HAARP: Any Of This True

[INRM]

Anything listed on this site true? If so what is and what is not?
URL: http://www.haarp.net/

[dudalb]

God, you are falling for the HAARP, one of the looniest COnspiracy Theories around.
It is a bunch of total crap. It's Science Fiction, and bad Science fiction at that.
It's a research project to gain information about the upper reaches of the Atmosphere, nothing more. All the "It's a Sooper Sekrit Weapon That Will Cook The Atmosphere" crap is just that :Crap.

And why do you seem to do all your research from Conspiracy Theory sites?
Why not try more relaible sources for a change?
I see the road you are headed down, and it is not anyplace you really want to go.

[LightinDarkness]

And why do you seem to do all your research from Conspiracy Theory sites?
Why not try more relaible sources for a change?
I see the road you are headed down, and it is not anyplace you really want to go.

I think he already Believes - why else would you look into conspiracy sites for an informed opinion on the issue? A conspiracy site like that has a vested interest in promoting the conspiracy.

Also, HAARP is among the list of conspiracy theories that are so absurd on the very face of it that it is questionable why anyone would need a secondary opinion about whether they are true are are not. The facts are so overwhelmingly against it that if someone has to still ask if its real then they are already falling into the rabbit hole and are already a Believer in woo or close to it.

A well known conspiracy propaganda technique is to present yourself as a wavering skeptic with the back story that you used to "debunk" the woo but act like you are now genuinely on the fence by acting as if the facts could not explain some piece of woo you came against. This works particularly well in recruiting the more gullible among us into the woo, because it preys on the fallacy of centrism (that the central path between two opposing ideologies - in this case, woo and skepticism - is somehow more insightful and better than either side), but it won't work well on the JREF forum.

[Gangularis]

One question I have about HAARP, and I'm sure it's already been asked before, but why does the Navy and airforce have a hand in running it? Is it common for the military to involve itself in experiments that have no military weapons potential?

[R.Mackey]

There are extremely few technologies that have no military potential. I'll bet you can't name even one.

[portlandatheist]

All aboard the Woo Woo Train! Here we go!:D

[Malkuth]

http://www.padrak.com/ine/HAARP97.html

There have been a bunch of overblown conspiracy theories directed at haarp over the years. Even if such is not the case, I think there's enough cause for concern about the possible future applications of the technology to validate more interest in the topic.

The possible negative effects of haarp, and other ionospheric heater systems described by the conspiracy theories, are mentioned in the very patents originally used to create the systems.

The haarp facility is certainly not the only system of it's type in use, nor is the stated purpose of haarp the only possible use of this type of technology.

For example, the Australian JORN over the horizon radar system http://www.permian.com.au/projects/jorn/
is but one of many installations worldwide that utilise an ionospheric heater aerial array layout. It's the amount of energy input along with the manipulation of the type of radio frequency energy output that determines the actual effect of the system.

Haarp itself is not a conspiracy theory, it's a real technology in widespread use around the world, under other names and for a wide variety of purposes, many of which are of real value. It's a real technology that has many other possible applications that would certainly not be in the best interest of the majority or people.

I think it's quite irresponsible to discourage interest in a technology that has such a wide range of potentially negative applications.

[LightinDarkness]

I think it's quite irresponsible to discourage interest in a technology that has such a wide range of potentially negative applications.

You seem to being deliberately disingenuous. No one has suggested HAARP isn't real. But there is no relationship between the academic research and applications of such research and the conspiracy theories around it - which are based in paranoia and fear mongering.

It is, however, quite irresponaible to encourage the paranoia and doom mongering by CTs who want to blame HAARP from everything from earthquakes to the "eeeeevvvvilllll gubment" using it to bend their mind waves. And yes, both have happened - HAARP has been blamed for everything. If you are going to defend them I will be forced to link them.

[JoeyDonuts]

One question I have about HAARP, and I'm sure it's already been asked before, but why does the Navy and airforce have a hand in running it? Is it common for the military to involve itself in experiments that have no military weapons potential?

Because the Navy and the Air Force both depend heavily on meteorological data for operational planning. The research carried out at HAARP has given us insight into the the way weather behaves in different situations.

But, as usual, some will automatically assume nefarious ends where none exist. The actual mission of the facility is quite benign.

There are already airborne laser systems that can destroy missiles in their boost phase, but oddly enough the woo community isn't running around in circles screaming about it yet.

