The Murder of Fred Hampton

[Galileo]

The Murder of Fred Hampton

Fred Hampton was the leader of the Illinois Chapter of the Black Panther Party. This film depicts his brutal murder by the Chicago police and its subsequent investigation, but also documents his activities in organizing the Chapter, his public speeches, and the programs he founded for children during the last eighteen months of his life.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7695394023567947690&ei=_anzScH0LY3y-QH0kbnfCQ&q=fred+hampton&hl=en

Let's see anybody debunk this one.

[Sparky]

The Murder of Fred Hampton

Fred Hampton was the leader of the Illinois Chapter of the Black Panther Party. This film depicts his brutal murder by the Chicago police and its subsequent investigation, but also documents his activities in organizing the Chapter, his public speeches, and the programs he founded for children during the last eighteen months of his life.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7695394023567947690&ei=_anzScH0LY3y-QH0kbnfCQ&q=fred+hampton&hl=en

Let's see anybody debunk this one.

This one MAY have some basis in fact since the Chicago PD had some history of corruption.

So, what are you trying to prove here? Police corruption = nasty one-world shadow government?

Good luck with that.

[Galileo]

This one MAY have some basis in fact since the Chicago PD had some history of corruption.

So, what are you trying to prove here? Police corruption = nasty one-world shadow government?

Good luck with that.

I'm in favor of a smaller government. I'm a James Madisonian Libertarian.

[Galileo]

This one MAY have some basis in fact since the Chicago PD had some history of corruption.

So, what are you trying to prove here? Police corruption = nasty one-world shadow government?

Good luck with that.

So you think local police do conspiracies, but not federal police?

[Sparky]

So you think local police do conspiracies, but not federal police?

What's the point you're trying (and failing) to make?

[Sparky]

I'm in favor of a smaller government.


So am I. What's your point?

[TjW]

I'm in favor of a smaller government. I'm a James Madisonian Libertarian.
If anyone had thought to put some magnets in Madison's pockets when they buried him, we'd have a solution to the energy crisis.

[Galileo]

So am I. What's your point?

don't you think its easier for the federal police to pull off a conspiracy, rather than the local police?

[Galileo]

So am I. What's your point?

If that's true, then we are the only two people ar JREF who believe in that.

[Galileo]

Fred Hampton
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Hampton

[Sparky]

don't you think its easier for the federal police to pull off a conspiracy, rather than the local police?

Any particular conspiracy you have in mind?

[Sparky]

If that's true, then we are the only two people ar JREF who believe in that.

Lifelong Republican. It's true.

I just don't see conspiracies lurking around every corner like you do.

[dudalb]

This does it. I am calling the recent flood of CT nonsense threads by Galileo this:

:spam1

[SmartyPants]

Just curious, Galileo, but do think there are any murders out there that aren't a government conspiracy? And if not, how does the government get anything done?

Also, why would it be easier for the "federal police" to commit a conspiracy than for local police? And how does this prove anything?

[Sparky]

Let's see anybody debunk this one.

Is this just a game to you?

[TS-]

Yes.

Or, maybe he's doubting all of these conspiracy theories he's spamming on some level, and actually WANTS people to debunk them, even if he argues against them.

[Redtail]

don't you think its easier for the federal police to pull off a conspiracy, rather than the local police?

Nope.

[Elizabeth I]

Who the hell is Fred Hampton?

[zaphod2016]

I'm in favor of a smaller government. I'm a James Madisonian Libertarian.

Are you sure?

Madison created the Second Bank of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bank_of_the_United_States)- the one later destroyed by Jackson, and the great-grandfather of today's Federal Reserve.

I'd go with Jefferson, personally. Or better still- Aaron Burr (for having the guts to cap Hamilton).

I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

[fuelair]

if anyone had thought to put some magnets in madison's pockets when they buried him, we'd have a solution to the energy crisis.a:D:D:D:D:D

[Galileo]

Are you sure?

Madison created the Second Bank of the United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Bank_of_the_United_States)- the one later destroyed by Jackson, and the great-grandfather of today's Federal Reserve.

I'd go with Jefferson, personally. Or better still- Aaron Burr (for having the guts to cap Hamilton).

I now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.

