report, p.518, Warren Commission Exhibit #392, Lifton, D. Best Evidence, p. 322)

Under oath and to the Warren Commission's Arlen Specter, Clark described his findings upon arrival to the emergency room, "I then examined the wound in the back of the President's head. This was a large, gaping wound in the right posterior part, with cerebral and cerebellar tissue being damaged and exposed." (WC--V6:20) Specter, either inattentive to Dr. Clark's skull wound description or wishing to move the wound more anterior than the eyewitness, neurosurgery professor placed it, later asked Clark, "Now, you described the massive wound at the top of the of the President's head, with brain protruding..." (WC:6:25) Dr. Clark later located the skull wound to Mr. Specter again, "...in the right occipital region of the President's skull, from which considerable blood loss had occurred which stained the back of his head, neck and upper shoulders." (WC--V6:29)

In answer to a question from Specter about the survivability of Kennedy's head wounding, Clark said: "...the loss of cerebellar (sic) tissue wound probably have been of minimal consequence in the performance of his duties. The loss of the right occipital and probably part of the right parietal lobes wound have been of specific importance..." (WC6:26) That Clark, a neurosurgeon, specified that the occipital lobe of the brain was missing cannot suggest anything but a very posterior defect.

2) ROBERT McCLELLAND, MD: In testimony at Parkland taken before Arlen Specter on 3-21-64, McClelland described the head wound as, "...I could very closely examine the head wound, and I noted that the right posterior portion of the skull had been extremely blasted. It had been shattered...so that the parietal bone was protruded up through the scalp and seemed to be fractured almost along its right posterior half, as well as some of the occipital bone being fractured in its lateral half, and this sprung open the bones that I mentioned in such a way that you could actually look down into the skull cavity itself and see that probably a third or so, at least, of the brain tissue, posterior cerebral tissue and some of the cerebellar tissue had been blasted out...." (WC--V6:33) Later he said, "...unfortunately the loss of blood and the loss of cerebral and cerebellar tissues were so great that the efforts (to save Kennedy's life) were of no avail." (Emphasis added throughout) (WC--V6:34) McClelland made clear that he thought the rear wound in the skull was an exit wound (WC-V6:35,37). McClelland ascribed the cause of death to, "...massive head injuries with loss of large amounts of cerebral and cerebellar tissues and massive blood loss." (WC--V6:34)

McClelland's unwillingness to change his recollection has recently attracted detractors in the aftermath of Charles Crenshaw's book, "Conspiracy of Silence". McClelland told Posner, "I saw a piece of cerebellum fall out on the stretcher." (Posner, G. "CC.", p. 311, paper). To dismiss McClelland, Posner quotes Malcolm Perry, "I am astonished that Bob (McClelland) would say that... It shows such poor judgment, and usually he has such good judgment." (Posner G. "Case Closed". p. 311, paperback edition.) Perry's own inconsistent and unreliable memory lessens the merit of his opinions of others, as we will see.

No credible evidence of a forward exit has ever surfaced. IT IS COMPLETE FICTION.:covereyes

[7forever]

Source: http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

10 characteristics of Government Crapologists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are never fact-seekers, questioners, and will never consider a truth outside of official accounts. They simply accept the official version and never defend it against the least bit of scrutiny.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about disproven facts and pretend they are facts, no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simple fantasy.

<SNIP>, breach of rule 4.

9. It's never a cover-up. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are NO questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they turn off discrimination. They can tell a ******** story from a good one, they can tell good evidence from bad evidence and they can tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always lie and pretend that the official story which was never proven, is the Bible truth.

10. A person who always says the same thing, with no supporting proof, and says it over and over again is commonly considered to be a government drone.

[RoboTimbo]

No credible evidence of a forward exit has ever surfaced. IT IS COMPLETE FICTION.:covereyes

Well, except for the huge exit wound with ejecta to the right front that 100's of millions of people have seen in the Zapruder film. You used the right smiley for your post, covereyes. It describes the CT loonies pretty well.

[Walter Ego]

10 characteristics of Government Crapologists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are never fact-seekers, questioners, and will never consider a truth outside of official accounts. They simply accept the official version and never defend it against the least bit of scrutiny.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about disproven facts and pretend they are facts, no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simple fantasy.

<SNIP>

6. Inability to tell good evidence from bad. Crapologists have no place for peer-review, for scientific knowledge, for visual facts provided by video footage[/B]. The fact that a claim has been made by the officials, or those covering for them is enough for them to reproduce it and demand that it is true no matter how implausible and ridiculous those claims are. While they do this, of course they will claim to have "open minds" but abuse and embarrass humanity with their endless denials of simple facts.

