Why All the Glenn Beck Hate? 4/7 Broadcast

[suds101]

I watch Glen Beck almost every day and have read his book and I do not understand how people like Parky and everyone keep calling him insane and a "mainstream Alex Jones". He has spent more time debunking 9/11 theories than any other "mainstream" host I have seen. Today, he did a piece today on why the NAFTA camps rumors are so ludicrous. He also had a great quote on the dimwittedness and mentality of the common conspiracy theorist.

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3868886&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509929,00.html

Obviously, he is very vocal about his political beliefs but never tries to make himself a demigod and preacher like Olberman and Jon Stewart.

Will someone explain how Glen Beck can even be in the same sentence as the mentally insane, anti-Semite, hate monger Alex Jones?

[aviolet4u]

I think it started with the fema camp thing. There was a thread posted about him believing in them. That is the only thing I read about here.

[KellyG]

Glen Beck says some ridiculous things from time to time. He was talking about the possibility of FEMA concentration camps for a while and finally he caved and brought in an expert from popular mechanics to have him debunk internet claims. I suppose I am biased because I completely disagree with his politics, as I do with Hannity, Rush, et al.

Colbert spent a segment mocking him the other day and it has some pretty good clips showing his "showmanship (http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/223279/march-31-2009/the-10-31-project)".

[suds101]

It just does not seem like being a good Skeptic if you jump to call someone a 'main stream Alex Jones' or a conspiracy loon from one Youtube video.

[Brainster]

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Watch at about 1:55 in as Beck says he's done several days of research and he can't debunk the FEMA camps.

Beck's a nutjob, and he was dabbling in the nuttery with that. It's good that he finally "debunked" the FEMA camps, but the fact is that nobody on TV was talking about them before he announced that he couldn't debunk them.

I say this as a moderate Republican who opposes most of the Obama agenda (while recognizing that his election gives him legitimacy to act).

[David Wong]

I used to like Glenn Beck quite a bit, he's a likable guy and (at one point) seemed to be more grounded than the other guys in his field. But what's frustrating is the same thing that's frustrating about Ron Paul, which is that you can see them playing to the kooks because they want the kook support, while not actually believing any of the kook stuff themselves.

That's almost worse. It's Ron Paul saying, "Yeah, we definitely should investigate the unanswered questions behind 9/11" (nod nod, wink wink). All the truthers cheer, a few days later he clarifies but that's okay, the nutjobs have all the fuel they need.

Beck is playing to that bunker mentality for ratings ("They don't surround us! We surround them!"), feeding the paranoia that America is not, in fact, the victim of complex circumstances, countless competing agendas and legitimate policy disagreemnts, but rather a dark, shadowy force who intentionally wants to ruin the country.

It's the exact same thing that drove me nuts about the liberals during the Bush administration. No, we can't simply disagree on the finer legal points of illegal combatants and wire tapping. He's a fascist. He killed democracy.

It was idiocy when they said it, it's idiocy when Beck says it. He lumps in "socialist" and "totalitarian" as if the two words have the same meaning. He talks about how he holds his views "because I love my country" (implying that disagreement means you don't).

He's everything that's wrong with political discourse. He plays to the ugliest impulses in the populace because he knows doing otherwise means less ratings and a smaller paycheck.

Screw Glenn Beck.

[suds101]

xuPttI8uRyM

Watch at about 1:55 in as Beck says he's done several days of research and he can't debunk the FEMA camps.

Beck's a nutjob, and he was dabbling in the nuttery with that. It's good that he finally "debunked" the FEMA camps, but the fact is that nobody on TV was talking about them before he announced that he couldn't debunk them.

I say this as a moderate Republican who opposes most of the Obama agenda (while recognizing that his election gives him legitimacy to act).

I think you missed the point Glenn was trying to make. Just because something can not be disproved, does not mean it is valid, what-so-ever. Just because I can not disprove that their is an invisible leprechaun following me around who leaves absolutely no trace of himself, does not mean its true. Innocent until proven guilty. His point was there needs to be SOME evidence for these FEMA claims to have any validity or reason to be "debunked".

[abenja1]

Beck is an oppurtunist, albeit a smart one. During the Bush 43 presidency, people were less paranoid about the world around them. With Obama as president, gun sales rose out of irrational fear by people. Beck merely changes with the times. When a Republican is elected president, Beck will be the happy, president supporter.

[dudalb]

xuPttI8uRyM

Watch at about 1:55 in as Beck says he's done several days of research and he can't debunk the FEMA camps.

Beck's a nutjob, and he was dabbling in the nuttery with that. It's good that he finally "debunked" the FEMA camps, but the fact is that nobody on TV was talking about them before he announced that he couldn't debunk them.

I say this as a moderate Republican who opposes most of the Obama agenda (while recognizing that his election gives him legitimacy to act).

He "Debunked" the FEMA camps because of the bad press he got from that remark.
He's gotten smarter since the FEMA remarks. He is still pushing the theory that there are Dark Sinister Forces out To Destroy America, but now he avoids specific charges. He is still peddling woo.
I think he is trying to get the CT Kook crowd without driving away more mainstream viewers. Others have tired this, and, in the end, almost all ended up going over in Kook territory.
And the crackpot economists that Beck has on constantly is alone enough proof his is a crackpot.
My prediction: Beck has been s supporter of the "Sound money" movement for some time and he will, before too long,start spouting the Federal Reserve conspiracy nonsense.
BTW the sure sign of a Fanboy for a Media figure is when the writer starts calling the Celeb by his first name.

