Catch me up - the barium nitrate?

[TK0001]

I've been off for awhile doing things more productive than banging my perfectly good head against the wall known as the truther movement. The last time I was knee deep in it, the truthers were actively ignoring the barium nitrate question, specifically: If the presence of sulfur at Ground Zero proved that thermate was present, then where was all the barium nitrate? Since there is more barium nitrate than sulfur in thermate, it should have been extremely detectable.

I don't see this question being asked anymore. Has it been sufficiently squashed by the truthers, or is it still being completely ignored?

[boloboffin]

Thermite and thermate are now straw men, says Dr. Jones. No time for barium!

It's superthermite or nanothermite that we have to deal with now.

[Jackanory]

Thermite and thermate are now straw men, says Dr. Jones. No time for barium!

It's superthermite or nanothermite that we have to deal with now.

Its a pity that the mods just closed a thread that was dealing with this very science. Closed due to it being derailed by twoofers slinging mud, name calling and bordering on racism! Culprits should have been blocked as that thread was enlightening to me as a none sciencey layman.

I hope sunstealer and those delivering the science can continue elsewhere.

[Sparky]

Its a pity that the mods just closed a thread that was dealing with this very science. Closed due to it being derailed by twoofers slinging mud, name calling and bordering on racism! Culprits should have been blocked as that thread was enlightening to me as a none sciencey layman.

I hope sunstealer and those delivering the science can continue elsewhere.

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=140017

Moderated to keep out the riff-raff this time.

[boloboffin]

Its a pity that the mods just closed a thread that was dealing with this very science. Closed due to it being derailed by twoofers slinging mud, name calling and bordering on racism! Culprits should have been blocked as that thread was enlightening to me as a none sciencey layman.

I hope sunstealer and those delivering the science can continue elsewhere.

It wasn't just that, because then the moderators could have deleted offending material. Unfortunately far too many people here just jump right into flamebait with their gasoline swimtrunks on.

[Sunstealer]

Its a pity that the mods just closed a thread that was dealing with this very science. Closed due to it being derailed by twoofers slinging mud, name calling and bordering on racism! Culprits should have been blocked as that thread was enlightening to me as a none sciencey layman.

I hope sunstealer and those delivering the science can continue elsewhere./sigh - why couldn't the mods just put it on a moderated status? Oh well I guess I will have to do what T.A.M. suggested and start another thread and ask for it to be moderated.

It does take quite alot of time to put even the smallest post together, because referencing Jones paper's Figs (damn apostrophes - I'm not sure whether it's Jones Jones' Joneses or what!) and quotes takes awhile to make sure it's correct and people can then follow the line of reasoning. I'd like to make it as laymen friendly as possible because it's very difficult, even for a metallurgist who has a bit of SEM experience, to actually get a feeling for the scales involved and "see it in their minds eye". Magnifying something 50,000 times gives a false sense of perspective!

Anyway I digress. The best thing for the OP is to download and read Jones' paper, without any prior knowledge or bias, just read it normally and get the gist of it. Then break it down into sections (eg: samples a-d and the associated experiments, chip from sample 2 for MEK soaking, chip in Fig 31 - it's a bit archaic). To understand which experiments were performed on each of the samples and how the graphs and photos relate to each sample. The text on page 12 gets a little bit behind the diagrams because the Figs take up whole pages on 13 and 14 and half of 15, which is unavoidable. Why not right your own brief thoughts as you do it? A line here or there.

Usually with any document (scientific paper) I get a small sheet of paper then I print off the document. As I go through the document and notice important things I will write a 1 with a circle around it in pencil at the relevant point on the doc, then on my paper I write a 1 then note the page number and then write the appropriate comment. At the end I should have a number of points that may be summaries or important parts or questions. When I'm done I staple that sheet to the paper. At 25 pages I wouldn't expect someone to print this off, but you can always open notepad etc and make comments as you go.

Yep, there I go rambling again. If you are interested in Barium Nitrate and Sulphur then have a closer look at the EDS spectra for each sample.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

According to my dads medical dictionary:

Barium - What you do after you rectum

Rectum - durn near killed 'um

[njslim]

Barium has as one of its uses coating of electrodes in floursecent light tubes. Care to
guess how many flourescent lights are present in 2 110 floor office buildings ?

Barium oxide is used in a coating for the electrodes of fluorescent lamps, which facilitates the release of electrons.


Other elements like strontium are used in the coatings of CRT tubes - again care to estimate how many CRT were in the WTC complex buildings ?

As a pure metal strontium is used in strontium 90%-aluminium 10% alloys of an eutectic composition for the modification of aluminium-silicon casting alloys.[2] The primary use for strontium compounds is in glass for colour television cathode ray tubes to prevent X-ray emission.[3][4]

[ozeco41]

According to my dads medical dictionary:

Barium - What you do after you rectum

Rectum - durn near killed 'um

The barium nightrate was time and a half for two hours and double time after that at our local cemetery.

So mostly daytime funerals. :D