Maybe it's because "ABL" doesn't roll of the tongue quite like "HAARP."

"HAARP" sounds awful scary, therefore they must be trying to kill us all.

Along with the CERN personnel who are using the LHC to tear the foundations of the earth apart.

AAAAAAAAA! :eye-poppi

[dtugg]

One question I have about HAARP, and I'm sure it's already been asked before, but why does the Navy and airforce have a hand in running it? Is it common for the military to involve itself in experiments that have no military weapons potential?

I believe one of the reasons is that they can or might be able to use the technology to communicate to the other side of the world without the use of satellites. This would be particularly useful for the military if the enemy took out communications satellites in the event of a war.

[JoeyDonuts]

Oh, and one more thing. If you're still worried about the evil space laser, why don't you go up to Alaska and take a tour of the facility. Because you can do that. They often host open tours at HAARP.

What kind of evil doomsday weapon hosts tours of its facility?

Come on now. Put down the Kool-Aid.

[Malkuth]

It is, however, quite irresponaible to encourage the paranoia and doom mongering by CTs who want to blame HAARP from everything from earthquakes to the "eeeeevvvvilllll gubment" using it to bend their mind waves. And yes, both have happened - HAARP has been blamed for everything. If you are going to defend them I will be forced to link them.

How am I encouraging paranoia and doom? How am I defending the conspiracy theories? The very first line in my first post was rather dismissive of the conspiracy theories surrounding this technology, so stop putting words in my mouth please.

You are one of the ones discouraging any interest and further discussion of this issue by throwing the whole topic in your ever-growing 'woo-basket'.

I, on the other hand, am encouraging further research and more public interest in the potentials of the technology admitted in the patents.

You don't have to link the ct's involved, although you probably will so that you can continue to show your eloquence in ridiculing anything you don't want to allow people to have serious discussions about. I've already seen probably many more of them than you have. And, as I said above, I've already personally dismissed many of them. Your persistent attempts to twist anything I say into 'woo-support' grow tiresome. I hope others see your tactics for what they are as well.

[Gangularis]

There are extremely few technologies that have no military potential. I'll bet you can't name even one.

That's a strawman. Having military potential, does not equate to military involvement. Was the military involved in the creation of LCD technology? No.. even though they use the technology. The military has a very blatant interest in this technology.

[R.Mackey]

That's a strawman. Having military potential, does not equate to military involvement. Was the military involved in the creation of LCD technology? No.. even though they use the technology. The military has a very blatant interest in this technology.

It's not a strawman at all. You said it was suspicious because the Navy and Air Force were interested in something with no obvious military potential. I'm pointing out that they're interested in practically all technologies.

Think!

And look up the ONR while you're at it (that's Office of Naval Research). They sponsor research into all kinds of boring things. Guilt by association is all you've got.

[Greediguts]

There are extremely few technologies that have no military potential. I'll bet you can't name even one.

Electric dog polisher?

[R.Mackey]

Electric dog polisher?

http://www.olive-drab.com/od_wardogs_roles.php

Them dogs ain't gonna polish themselves. Valiant try, though. :D

[dudalb]

Trust the Tin Foil Brigade to turn a scientific program which might have some military potential into a doomsday weapon straight out of a James Bond movie.

[Malkuth]

HAARP, and the various other ionospheric heater systems around the world, do indeed have some very important potential military applications.

This, from one of the primary patents used as the theoretical basis for construction of HAARP.

This invention could be employed to disrupt not only land based communications, both civilian and military, but also airborne communications and sea communications (both surface and subsurface). This would have significant military implications, particularly as a barrier to or confusing factor for hostile missiles or airplanes.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=4,686,605.PN.&OS=PN/4,686,605&RS=PN/4,686,605

[dudalb]

Oh, and one more thing. If you're still worried about the evil space laser, why don't you go up to Alaska and take a tour of the facility. Because you can do that. They often host open tours at HAARP.

What kind of evil doomsday weapon hosts tours of its facility?

Come on now. Put down the Kool-Aid.


Well,in almost every 007 movie the villian at some point gives Bond a guided tour.....

[Malkuth]

HAARP does not conduct tours.