[Brainster]

He "Debunked" the FEMA camps because of the bad press he got from that remark.
He's gotten smarter since the FEMA remarks. He is still pushing the theory that there are Dark Sinister Forces out To Destroy America, but now he avoids specific charges. He is still peddling woo.
I think he is trying to get the CT Kook crowd without driving away more mainstream viewers. Others have tired this, and, in the end, almost all ended up going over in Kook territory.
And the crackpot economists that Beck has on constantly is alone enough proof his is a crackpot.
My prediction: Beck has been s supporter of the "Sound money" movement for some time and he will, before too long,start spouting the Federal Reserve conspiracy nonsense.
BTW the sure sign of a Fanboy for a Media figure is when the writer starts calling the Celeb by his first name.

Yes, I would expect him to go there, and probably also to the North American Union/NAFTA superhighway stuff, which has not proven to be a third rail for Lou Dobbs or Jerome Corsi.

He was surprised by the blowback on the FEMA camps; perhaps he was unaware that those rumors were a staple of anti-Bush propaganda.

[Corsair 115]

Yes, I would expect him to go there, and probably also to the North American Union/NAFTA superhighway stuff, which has not proven to be a third rail for Lou Dobbs or Jerome Corsi.


Arrgh, don't even get me started on the sheer stupidity of the North American Union/NAFTA superhighway stuff...

[Praktik]

He also suffers from that frequent conservative malady: "Golden Age Syndrome" - and I just can't get past it.

America's "fallen from grace", why can't things be the way they were before the hippies and homos came to change everything??

[dudalb]

Yes, I would expect him to go there, and probably also to the North American Union/NAFTA superhighway stuff, which has not proven to be a third rail for Lou Dobbs or Jerome Corsi.

Not familiar with Corsi, but Dobbs seems to steer away from the Conspiracy aspects of it,just suggesting that the NAU/Nafta stuff is not a good idea. I am not sure Beck will be ablt to keep away from Evil Dark Forces aspects of it.

[Praktik]

Give Corsi a google. One of the more odious figures on the American political scene.

Famous for launching the Swift Boat attacks but the guy's also anti-catholic, anti-jew and a pretty retrograde example of fringe conservative politics.

He hyped the NAU stuff pretty big and he made the rounds on the Fox blowhard circuit due to a book he released prior to the 08 election on Obama being a closet muslim and you know, where's the birth certificate??

I got a kick out of debunking him on the "Canadians Against the North American Union" facebook group cause most of that group were lefty protester types - they'd mention an interview with "Doctor" Jerome Corsi and I'd reply with some background on the dude, usually direct quotes about how catholics are closet homos and other hateful stuff.

They didn't realize his NAU schtick was a trojan horse for political ideas they were in fact inimically opposed to.

[Brainster]

He also suffers from that frequent conservative malady: "Golden Age Syndrome" - and I just can't get past it.

America's "fallen from grace", why can't things be the way they were before the hippies and homos came to change everything??

And how many liberals did the same "this isn't the country I grew up in," whining during the Bush Administration?

[Brainster]

Give Corsi a google. One of the more odious figures on the American political scene.

Liberal JREFer Boloboffin created a YouTube video of Corsi talking on the Alex Jones show about an impending article he was going to write on 9-11 "Truth", after some conservative JREFer :D pointed him to the audio.

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Corsi's anti-Obama book (The Obama Nation) had just hit the shelves and was the NY Times #1 bestseller for two consecutive weeks. But the NY Times Caucus (http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/14/anti-obama-author-on-911-conspiracy/) blog linked Boloboffin's video, as did dozens of liberal (http://www.oliverwillis.com/2008/08/14/jerome-corsi-911-truther/) and conservative blogs (http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/15/video-jerome-corsi-truther/). The Obama campaign also cited the video as a reason to discount Corsi's book, and as a result the book sank very quickly.

Famous for launching the Swift Boat attacks but the guy's also anti-catholic, anti-jew and a pretty retrograde example of fringe conservative politics.

Corsi did the writing of Unfit For Command, but not the research.

[Thunder]

I watch Glen Beck almost every day and have read his book and I do not understand how people like Parky and everyone keep calling him insane and a "mainstream Alex Jones".


do me a favor and don't mention me again.

[dudalb]

And how many liberals did the same "this isn't the country I grew up in," whining during the Bush Administration?

The Golden Age is a delusion that a great many people of all political beliefs suffer from. Someone stated that a big difference between a Conservative And Liberal is that Conservatives idolize the 1950's as a golden age, and view the 60's as a dark age and Liberals view the 50's as a dark age and remember the 60's with Rose Colored Glasses.

[Praktik]

And how many liberals did the same "this isn't the country I grew up in," whining during the Bush Administration?

Actually I dont see it manifest that way on the left. Far common is the "garden of eden" variation of Golden Age Syndrome - things were so much better when man was closer to nature and didnt war and didnt have corporations and everybody bartered and women ran matriarchal societies and so on.

