New World Order - The Movie

[WildCat]

http://www.ifc.com/videos/sxsw-2009-new-world-order-1.php

IFC apparently will be showing a movie called "New World Order", which documents the varuious conspiracy theories including 9/11. Alex Jones is featured prominently, I have a feeling he will claim it's a hit piece once shown.

I get the IFC channel, but apparently it's shown "on demand" starting April 16, whatever that means.

eta: it will be on the regular IFC channel startoing May 26.

[WildCat]

OMG, this clip shows Alex Jones at his paranoid best!

http://www.ifc.com/videos/sxsw-2009-everday-conspiracies-with-alex-jones.php

[Drudgewire]

OMG, this clip shows Alex Jones at his paranoid best!

http://www.ifc.com/videos/sxsw-2009-everday-conspiracies-with-alex-jones.php


OMG the teddy bear mafia HAS GOTTEN TO ALEX!! :eek:

[Tandem Thinking]

OMG, this clip shows Alex Jones at his paranoid best!

http://www.ifc.com/videos/sxsw-2009-everday-conspiracies-with-alex-jones.php

Are you sure this isn't comedy?
I have a feeling that Alex Jones is just an amazingly talented method actor.

[WildCat]

Are you sure this isn't comedy?
I have a feeling that Alex Jones is just an amazingly talented method actor.
If this is an act he's been staying in character for a long, long time.

[Drudgewire]

Are you sure this isn't comedy?
I have a feeling that Alex Jones is just an amazingly talented method actor.


No, he's really a nutball (http://www.ifc.com/videos/new-world-order-clip-11.php).

[Tandem Thinking]

Indeed.

Then I'm going to go with Plan B.
This is a comedy, but nobody told Alex Jones. :D

[Drudgewire]

Indeed.

Then I'm going to go with Plan B.
This is a comedy, but nobody told Alex Jones. :D


Yeah, I'd imagine he cringed when he first saw the scene with the sound effects added. :newlol

[RoboTimbo]

He had me until he started hating on my favorite candy bar.

[Alareth]

We discussed this just a short while ago

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=135144

[WildCat]

We discussed this just a short while ago

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=135144
Oops, sorry! missed that thread. :blush:

[fullflavormenthol]

Not my iPhone! Anything, but my phone.

[zaphod2016]

I've got to admit, I really want to go see this.

The clip of Alex with the dollar, water, teddy bear was freaking awesome. Take it as literal, take it as satire, take it as a delusional madman- its damn entertaining.

[Pardalis]

Come on, they should stop calling these home made videos "movies", they're giving movies a bad name.

[WildCat]

Come on, they should stop calling these home made videos "movies", they're giving movies a bad name.
This is a documentary, and not produced by anyone in the conspiracy camp. From the IFC web site (http://www.ifc.com/new-world-order/about-the-show.php):
From the award winning filmmakers of DARKON (SXSW Audience Award 2006) comes New World Order, a feature length documentary about conspiracy theorists directed by Luke Meyer and Andrew Neel. The film is a behind the scenes look at the underground movement of people who want to expose "global elitists," whom they claim are covertly masterminding a series of destructive events to cause a mass breakdown of the world's economy and society. Once the world has fallen into chaos, these same "elitists" will offer a plan to rebuild the economic and social structure of the world (to their liking). This theory is also known as the New World Order. The film captures this growing anti-New World Order movement as it targets the annual Bilderberg conference, and the 9/11 attacks as focal points in the alleged global conspiracy. Alex Jones, a celebrity radio host, and underground cult hero, is the central character of the film. The film chronicles Alex and four other conspiracy theorists on their ceaseless quest to expose the "massive global conspiracy" they believe threatens the future of humanity.

New World Order is a film about people who believe in conspiracy theories and why they believe in them, not about the theories themselves. This film does not try to prove or disprove conspiracy theories. At its core, New World Order is a film about the power of ideas, and the power of ideas to change one's life and define one's actions.

I found out about this movie from a review in the April 17 issue of "Entertainment Weekly", which I am apparently subscribed to even though I never signed up or paid for it. The review ends with "It exposes ordinary, good-natured people whose lives are dominated by fear and paranoia in a way that is poignant and devastatingly real". Got a B+ rating by the reviewer.

I don't think Alex Jones will be happy with it. No doubt it will be condemned as a hit piece.

