A Vision I Had [Archive]

Zep

24th November 2003, 12:33 AM

J'ai eu l'année dernière une vision qui viendra pour passer. Les portes seront ouvertes et elle prouvera quelque chose ce qui n'a pas été compris. Puisque l'expérience sera toujours en dehors de vous-mêmes, le problème est lui ne changera rien. J'ai également vu ceci. Vous parlez à environ qui a eu des visions parlées d'elles et elles se sont produites, ainsi je resterai vague sur ceci. Bien que je n'en aie besoin d'aucun, j'ai des témoins. J'ai un methodolgy pour prouver une telle chose. Ah, ouais - je ne me trouve pas d'ailleurs, ainsi nous verrons si quelque chose se produit.

Zep

24th November 2003, 12:34 AM

Ich hatte einen Anblick letztes Jahr, das kommt zu überschreiten. Die Türen sind geöffnet und es prüft etwas, welches nicht verstanden wurde. Weil die Erfahrung noch außerhalb ist, ist das Problem es ändert nicht alles. Ich sah auch dieses. Sie sprechen bis ca., wer die Anblicke gehabt hat, die von ihnen gesprochen werden und sie geschehen sind, also bleibe ich auf diesem vage. Obgleich ich keine benötige, habe ich Zeugen. Ich habe ein methodolgy für die Prüfung solch einer Sache. OH-, yeah - ich liege nicht übrigens, also sehen wir, wenn alles geschieht.

Zep

24th November 2003, 12:36 AM

Heh. Fun with Babelfish...

Making this tripe visible for all the world!

This service brought to you by a very bored Zep at about 8pm and still at work who is waiting for the rain to stop for a bit so he can make a run to the car which parked out in the street a few blocks away...

He should have remembered the umbrella...

TENYEARS

24th November 2003, 04:52 AM

Yea.... What I have had is far from vague and goes beyond statistical probability.

Are visions part of Randi's challange?

You see a catagory A vision is more obvious then 5 billion people all in agreement. I choose the vision, always. It's my own classification and I know something you do not.

Hey, it will only be matter of time and you will be on a new bandwagon. Cool. And you will still have no ??????? clue so why the hell should I bother, other than my familiy, it is the best thing I can do.

A_Feeble_Mind

24th November 2003, 05:46 AM

Wow, Tenyears! That is amazing! You really went out on a limb with your post. And, you don't lie? Well, ladies and gentlemen, what else could we possibly need? Get this guy the million dollars!

Hmmmm...

Or, maybe you could make your prediction, in a non-vague way so that we can see how magnificent you really are.

Starrman

24th November 2003, 09:00 AM

I will stay vauge on this

What I have had is far from vague and goes beyond statistical probability.

If the prediction is not vague, why are you going to remain vague in dealing with it. Do you really not understand why nobody (in their right mind) takes you seriously? You are full of sh$t.

Chad Noles

24th November 2003, 09:20 AM

TENYEARS,unless you state clearly what your vision was,including dates,times,places,and a description of the "occurance"then no one will take you seriously.If you believe in what you say is true,spell it out.You may be right,you may be wrong.Either way,your prediction will be there for anyone to see.

iSani

24th November 2003, 10:10 AM

Kestää ikä I-KIRJAIN had avarakatseisuus joka jälkisäädös johtua jotta antaa. Se jälkisäädös ilmetä jokin joka ei sovittu ja kynnys jälkisäädös olla säilykerasian avaaja. Arvoitus on se won't heilahdus jokin , koska kokea jälkisäädös hiljentää olla ulkona itse , nyt kuluva I-KIRJAIN kin saha. I-KIRJAIN jälkisäädös harus vauge model after nyt kuluva , ainoastaan te aari läksytys jotta jokin ainoa joka has had näkö puhuttu -lta heidät ja he hankkia esiintyä. I-KIRJAIN ajaa hankkia oikeaksi todistavat ainoastaan kaivata ei kukaan. I-KIRJAIN hankkia methodolgy ajaksi kokeileminen moinen asia. Oi , kyllä I-KIRJAIN don't lekotella luona elämäntapa. We'll hiippakunta mikä esiintyä.

Translation into "Finnish" provided by InterTran (http://www.tranexp.com:2000/)

Beleth

24th November 2003, 11:57 AM

Are you that weird guy from hawaii with the weird paranormal powers of some sort?

You sound just like him. I think Telepathic Ads is looking for you.

TENYEARS

24th November 2003, 05:35 PM

Chad, you seem to be level headed, are visions part of Randi's challange? I want to put all the cards on the table, I want the damm world to know it's real, because if they do not they will destroy it quicker than they are now. If you want to see my posts, I have posted on Physics Forum. That is where I am comming from. They refered me to Randi who I did not know existed, I once sent an e-mail but that was the extent of it.

I could write a book and I know it would sell because it is true and that which is true writes itself. Problem is we would still have believers and doubters and truth would still not be a proved accepted fact. Truth is when it is proved, it will be a fact, but it will be like a church, a place to visit and then to move on. The knowlege of it's experience will not be part of peoples lives. That was part of the vision, and I was greatly disappointed.

Chad Noles

25th November 2003, 06:22 AM

TENYEARS,as far as I know,visions "can be"a part of the Challenge,if they can be tested in some way.You would have to submit to Randi what exactly you do,and how it could be tested as being correct or incorrect.The best thing to do is read thru the Challenge guidelines until you understand them throughly.
As to the last part of your post,there will always be people who doubt the truth.It is not possible to make people believe what they don't wish to.That's just the way it goes.