EDIT: I realize I may see more of that then yours due to a generational difference - I am 28...;)

[suds101]

do me a favor and don't mention me again.

Oh please. I just read a post you made about Glenn Beck. You don't get to own every anti-Israel, anti-Semitic (oops, your Jewish so the posts can't be) and anti-conservative thread and say you are unable to be referenced.

[mark4mark]

I don't know he, froths somewhat crazily like Jones.
He's definitely knee-deep in woo...

[ImaginalDisc]

Actually I dont see it manifest that way on the left. Far common is the "garden of eden" variation of Golden Age Syndrome - things were so much better when man was closer to nature and didnt war and didnt have corporations and everybody bartered and women ran matriarchal societies and so on.

EDIT: I realize I may see more of that then yours due to a generational difference - I am 28...;)

To be fair, this a common lament no matter what a person's political leanings are. Listen to my family and you'd think Batista era Cuba was a topical paradise where everyone ate a feast each night and danced under the stars.

[Gangularis]

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Glenn Beck is off his rocker... There are gullible, easily influenced folks out there, like the guy that just shot a bunch of people because he was afraid "Obama's gonna take his guns", and Glenn Beck knows this.. The level of incendiary behavior coming out of right wing loons like Beck, is out of control. We haven't even hit Obama's first 100 days..

"going to release gitmo terrorists onto our streets"... statements like this are bold faced lies, with the pure intent to insight hatred.

[Thunder]

Oh please. I just read a post you made about Glenn Beck. You don't get to own every anti-Israel, anti-Semitic (oops, your Jewish so the posts can't be) and anti-conservative thread and say you are unable to be referenced.

ok

[KingMerv00]

ok oooooooooooooooooooooook :confused:

Fixed it for you.

[LightinDarkness]

I know some of the responses geared toward Beck are from the left-wing lunatic fringe who are upset that Barack is getting criticism. And while I really hate to agree with the lunatic fringe because this sort of insanity was directed at Bush and was arguably much worse from day 1, facts are facts and Beck has lost it.

There are a large amount of legitimate criticisms towards the current administration. However this is television, and unfortunately Beck knows taking this on intelligently won't get him the ratings. So he caters to the conspiracy theory lunatic fringe instead. Its the Fox equivalent of Keith Olbermann's (still) nightly hysterics that the Bush Administration wants to steal your rights, listen into your phone sex calls, and sacrifices kittens to the spirit of Ronald Reagen. Never mind that the Bush administration is gone, Keith has to keep up those ratings and if he doesn't bash Bush he wouldn't have any.

The proverbial race to the bottom is on.

[T.A.M.]

I use to like Glenn Beck. He was a conservative yes, but he seemed to be an ordinary joe, which I liked.

Lately however, he has gone off the deep end...his antics are insane now.

TAM:)

[LightinDarkness]

I have to also add after watching a few videos that Glenn seems to be having an identity crises. At some points he does a very good job with debunking conspiracy theories and blowing them out of the water. He brought in Popular Mechanics to debunk FEMA camps and even did 2 segments on it, here is the first one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5RN-LlFvgI

Now - this is doing a public service. We need more media debunking of conspiracies. Sure the CTers themselves will claim its just part of the NWO plot against them, but its a good immunization for the general public against this sort of insanity.

But then on other days I can't tell the difference between him and any other CTer.

[Gangularis]

The only reason he did that is because he doesn't want to look like too much of a kook.

[Drudgewire]

I use to like Glenn Beck. He was a conservative yes, but he seemed to be an ordinary joe, which I liked.


He had back surgery that was possibly botched. He railed against the doctors in the hospital and has never been the same guy since. :(

[boloboffin]

The only reason he did that is because he Roger Ailes doesn't want him to look like too much of a kook.

There, fixed that for you. ;)

[suds101]

Fixed it for you.

8th grade banter showed me. Touche.

[Gangularis]

There, fixed that for you. ;)

ty -_-'

[UnrepentantSinner]

He was surprised by the blowback on the FEMA camps; perhaps he was unaware that those rumors were a staple of anti-Bush propaganda.

They actually go back further than that and had their heyday during the Clinton administration.

[Drudgewire]

They actually go back further than that and had their heyday during the Clinton administration.


Yeah they were a recurring theme during my CT period which was mid to late 90s.

[KingMerv00]

I know some of the responses geared toward Beck are from the left-wing lunatic fringe who are upset that Barack is getting criticism. And while I really hate to agree with the lunatic fringe because this sort of insanity was directed at Bush and was arguably much worse from day 1, facts are facts and Beck has lost it.

Is it customary for you to bash someone even as you agree with them? Do yourself a favor, leave the blind rage at home every once in a while. It will be good for your blood pressure.

[T.A.M.]

The problem with Beck now, is as he helps put to rest some CTs, his paranoia has developed some of his very own.

It is sad really, as he use to, at least from appearances, be mentally stable.

TAM:)

[technoextreme]

xuPttI8uRyM

Watch at about 1:55 in as Beck says he's done several days of research and he can't debunk the FEMA camps.

Beck's a nutjob, and he was dabbling in the nuttery with that. It's good that he finally "debunked" the FEMA camps, but the fact is that nobody on TV was talking about them before he announced that he couldn't debunk them.