[Gangularis]

Oops, sorry! missed that thread. :blush:

That's right! give creds where creds is due! Same exact title, no less!

[WildCat]

That's right! give creds where creds is due! Same exact title, no less!
You found it first, but I had clips!

I did try a search, but the phrase "new world order" turns up quite a few hits here... needle, haystack. :boxedin:

[Steelmage]

I believe on Alex Jones website, he liked the movie. He said it was not a complimentary on him, but he felt the movie did a good job of expressing his ideas. What is that saying "any advertising is good advertising". Besides Alex at his paranoid best was when he did commentary on the hulu.com TV commercial.

[mrfreeze]

Whoo hoo! This is finally available to watch on demand! I just watched Darkon last weekend to get an idea of what to expect and now am dying to get home and catch this!

[AJM8125]

Watched it. :eye-poppi:eye-poppi:eye-poppi

Wow. Just freakin wow.

There are two forces at work and there's no grey matter, it's either black or white.

I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen it.

[dtugg]

This is on the Pirate Bay for those of you who don't have IFC and don't mind breaking copyright laws. I should have it in about half an hour.

[malcolmxwarrior]

Alex is an agent for the jews.

[Drudgewire]

Alex is an agent for the jews.


Only on holidays that involve feasting. :p

[Horatius]

Alex is an agent for the jews.



Is there any sight quite so beautiful as CT nuts fighting amongst themselves?

[malcolmxwarrior]

Is there any sight quite so beautiful as CT nuts fighting amongst themselves?

Alex is right on a lot of things but he wont touch the jewish question. That's why he's still on the air.

You criticize jews, your career/life is OVER!

Just look what happened to poor Bobby Fischer!

And he was one of them!

[Thunder]

Alex is an agent for the jews.

who are you an agent for? The Nation of Islam?

[malcolmxwarrior]

who are you an agent for? The Nation of Islam?

No.

Malcolm X learned the nation of islam was BS the hard way.

:(

[Thunder]

No.

Malcolm X learned the nation of islam was BS the hard way.

:(

What great things have black-Muslims done for the USA? I know of none.

[Horatius]

What great things have black-Muslims done for the USA?



Killed Cat Stevens' career?


:boxedin:

[zaphod2016]

I was stuck without a date tonight, so I watched this. Having already seen most of the background material, the first half was a tad boring and predictable.

However, there were a few scenes that I found insightful.

We spend a lot of time discussing the con-man v. lunatic paradigm of Alex Jones. The scene in the hotel, in which Jones is convinced "they" are out to get him, and goes on to do a radio interview anyway, really takes that debate to a whole new level.

At first blush, it looked like Jones was clearly a media pariah, a con-man/attention whore/call it what you will. It takes a desperate dog to ignore a fire alarm to do an interview.

But a few moments later, Jones is still ranting on about the evil plots against him. If he doesn't genuinely believe his delusion, he is the greatest method actor of our generation, and is wasting his considerable talent. I think he does believe, and at the same time, is a theatrical media whore. But there is some serious paranoia in him, and that scene really shows it.

I also like that the film included a scene in which a 9-11 truther meets two men who worked in the pentagon on 9-11, and another scene in which a passer-by mentions that "this ************ [9-11 truth] has already been debunked". Naturally the CT is unswayed, but the viewer is given some much-needed context after an extremely sympathetic introduction to these characters.

In the end, this film is clearly more interested in the specific personalities involved, rather than any specific theories, or debunking those theories. It plays like a bio of Alex Jones, and although highly sympathetic, it also shows some less than flattering moments for "our hero".

Has anyone else seen it? I'd love to discuss in greater detail.

[malcolmxwarrior]

What great things have black-Muslims done for the USA? I know of none.

Of course not.

Because you're not a fan of boxing.

Are you?

[Thunder]

nope.

[1337m4n]

Alex is right on a lot of things but he wont touch the jewish question.

What are you talking about? Alex attacks Jews all the time. He just uses the code word "Zionists" in place of "Jews" so that idiots will be fooled into thinking he isn't a racist prick.

[malcolmxwarrior]

What are you talking about? Alex attacks Jews all the time. He just uses the code word "Zionists" in place of "Jews" so that idiots will be fooled into thinking he isn't a racist prick.

