Phil Spector guilty

[LibraryLady]

Finally! (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/13/phil.spector.verdict/index.html)

[applecorped]

To know him is to love him.

[LibraryLady]

Those who loved Lana Clarkson don't think so.

[dudalb]

And Spector exchanges the Wall of Sound for A Wall of a different type.
Nice to that, for once, a rich celeb was not able to buy himself out of murder.

[applecorped]

But he's a Teddy Bear! Now all those vinyl records I have of him have turned into morbid curiosities. Maybe I'll sell them all on ebay and donate some of the money to a charity. :(

http://forums.randi.org/picture.php?albumid=104&pictureid=878

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Phil Spector
O. J. Simpson
Micheal Jackson
Robert Blake

Two down, two to go...

[applecorped]

Two down, two to go...


That goes for The Beatles as well.:D

[a_unique_person]

How do these people go insane? Is it just the drugs? The lifestyle?

[applecorped]

Those who loved Lana Clarkson don't think so.

You're right. Here is a link to her site. http://www.lanaclarkson.com/

[LibraryLady]

I read a half a biography of Spector published around the time of his first trial. It wasn't really all that interesting, which is why I didn't finish it, but apparently he has had "issues" all along. His mother was truly a miserable person, which might explain his misogyny, but not excuse it.

[Cicero]

P.S. spent his fortune on Linda Kenney-Baden and Co for a 10-2 verdict. He must of known he wasn't going to get a hung jury the 2nd time with only one lawyer. A shame they won't place in the same cell with Casey Anthony.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Yes!! Finally, a jury in a California celebrity trial that found a guilty man guilty.

It looks they finally, at long last, managed to find 12 sane people who can use common sense and see reality in California and put them in one room together. Bravo!

Ok, that was too much- but how disgusted were you when this guy actually managed to get a hung jury the first time around? How in the world was it possible that a jury couldn't reach a verdict in a case like that?

There are very, very complicated murder trials where every bit of evidence can be read several ways. Where it is impossible to know who to believe. Where it must be crushing to have a possibly innocent or possibly guilty person's fate in your hands.

This wasn't one of them.

[dudalb]

Yes!! Finally, a jury in a California celebrity trial that found a guilty man guilty.

It looks they finally, at long last, managed to find 12 sane people who can use common sense and see reality in California and put them in one room together. Bravo!

Ok, that was too much- but how disgusted were you when this guy actually managed to get a hung jury the first time around? How in the world was it possible that a jury couldn't reach a verdict in a case like that?

There are very, very complicated murder trials where every bit of evidence can be read several ways. Where it is impossible to know who to believe. Where it must be crushing to have a possibly innocent or possibly guilty person's fate in your hands.

This wasn't one of them.


Please put "Southern" in front of "California". We in the Northern half of the state do not want to be held responsible for the idiocies of SoCal.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

To be fair, the most mind boggling celebrity verdict of all time was R.Kelly's child pornography trial in Illinois.

The evidence was on tape. There he was! There you go.

In some countries, stuff like that doesn't even go to trial. Their response to a tape of a man having sex with a 14-year-old on tape is "Trial? What's that? :p ".

[Darth Rotor]

Please put "Southern" in front of "California". We in the Northern half of the state do not want to be held responsible for the idiocies of SoCal.
Y'all have your own brand of idiocy to be proud of -- naturally. :p

As to Lana: she was great in Deathstalker, and Barbarian Queen. (Great movies when one is at sea, I promise you.)

Regarding Phil: good riddance to bad rubbish.

DR

[JoeyDonuts]

Which Ramone did he hold at gunpoint again?

[Sir Robin Goodfellow]

Which Ramone did he hold at gunpoint again?



All of them, wasn't it?

[Father Dagon]

Six years, what took them so long?

[JoeyDonuts]

All of them, wasn't it?

Way I recall it, it was Dee Dee. He made them play the opening chord of 'Rock and Roll High School' for like 8 hours straight.

[Father Dagon]

This column by Thomas Sowell springs to mind: O.J. Simpson and The High Cost of Favoritism (http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=5378). He doesn't mention Spector but there's plenty of other examples.

And hasn't someone ever stood his ground against Spector? I can see the problems with filing a police report on Spector for threatening people at gunpoint. You choosed to work with him so it boils down to he said-he said. So a more convenient solution should've been to give him a good thrashing - because in my book you either make good on your threat or you prepare for retaliation. But not even once? I'm amazed.

[WildCat]

And hasn't someone ever stood his ground against Spector? I can see the problems with filing a police report on Spector for threatening people at gunpoint. You choosed to work with him so it boils down to he said-he said. So a more convenient solution should've been to give him a good thrashing - because in my book you either make good on your threat or you prepare for retaliation. But not even once? I'm amazed.
I guess they were willing to let it go since they were convinced Specter had the power to control their fates and acreers.

[Drudgewire]

As to Lana: she was great in Deathstalker, and Barbarian Queen. (Great movies when one is at sea, I promise you.)