I say this as a moderate Republican who opposes most of the Obama agenda (while recognizing that his election gives him legitimacy to act).
In his defense that is probably a misrepresentation of what he said. He said on the Popular Mechanics interview that he did several days of research and he was surprised that he couldn't find these places to debunk them.

[LightinDarkness]

Is it customary for you to bash someone even as you agree with them? Do yourself a favor, leave the blind rage at home every once in a while. It will be good for your blood pressure.

Thank you for revealing the warped and demented ideology of the lunatic left.

Like the lunatic rantings over Bush from day 1, the same rantings over Obama are equally insane. I am sorry you don't like that and are blinded by your partisan hatred. Perhaps you should stop getting so upset and enraged over people that are not of your political ideology? You might want to see a doctor over this, this kind of blind hatred of others isn't healthy.

[Gangularis]

Thank you for revealing the warped and demented ideology of the lunatic left.

Facts are facts - get over it. Much of the lunatic left is deranged over the fact that Barack Obama would get any criticism whatsoever, and that is the source of much of their hysterics over Glenn Beck. As it is any other media figure that media matters and the huffington post targets. These are hypocrites because they did the very same deranged ranting against Bush, as they would any right wing person.

Like the lunatic rantings over Bush from day 1, the same rantings over Obama are equally insane. I am sorry you don't like that and are blinded by your partisan hatred. Perhaps you should stop getting so upset and enraged over people that are not of your political ideology? You might want to see a doctor over this, this kind of blind hatred of others isn't healthy.

Equally insane? You're joking, right? You have watched the glenn beck videos in this thread, right? Show me one pundit, right after Bush got elected for his first term, that acted ANYTHING like this.. You say "facts are facts".. So show us your proof of those facts.

btw.. what in the HELL does what kingmerv said have to do with the warped ideology of the left??

[LightinDarkness]

Equally insane? You're joking, right? You have watched the glenn beck videos in this thread, right? Show me one pundit, right after Bush got elected for his first term, that acted ANYTHING like this.. You say "facts are facts".. So show us your proof of those facts.

btw.. what in the HELL does what kingmerv said have to do with the warped ideology of the left??

The reaction that because I point out the hypocrisy of the lunatic fringe that I am somehow filled with "rage" is typical of the left-wing lunatic fringe projection and hyperbole. Its a comedy of errors and a staple of the non sequitur thought process that defines the radical left wing. Given your continual slanderous comments against anyone who doesn't share a left-wing perspective you've made your own ideology crystal clear, so its not a surprise you'd defend that sort of reasoning.

Facts are facts -

Creating a movie about murdering (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5333220.stm) the previous President is lunatic fringe, and it is confirmed when the Huffington Post praised the film and was openly hoping it would come true. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-dorchen/our-presidents-body-our_b_30328.html) Indeed, the Huffington Post is a cornerstone of left-wing hysteria and I encourage you to give me anything thats been said about Obama - there is nothing that has been said which the Huffington Post did not say about Bush that was spun from the opposite ideology (Example: Obama is called socialist while HuffPo called Bush a fascist, Obama called anti-capitalist while HuffPo claimed Bush hated poor people, etc.).

Nightly for the past 6 years, Keith Olbermann has engaged in lunatic fringe rants filled with sound and fury signifying nothing. I could create an entire book out of this deranged lunatic, but among other things he enjoys throwing endless direct insults like calling the ex-President a fascist, liar, and a terrorist (http://crooksandliars.com/node/19118). He also did the same thing to the ex-Vice President. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wi7xg0WqU8) And in both of those instances he, among other things, accused Bush and company as being involved in a plot to steal American rights away - no different from typical Alex Jones fear and hate mongering on Obama.

I can find equally deranged rantings from Day 1 after Bush got elected if you like, just find me an archive of Al Frankin or Olbermann for Bush's second term or transcripts from MSNBC in 2001 for Bush's first term. I'm not doing all the research for you.

And I could go on, and on, and on. But if you can't see the truth and facts for what it is then I can't help you. The hypocrisy of the left-wing lunatic fringe decrying any criticism of Obama while engaged in the same - and indeed, much worse thus far - tactics against Bush is hilarious and sad. And while I agree that the likes of Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, etc. are engaged in a right-wing lunatic fringe fear mongering campaign, it is fundamentally no different than those used by Keith Olbermann, Media Matters, the Huffington Post, Crooks and Liars, the Daily Kos, and the rest of the left-wing fringe. It would be ignorant (and a denial of reality) to not recognize that this has been going on for the past 8 years except reversed and targeted at the previous administration.

That's called being fair, instead of just pointing out the lunatic fringe when they target your preferred political ideology.

[Gangularis]

Facts are facts -

Creating a movie about murdering (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/5333220.stm) the previous President is lunatic fringe, and it is confirmed when the Huffington Post praised the film and was openly hoping it would come true. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-dorchen/our-presidents-body-our_b_30328.html) Indeed, the Huffington Post is a cornerstone of left-wing hysteria and I encourage you to give me anything thats been said about Obama - there is nothing that has been said which the Huffington Post did not say about Bush that was spun from the opposite ideology (Example: Obama is called socialist while HuffPo called Bush a fascist, Obama called anti-capitalist while HuffPo claimed Bush hated poor people, etc.).