No. He attacks zionists. Not jews. Alex is a liar.

He says that he is not afraid of the "new world order", yet when the jewish question is brought up he dodges and sputters.

[AJM8125]

At first blush, it looked like Jones was clearly a media pariah, a con-man/attention whore/call it what you will. It takes a desperate dog to ignore a fire alarm to do an interview.

My take on that is either he or his crew set off that alarm so AJ could have one his patented dramatic meltdowns or Unsecured Coins happened to be staying at the hotel that night and had another shot at him.

I really liked the way these guys all think they're being followed, Especially AJ and his shirtless secret service agents, on bicycles no less.

If this documentary isn't a hit piece then they missed a good chance at one.

[zaphod2016]

My take on that is either he or his crew set off that alarm so AJ could have one his patented dramatic meltdowns

Considering that the documentary's cameraman was present, that would have been pretty bold. Watch the scene- it might be staged, but it plays as extremely authentic.

... or Unsecured Coins happened to be staying at the hotel that night and had another shot at him.

:dl:


I really liked the way these guys all think they're being followed, Especially AJ and his shirtless secret service agents, on bicycles no less.


Hey- they had cell phones. Clearly they were on the phone with their NWO superiors.


If this documentary isn't a hit piece then they missed a good chance at one.

This is better than a hit piece- it is completely fair, if not sympathetic. These characters are shown for what they are, well-meaning, yet deluded and paranoid.

[Steelmage]

No. He attacks zionists. Not jews. Alex is a liar.

He says that he is not afraid of the "new world order", yet when the jewish question is brought up he dodges and sputters.

It seems to me that you kind of contradicted yourself here.

[malcolmxwarrior]

It seems to me that you kind of contradicted yourself here.

explain please.

Alex is hard to read some times. He's good for the most part, but at times, he's just acting like any personality would act. (Leykis, stern, mancow Etc.)

[Rogue1stclass]

I kind of want to see this, but when I see CTers in non-textual media, I always feel so embarrassed for them.

It's like the end of Little Miss Sunshine, when she does the dance her grandfather put together for her (which I won't spoil here). You can't really watch it but you can't stop laughing either.

[Greediguts]

I just watched the movie. I can honestly say I feel sorry for some of the people shown in that movie.

Alex Jones is not one of them. The movie reinforced my opinion of what I think of him.

A little backstory-

I have an employee (young male, early 20's) who started talking about Bohemian Grove and Alex Jones. I watched the "Secrets in Bohemian Grove" video. Then I watched several Alex Jones videos, visited his website, and of course, read threads here at JREF. At first, I thought Alex was bat-guano crazy, but slowly that changed.

Alex Jones seems like a businessman to me. The "Gene Simmons" of conspiracy, if you will. He promotes his theories, but in the process he is ultimately promoting himself. He sells shirts, hats, DVDs, books, short-wave radios, auctions off his bullhorn, tells advertisers they can reach millions of potential customers on his website, etc. It seems amazing that as his paranoia has increased so has his business acumen.

What sickens me is how he makes money off of paranoia, disillusionment, anger, and ignorance. He's an emotional/financial predator.

He's no better than Benny Hinn.

I'm thankful to all of the JREF posters who keep debunking the garbage Alex spews. The young man who works for me is starting to doubt what Alex is selling. I'm repeating your arguments and pointing him to the sources you all refer to. Hopefully, he won't end up down the rabbit hole...

[Holler Hoojer]

No.

Malcolm X learned the nation of islam was BS the hard way.

:(

Maybe it's time for Malcolm XI? The man's dead; it was in all the papers here.

[richman2112]

Lets not forget the evil duct tape and window plastic companies who made so much off of the anthrax scares that were caused by Alex Jo.... no wait that's right those were caused by the news. Alex Jones makes money off of paranoia, demonize him for it cause it is what is right to do. Now can we equally demonize the government for using people's fear to start wars and pass legislation that erodes away our freedoms while they tell us it will keep us safe?
People are all subject to irrational fears and able to be exploited for it. Why single out the ct people when the general public are running in fear everyday from goat herders living in caves. And yeah I know they managed to pull off one or two big acts of terror but as far as I'm concerned if you want to truly be free you have to accept that your not quite as safe for it. Thats why the founding father's told us to get a gun.