Suezoled

25th November 2003, 06:43 AM

Big freakin' deal. I predicted the death of Princess Diana (I said to a friend "wouldn't it suck is Diana died young?") And 2 days later she was dead. Then I said to the same friend as we were watching TV of the Diana coverage, "now all we need is Mother Theresa to die." And lo! 2 (was it 2?) days later she did. I said "I hope St. Francis of Assisi doesn't walk the earth now." and he didn't. So, there you go. 3 predictions.

Oh, and in the Death of Superman comic arc, I said "they won't keep Superman dead."

So, that's 4. Which is 3 more than Lucianarchy, it seems, and a lot more detailed than TEN YEARS.

Suezoled

25th November 2003, 10:32 AM

Assuming Ladybrook is a hit

rustypouch

25th November 2003, 10:47 AM

2 tablespoons all-purpose flour
1/2 teaspoon salt
1 cup half-and-half
3 eggs
2 slices Swiss cheese
1 recipe pastry for a 9 inch single crust pie
1/2 cup chopped fresh spinach
1/2 cup canned mushrooms
1 (4.5 ounce) can ham, flaked
1/2 cup shredded Cheddar cheese

Preheat oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C).

Beat together flour, salt, half-and-half and eggs in a medium bowl.

Place Swiss cheese flat in the pie crust. Arrange spinach evenly over Swiss cheese, then cover with mushrooms. Pour the flour and egg mixture over mushrooms. Cover with flaked ham and top with Cheddar cheese.

Bake in the preheated oven 45 to 55 minutes, until surface is golden brown.

Suezoled

25th November 2003, 11:02 AM

Rustypouch: you do know I'm not serious about the psychic powers thing, right? I can't even do that spoon bending trick right.

GroundStrength

25th November 2003, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Suezoled
Rustypouch: you do know I'm not serious about the psychic powers thing, right? I can't even do that spoon bending trick right.

I can!!!:rub:

Ignatius

25th November 2003, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS

I could write a book and I know it would sell because it is true and that which is true writes itself. Problem is we would still have believers and doubters and truth would still not be a proved accepted fact. Truth is when it is proved, it will be a fact, but it will be like a church, a place to visit and then to move on. The knowlege of it's experience will not be part of peoples lives. That was part of the vision, and I was greatly disappointed.

That is so beautiful! Will you sign my yearbook?

Have a cool summer.

-Ig

rustypouch

25th November 2003, 02:39 PM

Suezoled: That was just directed to this thread in general, not your post in particular. I hope you did not take insult.

Besides, I like quiche and can perform some psychic effects.

TENYEARS

25th November 2003, 06:42 PM

Chad, the difference is I don't give a damm about belief, what is belief? It is meaningless carp. Knowing is the only thing that counts. Knowing is a state beyond doubt, beyond convinced. Nothing will change with believes on either side, only knowing the truth can change anything or at least yourself.

I will look them up and see. Thanks

Yahweh

26th November 2003, 12:29 AM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Last year I had a vision which will come to pass. It will prove something which was not understood and the doors will be opened. Problem is it won't change anything, because the experience will still be outside yourselves, this I also saw. I will stay vauge on this, but you are talking to some one who has had visions spoken of them and they have happened. I do have witnesses but need none. I have a methodolgy for proving such a thing. Oh, yea I don't lie by the way. We'll see what happens.

Claiming to be a psychic when you have no psychic powers does not make you a psychic.

Predicting the predictable ("the sun will rise tomorrow", "I'm going to take a poop next week", etc.) does not make you a psychic.

If an event passes, and you suddenly link that event to thoughts you had before it occurred, you are not a psychic (i.e. Psychics are not allowed to predict events after they occur).

Deliberately keeping your predictions vague (producing an effect of "open to interpretation" that makes the predictions statistically more likely) does not make you a psychic.

Doing any of (but not limited to) the listed above is intellectually dishonest and will only grant people like me to consider people like you full of s**t.

Hannibal

26th November 2003, 01:02 AM

what is belief? It is meaningless carp

Is that the same as a "red herring"? Myabe Lyndale could say "Cod is"! Do your visions come to you in a "Bream" or are they received when you are in a public "plaice"?

I smell something fishy here....:D

The Don

26th November 2003, 03:46 AM

It's a shame that we've chosen to rip the **** out of TENYEARS give the poor person the benefit of the doubt for a little while at least

TENYEARS, In order to qualify for the $1m, the premonition must be communicated to Randi ahead of time. The prediction must be specific (as everyone so far has said, generalisations are no good) and the prediction must also relate to something over which you have no control. For example, predicting that there will be a terrorist attack in a given place is not valid if you plan to carry out the attack.

Chad Noles

26th November 2003, 06:09 AM

quote:what is belief? It is meaningless carp

James "Deanizen" in "Koi without a Cause":D

Suezoled

26th November 2003, 10:55 AM

Originally posted by rustypouch
Suezoled: That was just directed to this thread in general, not your post in particular. I hope you did not take insult.

Besides, I like quiche and can perform some psychic effects.

Well, I am jealous. You not only have quiche, but psychic powers. All I can do is predict when people will die. :p

roger

26th November 2003, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by The Don
It's a shame that we've chosen to rip the **** out of TENYEARS give the poor person the benefit of the doubt for a little while at leastWell, given that his very first post (http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=1870200653#post1870200653) to this board was an accusation that Randi pays off the testers to get the result he wants, I'm not sure how much benefit of the doubt we should extend in return.

TENYEARS

26th November 2003, 02:46 PM

Ok, thought experiment or not.