This isn't stuff from day 1.. This is stuff that happened after bush created two wars, and the republicans pushed the patriot act through congress..

Nightly for the past 6 years, Keith Olbermann has engaged in lunatic fringe rants filled with sound and fury signifying nothing. I could create an entire book out of this deranged lunatic, but among other things he enjoys throwing endless direct insults like calling the ex-President a fascist, liar, and a terrorist (http://crooksandliars.com/node/19118). He also did the same thing to the ex-Vice President. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Wi7xg0WqU8) And in both of those instances he, among other things, accused Bush and company as being involved in a plot to steal American rights away - no different from typical Alex Jones fear and hate mongering on Obama.

Actually, you're pretty out there if you're comparing Alex Jones to Keith Olbermann.. and again, this doesn't support your "from day 1" assertion.. This is after Bush pushed us into two wars, and started rounding up people, and imprisoning them without due process, and spying on it's own citizens, without warrants.

I can find equally deranged rantings from Day 1 after Bush got elected if you like, just find me an archive of Al Frankin or Olbermann for Bush's second term or transcripts from MSNBC in 2001 for Bush's first term. I'm not doing all the research for you.

It's your job to prove your assertions.

And I could go on, and on, and on. But if you can't see the truth and facts for what it is then I can't help you. The hypocrisy of the left-wing lunatic fringe decrying any criticism of Obama while engaged in the same - and indeed, much worse thus far - tactics against Bush is hilarious and sad.

ha! that's a joke.. "much worse".. but I thought they were "equally insane".. Now you're saying left wing pundits are more insane. Now who is showing their partisan colors?

And while I agree that the likes of Glenn Beck, Alex Jones, etc. are engaged in a right-wing lunatic fringe fear mongering campaign, it is fundamentally no different than those used by Keith Olbermann, Media Matters, the Huffington Post, Crooks and Liars, the Daily Kos, and the rest of the left-wing fringe. It would be ignorant (and a denial of reality) to not recognize that this has been going on for the past 8 years except reversed and targeted at the previous administration.

I'm sorry, I don't recall anyone on a mainstream news outlet going off the deep end, quite the way beck has.. essentially insighting revolution in the process.. Show me one video of someone in the mainstream media, that went off the hilt, quite like this, within the first 100 days of Bush's presidency... Just one..

[LightinDarkness]

This isn't stuff from day 1.. This is stuff that happened after bush created two wars, and the republicans pushed the patriot act through congress..

Wrong as usual. On day 1 of Obama's inauguration his approval ratings were 70%+ and Fox News was slobbering over themselves with praise. Please find me anyone who on day 1 was engaged in the sort of lunacy you seem to be determined to think exists. Furthermore, you have crafted a straw man - while the media certainly wasn't as praise worthy of Bush on day 1 neither was anyone engaged in lunatic fringe activities around Obama on day 1.

Of course, it doesn't really matter on what day it occurs. Its all insane, but because you support the left-wing you don't want to see that. Your comments show your hysterical bias and unwillingness to accept the lunatic fringe - it is impossible for Bush to create wars or to push through any legislation. Congress must pass and approve of both, and they did both. The lunatic fringe response to everything Bush did was just as bad as the same stupidity against Obama. Those are the facts, and that is reality.


Actually, you're pretty out there if you're comparing Alex Jones to Keith Olbermann.. and again, this doesn't support your "from day 1" assertion.. This is after Bush pushed us into two wars, and started rounding up people, and imprisoning them without due process, and spying on it's own citizens, without warrants.

You are a member of the left wing lunatic fringe if you defend Keith Olbermann while blasting people like Alex Jones. And again, I never made any sort of "day 1" claim - thats a device you are using to ignore the truth. The truth of course is that it doesn't matter when it occurred, the left-wing fringe did the same thing.



It's your job to prove your assertions.

And indeed I have proven them. Mean while you offer nothing - where is your evidence? Oh, you don't have any.


ha! that's a joke.. "much worse".. but I thought they were "equally insane".. Now you're saying left wing pundits are more insane. Now who is showing their partisan colors?

If you would stop frothing at the mouth over your rabid support of the left wing for a minute and read it would be most beneficial. Creating a movie about murdering President Bush and then supporting the idea is far worse than anything thats been said about Obama. If you have any evidence that anything of equal stupidity has been done so far against Obama, please provide it. You have none, because you are wrong.


I'm sorry, I don't recall anyone on a mainstream news outlet going off the deep end, quite the way beck has.. essentially insighting revolution in the process.. Show me one video of someone in the mainstream media, that went off the hilt, quite like this, within the first 100 days of Bush's presidency... Just one..

Then you are in blatant denial of the facts. Keith Olbermann has gone off the deep end every night for the past 6 years, and I just linked to multiple examples. Inciting violence against Bush, fear mongering, hate mongering - all on the same level as Beck. I just showed you the evidence, but you are in blatant denial.

This "first 100 days" thing is you trying to create a defense mechanism because you know that there are no archives for me to go look through in 2001 - youtube wasn't around then, and nor were archives of TV shows that are now online.

