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Pardalis
14th April 2009, 09:32 PM
In another thread, RedIbis claimed to think the US government, at least the Bush administration I guess, made 9/11 happen (so he/she believes the MIHOP theories). He/she can therefore no no longer claim to be an "agnostic" about 9/11, since he/she put his/her level of certitude at 95% (agnosticism would necessarily be at 50).

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4618244#post4618244

He/she's been posting here for almost two years, and has learned the different sides of the issues, and saw the different claims of the conspiracy theorists debunked, redebunked, re-redebunked, and debunked again. So I'd like to know what exactly his/her 95 percentage of certainty consists of, and what exactly is the 5 % bit that's left that might change his/her mind? Or is the 5% all the agnosticism?

This isn't a call out thread, just an invitation to discuss his/her beliefs, he/she, for once, so clearly stated.

ETA: BTW, if you have nothing more than snide remarks to do to Red, please keep them to yourself, I'd really like Red to acknowledge his own claims for a change.

T.A.M.
15th April 2009, 09:18 AM
I was surprised by this. I had always read RedIbis as a LIHOPer at worst. I did suspect that the lack of physical steel evidence with WTC7 may have swayed him, but I was shocked when he said he was 95% certain it was a MIHOP scenario.

I would like to see a defense of his position, but I doubt it will be forth coming...he is pretty non-confrontational.

TAM:)

Foolmewunz
15th April 2009, 09:26 AM
Unfortunately, even if you get the debunking community to respect your request, some of the defenders of the frail truth are liable to jump in with derails.

Mebbe ask the mods to change the thread title so it doesn't read as a callout? (And then PM Red and invite him to discuss his conclusions here, civilly.)

1337m4n
15th April 2009, 11:35 PM
Or just ask for this thread to be set to Moderated status.

Pardalis
28th April 2009, 09:30 AM
Red? Could you answer the OP please?