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FactCheck
28th April 2009, 01:07 PM
Can anyone calculate the amount of nanothermite (Specifically the one Jones refers to in his paper) would be needed to bring down the towers. I suspect even that would be a massive amount. Am I right? Are we looking at tons here? The "No resistance" theory" suggests all the columns would need to be cut going all the way down the tower according to the conspiracy industry story. Would it also have to go around each hollow column?

Sword_Of_Truth
28th April 2009, 01:08 PM
I think before you do that, you would need to demonstrate that nano-thermite charges can cut vertical columns like the kind used in the WTC.

GregoryUrich
28th April 2009, 01:28 PM
Can anyone calculate the amount of nanothermite (Specifically the one Jones refers to in his paper) would be needed to bring down the towers. I suspect even that would be a massive amount. Am I right? Are we looking at tons here? The "No resistance" theory" suggests all the columns would need to be cut going all the way down the tower according to the conspiracy industry story. Would it also have to go around each hollow column?

The no-resistance theory has been debunked repeatedly. You would only need thermite on one floor. But then you need the remote control plane to make sure it hits that floor. Then you need the right guys in place in AA and UA maintenance to set things up. Then you need poisen gas in the cockpit or to disable the radios remotely. God this is getting complicated.

Nevermind, thermite on all the floors. I calculated it on another thread but I'm to lazy to look for it. I based the calc on Greenings which should still hold. He has revised his number for the impact level based on smaller columns, but I did it based on weight.

FactCheck
28th April 2009, 01:33 PM
I think before you do that, you would need to demonstrate that nano-thermite charges can cut vertical columns like the kind used in the WTC.

An important point in a debate but I am looking for more than that. If you need an insane amount then it doesn't matter if it can cut through or not. As with the thermite calculation, if the floors can't hold the amount of thermite then it doesn't matter if it works or not. If nano-thermite release canasters have to go around the columns on all four sides then it doesn't matter if it works or not. Nothing is protruding out of the sides or outer face of the columns. Videos and photos show nothing.

Nano-thermite, not thermite. I already have those calculations.

Laeke
28th April 2009, 01:40 PM
Does nano-thermite even exist?

I think that once faced with another debunking, Jones would switch to the next denomination: mega, invisible, black energy...

apathoid
28th April 2009, 11:56 PM
Does nano-thermite even exist?

..in theory, kinda like time travel!

Wildy
29th April 2009, 12:00 AM
Can anyone calculate the amount of nanothermite (Specifically the one Jones refers to in his paper) would be needed to bring down the towers.

This is based on no maths whatsoever but I think you need homeopathic quantities to bring down the towers.

Beyond that, no clue. I thought the whole "nanothermite" thing was created to explain away certain questions regarding therm*te.

1337m4n
29th April 2009, 12:28 AM
Does nano-thermite even exist?

Better question: what is even MEANT by "nano-thermite"?

Nano: Extremely small.

Thermite: a mixture of aluminum powder and a metal oxide

So...extremely small powder?

1) Extremely small
2) Powder

...

:wackyerr:

Orphia Nay
29th April 2009, 01:11 AM
Can anyone calculate the amount of nanothermite (Specifically the one Jones refers to in his paper) would be needed to bring down the towers. I suspect even that would be a massive amount. Am I right? Are we looking at tons here? The "No resistance" theory" suggests all the columns would need to be cut going all the way down the tower according to the conspiracy industry story. Would it also have to go around each hollow column?

Very, very interesting admission by Jones et al upon questioning via email by Dr. Greening...

So when I bounced my calculations and conclusions off Jones et al, all he could come up with was the suggestion that there were probably other explosives used in the WTC and the nanothermite chips were maybe just fuses!

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/active-thermitic-material-in-wtc-dust-t150-30.html

Yes you read it correctly, Jones seems to be back tracking, CONSIDERABLY, to declare that the last several years of thermite talk, has been for Explosive "FUSES"!!!!

I am speechless.

TAM:)

To answer Fact Check's question, first you would have to explain how conventional explosives could take down the buildings without making any noise. :D

Lupie
29th April 2009, 01:12 AM
On more than a few occasions, I demonstrated the proper use and safe deployment of thermite grenades. You place a T.G. into the breechblock of an artillery piece, and quickly trip the extractor catch to close the breech. The T.G. would weld the breechblock to the main part of the gun, rendering it unserviceable. In other demonstrations I would insert the T.G. into the muzzle of an artillery piece or the muzzle of the main gun on a main battle tank.

The thermite would usually melt enough of the inner bore of the weapon to the point where any safe, effective, or accurate fire was impossible. Most of the time the thermite did not completely burn/melt through the steel of the gun breechblock or barrel. Also, and this should be obvious, but truthers will not accept this fact-all the T.G.'s I demonstrated burned and melted in one direction-DOWN.