Never fear, despite all this its still easy to show the lunatic fringe operating from day 1 with cries of "Bush stole the election" and "conspiracy to steal the election" along with other equally insane claims:

http://www.impeachbush.tv/el2000/
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/billpress.column/index.html
http://www.workers.org/ww/2000/election1221.php

Now lets see. I've shown that the lunatic left fringe was in full swing immediately after Bush was elected. I've shown that the lunatic fringe was in full swing after he was elected. Anyone without partisan colored glasses would look at this and simply admit that - despite how left-wing they are - that both sides engage in this sort of stupidity and that the right-wing insanity going on right now is no different than what when on with Bush.

But I don't expect you to do that...it would require admitting reality.

[Gangularis]

Wrong as usual. On day 1 of Obama's inauguration his approval ratings were 70%+ and Fox News was slobbering over themselves with praise. Furthermore, you have crafted a straw man - while the media certainly wasn't as praise worthy of Bush on day 1 neither was anyone engaged in lunatic fringe activities around Obama on day 1.

Of course, it doesn't really matter on what day it occurs. Its all insane, but because you support the left-wing you don't want to see that. Your comments show your hysterical bias and unwillingness to accept the lunatic fringe - it is impossible for Bush to create wars or to push through any legislation. Congress must pass and approve of both, and they did both.

Strawman? You just completely bypassed the topic.



You are a member of the left wing lunatic fringe if you defend Keith Olbermann while blasting people like Alex Jones.

Yes, lunatic fringe.. Do you even know what a really staunch liberal acts like? Keith Olbermann would pale in comparison. Olbermann is so fringe, and just like Alex Jones he has his own.. mainstream network television show.. Oh wait a minute..


And again, I never made any sort of "day 1" claim - thats a device you are using to ignore the truth.

That's just a complete lie.

The truth of course is that it doesn't matter when it occurred, the left-wing fringe did the same thing.

You're the one that made the from day one, claim.. The time frame matters, only because there's only so much one can do, to be critical of in such a short time.. And already, the republicans are screaming as loudly as they can that he's going to destroy the country.. no.. not just erode your rights and destroy the constitution.. but one step further, and completely destroy the country..




And indeed I have proven them. Mean while you offer nothing - where is your evidence? Oh, you don't have any.

No you haven't. Why do I have to offer evidence when I'm not the one making assertions? If you make a claim, and I ask for proof, you're going to turn around and ask me for proof of what, exactly?



If you would stop frothing at the mouth over your rabid support of the left wing for a minute and read it would be most beneficial. Creating a movie about murdering President Bush and then supporting the idea is far worse than anything thats been said about Obama.

Misconstrue the truth, much? You make this statement as if the creators of the film supported the idea of assassinating Bush, in real life. They didn't.

"I think the film makes it clear it would really be a horrific event,"

They used a real life president because they wanted the film to be more realistic and compelling... Then you go on to quote news article by some pundit I've never heard of, that's fantasizing about "if it were only true".. Neither the pundit, nor the movie, reach near the mainstream exposure that Beck enjoys..



If you have any evidence that anything of equal stupidity has been done so far against Obama, please provide it. You have none, because you are wrong.

I just posted a video of glen beck suggesting that Obama "may as well just shoot me in the head now"... and then he proceeded to pretend to douse a guy in gasoline, and suggested Obama may as well just light him on fire.. This wasn't just some one time, made for british television movie... This is a pundit, in the mainstream, American media.. Furthermore, he's insighting them with complete, and utter distortions of facts..


Then you are in blatant denial of the facts. Keith Olbermann has gone off the deep end every night for the past 6 years, and I just linked to multiple examples. Inciting violence against Bush, fear mongering, hate mongering - all on the same level as Beck. I just showed you the evidence, but you are in blatant denial.

No.. none NEAR the same level as Beck.. but you'd sure like to pretend so.

This "first 100 days" thing is you trying to create a defense mechanism because you know that there are no archives for me to go look through in 2001 - youtube wasn't around then, and nor were archives of TV shows that are now online.

There are lots of things on youtube that go way back... The first 100 day things has to do with the fact that you made the statement "from day 1"... And the fact that there's only so much to criticize in such a short time frame without resorting to completely distorting the truth and making stuff up, just so you can have an excuse to validate your running around with your head chopped off.

Never fear, despite all this its still easy to show the lunatic fringe operating from day 1 with cries of "Bush stole the election" and "conspiracy to steal the election" along with other equally insane claims:

http://www.impeachbush.tv/el2000/
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/ALLPOLITICS/07/23/billpress.column/index.html
http://www.workers.org/ww/2000/election1221.php



You really think the outrage, and suspiciousness, and the disaster, that was the 2000 election requires you to be some of the "lunatic fringe", in order to question it?

Now lets see. I've shown that the lunatic left fringe was in full swing immediately after Bush was elected. I've shown that the lunatic fringe was in full swing after he was elected.

You're right. You've shown me "the fringe".

Anyone without partisan colored glasses would look at this and simply admit that - despite how left-wing they are - that both sides engage in this sort of stupidity and that the right-wing insanity going on right now is no different than what when on with Bush.

You showed me fringe, insanity. I've showed you conservative, talking pundits, in the mainstream, insanity.

But I don't expect you to do that...it would require admitting reality.