Example, but possibly parallel please analyse honestly.
I tell you there will be a terrible disaster, the trains will be stopped accross the country because of it. Did not know the date exactly but the the approximate 4 or 5 day period. Told many and knew it would happen, oneday it hit me while walking, and told some people who happened to be there at the time. There were other events which occured with it, but upon arriavial of that week, I witnessed that part of my interpretation of the vision was wrong not to do with the disaster but what led up to it in my personal life which was also fortold before the vision. It actually gave it far more credibility due to the nature of this certain thing. I would have told people say before I left on this event and during this event informed individuals the day before saying it would occur and this individual would say see it on television and not to worry. Another individual was also informed. The first individual formed the second say letting all know of what had occured since we were predisposed for some reason. It occured on the day and all in the party includin the reciever of the call knew of it. The event occured thousands of miles away and was not due to human intervention. I know this is vague, but give it a shot. Let us also note that up to 50 people new of the vision before hand.

Note: Lets assume this individual only had one other disaster which was specified which also came true. This individual has never said anything of this nature or to this degree ever before.

uneasy

26th November 2003, 03:34 PM

TENYEARS, I claim I did all that stuff you talked about and more. But I never applied for the JREF challenge or had it tested by anyone, so you'll have to trust that I'm telling the truth as much as I trust you are telling the truth.

Funny how that works.

Byeee

TENYEARS

26th November 2003, 04:16 PM

You, would not have to trust me, but you see Randi has one clause to keep his cause. If it were not for that clause, it would be worth an attempt because in the preliminary test he would see that I am not lieing. Why he put this particular cluase in there is reasonalbe, but at the same time there is something he does not understand that negates the potential of such an occurance from happening in those conditions. Maybe he does understand such a thing and purposely has the clause in there because it does not matter to him or not. I am not judging I do not know. If the truth was really sought, he would bend this one rule, I would explain the situation and then who knows. You see the manner of the method which I would use for statistical probability has not been done before to my knowlege, infact, an idea has hit me and I may even be able to achieve this at a local college. I have thought about this before and could do it there with out having to go through your crap. I wouldn't get the million, but so what, the truth is more important. Besides I would not trust that you are already not building a secret case of potential statistics behind the scene and maybe you already have had some results beyond statistical probability and are looking to get a complete sample of the possibilities to further your own cause. This is also a possibility.

De_Bunk

26th November 2003, 04:48 PM

TENYEARS...

You're not a "loony toon kookball", by any chance...are you...???

Because we sure could do with a new one 'round these parts...

DB

Zep

26th November 2003, 05:13 PM

TENYEARS, your story sounds like many people who say after a major event that they predicted it. You may be the most truthful person in the world and never tell a lie, but you have also offered no positive evidence that you even made any predictions at all. You have just told us a story about something, and it is extremely vague at that. This is called "anecdotal" evidence, which makes it even more unlikely that anyone will even believe it let alone accept it.

And such vague anecdotal evidence is not good enough to apply for the preliminary JREF testing, let alone the main challenge itself.

We have told you to read the challenge documentation carefully, and one of the necessary requirements of the testing is that the challenger has to be very specific about what they can (and can't) do, and what constitutes success and failure. Without this it is impossible to measure anything at all.

So once again, if you think you have one of these "visions", you MUST write them down and be VERY specific about what they are about - names, dates, places, incidents, whatever they refer to. Then you must make sure that this evidence is properly dated and stored somewhere that is not likely to allow tampering - I suggest that you find the nearest skeptic and ask them to hold onto it! And then, if and when your vision comes true, or if the time passes and nothing happens, everyone will all be able to see if you have been accurate or not.

Just for your own education, there have been many, many people who have had premonitions and made predictions about future events. But when you look back at their predictions it became very clear that their success rate and accuracy was woeful. Anyone can make vague predictions - I predict here and now that I will die some time in the future - but if I don't know exactly when then I'm hardly very accurate, am I!

TENYEARS

26th November 2003, 07:28 PM

I do not belive they are real you bone heads, I know they are real. Use your brains instead of jumping on bandwagons and you will know it for yourself without someone elses words or experiences.

TENYEARS

26th November 2003, 07:36 PM

Do you really think I am going to post them on the forum for you? Right.

Zep

26th November 2003, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Do you really think I am going to post them on the forum for you? Right. Why not? What is the problem with that? If you are so sure you are right then what is stopping you?

OH, IS IT THE MONEY??? Worried we might use your predictions to claim your prize money?

OK, then. Write your visions down, make a few copies, seal them each in seperate envelopes, and post them registered mail* to people you trust for safekeeping. But make sure you also send one to Randi so he can check it for himself when/if you tell him your prediction comes true. That way you can't lose! OK?

*So you have an irrefutable proof of the date of of your prediction.

TENYEARS

26th November 2003, 08:06 PM

I'll be honest I couldn't give to s???? about Randy, my vision is going to come true and it will be known with or without. That is reality my friend. And visions are what is and people do not have special powers, it is an inate ability of all people. Wake up.

ImpyTimpy

26th November 2003, 08:30 PM

Zep

26th November 2003, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
I'll be honest I couldn't give to s???? about Randy, my vision is going to come true and it will be known with or without. That is reality my friend. And visions are what is and people do not have special powers, it is an inate ability of all people. Wake up. A great and wise man one lived for 20 years in a mountain cave. There he pondered the mysteries of the world, cast his mind into the abyss of deep thought, and explored endless possibilities of wisdom.

And then, one day, he suddenly realised the one great truth in the world.

"That's it!" he said to himself. "I have to go and tell the world this one great truth!"

And so he set off to civillisation, to bring the great truth. For many, many days he walked, down the rugged mountainside, across the freezing streams, along the stony roads. And all that time he was fired up by the knowledge that only he knew the great truth of the world.

Finally he arrived at a small town, and he started to look for someone to tell the great truth to for the first time. A small child wandered up to him, pointed at him and started to speak. The man held up his hand to interrupt, wanting to get the great truth out first.

Then the huge buffalo that the child was trying to warn him about ran him down and killed him.

Hope this doesn't happen to you, TENYEARS! :D

The Don

27th November 2003, 03:53 AM

Do you really think I am going to post them on the forum for you? Right.