Madison signed a bill for a bank that was temporary and needed to pay off war debt. He also stated it was gray area consitutional because Washington set a precedent when GW signed the first bank bill. It should also be noted that Madison never pushed for the bank, it was pushed by others (including Henry Clay), Madison only said, when asked, that he would sign one if it were presented to him and met certain specifications. The congress passed the bank bill, and Madison did not interfere with the functioning of congress.

In 1832, Andrew Jackson came to visit Madison, and Madison agreed not to oppose Jackson's elimination of the bank, since the national debt was about gone by then.

Madison also vetoed a bank bill in 1815.

Madison let the first bank expire in 1811, even though a war was coming up.

Madison vilolently opposed the first bank in 1791, one reason being that he did not want a precedent set.

In 1819, he publically critisized the decision McCulloch vs Maryland.

The bank bill Madison signed did not provide for fiat currency, all the money was backed by gold or silver.

The bank bill Madison signed was not privately owned.

The bank created by Madison was not corrupt. It only became corrupt later when Biddle got in there near the end of Monroe's term, while Monroe was suffering from bad health and distracted by aftermath of the Missouri crisis and the aftermath of Panic of 1819.

The bank created by Madison did not operate in utter secrecy.

The bank created by Madison did not control the bond market.

[Ysidro]

I'm more for Dolly Madison.

[Caustic Logic]

Madison signed a bill for a bank that was temporary and n<snip>

The bank created by Madison did not operate in utter secrecy.

The bank created by Madison did not control the bond market.

Good, so you are capable of more than "here's another youtube link, you JREFfers are so ignorant..."

But who the hell is Fred Hampton and what does the video say and what kind of conspiracy is supposed here? Still no details on that subject.

[MaGZ]

What about Rockwell, Malcolm X, MLK, and George Wallace?
The Black Hand of the government at work in the 1960s?

[Galileo]

What about Rockwell, Malcolm X, MLK, and George Wallace?
The Black Hand of the government at work in the 1960s?

I don't think Malcolm X was a government conspiracy. I could be wrong. I think it was more of a LIHOP event.

Rockwell - not sure what you are talking about? Lew Rockwell? Norman Rockwell?

George Wallace - I have not heard of any conspiracies on this one either. Please let me know, because it would be nice if we had a few left wing conspiracies from that era, for balance.

[Roadtoad]

I don't think Malcolm X was a government conspiracy. I could be wrong. I think it was more of a LIHOP event.

Rockwell - not sure what you are talking about? Lew Rockwell? Norman Rockwell?

George Wallace - I have not heard of any conspiracies on this one either. Please let me know, because it would be nice if we had a few left wing conspiracies from that era, for balance.

George Lincoln Rockwell, American Nazi.

Sorry. I'm going back to my room...

[NoZed Avenger]

If anyone had thought to put some magnets in Madison's pockets when they buried him, we'd have a solution to the energy crisis.

Well played.

[Caustic Logic]

Well played.

I feel dumb for not getting the magnets thing.

And for the record I know who Fred Hampton was, just was hoping for some discussion of the case, or something... ain't it worth educating over?

[Sparky]

I feel dumb for not getting the magnets thing.



It implies that he's spinning like a top in his grave. The magnets would make him an electric generator.

[MaGZ]

I don't think Malcolm X was a government conspiracy. I could be wrong. I think it was more of a LIHOP event.

Rockwell - not sure what you are talking about? Lew Rockwell? Norman Rockwell?

George Wallace - I have not heard of any conspiracies on this one either. Please let me know, because it would be nice if we had a few left wing conspiracies from that era, for balance.

Possible Conspiracy in Wallace Assassination Attempt?

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1571/is_44_15/ai_57893700/

[Donal]

don't you think its easier for the federal police to pull off a conspiracy, rather than the local police?


No, in fact, quite the opposite. Local governments are smaller and can more directly control the flow of information (at least, in the pre internet era). There would be fewer people involved. It would also be a lot easier to exert pressure (peer and otherwise) on and flush out possible turncoats.

The Civil Rights movement is in fact a perfect example of this. The small governments in the towns and counties (with help from the state governments) were able to rule their particular jurisdictions.

Federal interference came in and broke up these rings.

[BenBurch]

Bad cops do bad things.

Without cops (even bad ones) MANY people do bad things.

So, you keep cops, and deal with the bad eggs as aggressively as possible, because anarchy (see; Somalia) does not make a good form of government!