<SNIP>

[B]9. It's never a cover-up. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are NO questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they turn off discrimination. They can tell a ******** story from a good one, they can tell good evidence from bad evidence and they can tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always lie and pretend that the official story which was never proven, is the Bible truth.

10. A person who always says the same thing, with no supporting proof, and says it over and over again is commonly considered to be a government drone.

Wow, the 7 year old is back. Interesting list. A fair amount of projection, though. If you do some editing, however, and substitute "Government Crapologists" with "Conspiracy Crapologists" you'd be right on the money. I like the part about not accepting You Tube videos as evidence.

In fact, items 1 through 4 are a spot-on description of Robert Prey. Speaking of whom, I notice Mr. Prey and the 7 year old are avoiding each other. Professional courtesy, maybe? ;)

Moderated content (rule 4) removed; #6 retained.

[Robrob]

Wow, the 7 year old is back. Interesting list. A fair amount of projection, though. If you do some editing, however, and substitute "Government Crapologists" with "Conspiracy Crapologists" you'd be right on the money. I like the part about not accepting You Tube videos as evidence.
Obviously he just took a "How to Spot CT Nuts" list and changed the names.

[EventHorizon]

10 characteristics of Government Crapologists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

1. Arrogance. They are never fact-seekers, questioners, and will never consider a truth outside of official accounts. They simply accept the official version and never defend it against the least bit of scrutiny.

2. Relentlessness. They will always go on and on about disproven facts and pretend they are facts, no matter how little evidence they have to go on or how much of what they have is simple fantasy.

Moderated content (rule 4) removed.

9. It's never a cover-up. And it is, isn't it? No sooner has the body been discovered, the bomb gone off, than the same people are producing the same old stuff, demanding that there are NO questions which need to be answered, at the same unbearable length. Because the most important thing about these people is that they turn off discrimination. They can tell a ******** story from a good one, they can tell good evidence from bad evidence and they can tell a good source from a bad one. And for that reason, they always lie and pretend that the official story which was never proven, is the Bible truth.

10. A person who always says the same thing, with no supporting proof, and says it over and over again is commonly considered to be a government drone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

[LSSBB]

Obviously he just took a "How to Spot CT Nuts" list and changed the names.

He did. He even kept the originator's name and didn't let on that he changed her statements. Here is the actual source: http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

[RoboTimbo]

Source: http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

10 characteristics of Government Crapologists
A useful guide by Donna Ferentes

You've been shown to be dishonest about falsely attributing words to someone that they didn't make. Locknar was kind enough to add the link at the beginning of your post to show its origin as a list of conspiraloon characteristics.

We'll need to add a #11 to Ms. Ferentes' list which you unsuccessfully tried to hijack, Lying like a rug.

[Walter Ego]

He did. He even kept the originator's name and didn't let on that he changed her statements. Here is the actual source: http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

So the 7 year old was lying? :jaw-dropp

I'm shocked, shocked! We'll have to send the little bugger to bed without his dinner tonight! :D

[7forever]

Greer pressed on the brakes in the muchmore film. The brake light illuminates and creates another...BOO-YA.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/killer-brakes_h_GIFSoupcom.gif
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hrX8lsb2WTk

[RoboTimbo]

Greer pressed on the brakes in the muchmore film. The brake light illuminates and creates another...BOO-YA.

And...?

[EventHorizon]

Amazing that he was able to hit the brakes AND steer while turning around to shoot the President all at the same time. A Renaissance man.

Perhaps you'd like to explain why the driver hitting the brakes is at all remarkable.

[SpitfireIX]

Amazing that he was able to hit the brakes AND steer while turning around to shoot the President all at the same time. A Renaissance man.

Perhaps you'd like to explain why the driver hitting the brakes is at all remarkable.


It's remarkable because it was absolutely the wrong thing to do, but someone blundering in a highly stressful moment hardly qualifies as proof of a conspiracy.

[LSSBB]

Greer pressed on the brakes in the muchmore film. The brake light illuminates and creates another...BOO-YA.



Looks like an orb (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=7832838#post7832838) to me.

[7forever]

PECULIAR POSNER...ALIEN CIA OP?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-baker/peculiar-posner_b_695710.html
At first glance, I thought my eyes were deceiving me. Here's a complaint letter to the editor published in The New York Times, from a man representing the highly controversial brother of Afghanistan's president Karzai---and the letter-writer's name is Gerald Posner.

Gerald Posner? Isn't that the same name as the investigative journalist who resigned from the website Daily Beast after allegations surfaced of serial plagiarism? (The Miami New Times also provided examples that Posner "seems to add, subtract, or misattribute quotes" and displayed a series of such "apparently altered or misattributed quotes.")