[WildCat]

Lets not forget the evil duct tape and window plastic companies who made so much off of the anthrax scares
Evidence?

[richman2112]

Take terrorism, for example. In May 2002, Ropeik lectured on risk perception to the Executive Office for Homeland Security, then headed by Tom Ridge ’67. The official color-coded system of threat levels responded to public pressure for “warnings” of terrorist attacks. “But there was no advice as to what we should or could do,” says Ropeik. So the administration launched a campaign and a website, .ready.gov, on ways to be prepared for emergencies. Grasping for a sense of control, as many as 3 percent of Americans may have purchased duct tape or plastic sheeting to seal off their homes. Ropeik advised Ridge to keep risk in context, noting that “even if there should be another attack, the risk to the average American is extraordinarily low.” In retrospect, he says, “That calming message is not particularly appealing to a government that wants to go to war, create a new department, or pass laws that reorient our thinking about civil liberties.” The benefits of duct-tape purchases, he adds, are largely limited to duct-tape manufacturers.

this is a clip from harvard magazine i posted it because i cannot post links yet

[AJM8125]

this is a clip from harvard magazine i posted it because i cannot post links yet

Just post the link without the "http" part. We can figure out the rest.

ETA: Nevermind. http://harvardmagazine.com/2005/07/societys-casino.html

[WildCat]

Take terrorism, for example. In May 2002, Ropeik lectured on risk perception to the Executive Office for Homeland Security, then headed by Tom Ridge ’67. The official color-coded system of threat levels responded to public pressure for “warnings” of terrorist attacks. “But there was no advice as to what we should or could do,” says Ropeik. So the administration launched a campaign and a website, .ready.gov, on ways to be prepared for emergencies. Grasping for a sense of control, as many as 3 percent of Americans may have purchased duct tape or plastic sheeting to seal off their homes. Ropeik advised Ridge to keep risk in context, noting that “even if there should be another attack, the risk to the average American is extraordinarily low.” In retrospect, he says, “That calming message is not particularly appealing to a government that wants to go to war, create a new department, or pass laws that reorient our thinking about civil liberties.” The benefits of duct-tape purchases, he adds, are largely limited to duct-tape manufacturers.

this is a clip from harvard magazine i posted it because i cannot post links yet
And on what data does the author base his assertion that "as many as 3 percent of Americans may have purchased duct tape or plastic sheeting to seal off their homes"? Frankly, it uses so many weasel words ("as many", "may have") it's virtually meaningless.

[richman2112]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape_alert
there is another, though this is getting pointless

[AJM8125]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape_alert
there is another, though this is getting pointless

Then maybe you should make one.

[richman2112]

Well I thought I made more of a point than duct tape. Guess I was wrong though I certainly believed that the duct tape scare was common knowledge.

[WildCat]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape_alert
there is another, though this is getting pointless
I don't dispute there was a duct tape alert, just that people in any significant numbers went out and bought it because of the alert. It was ridiculed at the time, and rightly so.

I don't know of anyone who sealed their house off with duct tape and plastic because of that alert, do you?

[Steelmage]

explain please.

Alex is hard to read some times. He's good for the most part, but at times, he's just acting like any personality would act. (Leykis, stern, mancow Etc.)

Well, the statement of "He attacks Zionists. Not Jews."

But then "yet when the Jewish question is brought up he dodges and sputters. "

Which could seem to indicated that he does attack Jews but does not admit it (or confirm it) thus he is avoiding answering the question.

If he does not attack Jews, why is he dodging the question?

[malcolmxwarrior]

Well, the statement of "He attacks Zionists. Not Jews."

But then "yet when the Jewish question is brought up he dodges and sputters. "

Which could seem to indicated that he does attack Jews but does not admit it (or confirm it) thus he is avoiding answering the question.

If he does not attack Jews, why is he dodging the question?

He wouldn't dare attack the jews directly. He's bought and paid for shabbas(Spelling?) goy.

[richman2112]

Well, I dont personally know anyone who duct taped their windows though I would probably cease knowing them if they did. I did find an old CNN transcript that mentions that hardware stores across the country reported elevated sales of plastic and duct tape. The reference is almost at the bottom of the page ://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/12/asb.00.html

[AJM8125]

Well, I dont personally know anyone who duct taped their windows though I would probably cease knowing them if they did. I did find an old CNN transcript that mentions that hardware stores across the country reported elevated sales of plastic and duct tape. The reference is almost at the bottom of the page ://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0302/12/asb.00.html

So I'm still not sure where you're trying to go with this. Are you suggesting that the duct tape and plastic industries were somehow complicit in the anthrax attacks, or did they simply profit from them?