No, by all means have them notorised and placed in a safe place. Perhaps you could even send them in, ahead of time, as part of your application for consideration for the JREF prize.

I'll be honest I couldn't give to s???? about Randy, my vision is going to come true and it will be known with or without. That is reality my friend. And visions are what is and people do not have special powers, it is an inate ability of all people. Wake up.

I don't know whether the nature of your premonition is that any element of it can be stopped, but of this is the case then I believe that it's you duty to inform the authorities so that they can help to prevent the incident (if anyone is going to be killed or injured).

Clearly, if it's impossible to prevent, then it's probably best not to tell anyone in case they just stress out about somethng they're powerless to avoid

TENYEARS

27th November 2003, 06:41 AM

Zep, careful what you wish on others it many times comes upon us. I herd that story before, I am not like that relatively speaking and yet at one time in our lives we have all been like that at one moment or another, but this is not about I.

The Don, before this one disaster occured, knowing it was going to happen it consumed me. I knew people were going to die and could do nothing. I feared for my family the people I know, I almost really lost it. You do not understand what it is to have a vision I don't know maybe you do and you arer toying. The irony of how it occured where it occured the frequency and the details would blow you away then again maybe not.

I do not post such things on a forum and I try not to post logic as in PF because people just consume without knowing. They say yes I know that or yes I know that and what do they know. I have watched philosophies altered by my words and taken as their own. This will not promote change. Change must occur by the admission of the truth in a proven manner. This will not change an individual, but it will now rid them of paper thin walls that may possibly keep them from understanding.

This is only a small problem with the world, the juggernaut of consumption is what must be contened with if we are to survive on this planet. Knowing what is, how is when is may help to alter that.

The Don

27th November 2003, 07:58 AM

TENYEARS,

No I'm afraid I don't know what it's like to have a vision. The pain and anguish it clearly puts you through makes me glad that I don't. I do occasionally have quite realistic dreams about things in the future, but to date their agreement with what happens is, in my opinion, no greater than chance.

I've been reading your last post and you've clearly seen something which has concerned you greatly. I haven't got your gift for interpretation and so I've found it very difficult to truly understand what you're warning us about.

You say:
I do not post such things on a forum and I try not to post logic as in PF because people just consume without knowing. They say yes I know that or yes I know that and what do they know. I have watched philosophies altered by my words and taken as their own. This will not promote change. Change must occur by the admission of the truth in a proven manner. This will not change an individual, but it will now rid them of paper thin walls that may possibly keep them from understanding.

Which I think means that you don't want to spoon feed us answers but instead wish us to come to our own elightenment.

You say:
This is only a small problem with the world, the juggernaut of consumption is what must be contened with if we are to survive on this planet. Knowing what is, how is when is may help to alter that.

Have you foreseen some global cataclysm ?

The Don

27th November 2003, 08:18 AM

TENYEARS,

Please forgive me if I misrepresent you. I took the time to look at the Physics Forum to try and get and insight into your visions. For those JREF members who don't have the time here is a summary:

TENYEARS is very concerned by the fact that traditional wisdom and ways of thinking are severely constraining the human race. TENYEARS has been able to transcend this traditional wisdom and his visions have both enabled him to see the future and to truly understand some of the fundamental forces of nature (for example TENYEARS really and truly understood gravity in 1991).

This elightenment first came to TENYEARS in 1987 and in this time TENYEARS has sought to share the wisdom (for want of a better word) with others. Over time however, TENYEARS has become more guarded because the understanding has either been met with blind slavish following (without seeking to truly understand) or with ridicule from those who are bound to current thinking.

Based on this, I can understand TENYEARS' reluctance to say too much but clearly this makes it more difficult for the rest of us to truly understand what TENYEARS is trying to open our eyes to.

TENYEARS

27th November 2003, 09:38 AM

The Don, I don't have the power to open anyones eyes hell there are days I can barely keep my own eyes open. I can't even communicate with people, because communication is a thing that occurs rarely.

I can only hope that if the frame work of reality is known, maybe it would not have to be understood, but maybe just maybe it would affect peoples lives enough.

I am not afraid of ridicule that much, but I am afraid for the future of the planet. My mistress is nature, and she is dieing slowly and we are killing her. Maybe just maybe the truth can make some difference. The truth has always been here, it's just that we don't always see it and in some cases would we know we have.

Gotta go. Happy Thanks Giving To All For Today

Hannibal

27th November 2003, 01:32 PM

I have this problem with what you are saying TY.

You come here and say "I have a vision and it will come true...but I am not going to tell you what it is". Why are you posting here then? To stick your tongue out? "I know something you don't nyah!nyah!nyah!"

Furthermore, you also claim that you have "the truth" but won't share it. Arrogant are we? Damn right - the truth, in whatever form it takes, is not the sole preserve of an individual. If you are so concerned you are duty bound ethically, morally and spiritually to share it so others may reverse the trend that you say is happening. To not do so makes you worse than anyone else - will you gladly fiddle while Rome burns?

Third, you "don't give a ????" about Randi. Again - why the hell post here then?

TY, whatever else you claim you are a troll. Posting for responses so you can stick out your tongue and say "not telling". If you have a truth to share and help the world then help it. If you won't fine - clear off an watch while society collapses and smile smugly that you could have helped and did not. In other words, crap or get off the pot.

(Please note the above does not mean I agree that TY or his statements - it just seemed to make me feel better tha hurling random insults)

Bahala Na!

ImpyTimpy

27th November 2003, 05:26 PM

I finally worked out what sort of a cataclysmic event is being referred to here... It's an event of planetary proportions. That's right folks, tenyears is referring to the famous, currenlty stalled Planet X.