...
Snipped for compliance with Rule 4. Do not copy and paste lengthy tracts of text from elsewhere. Instead, cite a short quote and a link to the source.

[Wolrab]

The driver should have gunned the engine when Jackie was on the trunk, sending her ass over teacup. Wouldn't that have been a hoot? Might have been the original viral video.

What? It's no more tasteless than accusing the driver of assassinating the POTUS.

[catsmate1]

I understand if you choose not to post any evidence for your beliefs. That's the nature of belief, it doesn't have to be based on any actual reality.
It's characteristic of paranoid thinkers (http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/conspiracy_theory/the_paranoid_mentality/Rational_thinker_versus_paranoid.html).

[RoboTimbo]

Can anyone see a possible pattern here?

Absolutely. The CTwinks lie.

Any other questions?

[EventHorizon]

The driver should have gunned the engine when Jackie was on the trunk, sending her ass over teacup. Wouldn't that have been a hoot? Might have been the original viral video.

What? It's no more tasteless than accusing the driver of assassinating the POTUS.

That should not have made me laugh as hard as it did. :D

[Walter Ego]

PECULIAR POSNER...ALIEN CIA OP?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-baker/peculiar-posner_b_695710.html

<article snipped>

7, you're not supposed to cut and paste entire articles from other sites even with attribution. You're heading for another suspension and possible banning. We'd hate to lose you because your insanity is so much fun to read and you're so much more entertaining than that humorless know-it-all Robert Prey. Please be a good boy.

[matt.tansy]

PECULIAR POSNER...ALIEN CIA OP?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russ-baker/peculiar-posner_b_695710.html



"Comments are closed for this entry"

That should have set off your BS detector. Funny it didn't seem to dissuade you from posting it...

[7forever]

http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_1_11?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=murder+from+within&sprefix=Murder+from
Breach of rule 4 deleted; 7forever, please re-read your Membership Agreement, especially the area covering rule 4. These are the rules you agreed to follow when becoming a member here.

[RoboTimbo]

If you're trying to get banned to avoid providing evidence for your outlandish claims, you're on the right path.

[LogicallyYours]

What 7 ignores is, a shot from the Agent Greer is not supported by the forensic evidence which clearly shows blood, bone and brain matter in the drivers compartment and on the dashboard of the car. Also, the blood and brain matter on Greer's back is not explainable via a shot if Greer turned and shot.

Not only does this documented forensic evidence not support they Greer myth, it fully debunks the Greer myth.

7 doesn't want to deal with the real evidence, he only wants to use blurry video, photos, and conjecture....simply because what it displays is unclear. And, that is where 7 lives.

[pgwenthold]

What 7 ignores is, a shot from the Agent Greer is not supported by the forensic evidence which clearly shows blood, bone and brain matter in the drivers compartment and on the dashboard of the car. Also, the blood and brain matter on Greer's back is not explainable via a shot if Greer turned and shot.

But it IS consistent with that drawing from the Parkland doctor that Robert Prey keeps harping on in the other thread.

Who needs forensic evidence when you have this awesome video analysis and that great "dictated" drawing from memory?

In fact, it was the discussion of that drawing and the angle of JFKs head at the time of the shot that brought up the topic of the driver doing it in the other thread, since that is the only possible explanation for how such a wound could have occurred.

QED

[Robrob]

In fact, it was the discussion of that drawing and the angle of JFKs head at the time of the shot that brought up the topic of the driver doing it in the other thread, since that is the only possible explanation for how such a wound could have occurred.

I love how the CT loons decide to use Occam's razor to explain the (incorrectly) drawn head wound but continue to use the polar opposite of Occam's razor when theorizing about anything else.
:confused:

[LogicallyYours]

Not too mention, the autopsy photos, as well as, the skull x-rays clearly show the drawing to be incorrect.

[7forever]

Zapruder Frames - Costella Combined Edit (http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/)
Greer passed the gun in Zapruder before the shot and it's seen after the shot in frame 319. The passenger, Roy Kellerman reaches way to his left and retreives the gun after jfk is assassinated. He apparently braces his left arm on the seat and grabbed the gun with his right hand. The arrows indicate his head and upper right arm.

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/roy-reaches-for-gun_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/slow-roy-reach_h_GIFSoupcom.gif

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfkroyreaches.jpg

http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/Gifs/jfkgungifslow.gif

Changed images to links.

[RoboTimbo]

If you could just circle the gun in this video which hasn't gone through the CTwink dumbing down process:
1BPyhsW_CNI

[Kid Eager]

meh. what gun? where? are you sure it wasn't a recipe book?

[uke2se]

Insult-laden denial in

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