This, from the faq on the HAARP homepage


Q. Can I visit HAARP?
A. The HAARP Research Station does not employ sufficient on-site staff to allow routine tours of the facility. Entry to the facility is normally restricted to those having a need to conduct business at the facility.
We recognize that there is great interest in the scientific work of the facility and, as a result, we hold an annual open house at which any and all are invited to visit the site. Several scientists are usually present at these open houses so that visitors can talk directly with those who use the facility for research. Open houses have been held most years since 1995 and have proven to be a popular event.

Q. How can I find out about the Open Houses?
A. Open Houses are generally held at the end of the summer season and the dates and times are announced in advance on the HAARP Home Page.

Q. Is there a HAARP visitor's center?
A. There is currently no visitor's center.

http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/faq.html

So, for one day a year, the public is allowed to come onto certain areas of the site and ask some questions of the staff. For the remainder of the year, the doors are closed.

[LightinDarkness]

How am I encouraging paranoia and doom? How am I defending the conspiracy theories? The very first line in my first post was rather dismissive of the conspiracy theories surrounding this technology, so stop putting words in my mouth please.

Wrong - you are pulling the same CT propaganda technique I mentioned earlier in this thread in my first post.


You are one of the ones discouraging any interest and further discussion of this issue by throwing the whole topic in your ever-growing 'woo-basket'.

Wrong again. The OP posted a conspiracy website that blames HAARP for, well, just about everything you can think of it and poses the question "any of this true?". The answer of course is no, that its pointless conspiracy theory based on doom and fear mongering.




I, on the other hand, am encouraging further research and more public interest in the potentials of the technology admitted in the patents.

Wrong - thus far you've done nothing but using classical CT propaganda techniques to promote doom and fear mongering.



You don't have to link the ct's involved, although you probably will so that you can continue to show your eloquence in ridiculing anything you don't want to allow people to have serious discussions about. I've already seen probably many more of them than you have. And, as I said above, I've already personally dismissed many of them. Your persistent attempts to twist anything I say into 'woo-support' grow tiresome. I hope others see your tactics for what they are as well.

You've done a pretty good job showing your here to promote woo and are using all the classical propaganda techniques to play it off. You do a pretty good job of debunking yourself too, like all woos do.

Of course, the very web page the OP mentions talks about using HAARP as "mind wave manipulation" and causing earthquakes: http://www.haarp.net/

Now if you would like to support academic critique of the research instead of supporting woo, please link or cite peer reviewed academic research. Otherwise, stop it with the CT propaganda.

[Malkuth]

I can only guess you have chosen to purposely misrepresent my comments here. I have, in fact, linked only to a critique of peer-reviewed documents on HAARP, the actual HAARP website and the actual text of one of the main patents used to create HAARP.

I have in fact, dismissed the woo aspect and encouraged people to actually look at all the available information on the subject before they throw it in your woo basket just because you want to subvert any serious discussion of it.

Twist what I have said any way you want, it doesn't change the fact that the potentials for this technology are far more serious and wide ranging than than you have chosen to limit yourself into believing.

Some of the information on the site linked in the OP is in fact correct, and supported by simply reading the patents used to create HAARP, and by actually reading some of the books written by people over the years discussing the various potentials for a HAARP type technology.

My very first post in this thread has a link to a page that lists all the patents by name and number that have been used in the creation of HAARP. Why don't you go look them up and actually read them before you go spewing trash about the subject.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Popular Mechanics (fast becoming one of the best debunking resources around) weighs in on HAARP silliness:
(http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1281196.html)

Depending upon who you ask for a more detailed description, HAARP is either a futuristic weapon, a scientific research project, a global mind control scheme–rivaling network TV–or the cause of a reptilian invasion from another dimension. In addition to its real functions–which we will get to in a moment–HAARP has replaced the magic-pellet gasoline substitute as the great techno-legend of our time. (The magic pellet, by the way, is actually calcium carbide. It reacts with water to produce acetylene that will fuel an internal combustion engine, at least until the corrosive exhaust eats through the cylinder walls.)

HAARP is not quite as easy to explain as magic fuel pellets. Part of the reason is that it is involved in a fairly complicated area of research. Operated by the Air Force Research Laboratory's Space Vehicles Directorate, it houses what is perhaps the most impressive collection of ionosphere research instruments ever assembled. If you are a physicist who explores this region 25 to 500 miles above sea level, you couldn't ask for a better-equipped lab.

[LightinDarkness]

I can only guess you have chosen to purposely misrepresent my comments here. I have, in fact, linked only to a critique of peer-reviewed documents on HAARP, the actual HAARP website and the actual text of one of the main patents used to create HAARP.