A military thermite grenade has a hard time melting through a gun barrel with a one inch wall thickness, and it only melts/burns in a downward direction due to gravity. The stuff is not exactly suited for building demolitions. But, what do I know, I only actually handled and deployed the stuff. I'm sure some CIT/Truther lackey will come along and scold me because I've never heard of "nano" this, or "nano" that.

ozeco41
29th April 2009, 01:15 AM
Can anyone calculate the amount of nanothermite (Specifically the one Jones refers to in his paper) would be needed to bring down the towers. I suspect even that would be a massive amount. Am I right? Are we looking at tons here? The "No resistance" theory" suggests all the columns would need to be cut going all the way down the tower according to the conspiracy industry story. Would it also have to go around each hollow column?
The key question is are you trying to construct a method of collapse AND implement it from zero base OR do you want to model what actually happened?

If the former - others can answer but the collapse would not resemble what actually happened - explanation/support if needed.

If you are trying to replicate the actual collapse then you need to be clear on the two stages (or three - depends on how we draw the lines)

The two stages are:
1) "Causing the Initial Collapse" i.e. doing whatever is needed to cause the "Top Block" to start to fall; AND
2) "Causing the Global collapse".

If we ignore the reality that neither needed thermate then:

The first stage of initial collapse is the one to focus on.

The end point of that stage had the Top Block moving downwards with all the uncut columns severely weakened by whatever process. All must have been buckled or bent and therefore incapable of taking the original design load (Note that at this point most of the so called leading protagonists are already getting hot under the collar because reality has already removed the underpinnings from Szamboti; Chandler; Greening and the shallow reading of Bazant.)

Now as details lots of the weakened columns have to bow inwards as they fail AND, incidentally, set the scene for the top block to wedge itself inside the outer tube of the lower structure.

Now the easiest way to achieve this with thermate is to cut the lower chords of lots of floor joists. And they are only 1or2 inches. The only "magic" is how to have thermate on them given that the ones in the impact zone have been sand blasted clean by a ruddy big aeroplane breaking up into shredded aluminium. So fixing it pre collision is difficult. The most practical way to do it in my opinion would be by a team of fire suited suicide workers doing it immediately after the collision and keeping away from being seen by dozens of video cameras.

Notice that it is extremely difficult to answer the question without hitting one or more of the incredulity barriers surrounding any "pro demolition" argument.

So I will take a break from the drift into humour.

The real issue is that your question of :"How much Nanothermite..." depends entirely on how it is to be used.

An NONE of the pro nano thermite exponents have the slightest idea how it could be used.

So you cannot answer "How much?" until you know "How?"

"They" won't and cannot say how - can you? I have tried and the above ridiculous "Method" is still the only structural model I can accept as practical for Therm*te and nano doesn't change it even if it is a high explosive cutting device. And the reasons against that idea are too many for one relatively brief post. Summary however is "There is no evidence of cutting explosives aiding any demolition as part of the collapse which actually happened." Note there may be other possible models but none relate to what actually happened. Hypothetical fantasies.

ozeco41
29th April 2009, 01:18 AM
On more than a few occasions, I demonstrated the proper use and safe deployment of thermite grenades. You place a T.G. into the breechblock of an artillery piece, and quickly trip the catch to close the breech. The T.G. would weld the breechblock to the main part of the gun, rendering it unserviceable. In other demonstrations I would insert the T.G. into the muzzle of an artillery piece or the muzzle of the main gun on a main battle tank.

The thermite would usually melt enough of the inner bore of the weapon that any effective or accurate fire was impossible. Most of the time the thermite did not completely burn/melt through the steel of the gun breechblock or barrel. Also, and this should be obvious, but truthers will not accept this fact-all the T.G.'s I demonstrated burned and melted in one direction-DOWN.

A military thermite grenade has a hard time melting through a gun barrel with a one inch wall thickness, and it only melts/burns in a downward direction due to gravity. The stuff is not exactly suited for building demolitions. But, what do I know, I only actually handled and deployed the stuff. I'm sure some CIT/Truther lackey will come along and scold me because I've never heard of "nano" this, or nano that.
Seconded by this Military Engineer.

Dave Rogers
29th April 2009, 01:31 AM
So you cannot answer "How much?" until you know "How?"

Seconded. This is really the only thing anyone can honestly say on this matter.

Dave

tsig
29th April 2009, 06:44 AM
Can anyone calculate the amount of nanothermite (Specifically the one Jones refers to in his paper) would be needed to bring down the towers. I suspect even that would be a massive amount. Am I right? Are we looking at tons here? The "No resistance" theory" suggests all the columns would need to be cut going all the way down the tower according to the conspiracy industry story. Would it also have to go around each hollow column?

One author of the paper says it would take 10 to 100 tons of n-t.