The Don

27th November 2003, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by Hannibal
Third, you "don't give a ????" about Randi. Again - why the hell post here then?

It was suggested at the Phusics Forum that TENYEARS may wish to consider applying for the JREF prize

Here:

http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2414&highlight=randi

El Greco

28th November 2003, 12:39 AM

Looks like wathcing too much Donnie Darko

TENYEARS

28th November 2003, 06:51 AM

The Don, that thread contains all the logic of why one should or should not do such a thing. My other worry is the truth in the hands of a sceptic, from this truth would arise something quite new. Since it would be proved through this challange, he/they would have great influnce over it's affect upon the world. Would it be objective? Would the direction of this knew knowlege be for the people, for the embetterment of human kind?

I also know many would become afraid, if it was found to be true. I know something they do not which would make them not afraid, and yet they would have to believe that as much as they would have to belive that it is real if someone said it is real with so call proof.

Anyway most of the logic is in the thread with a few really good skeptics.

I suppose the question is is Mr Randi or his foundation really interested in the truth? I know the world does not want to know to some degree, and for me that is obvious. If it does not, it is still subject to it's unconcious actions which I don't care what you belive, are subject to the law. The law which is referenced in the bible is the law of physics, for that which is understood and for that which will be understood.

Maybe the time is now.

Hannibal

28th November 2003, 09:04 AM

maybe the time is now

Then state your case or leave.

I ask again, who are you to claim authority over the truth? Are you the only beloved of your god? Are you the only one who knows? Then speak now or forever fiddle and watch - your pontification is meaningless and unwanted.

Bahala Na!

TENYEARS

28th November 2003, 09:18 AM

Hannibal, I am authority over nothing, but I am a witness to it. We speak and understand from the perspective we live. These words are from me, realized by me, but I do not own them. I have taken them from no one and yet they come from me. Do you understand? I am not toying with your mind, rather it is your mind toying with what you think is you.

Eos of the Eons

28th November 2003, 08:50 PM

I am not toying with your mind, rather it is your mind toying with what you think is you.

:dl: How many times have you posted that on forums in the last how many years? Getting a little cliche ain't it? :D

joyrex

29th November 2003, 04:43 AM

Originally posted by iSani
Kestää ikä I-KIRJAIN had avarakatseisuus joka jälkisäädös johtua jotta antaa. Se jälkisäädös ilmetä jokin joka ei sovittu ja kynnys jälkisäädös olla säilykerasian avaaja. Arvoitus on se won't heilahdus jokin , koska kokea jälkisäädös hiljentää olla ulkona itse , nyt kuluva I-KIRJAIN kin saha. I-KIRJAIN jälkisäädös harus vauge model after nyt kuluva , ainoastaan te aari läksytys jotta jokin ainoa joka has had näkö puhuttu -lta heidät ja he hankkia esiintyä. I-KIRJAIN ajaa hankkia oikeaksi todistavat ainoastaan kaivata ei kukaan. I-KIRJAIN hankkia methodolgy ajaksi kokeileminen moinen asia. Oi , kyllä I-KIRJAIN don't lekotella luona elämäntapa. We'll hiippakunta mikä esiintyä.
Yikes! Couldn't have said it better myself.

TENYEARS

29th November 2003, 07:51 AM

I have only been on the physics forum and it was about a year ago this past day or two ago. I do not post alot, although my posts here have actually been quite high in perportion to my posts on PF. I am not interested in convincing, and it seems from some of your repsonses, that this is a group of people just having fun with Randi as the organizer. Seems you just kinda want to be a part of something that means something from what I can gather from SOME of your posts. It does appear that some of you may be objectively looking for the truth I would like to know how one can exist in this life and not. To live and die and not know what is, what you are, what you are surrounded by where you are going if anywhere. Strange way to live.

Eos of the Eons

29th November 2003, 09:04 AM

Not know truth, not know where we're going, not know what is? Quite the contrary.

Your truth is not ours obviously, and what makes your truth more truthful than ours? What makes you right, and the only right?

If you wanna preach your kind of truth, and least come out with it buddy. I'm sure there are tons of people who see truth as you do, and if you don't want to be so disgruntled, go find em, and they will worship you as you seem to want to be worshipped.

Skeptics are skeptics, and your truth or vision, or whatever can be objectively looked at, but not when you hide it like a scared child who doesn't want to be laughed at.

What did you expect when you posted here? For us to drop everything and beg for your truth? Come on.

NightG1

2nd December 2003, 06:27 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Last year I had a vision which will come to pass.
Every once and a while I have this vision...er...dream that I am riding to Jr. High on the school bus and I look down and I'll be damned if I am not in my underware. Then I start to try and run away and everybody starts chasing me and I get trapped in a corner of this......er. Nevermind.

Eos of the Eons

2nd December 2003, 06:59 PM

LOL, and I like your avatar NightG1 :)

Questioninggeller

2nd December 2003, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
I do not belive they are real you bone heads, I know they are real. Use your brains instead of jumping on bandwagons and you will know it for yourself without someone elses words or experiences.

What is the basis for your knowing?

Hannibal

4th December 2003, 01:18 AM

Do you understand? I am not toying with your mind, rather it is your mind toying with what you think is you.

Pathetic.

Don't you dare to presume you know me or that I do not know myself. I know my path and walk it as I choose. I certainly do not hide behind pseudo mysticism and esoterica to hide the fact that I have nothing to offer humanity whilst hinting that I do.

If you are witness to "the Truth" then you are duty, nay honour bound to share it for the benefit of all. "The Truth" is to be available to all and capable of being understood by all - it does not need interpreting and if it did I doubt that God/Gods/Tao/The Source/Aliens from Zog would choose such an incompotent vessel as yourself. You are vauge, insinuate, bait, switch and irritate. In short if you are a messenger or witness to the "Truth" you have failed - miserably.