Thats the fantastic thing about you promoting woo using the veneer of skepticism: nothing has to be misrepresented. You have, in fact, not linked to any peer review critique what so ever. A conference paper (stored on a completely woo site) is not peer reviewed evidence, especially not one from a third rate academic conference ANYONE could get into. The HAARP website proves nothing except that it has a website, and the fact that it has patents also does not prove anything sinister is going on. There are countless numbers of patents for things that will never work and have never worked.


I have in fact, dismissed the woo aspect and encouraged people to actually look at all the available information on the subject before they throw it in your woo basket just because you want to subvert any serious discussion of it.

Blatent lies whenever we have your own posts to look at is never a good idea. In fact you have only dismissed some of the woo, required in the "I'm a skeptic just asking questions" CT propaganda technique. In reality you are utilizing FUD with no basis what so ever.


Twist what I have said any way you want, it doesn't change the fact that the potentials for this technology are far more serious and wide ranging than than you have chosen to limit yourself into believing.

Actually no matter how much you scare monger it doesn't change the facts, which are that you have absolutely nothing to back up the above statement. You want to Believe.


Some of the information on the site linked in the OP is in fact correct, and supported by simply reading the patents used to create HAARP, and by actually reading some of the books written by people over the years discussing the various potentials for a HAARP type technology.

Ding, ding, ding! Observe that the CTer just claimed in a previous paragraph he dismissed the woo, and then turns around and claims "some" of the information on a 100% woo site is indeed correct. None of the information on the site can be supported by facts or by any non-woo book.


My very first post in this thread has a link to a page that lists all the patents by name and number that have been used in the creation of HAARP. Why don't you go look them up and actually read them before you go spewing trash about the subject.

Ah the classic woo obfuscation technique: when someone calls out the woo, try to deflect by linking to a ton of websites without actually pulling any information from those sites and demand that I prove your assertion. All this time and you still have failed to understand burden of proof. But of course you would, because you have no proof.

Now, for the second time, link or cite academic peer reviewed evidence which states that HAARP has dangerous weapon applications or stop spreading the woo. No more whining, no more playing the victim, no more trying to hide the woo - provide the scientific evidence.

[Malkuth]

From now on I'm going to translate everything you post as ..

"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN"

I'll simply say that I think there's something in HAARP to be seriously questioned and looked at in a lot more detail than what scant information the public currently has access to.

I'll also simply encourage any interested in this subject to go do your own research, as I intend to keep doing.

[Caustic Logic]

Craziness. I recall reading some doom-mongers concerns about the atomic bomb. It's only to ensure peace by making sure no one attacks us, he was told. But he kept this insane idea it would be used offensively to incinerate people.

Mackey put the concerns fairly enough.
There are extremely few technologies that have no military potential.

There's probably someone out there right now refiining such potential for *possible* use. I don't know what the military uses would be, don't know crap about HAARP. :)

[stilicho]

There are extremely few technologies that have no military potential. I'll bet you can't name even one.

Artificial sweetener?

[Gangularis]

It's not a strawman at all. You said it was suspicious because the Navy and Air Force were interested in something with no obvious military potential. I'm pointing out that they're interested in practically all technologies.

Think!

And look up the ONR while you're at it (that's Office of Naval Research). They sponsor research into all kinds of boring things. Guilt by association is all you've got.

That's just a lie. I asked why they're so heavily involved. The word "suspicious" never escaped my fingertips.

[Gangularis]

Trust the Tin Foil Brigade to turn a scientific program which might have some military potential into a doomsday weapon straight out of a James Bond movie.

Trust so called skeptics to accuse people of calling it a doomsday weapon, even though no such assertions were made, in this thread. At least you're willing to admit that it has military potential. That's all I was getting at... and then people start throwing around wild accusations and assumptions. It's obtuse.

[Gangularis]

Oh, and one more thing. If you're still worried about the evil space laser, why don't you go up to Alaska and take a tour of the facility. Because you can do that. They often host open tours at HAARP.

What kind of evil doomsday weapon hosts tours of its facility?

Come on now. Put down the Kool-Aid.

This isn't true. Last I checked their website, they only open their doors to tours, once a year. Hardly "often".

[R.Mackey]

That's just a lie. I asked why they're so heavily involved. The word "suspicious" never escaped my fingertips.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. It is possible that you consider your ridiculous reasoning as iron-clad proof rather than mere suspicion, but that's even stupider.