Hoffman says it took 1.8 million n-t loaded ceiling tiles.

Panoply_Prefect
29th April 2009, 06:49 AM
One author of the paper says it would take 10 to 100 tons of n-t.

Hoffman says it took 1.8 million n-t loaded ceiling tiles.

Statistically for it to show up on 100% of randomly chosen samples of dust from all over Manhattan, I'd say it needed to be plenty more.

And on a sidenote, truthers doesn't just argue that thermite (nano, super, or ExtraEverything) were used to cut. I'm actually debating a truther that claims nanothermite explain the "melted steel" in the rubble pile, and the fact that it burned for months. He thinks that the fact that the fires re-ignited when the clearup-teams dug into the pile, is best explained by "the material had nano-thermite painted on it".

jhunter1163
29th April 2009, 02:52 PM
My feeling is that if you filled the WTC floor-to-ceiling you still wouldn't melt the structure.

Seymour Butz
29th April 2009, 03:18 PM
Seconded by this Military Engineer.

There's only 1 truther that ever made any sense to me, He is also an SE.

He said that you'd only need to remove some/most/all of the horizontal floor beams in the core areas, resulting in long unbraced columns, which would then buckle easier.

This also eliminates the "horizontal cutting" part.

Viable?

dudalb
29th April 2009, 04:18 PM
How much nanothermite do you need to bring down the towers?
That depends on whether you use Red, Green, Or Yellow Kryptonite.

TokenMac
29th April 2009, 04:40 PM
How much nanothermite do you need to bring down the towers?
That depends on whether you use Red, Green, Or Yellow Kryptonite.

Well Red Kryptonite is unpredictable so it would be no good, Green is good but it only has limited effect, but Gold Kryptonite takes away any super-strength permanently so that would be perfect.

Ah so that is how the NWO (run by Lex Luthor with funding form Darkseid)killed Superman....wait what are we talking about?

tsig
29th April 2009, 05:26 PM
Well Red Kryptonite is unpredictable so it would be no good, Green is good but it only has limited effect, but Gold Kryptonite takes away any super-strength permanently so that would be perfect.

Ah so that is how the NWO (run by Lex Luthor with funding form Darkseid)killed Superman....wait what are we talking about?

Well the green K masked the effects of the gold K so when the green layer burn away the steel was weakened by molecular interaction.

GregoryUrich
29th April 2009, 05:48 PM
There's only 1 truther that ever made any sense to me, He is also an SE.

He said that you'd only need to remove some/most/all of the horizontal floor beams in the core areas, resulting in long unbraced columns, which would then buckle easier.

This also eliminates the "horizontal cutting" part.

Viable?

Hej, now your talkin. You could cut holes in the floor over the beams which would hold the 100 micron thick thermite in place while it heated the beam and raised the temp by 5 deg C. Down she comes...not.

Furcifer
29th April 2009, 06:22 PM
Can anyone calculate the amount of nanothermite (Specifically the one Jones refers to in his paper) would be needed to bring down the towers. I suspect even that would be a massive amount. Am I right? Are we looking at tons here?

I came across a recent (at least recent to me) claim that it wouldn't take very much at all. The reasoning was the towers were coming down anyways, so all they needed was a very little amount. So little it would be undetectable.

There's no reasoning with that sort of logic.

Macgyver1968
29th April 2009, 08:27 PM
How much nano-superduper-ifyouputnanoinfrontofaworditgivesitssuperabilities-thermite?

KreeL
29th April 2009, 08:40 PM
Logically, the people that put the nano-thermite there built a model somewhere and knew exactly what it would take and how to do it. From experience, it didn't take NIST very long, or very much money, to build a model and try to get the floors to sag to collapse initiation with heat (failed). So logically, one could say a black ops mission with more funds could do the same thing and try out methods to achieve the desired results. Logically, they would likely be the only ones on the planet with liberal access to the technologies used.

An additional thought would go well with this. The planners had to know that a plane would not knock the towers over or destroy them. Why else would they bother with nano-tech? Furthermore, they had to know in advance what it would take to destroy them deceptively, or they would have just loaded in massive quantitives of RDX and a couple bunker busters.

Orphia Nay
30th April 2009, 12:25 AM
Logically, the people that put the nano-thermite there built a model somewhere and knew exactly what it would take and how to do it. From experience, it didn't take NIST very long, or very much money, to build a model and try to get the floors to sag to collapse initiation with heat (failed). So logically, one could say a black ops mission with more funds could do the same thing and try out methods to achieve the desired results. Logically, they would likely be the only ones on the planet with liberal access to the technologies used.

An additional thought would go well with this. The planners had to know that a plane would not knock the towers over or destroy them. Why else would they bother with nano-tech? Furthermore, they had to know in advance what it would take to destroy them deceptively, or they would have just loaded in massive quantitives of RDX and a couple bunker busters.