Show me the reality where mainstream, liberal pundits that were acting this way.. Oh, I know.. you've got Keith Olbermann.. Someone who wasn't even popular until more recent years... Only after everyone turned on Bush, did he enjoy any sort of recognizable mainstream status..

On the other hand, we've got the manical rantings from Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh.. and on and on and on... You're trying to level the playing field on this is just an attempt to justify right wing, mainstream, insanity.

[T.A.M.]

Thank you for revealing the warped and demented ideology of the lunatic left.

Like the lunatic rantings over Bush from day 1, the same rantings over Obama are equally insane. I am sorry you don't like that and are blinded by your partisan hatred. Perhaps you should stop getting so upset and enraged over people that are not of your political ideology? You might want to see a doctor over this, this kind of blind hatred of others isn't healthy.

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Politics forum people...take the hate to the hate cauldron over there.

Focus on Beck.

TAM:D

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It's still about Beck..

And to refocus a little bit..

Lightindarkness, I think if you believe Keith Olbermann is Glenn Beck's equal, I think you're off your rocker..

[T.A.M.]

I think Beck has lost it, in a big way. I think Olbermann is more tolerable. he loses it from time to time, with his "comments" section, etc... but overall he is less outrageous, and IMO is more accurate when he suggests a conspiracy.

Alex Jones is so off the map, compared to either Olbermann or Beck, that it is not even a fair comparison. Same thing with Limp Baugh.

TAM:)

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I think Beck has lost it, in a big way. I think Olbermann is more tolerable. he loses it from time to time, with his "comments" section, etc... but overall he is less outrageous, and IMO is more accurate when he suggests a conspiracy.

Alex Jones is so off the map, compared to either Olbermann or Beck, that it is not even a fair comparison. Same thing with Limp Baugh.



TAM:)


I disagree about Limbaugh, he is over the top, but not batcrap crazy like Beck. Rush rants a lot, but at least he does not go in for Conspiracy Theories, which is Beck's undoing.
I would put Olbermann on the same level as O Reilly or Hannity: Somebody who is really to use quite a few half lies and distortions to push his point of view.
And Olbermann uses a tactic that is, sadly, becoming common: (Hannity uses it also): when presenting an "opposing viewpoint" pick someone who really,really, comes off bad ,where as the guests who support your point of view are always articulate and well spoken.
Frankly, I am concerned about how TV news is becoming dominated by "Opinion" shows. Dan Rather expressed the same concern last year. He stated that he has no objections to such shows once in a while, but that they are now dominating TV news is not good.

[LightinDarkness]

Strawman? You just completely bypassed the topic.

And you continue to prove me to be correct.


Yes, lunatic fringe.. Do you even know what a really staunch liberal acts like? Keith Olbermann would pale in comparison. Olbermann is so fringe, and just like Alex Jones he has his own.. mainstream network television show.. Oh wait a minute..

Your logic astounds and amazes. If qualifier for determining whether something was fringe was whether it was on mainstream network televsion, then Glenn Beck would be completely mainstream because he has a show on a mainstream news network. You just debunked yourself. Again.


That's just a complete lie.

And your evidence would be...? You don't have any. You think you can dismiss everything that shows you are wrong by proclaiming it a lie, but the truth shines through and you are wrong.


You're the one that made the from day one, claim.. The time frame matters, only because there's only so much one can do, to be critical of in such a short time.. And already, the republicans are screaming as loudly as they can that he's going to destroy the country.. no.. not just erode your rights and destroy the constitution.. but one step further, and completely destroy the country..

OK, so you really are just making this up as you go along in your frantic, flailing attempt to defend the left-wing lunatic fringe (because you agree with it) while bashing the right-wing lunatic fringe (because you don't agree with it).

The time frame doesn't matter - at no point was Bush ever out to turn the country to fascism (as he was accused by the fringe left), and at no point is Obama going to be out to turn the country into communism (as he is accused by the fringe right). That I've shown you directly countless lunatic accusations thrown at Bush and you dismiss them further demonstrates your near hysterical bias. I'm pretty sure the left-wing fringe proclaiming that Bush was out to destroy the constitution is much worse than declaring Obama is out to destroy the country (although I think you are making this one up). The constitution, in case you didn't know, is what makes the country.



No you haven't. Why do I have to offer evidence when I'm not the one making assertions? If you make a claim, and I ask for proof, you're going to turn around and ask me for proof of what, exactly?

You have now been offered around 10 cases demonstrating my point, and you have offered 0 cases that disprove any of my points or support any of yours. That is because you are wrong. That you dismiss all the evidence that debunks you is, again, just further evidence of your extreme bias.


Misconstrue the truth, much? You make this statement as if the creators of the film supported the idea of assassinating Bush, in real life. They didn't.

You fail yet again. The Huffington Post directly encouraged the idea. I provided the evidence, you fail to read anything that doesn't agree with you.


They used a real life president because they wanted the film to be more realistic and compelling... Then you go on to quote news article by some pundit I've never heard of, that's fantasizing about "if it were only true".. Neither the pundit, nor the movie, reach near the mainstream exposure that Beck enjoys..

The pundit is on Huffington Post, a staple left-wing blog that enjoys a lot of exposure. In fact its creator was on CNBC plugging it just the other day. Huffington Post stories are quoted often in the press, and their stealing of media content is also quoted often in the press. That you deny these facts is, yet again, further proof of your hysterical left-wing bias.