Never mind. If you want to be scared of a < 5 MW ionospheric research instrument, be my guest. Say hi to the boogeyman for me.

[R.Mackey]

Artificial sweetener?

See it in MREs all the time. Also has possible uses as an interrogation tactic. :cool:

[Subliminal]

I remember first hearing about it from the band Muse, they used the name for their last tour and for their most recent live album.

[stilicho]

See it in MREs all the time. Also has possible uses as an interrogation tactic. :cool:

OK, how about taxidermy?

[R.Mackey]

OK, how about taxidermy?

Training aid. It's not always a good idea to have a real, live America*-hating enemy there for the cadets to mess with, but you can make the next best thing perfectly safe. Beats a wax museum.

Or embalm war heroes if you like. Either way, I'm good.

C'mon, this isn't even hard.

* Or insert nationality of your choice. One imagines the Canadian Armed Forces uses taxidermy all the time, for instance, but this concept is valid in general.

[Hokulele]

There are extremely few technologies that have no military potential. I'll bet you can't name even one.


Tickle Me Elmo.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Tickle Me Elmo.

Can be used in hearts and minds campaigns.

Try again.

[Gangularis]

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. It is possible that you consider your ridiculous reasoning as iron-clad proof rather than mere suspicion, but that's even stupider.

Never mind. If you want to be scared of a < 5 MW ionospheric research instrument, be my guest. Say hi to the boogeyman for me.

You're an idiot. You didn't give me the benefit of any doubt. You gave me the benefit of your own shallow assumptions; something you continue to do.

As per Rule 12 of the Membership Agreement, attack the argument, not the arguer.

[Hokulele]

Can be used in hearts and minds campaigns.

Try again.


You have clearly never been exposed to one for longer than 2 minutes.

[stilicho]

Training aid. It's not always a good idea to have a real, live America*-hating enemy there for the cadets to mess with, but you can make the next best thing perfectly safe. Beats a wax museum.

Or embalm war heroes if you like. Either way, I'm good.

C'mon, this isn't even hard.

* Or insert nationality of your choice. One imagines the Canadian Armed Forces uses taxidermy all the time, for instance, but this concept is valid in general.

I'll give you that one althought the technology was never primarily designed nor implemented by the military.

I figure you could include entertainment applications along with military applications and you'd capture every technological advance regardless of time or geography. My best evidence of this is the deployment of the wheel in pre-Columbian America as a toy (bereft of good draft animals) while it had a close association with the military in Eurasia. Galileo was among the first to elevate the status of the telescope from a toy to a potential military device as discovered by the senators in Venice.

I've never had the inclination to develop this 'theory' beyond a cursory observation but I imagine there is a thesis in there for someone. In Keegan's History of Warfare, he demonstrated that one cave painting could alternately be a stylised device or the 'realistic' depiction of a flanking manoeuvre.

I hesitate to imagine what you'd articulate for the military application of the Ferris Wheel but I bet there is/was one.

[UnrepentantSinner]

You have clearly never been exposed to one for longer than 2 minutes.

I'm not a 6 year old living in a third world ****hole who's never had an animatronic toy.

Try again.

[JoeyDonuts]

I hesitate to imagine what you'd articulate for the military application of the Ferris Wheel but I bet there is/was one.

Uncouple it from the center hub section and let it roll right into an oncoming column of enemy troops.

Still, it's a pity we didn't get the teenage makeouters off the ride before we sent it careening...

[Dave Rogers]

I hesitate to imagine what you'd articulate for the military application of the Ferris Wheel but I bet there is/was one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Panjandrum

Not far off.

Dave

[Myriad]

Isn't the acronym itself a big giveaway?

Obviously, the military has located heaven in the upper atmosphere, and is planning an assault.

Apparently, this has been tried before, (http://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/pl/book_6/index.shtml) with mixed results.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[INRM]

I do not necessarily believe all of this is entirely true. I just wanted to ask level-headed individuals if anything said is potentially possible or true, or not-possible or untrue.

INRM

[dudalb]

Trust so called skeptics to accuse people of calling it a doomsday weapon, even though no such assertions were made, in this thread. At least you're willing to admit that it has military potential. That's all I was getting at... and then people start throwing around wild accusations and assumptions. It's obtuse.