[richman2112]

My original intent in my original post was to point out that people are so willing to demonize Alex Jones for making money off yahoos while the government always gets a free pass for using the "other" kinds of yahoos to further their agendas. The whole duct tape tangent was not started by me and was not a key factor in my post, it was just something that got focused on. But, I will use this opportunity to further what I was saying.

In another thread I stated that I think Jones and others like him are not that harmful in a lot of ways because basically the people should distrust their government even if it is based on crap. Why? Because the government is regularly doing things that suck. They take away our freedoms and disguise it as "keeping us safe" they start wars based on flimsy evidence( which should stick in the side of any skeptic) and they mostly just act like weasels. If you want to blame anyone for movies like Jones puts out then blame the government. If it weren't for them the people would not be as easy to dupe or as receptive to Jones' theories. The government should be more transparent and upfront with people. When they tell us they need laws to make fighting terrorism easier they never seem to mention all the freedom it will take us to lose for them to accomplish it. This fosters people to come up with their own reasons why they need this power. When they admit they confiscated security tapes around the pentagon on 911 but refuse to show them because of "national security" then it makes them appear to be hiding something. Sometimes I think Southpark had it right, there is no conspiracy but the government wants people to think they have the power to do these things so they will be scared to challenge them. Either way, there is nothing inherently wrong with Jones' movies as far as I'm concerned, he makes money off of kooks. woopty doo

[AJM8125]

Lets not forget the evil duct tape and window plastic companies who made so much off of the anthrax scares that were caused by Alex Jo.... no wait that's right those were caused by the news.

The whole duct tape tangent was not started by me and was not a key factor in my post, it was just something that got focused on.

Um. OK.

[richman2112]

Tangent: diverging from an original purpose or course.
I thought the use of the word made it clear that I was referring to the side threads and not the whole. Since the only threads you quoted were the "tangents" then I simply referenced those.

[AJM8125]

That's also know here as a derail. So I take it now that you wish to derail your derail?

[richman2112]

The derail was addressed, he asked for evidence that people went out and brought duct tape and I tried to supply it. If I did not do it adequately then so be it.

[AJM8125]

The derail was addressed, he asked for evidence that people went out and brought duct tape and I tried to supply it. If I did not do it adequately then so be it.


OK, fair enough. You should be advised that most of the people here are skeptics by nature and when you come here making extraordinary claims, you'd better have more than a wiki article or an unsubstantiated claim from Harvard Magazine. You're lucky you ran into me and not some of the others. I'm one of the nicer ones.

So you wanna get back to the Movie? I think Alex Jones is a lying, profiteering scumbag and the others in the movie are mentally ill. What do you think?

ETA: Actually, it wasn't WildCat who derailed the thread. It was you.

[richman2112]

Well I also am a skeptic by nature, avid atheist and one of the original founders of the god is a myth room on AOL. I admit I do read a lot of alternate theories and news and what not, but not because I believe them. I just like to find the little grain of truth that the theory is built around. An example would be what I said about the pentagon tapes, that IMO is almost the entire chunk of fuel for the whole "missile" theory. But, I digress. Yes, Alex Jones is a money grubbing half truth telling yahoo who makes damn good money off of stupid people. This we can certainly agree on. What we might not agree on
is whether or not he is a danger to society. People like him and other ct's mostly just cause a few people to question government which is a good thing. I mean face it, if on the off chance some of these ct's were actually right(doubtful but not impossible) then the people planning such things would be able to see the millions of hit prison planet gets and realize their evil twisted plans are gonna have a lot of people against them. Sure the vast majority of the crap they peddle is drivel and snake oil but the government snake oil tastes no better. The fact of the matter is, we are at a pretty big time in history right now and the government needs as many evil eyes from the people as we can muster. When the congress is having secret meetings and passing legislation in closed sessions then by definition they are "conspiring" behind closed doors. Since we are not allowed to read what they do we have to "theorize" about what they are doing.