I just posted a video of glen beck suggesting that Obama "may as well just shoot me in the head now"... and then he proceeded to pretend to douse a guy in gasoline, and suggested Obama may as well just light him on fire.. This wasn't just some one time, made for british television movie... This is a pundit, in the mainstream, American media.. Furthermore, he's insighting them with complete, and utter distortions of facts..

Suggesting that Obama should shoot someone in the head as a obvious metaphor for the damage Beck believes he is doing to the country has no relationship to encouraging people to murder George Bush - which your much adored left-wing lunatic fringe did multiple times. They even made a movie about it, and the left wing applauded.

Keith Olbermann incites hatred and fear mongering nightly with complete and utter distortions of facts, where is your outrage? Oh I forgot, you agree with that spin...



No.. none NEAR the same level as Beck.. but you'd sure like to pretend so.

Again, you provide no evidence of this while I provide multiple pieces of evidence that debunk you. Your denial of reality does not change reality.



There are lots of things on youtube that go way back... The first 100 day things has to do with the fact that you made the statement "from day 1"... And the fact that there's only so much to criticize in such a short time frame without resorting to completely distorting the truth and making stuff up, just so you can have an excuse to validate your running around with your head chopped off.

And indeed I provided multiple examples of the left-wing lunatic fringe going of the rail from Day 1. I'm sorry you are so angry and enraged that your politics is just as filled with stupidity as the people are you bashing, but the facts have debunked you and you have lost.


You really think the outrage, and suspiciousness, and the disaster, that was the 2000 election requires you to be some of the "lunatic fringe", in order to question it?

Ah I see, you are a member of the lunatic fringe. Thanks for demonstrating that. Anyone running around that Bush was "involved in a conspiracy" to "steal the election" (direct quotes from sources linked) was a woo. And you appear to be among their ranks if you can't see why this relegates someone to the fringe.


You're right. You've shown me "the fringe".

Of course fringe relates to fringe ideology - like yours - not where such radical ideas appear in the press. The George Bush assassination movie got tons of coverage on the mainstream news, doesn't mean it was a mainstream idea (maybe in your world).


You showed me fringe, insanity. I've showed you conservative, talking pundits, in the mainstream, insanity.

No, you haven't showed anything. Because I do not buy into fringe dogma I recognize stupidity on both sides, you only recognize one because you are the left wing fringe. Keith Olbermann is a liberal, talking pundit, and hes quite insane while having a mainstream show. There are also a handful of Air America hosts that do worse.


Show me the reality where mainstream, liberal pundits that were acting this way.. Oh, I know.. you've got Keith Olbermann.. Someone who wasn't even popular until more recent years... Only after everyone turned on Bush, did he enjoy any sort of recognizable mainstream status..

Sorry I've showed my burden of proof with over 10 pieces of evidence while you sit back acting hysterical and providing nothing. You have shown nothing - so please, show us all these many insane right wingers.


On the other hand, we've got the manical rantings from Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh.. and on and on and on... You're trying to level the playing field on this is just an attempt to justify right wing, mainstream, insanity.

You fail again. The only lunatic fringe member there is Glenn Beck, who we have already covered. Hannity and Limbaugh are talking pundits, neither have any similarity to Beck. Right wingers? Sure, we also have lots of left-wingers like them including most of the Air America cast and every MSNBC program. None of those are lunatic fringe. Neither Hannity or Limbaugh have ever promoted violence or conspiracy theories.

[LightinDarkness]

Alright, I realize the futility of trying to explain to someone who is in the left-wing lunatic fringe why this sort of insanity goes on for both sides. I previously didn't realize I was talking to someone who actually was that biased, but the conversation shows I was wrong. Welcome to the ignore list, gangularis. I hope one day you can stop letting your extreme partisan views distort reality. Now, back to our normally scheduled show on Glenn Beck -

I can't find youtube videos of it (must not be looking under the right search terms), but he did a show a month or two ago that was Doom Mongering 101. An entire hour of woo level "the end is nigh", the economy is dead, etc. It was quite amusing - as he was bringing on nutters like Gerald Celente, at some parts I couldn't tell if I was listening to Beck or Cost to Coast AM.

[T.A.M.]

I disagree about Limbaugh, he is over the top, but not batcrap crazy like Beck. Rush rants a lot, but at least he does not go in for Conspiracy Theories, which is Beck's undoing.
I would put Olbermann on the same level as O Reilly or Hannity: Somebody who is really to use quite a few half lies and distortions to push his point of view.
And Olbermann uses a tactic that is, sadly, becoming common: (Hannity uses it also): when presenting an "opposing viewpoint" pick someone who really,really, comes off bad ,where as the guests who support your point of view are always articulate and well spoken.
Frankly, I am concerned about how TV news is becoming dominated by "Opinion" shows. Dan Rather expressed the same concern last year. He stated that he has no objections to such shows once in a while, but that they are now dominating TV news is not good.

What is amazing is how quickly Beck has slid. I mean it was only about 1-2 years ago I would watch his show, and he was quite normal...blan almost. I agreed with many of his arguments then.

Now, especially since Obama won, the man has gone bananas.

TAM:)

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