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp_vandelism_in_sky.htm

Sounds like a description of a doomsday weapon to me.
And this webpage is not an isolated example. Almost every HAARP CT page has this "Boiling The Atmosphere" crap on it.
And yeah, HAARP has military potential. BUt that is not the same as the crud the CTers are pushing.

[LightinDarkness]

From now on I'm going to translate everything you post as ..

"PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE CURTAIN"

I guess its time to translate everything you say as

"EVERYONE: RUN AROUND IN CIRCLES, SCREAM, AND ACT HYSTERICAL. ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T SEE ANYONE BEHIND THE CURTAIN, WE HAVE YOUTUBE VIDEO EVIDENCE THAT THE MAN EXISTS AND THAT HE IS OUT TO GET US ALL. RUN FOR THE HILLS, THE END IS NIGH, ETC."



I'll simply say that I think there's something in HAARP to be seriously questioned and looked at in a lot more detail than what scant information the public currently has access to.

Its just too bad no one except kooks agrees with you and that no one in the scientific community has raised these sort of fear mongering accusations.



I'll also simply encourage any interested in this subject to go do your own research, as I intend to keep doing.

And I would encourage everyone to do real research instead of surfing conspiracy sites and finding what you want to Believe.

[dudalb]

Malkuth seems to be adopting the old rule:

"When In Worry ,When In Doubt.
Run in Circles, Scream and Shout".

[Malkuth]

And I would encourage everyone to do real research.

Finally, something you and I agree on 100%

Just too bad I had to cherry-pick you so drastically to find it.

[Malkuth]

Malkuth seems to be adopting the old rule:

"When In Worry ,When In Doubt.
Run in Circles, Scream and Shout".

If you interpret anything I've said as being in the same galaxy as what you just said, your far beyond help.

Cute rhyming btw, ever consider a career as a wildly inaccurate parodist poet?

ETA: As I've repeatedly asked in other threads to no avail, can we please return to some semblance of rational discussion of the actual topic instead of insulting each other? Is it possible for you to do such a thing?

[LightinDarkness]

Finally, something you and I agree on 100%

Just too bad I had to cherry-pick you so drastically to find it.

Well, as someone who has yet to produce any real research on this or any other issue I've seen on this board, I would expect you to use cherry picking techniques. Its pretty common for people who don't know how to do research or are doing research only to confirm what they already Believe.

No worries, I understand.

[LightinDarkness]

Malkuth seems to be adopting the old rule:

"When In Worry ,When In Doubt.
Run in Circles, Scream and Shout".

Indeed, its exactly what hes doing. "We have no actual evidence....from non-woo sources...but there must be something devious and horrible going on here. Everyone PANIC!"

[Gangularis]

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/haarp_vandelism_in_sky.htm

Sounds like a description of a doomsday weapon to me.
And this webpage is not an isolated example. Almost every HAARP CT page has this "Boiling The Atmosphere" crap on it.
And yeah, HAARP has military potential. BUt that is not the same as the crud the CTers are pushing.

You obviously ignored the part where I said "in this thread". I'm well aware of the CT beliefs surrounding HAARP.

[theprestige]

Just too bad I had to cherry-pick you so drastically to find it.
The same way you cherry-picked the official HAARP FAQ?

While you were busy finding excuses to complain about their Open House policy (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4625876&postcount=20), you apparently overlooked this:

Is HAARP a classified project?
HAARP is not classified. There are no classified documents pertaining to HAARP. The Environmental Impact Process (EIP) documents have always been, are now, and will always be completely descriptive of the program in its entirety. The EIP documents are a matter of public record.
Here's an idea: How about you read the EIP, and if after that you still think there's something suspicious about HAARP, let us know.

[Malkuth]

I quoted from the faq to answer a specific question. I have also read the EIS and yes, I still think there's reason for more public interest and more inquiry.

[Sparky]

I quoted from the faq to answer a specific question. I have also read the EIP and yes, I still think there's reason for more public interest and more inquiry.

While you're looking that stuff up why don't you research the devious FRD-10 Wullenweber array in Imperial Beach, CA and tell me how bad that thing is?

[theprestige]

I quoted from the faq to answer a specific question. I have also read the EIS and yes, I still think there's reason for more public interest and more inquiry.
What's the "EIS"? The HAARP FAQ refers to Environmental Impact Process (EIP) documents, that are a complete description of the HAARP project. Have you read them?

If so, are you concerned about something in the EIP documents, or something not in the EIP documents?