But' as far as old jonsy boy goes, he is peddling crap and as far as I'm concerned people should try to make money with web sites that debunk him. :D It's good for the economy and is a backbone of this web site I might add. Just look at all the people who donate to JREF that love to come here and fight the evil Jones menace. Win Win in my book wouldn't you say? Also I like people who make the president's job a headache because I agree with the founding fathers that it should be a job taken reluctantly. If he has to deal with that crap then maybe people won't want the job as much and it will make them better for it.

[AJM8125]

Well I also am a skeptic by nature, avid atheist and one of the original founders of the god is a myth room on AOL.

Good on you!.

I admit I do read a lot of alternate theories and news and what not, but not because I believe them. I just like to find the little grain of truth that the theory is built around. An example would be what I said about the pentagon tapes, that IMO is almost the entire chunk of fuel for the whole "missile" theory.

OK, I follow...

But, I digress. Yes, Alex Jones is a money grubbing half truth telling yahoo who makes damn good money off of stupid people. This we can certainly agree on.

...

What we might not agree on is whether or not he is a danger to society. People like him and other ct's mostly just cause a few people to question government which is a good thing.

You mean other CT's like this guy? (http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09095/960750-53.stm)

[richman2112]

"Believing most media were covering up important events, Mr. Poplawski turned to a far-right conspiracy Web site run by Alex Jones, a self-described documentarian with roots going back to the extremist militia movement of the early 1990s"

Seems to me he was already a kook before he went to Jones' site.

"I was considering gettin' life runes on the outside of my calfs," he wrote. Life runes are a common symbol among white supremacists, notably followers of The National Alliance, a neo-Nazi group linked to an array of violent organizations.

Jones regularly calls the government nazis so obviously this guy got most of his ideas from other groups. http://www.prisonplanet.com/the_bush_nazi_connection.htm

Not to mention that this is a pretty small example of one isolated kook. I think the religious people in this country cause far more deaths to abortion doctors . Most fringe groups have one or two whackos who take it all too far. Look at the LA police, they have quite a few over zealous cops doing bad things. http://www.nytimes.com/books/98/02/08/home/rodney-report.htm

I can't help but compare this to religious people blaming dungeons and dragons for satan worship back in the 80's. Just because some nut might take his +5 holy avenger and chop someone's head off does not make the game a danger to society. But it certainly causes some people to live a little outside of reality.

[zaphod2016]

http://forums.randi.org/customavatars/avatar26832_21.gif

You're lucky you ran into me and not some of the others. I'm one of the nicer ones.

I don't know if its the Brock Sampson avatar, or the italics of nicer, but I just laughed Pepsi through my nose.

EDIT: In fairness to richman2112's argument, Alex Jones does use the term "NAZI" as an insult. However, he most certainly agrees with the survivalist attitudes of Stormfront and other NAZI groups.

[richman2112]

Well zaphod, it would be kind of odd for him to be preaching the end of civilization and not telling you how to survive. I mean, you wouldn't want some other site to make money off of survival guides and what not. Especially when your customers like to give you tons of money at the same time your telling them their money is not going to work anymore cause they are going to put it all on a chip.

[AJM8125]

Seems to me he was already a kook before he went to Jones' site.

Correct. Now you have to ask the question of what makes Infowars attractive to a kook. I have no doubt there will be follow up questions.

I can't help but compare this to religious people blaming dungeons and dragons for satan worship back in the 80's. Just because some nut might take his +5 holy avenger and chop someone's head off does not make the game a danger to society. But it certainly causes some people to live a little outside of reality.

I think I'm beginning to see the problem: Your thinking is backwards. You compare us to stupid people attacking something cool when in fact we are cool people attacking stupid in the many forms it presents itself.

I don't know if I can make that any clearer.

[richman2112]

It is attractive to kooks because people like to socialize with like minded people if you ask me. It gives them something to feel like they are a part of. They are mediocre nobodies who finally get to feel like they are fixing something. So many people run around thinking" If they would just let me run the world I would fix everything". Most of those people get to feel like they are now part of some "secret society" so to speak. Humans as a whole have the capacity to be very intelligent, but a lot of them do not have the means or the ability to expand on it. So, they use crap like this as an outlet to feel like they are really as intelligent as they believe they are. Just look at how many come to this forum and think that all of you are just sleeping "sheeple" and that they can somehow enlighten you.