I challenge you again - no $1m, no finance just duty - Speak what you know so all can share and choose or be silent and return to obscurity. Your innuendo is not working.

Bahala Na!

edited for typos only

GroundStrength

4th December 2003, 07:20 AM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Ok, thought experiment or not.

Example, but possibly parallel please analyse honestly.
I tell you there will be a terrible disaster, the trains will be stopped accross the country because of it. Did not know the date exactly but the the approximate 4 or 5 day period. Told many and knew it would happen, oneday it hit me while walking, and told some people who happened to be there at the time. There were other events which occured with it, but upon arriavial of that week, I witnessed that part of my interpretation of the vision was wrong not to do with the disaster but what led up to it in my personal life which was also fortold before the vision. It actually gave it far more credibility due to the nature of this certain thing. I would have told people say before I left on this event and during this event informed individuals the day before saying it would occur and this individual would say see it on television and not to worry. Another individual was also informed. The first individual formed the second say letting all know of what had occured since we were predisposed for some reason. It occured on the day and all in the party includin the reciever of the call knew of it. The event occured thousands of miles away and was not due to human intervention. I know this is vague, but give it a shot. Let us also note that up to 50 people new of the vision before hand.

Note: Lets assume this individual only had one other disaster which was specified which also came true. This individual has never said anything of this nature or to this degree ever before.

I think I just gave myself a mental wedgie!!!

ImpyTimpy

4th December 2003, 05:37 PM

Hmmm.... Another possibility is that tenyears had a "vision" that we're all inside the Matrix.. This can be inferred from the following statements:

Do you understand? I am not toying with your mind, rather it is your mind toying with what you think is you.

It does appear that some of you may be objectively looking for the truth I would like to know how one can exist in this life and not. To live and die and not know what is, what you are, what you are surrounded by where you are going if anywhere.

Either that or he's lost the plot and forgot which big revelation he was supposed to impart onto the world.

Eos of the Eons

6th December 2003, 03:31 PM

I had a vision, and it made me laugh!

http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/25/

ADD Boy

8th December 2003, 01:54 PM

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with the previous posters: the claim that TY makes that he knows "the Truth" and won't tell anyone else just smacks of third grade behavior. If you don't care, why even bother posting here? So you can prove to people you're right and we're wrong? Got some self-esteem problems, buddy?

(Not saying I personally believe in this or not, but...)
The Buddha found the Truth, and chose to share it with others for the benefit of the human race. He didn't go around showing off his knowledge to others just to boost his own weakened self-esteem, much like yourself.

TENYEARS

8th December 2003, 04:36 PM

Our interpretation of others is a reflection of how we view ourselves. In one of my greatest moments I relaized we were all the same. As for sharing, it is just a matter of time, but it will not be thrown in a post on a forum, or a global e-mail or some other poor mode of communication. It will reach people as an accepted fact of life. Until then, if I post you belive me or you don't. What is that worth. There is a flash light in the field next door do you believe me? Does it matter? What will it be to you? That's what belief is. A meaningless and empty form of accepted communication. It is useless. Unless your purpose is to sway the masses and that is done all the time. That is what will destroy what all hold so dear. Only the truth can change anything, only the truth will give one the strength to alter if not the world, at least the way one reacts to it. In that there can be a chain reaction for change and responsibility.

Wyvern

8th December 2003, 05:39 PM

[Bart Simpson]So . . . anyway . . . [/Bart Simpson]

sol4590

12th December 2003, 10:36 AM

Back in college I had a friend who started indulging a little too much in mind-altering drugs, and he would make these long statements that sounded remarkably similar to tenyears' drivel. Confusing, pretentious, and ultimately meaningless statements about the nature of humanity and consciousness; none of which were descipherable to a rational mind. I don't intend to imply such is the case here, but it's startling to me that anyone could read tenyears' posts and obtain ANY useful information from them.

Aoidoi

12th December 2003, 01:31 PM

Hey, it's more interesting than the work I should be doing. So, once again I'll try to parse this block of "truth."Originally posted by TENYEARS
Our interpretation of others is a reflection of how we view ourselves. So we are only capable of viewing people as mirror images of ourselves? You'd think it'd be confusing when we shake hands.

In one of my greatest moments I relaized we were all the same.You know, I'm not the most... experienced guy in the world, but I'm pretty sure I've noticed some significant differences in between the halves of the population. And oh what a difference. ;)

As for sharing, it is just a matter of time, but it will not be thrown in a post on a forum, or a global e-mail or some other poor mode of communication.Oooh, sky writing? I like sky writing!

Might I ask what your purpose in posting here is, if not to show us the truth? (nevermind, you don't seem partial to answering questions, only provided vague opinions.)

It will reach people as an accepted fact of life.Neat trick. From 0 -> infinity in the blink of an eye. Obviously you've never eaten an elephant.

Until then, if I post you belive me or you don't.[looks around]
Actually, I think everyone is going with option c) no idea what you're talking about. You haven't provided anything clear enough to evaluate, much less believe.

What is that worth.That plus $2.50 will get you a coffee at Starbucks.

There is a flash light in the field next door do you believe me?Well, as there isn't really a field next door I'd certainly admit to some confusion at that point. Though, admittedly, this is well out in left field.

Does it matter?[Bohemian Rhapsody]Nothing really matters... to me... [/BH]

What will it be to you? That's what belief is. A meaningless and empty form of accepted communication. Er, belief is a meaningless and empty form of accepted communication? Well written. :D

It is useless. Unless your purpose is to sway the masses and that is done all the time.While there is an obesity problem in the US, I thank you not to refer to us as "the masses." ;)

That is what will destroy what all hold so dear. ... like? I strongly suspect that email won't be destroying my family or friends. As far as I know posting on this forum isn't about to destroy the country or jelly beans. Frankly, I'm curious what you hold dear that is about to be destroyed via mass-communication.