[Malkuth]

The EIS is the Environmental Impact Statement, a 440 page document referred to somewhat deceivingly as the Environmental Impact Process documents in the HAARP website faq. I don't know why they didn't refer to it by it's actual name in the faq. It may be that this is because there are several other much smaller documents produced during the Environmental Impact Process, but this is unclear and only one possible interpretation.

It is referred to correctly on another page of the HAARP website
http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/haarp/iriEis.html
if you had bothered to search their website a little more thoroughly.

[stilicho]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Great_Panjandrum

Not far off.

Dave

I'm pretty sure I saw them try that one on Mythbusters and it failed miserably.

I also read an article (can't remember the periodical) arguing that flaming pigs were never actually used in combat. I'd put flaming pigs and this awful HAARP vibro-destructo-ray in the same category anyhow. Chemtrails and dumbing-down fluoridation, too. They are theoretical weapons that have an equal chance of damaging friends as foe.

[garethdjb]

I'm pretty sure I saw them try that one on Mythbusters and it failed miserably.

I also read an article (can't remember the periodical) arguing that flaming pigs were never actually used in combat. I'd put flaming pigs and this awful HAARP vibro-destructo-ray in the same category anyhow. Chemtrails and dumbing-down fluoridation, too. They are theoretical weapons that have an equal chance of damaging friends as foe.

Wow, HAARP is going to reinvestigate ancient anti-elephant technology? Heat Augmented Armaments Related to Pork?

[Orphia Nay]

Google "HAARP" and "earthquakes" and you'll find a veritable treasuretrove of lovely woo.

The connection between the two is so tenuous, it's like they've created something akin to homeopathic vulcanism, but, as the saying goes, "the difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits".

[Comsat Angel]

Actually I recall reading about a medieval siege in England where a mine had been dug, timbers erected and the space beneath target castle's walls filled with pig carcasses, which were then set alight. The pigs apparently burned especially well, destroyed the timbers and brought the house down.

[Comsat Angel]

Sausage Skin Substitute?

[stilicho]

Actually I recall reading about a medieval siege in England where a mine had been dug, timbers erected and the space beneath target castle's walls filled with pig carcasses, which were then set alight. The pigs apparently burned especially well, destroyed the timbers and brought the house down.

I know accelerant was used in medieval mining but I don't remember it being specifically the carcasses of pigs. It was probably pig or boar fat.

Nevertheless, I was talking about weaponised pigs used as garethdjb suggested.

[Travis]

Why are we debating whether the military might use HAARP when we have missiles to worry about? I mean we not only have photographic evidence of the military using missiles but they admit they use them. Think of the horrible things that might be done with missiles! Worry about missiles people.....and tires since I've got it from a good source that the military uses lots and lots of tires not HAARP.

[JoeyDonuts]

Nevertheless, I was talking about weaponised pigs used as garethdjb suggested.

Well, we do know bacon can cut steel.

[Orphia Nay]

http://www.pog.com/games/Pig_Wars

[Robster, FCD]

If you are seriously concerned about an array of antennas, I suggest you don't go outside during the day. We happen to be fairly close to a star.

[Travis]

If you are seriously concerned about an array of antennas, I suggest you don't go outside during the day. We happen to be fairly close to a star.

Great, now Sol is in on it too. Is there anyone not in on the conspiracy?

[Klimax]

Great, now Sol is in on it too. Is there anyone not in on the conspiracy?

Moon.

[Travis]

Moon.

Good old Luna. Very dependable.;)

[theprestige]

Moon.
Moon reflects sunlight, making sure even those of us on the night side are still under Sol's influence.

[Shalamar]

HAARP is a technology used by COBRA to disrupt satellite communications worlwide.

Its online! It MUST be true!

http://www.hasbro.com/resolute/en_US/

Seriously, in G.I. Joe: Resolute, COBRA uses HAARP. Check youtube, and audult swim for the episodes.

[Big Les]

Matt Bellamy of Muse is deep into this guff - he even named their last (live, not studio, pull your finger out you lazy git!) album/DVD "HAARP".

[JoeyDonuts]

Matt Bellamy of Muse is deep into this guff - he even named their last (live, not studio, pull your finger out you lazy git!) album/DVD "HAARP".

Man. The band is GOOD, but the woo is quite strong with them.

[Klimax]

Man. The band is GOOD, but the woo is quite strong with them.

I find their lack of scepticism disturbing.