Now I am well aware that this is all a personal hypothesis that I would have a difficult time proving. LOL But, I say let the goof balls have their little fantasies. Maybe one day it will grow into something truly dangerous but considering how long they have been around I doubt it.

I am not comparing you as people to the christians, perhaps I worded that statement improperly. I certainly did not mean to insult by calling you anything akin to a christian. I was meaning to com;pare the logic of blaming the game for the kooks who do violence with it to blaming the conspiracy theories for the kooks who go too far. In other words, just because you are right about them does not mean you are justified.

[AJM8125]

It is attractive to kooks because people like to socialize with like minded people if you ask me. It gives them something to feel like they are a part of. They are mediocre nobodies who finally get to feel like they are fixing something. So many people run around thinking" If they would just let me run the world I would fix everything". Most of those people get to feel like they are now part of some "secret society" so to speak. Humans as a whole have the capacity to be very intelligent, but a lot of them do not have the means or the ability to expand on it. So, they use crap like this as an outlet to feel like they are really as intelligent as they believe they are. Just look at how many come to this forum and think that all of you are just sleeping "sheeple" and that they can somehow enlighten you.

Sure, but you're not trying to enlighten us, are you?

Now I am well aware that this is all a personal hypothesis that I would have a difficult time proving. LOL But, I say let the goof balls have their little fantasies. Maybe one day it will grow into something truly dangerous but considering how long they have been around I doubt it.

No offense intended, but some of the things you've said so far leads me to believe you are either one of the goof balls you deride or you're very close to becoming one.

I am not comparing you as people to the christians, perhaps I worded that statement improperly. I certainly did not mean to insult by calling you anything akin to a christian. I was meaning to com;pare the logic of blaming the game for the kooks who do violence with it to blaming the conspiracy theories for the kooks who go too far. In other words, just because you are right about them does not mean you are justified.

Um, we have another thing here that's called a "stundie." (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=138986) It's something you really don't want attributed to you and they're avoided by not writing the type of paragraph above this one.

[richman2112]

Sure, but you're not trying to enlighten us, are you?
You are of the opinion that these CT people are dangerous to society and you believe you have a duty to debunk them. I believe they are about the same as people who engage in fantasy games and pay for the privilege to do it. I give you my opinion of them because I, just like most people, think my opinions are pretty good. I don't think I can enlighten you but I do like to think I can give you other perspectives to ponder. I will leave it up to you to decide whether they are "ponder worthy".


No offense intended, but some of the things you've said so far leads me to believe you are either one of the goof balls you deride or you're very close to becoming one.

I do not remember citing anything that would qualify as a conspiracy theory in the traditional sense . The most I have said are just simple political opinions of someone who is libertarian in some of his views. Please do not confuse my desire to learn about human nature with my being in league with these CT people. I read these and many other abstract theories to learn how people think and since the average "mainstream" people are pretty boring and mostly figured out I tend to focus on the goofballs. I also enjoy studying religion despite the fact I 'm an atheist. The majority of america stays glued to the TV to watch the first family because they find them interesting, personally I find them boring and predictable. I like reading about the kooks, they are fascinating and a little less predictable.


Um, we have another thing here that's called a "stundie." It's something you really don't want attributed to you and they're avoided by not writing the type of paragraph above this one.

Well lets just hope I can be worthy of not getting a derogatory label based on who knows what for some reason I have not been informed of, that would be devastating.

[richman2112]

Looks like I did the quote thingy wrong. LOL oh well

[AJM8125]

Well lets just hope I can be worthy of not getting a derogatory label based on who knows what for some reason I have not been informed of, that would be devastating.

Quite.

[AJM8125]

Looks like I did the quote thingy wrong. LOL oh well

Use the edit button. See? You're learning!

Use this list ( http://forums.randi.org/misc.php?do=bbcode#yt) for conventions followed on this forum.

[richman2112]

Ok so you have to type the quotes out in between the bracketed BB codes right? I have actually never used a forum before only chat .

[AJM8125]

Ok so you have to type the quotes out in between the bracketed BB codes right? I have actually never used a forum before only chat .

And always remember when posting to hit the "go advanced" button so you can use the "preview post" option. Preview post is your friend.

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[richman2112]

Cool, I will remember that and use it from now on.