Vice Girls is an underrated classi... errr... cult fav... ummmm... OK it sucked. :o

[Cicero]

Please put "Southern" in front of "California". We in the Northern half of the state do not want to be held responsible for the idiocies of SoCal.


Northern California has its own idiosyncrasies i.e., Boxer, Pelosi, & Newsome .

Northern California jury holds TASER International responsible for man’s death

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jun2008/tasr-j12.shtml

S.F. Grand Jury Disbands Without Indicting Barry Bonds

http://www.talkleft.com/story/2006/07/20/755/08891

[Father Dagon]

I guess they were willing to let it go since they were convinced Specter had the power to control their fates and acreers.Yeah. But Spector wouldn't be the only loose gun in the music biz, right? Imagine if someone boosted his courage with some good blow (that would be colombian courage, right?) and didn't care about the consequences - the career be damned, this is now about honor!

I'm also amazed that people has choosed to cooperate with Spector after the first incident of gunpoint threats. Was they so vain and/or stupid that they didn't understand that persons making frivolous gunpoint threats is bad news?

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

I'm also amazed that people has choosed to cooperate with Spector after the first incident of gunpoint threats. Was they so vain and/or stupid that they didn't understand that persons making frivolous gunpoint threats is bad news?

Well, a lot probably did depend on everyone getting along and the work being done. A lot of money at stake, contracts that had to be upheld, etc.

Plus, he was considered to be a genius and probably could get away with a lot of behavior that a less talented person could never have permitted himself.

And, they could have taken frivolous threats to be exactly that. Maybe they figured "The man has a big mouth and a huge temper but he never actually shot anybody."

[Father Dagon]

Well, a lot probably did depend on everyone getting along and the work being done. A lot of money at stake, contracts that had to be upheld, etc.

Plus, he was considered to be a genius and probably could get away with a lot of behavior that a less talented person could never have permitted himself.

And, they could have taken frivolous threats to be exactly that. Maybe they figured "The man has a big mouth and a huge temper but he never actually shot anybody."Probably the last thing. And I guess that most of the people that let themselves being bullied had no true respect for firearms. I.e. there is no unloaded firearms, never point your gun at something you aren't planning to shoot and don't put the finger on the trigger unless you are going to shoot.

I'm also guessing that artists are less prone to take people serious, i.e. people say just anything and they never mean what they say. But threaten to beat up Mike the Electrician and he'll never bother you again. As a matter of fact he will spread the good word so that no electrician will bother you again.

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Marky Ramone actually claims that the story of the band being held hostage by gun was a complete myth:

http://www.nme.com/news/ramones/41403

It might be that he was much more likely to pull guns on women he was involved with than on singers.

It may also be that in the world of rock, people are used to wacky and wild behavior involving sex, guns, alcohol and drugs. Goodness knows musicians do insane things.

Guess that's how it is with rap now. All rappers have guns around but only some of them actually murder someone with them.

[Father Dagon]

Pulling guns on women he was involved with? Is he like the smallest coward of the world?

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

Prosecutors aiming to prove music mogul PHIL SPECTOR killed actress LANA CLARKSON at his home in 2003 have unearthed a sixth woman who claims the producer threatened her with a gun.

Last year's (07) murder trial ended with a hung jury and now the case is scheduled to return to a Los Angeles court in October (08), with prosecutors adding a new witness to testify about Spector's violent nature towards women.

Five former assistants and girlfriends of the legendary music producer came forward with claims against Spector last year (07), and now prosecutors have located a new witness, Norma Kemper.
She claims Spector brandished a gun during a dinner with her at Dan Tana's restaurant in Hollywood in 1996.

According to the Los Angeles Times, the incident took place on Kemper's first day as Spector's personal assistant.

She claims the mogul threatened her with his gun when his drunken efforts to kiss her were rebuffed.

According to court papers, Kemper, who went on to work for Spector for four years, recalls her boss telling her, "You know I could kill you right now."

...

http://www.contactmusic.com/news.nsf/article/another%20gun%20threat%20woman%20comes%20forward%2 0in%20spector%20case_1074342


He's a small guy, too. Only 5 foot 5. No tough guy.

[a_unique_person]

Marky Ramone actually claims that the story of the band being held hostage by gun was a complete myth:

http://www.nme.com/news/ramones/41403

It might be that he was much more likely to pull guns on women he was involved with than on singers.

It may also be that in the world of rock, people are used to wacky and wild behavior involving sex, guns, alcohol and drugs. Goodness knows musicians do insane things.

Guess that's how it is with rap now. All rappers have guns around but only some of them actually murder someone with them.

A journalist I listened to on the radio last night said he did an interview with Spector, and Spector aimed a loaded gun at him for the whole interview.

How did this guy legally own a gun?

I also wonder about the appeal. Despite thinking he is guilty, is it proven beyond reasonable doubt.

Those pictures of him make him look like he is playing one of the chimps in "Planet of the Apes".

[Cainkane1]

Phil Spector
O. J. Simpson
Micheal Jackson
Robert Blake

Two down, two to go...
O. J. got away with murder. He didn't get away with kidnapping and robbery.