Only the truth can change anything, only the truth will give one the strength to alter if not the world, at least the way one reacts to it.[looks left]Um. [looks right] Yeah.
Didn't you just get through saying that swaying the masses via mass communication will destroy all we hold dear? Doesn't that kind of imply a change to you? Or is the world somehow constantly destroying things you hold dear?

In that there can be a chain reaction for change and responsibility. Bet you $500 that you, Lucianarchy, or Paul Pethke never manage to change the world. I'll hold the money until you do. :D

sol4590: I had the same thought, though I was thinking of the sequence with the Prof in Animal House. :D

TheBoyPaj

13th December 2003, 12:10 AM

Originally posted by Aoidoi While there is an obesity problem in the US, I thank you not to refer to us as "the masses." ;)[/i]

And if you get THAT lot swaying, you'll never stop it!

TENYEARS

13th December 2003, 06:40 AM

I said I was not going to post again until chief responded, but failed to read something one of you wrote.

No I will not change the world, but the world will realize something beyond what is recognized as natural exists. My disappoinment will be that they will visit or they will acknowlege, but they will not understand. It will be outside themsevles. If this is a great aspiration you are sick. No hero will save this world. It requires the responsiblity to truth, a responsibility to cause and a responsibility to affect and that is something that is not done.

Theodore Rosevelet is turning over in his grave, for the numnut that is our president, with that dam smirk thinking he is faking out the american people. His father was not an awsome leader, but he had a concious had a sense of children and the future. I guess sometimes the apple does fall far from the tree. I am refering solely to the environmental issues here. Every president has done something wrong knowingly or unknowingly. The drop on evironmental crackdown must be his payouts to large companies for campaign and political kickbacks. Thing is, his father had a better record than even clinton. These are minor issues. I wish you all had some of the visions I have of the future and our environment. What a nice present that would make for you.

My concern for the truth is simple, it is not my self glorifification, it is about the truth(In truth you cannot have your cake and eat it too. If so only breifly when you understand you will understand this). I have witnessed things outside myself which would turn any one of you into a born again christian or whatever. It did not to me, because I am far greater of a skeptic than any of you.

I doubt any of you have ever herd this statement before, but in order to find truth, you must be the ultimate skeptic. My definition of that is you believe nothing. It is extremely difficult to live in nomans land, because humans need to believe something it is their path of least resistance. You must deny that path to find truth. What I speak comes from the understanding that is sometimes extremely clear to me.

TENYEARS

13th December 2003, 07:11 AM

Ah one for the road.

Jeeeb Jeeeb, what a good job you doone fixin the election bro. I'd like to repay you by drillin off the florida keys bro. Yea dare be oil down dare. Jeeb don't woooory bout da spills, people think it be like one of those volcanic beaches or somthin. Could charge more. Jeeeb, Jeeeb, you know there be some boofalo down in dem national forests let go git some. Yea.. Some of them good alboys need some trees yea letem take some at a time, nobodylll know. yeaa... Need to put in some roads too. Gotta git me some wolf skins too. Jep, don't worry bout da coast, we got lotaa scams cookin. Aids is wiping out africa, we git da kickbacks on da drug companies when it in full run den we goin and take all da beach front property we want. Just like dem dam indians. Dam they got all dem casinos, dat all right we gitin some kick back on dem too. Hell once we git ridda the abor aboring you know dem dam indians down in astruallia, den we gots more land and beach front property. Maybe some geranimum for dem nucler reactors too. Gotta lighten up those pollution controls real good, we get all dat money back from da companies and den we tighten up the controls at ten 15 percent a year from what we started with and the people remember the last thing they see. Yeaaa. Jeb we in good. Why didn't poppa do all this himself, hell. He musta had a little that thing they call morality.

Couldn't help myself. Probably because no dam fool has ever set in motion such great disdain for truth and morality in the history of the country. No offense on the accents, this man could have been from anywhere. It's not where he came from it's where we are being excellerated too. See I have a sense of sick humor too.

The Central Scrutinizer

13th December 2003, 01:18 PM

Man is accused of robbing 2 banks in South County

Police were seeking Douglas G. Huelsmann, 40, of south St. Louis County, who was charged Friday with robbing two banks in the past week.

Investigators linked Huelsmann, of the 1200 block of Green Knoll Drive, to a robbery Dec. 6 at the Union Planters Bank at 999 Bowles Avenue in Fenton.

A teller identified him as the man who demanded money during a robbery Wednesday morning at the St. Louis Postal Credit Union at 6300 South Lindbergh Boulevard.

Huelsmann is charged with two counts of second-degree robbery. He was not in custody Friday evening.

Anyone with information about Huelsmann's whereabouts should call St. Louis County police at 314-889-2341.

What's really weird, is that I think I know this guy!!! Although if it is the same person, I haven't seen him in about 18 years. But the name is definitely right, and the age is about right, give or take 1 year. That is really weird. Does anyone else have any weird experiences they would like to talk about?

Eos of the Eons

14th December 2003, 06:05 PM

There was this girl I knew in Junior High. Her brother was a year younger. I was only out of High School a few years when I saw an article in the paper about my home town. It's small, about 3,000 people, and the one bank.

The girl's brother had tried to rob it. He didn't succeed, I guess the gun had no bullets. I couldn't believe he would do that...he was such a nice kid, and his family seemed so normal and had money, etc.

Musta got into drugs. Those deplete you of money, your brain, and your morals/ethics.

In grade 9 the girl knew how to mix every drink ever invented, so I think their parents had a rather nice bar and let her play bartender or something.

Needless to say, I'm sure the kids were also then exposed to other substances of ill repute.

Really sad, what a waste.

Hannibal

15th December 2003, 01:32 AM

I stopped someone with their rear lights out last night and gave them a HORT/1 to produce their documents. then I was in the public order wagon for a couple of hours. Because I forgot to pack my evening meal I had to have a McDonalds. Then I went home to bed.

The Central Scrutinizer

15th December 2003, 07:44 AM

Originally posted by Hannibal
I stopped someone with their rear lights out last night and gave them a HORT/1 to produce their documents. then I was in the public order wagon for a couple of hours. Because I forgot to pack my evening meal I had to have a McDonalds. Then I went home to bed.

Don't leave us hanging - why did you only give them a HORT/1? I would have slapped a HORT/2 or 3 on their asses!

Charlie in Dayton

19th December 2003, 02:22 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
No I will not change the world, but the world will realize something beyond what is recognized as natural exists. My disappoinment will be that they will visit or they will acknowlege, but they will not understand. It will be outside themsevles. If this is a great aspiration you are sick. No hero will save this world. It requires the responsiblity to truth, a responsibility to cause and a responsibility to affect and that is something that is not done...

...You must deny that path to find truth. What I speak comes from the understanding that is sometimes extremely clear to me.

...why is this styling so naggingly familiar?

TY, you got any relations down Muenster, Texas way?

Albert, did we find your long-lost little brother they thought the Gypsies absconded with?

NullPointerException

28th December 2003, 05:54 PM

TENYEARS, the bible was unclear and allegorical too, look what happened to it. Keep that in mind when you post stuff to make fun of the skeptics here. :D

Charlie in Dayton

29th December 2003, 12:09 PM

Last nite (actually, Monday morning 29 Dec) starting at 1AM Eastern, was "Predictions for 2004" night on Art Bell's show...I managed to stay awake for maybe the first half hour, maybe a tad longer, but I do remember a caller...his prediction was maybe number five or so...TY, was that you calling in? The prediction was darn near word for word what's posted as the beginning of this thread. The second or third recitation of things, it was thrown in that Coast To Coast would somehow be the beneficiary of this unspecified event (PR-wise, as best I could tell).

TY, either that was you, or someone ripped off your schtick. Like I said, the 'prediction' was almost word for word...ooky spooky...:con2: :jaw:

RussDill

6th January 2004, 05:05 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
The Don, before this one disaster occured, knowing it was going to happen it consumed me. I knew people were going to die and could do nothing. I feared for my family the people I know, I almost really lost it. You do not understand what it is to have a vision I don't know maybe you do and you arer toying. The irony of how it occured where it occured the frequency and the details would blow you away then again maybe not.

I'm sorry, but train disasters are far too common. Trains run all around the world, every day, every hour. Saying one will happen in a 5 or 6 day window is like saying that a fatal car wreck will occur in your town today. Perhaps you should study how often train accidents occur around the world.

TENYEARS

28th January 2004, 07:21 PM

Wasn't me freind. You can't steal someone else's vision, the price for such an act is quite high. I would not lie to you. What I saw was real, it happened and it almost destroyed my life. One variable alone in the entire vision has happen once in 4300 days. It just happened that all the variables in the vision including this one all happened on the same 24 hour period. I knew they would and that is why it almost destroyed my life. If you knew the variables that caused the vision, and how the vision came about and upon what question. Ah... You would not know the truth, but I know you would belive me. Then again, I am not the only one who can know things, maybe, just maybe you would know.

charley_bigtime

28th January 2004, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Wasn't me freind. You can't steal someone else's vision, the price for such an act is quite high.

Well, I nicked yours and got 500 nicker for it from a woo-woo UK cable TV show.

Cheers.

TENYEARS

28th January 2004, 08:07 PM

If I keep silent to a fool or I respond what changes? Tell me, when my vision comes to pass, will you all jump on the new band wagon? What will you call yourselves then? Believing skeptics. What will have changed? NOTHING

RussDill

28th January 2004, 08:10 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
If I keep silent to a fool or I respond what changes? Tell me, when my vision comes to pass, will you all jump on the new band wagon? What will you call yourselves then? Believing skeptics. What will have changed? NOTHING

Hmm...is this vision anything like when paul told us we would all go blind?

max

8th February 2004, 10:57 AM

Tenyears
You keep saying you herd something.......herd refers to cows or deer. Heard is how you spell it. It comes from the verb to 'hear'
I hear
You hear
We hear
They hear
I heard
You heard ......... etc

thaiboxerken

8th February 2004, 11:40 AM

If I keep silent to a fool or I respond what changes?

What the "fool" knows of your stance.

Tell me, when my vision comes to pass, will you all jump on the new band wagon?

Who's on a bandwagon?

What will you call yourselves then? Believing skeptics. What will have changed? NOTHING

No, we will still be skeptics, just ones that know more about the universe.

Right now, you have offered no evidence and are trying to convince people to believe you at your word.

You are a buffoon.

NullPointerException

15th February 2004, 09:19 PM

Nice play for attention, but you would have to answer me if you knew because I had a vision that if the world was going to end I would be told first.

Zep

15th February 2004, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Wasn't me freind. You can't steal someone else's vision, the price for such an act is quite high. I would not lie to you. What I saw was real, it happened and it almost destroyed my life. One variable alone in the entire vision has happen once in 4300 days. It just happened that all the variables in the vision including this one all happened on the same 24 hour period. I knew they would and that is why it almost destroyed my life. If you knew the variables that caused the vision, and how the vision came about and upon what question. Ah... You would not know the truth, but I know you would belive me. Then again, I am not the only one who can know things, maybe, just maybe you would know. We will never know because you AREN'T TELLING US ANYTHING!

Btw, have you told your psychiatrists any of this stuff?