So the mythical perpetrators had a mythical method funded by mythical funds. :big:

Hint: putting "logically" before batcraptasticness does not fool anyone except fools.

JoeyDonuts
30th April 2009, 12:35 AM
Furthermore, they had to know in advance what it would take to destroy them deceptively, or they would have just loaded in massive quantitives of RDX and a couple bunker busters.

And that was what, in your 'logical' estimation?

KreeL
30th April 2009, 12:49 AM
I don't have to use logic for that. Thermitic material has been verified.

1337m4n
30th April 2009, 01:27 AM
But not actual thermite.

Foolmewunz
30th April 2009, 01:43 AM
How much Nanothermite is needed to bring down the towers?

How ever much Dr. Jones says it would take. Because it really really exists! It does! No, I'm telling you it does! Because he says so and his two buddies peer reviewers say so, too! No, really! They do! You could look it up. It's in a journal. And Doctor Jones is the smartest scientificist type person in the whole world. Yeah, he is!

Panoply_Prefect
30th April 2009, 03:06 AM
Hi!

Up until recently the main explanation afaik of how the thermite were used in WTC, was as special strategically placed "cutter-charges", eg small charges that would horisontally cut of beams etc to weaken the structure (let's not get into if thats even possible)

Now the focus is changing towards painted on "nano-thermite". Has any truther, preferably one of the authors, made any attempt to actually apply this new culprit in some sort of scenario? Or are they still "just asking questions"?

Something in the lines of "Well, they painted it on all the steel so that when the kerosene hit it, it would heat the beams with just over 200 degrees celsius, just sufficient enough to make them bend..." or something?

Orphia Nay
30th April 2009, 03:51 AM
I don't have to use logic for that. Thermitic material has been verified.

Are you trying to win a Stundie?

Wolrab
30th April 2009, 03:57 AM
I don't think it really matters to them to come up with a realistic way paint can sever columns. They just muddy the waters to give other conspiradroids something to latch onto so their books/conferences sell. We have all seen it is only about money.

Wolrab
30th April 2009, 04:05 AM
I don't have to use logic for that. Thermitic material has been verified.
From http://www.thermitic.net/
"Thermitic works to provide Detroit organizations access to the latest online communication tools. Founded by Benjamin Chodoroff, a self-taught programmer, Thermitic is currently developing an exciting system to allow existing organizations to provide modern web services (online commerce, publishing, and marketing tools) to their constituents at a very low cost. "

Chodoroff or Chertoff? The jig is up!

Travis
30th April 2009, 06:23 AM
Um, nano-cutter charges attached to nano-columns.;)

WildCat
30th April 2009, 06:51 AM
Nano-jews put the nano-thermite on the columns. That's why no one saw them do it.

30th April 2009, 06:55 AM
Little tiny itsy bitsy Jews ROCK!

Lenbrazil
30th April 2009, 07:01 AM
I don't think it really matters to them to come up with a realistic way paint can sever columns. They just muddy the waters to give other conspiradroids something to latch onto so their books/conferences sell. We have all seen it is only about money.

To be fair they are now saying the superduper nanofilm might have been used to ignite something else. Seems like a retreat to me, Hoffman did proposed his stupid ceiling tile "theory".

BigAl
30th April 2009, 07:37 AM
To be fair they are now saying the superduper nanofilm might have been used to ignite something else. Seems like a retreat to me, Hoffman did proposed his stupid ceiling tile "theory".

It's the only thing that can ignite Hush-A-Boom.

boloboffin
30th April 2009, 08:05 AM
Steven Jones has become enamored of the "nanothermite as fuse" notion. The paint chips were used to ignite the real explosive!

For which there is absolutely no evidence.

WildCat
30th April 2009, 08:11 AM
Steven Jones has become enamored of the "nanothermite as fuse" notion. The paint chips were used to ignite the real explosive!

For which there is absolutely no evidence.
So does this mean he is backing away from the molten steel claims?

boloboffin
30th April 2009, 08:14 AM
So does this mean he is backing away from the molten steel claims?

Oh, no chance of that. I guess it's better to say that he's enamored of it as a new technique in his three-card-monte skills.

Rogue1stclass
30th April 2009, 08:36 AM
Nano-jews put the nano-thermite on the columns. That's why no one saw them do it.

Not nano-jews, nano-shrews! Teensy, tiny little insectivores with venomous saliva that will starve to death if they sleep more than a few minutes at a time!

They brought down the Twin Towers by being, pound for pound (ounce for ounce?), the most badass mammals in the world.

It's all coming together now.

Sunstealer
30th April 2009, 08:48 AM
I don't have to use logic for that. Thermitic material has been verified.No it hasn't, that paper is a crock of crap and it was also published in dodgy circumstances causing a well respected professional to resign. You just aren't qualified or educated enough to understand the paper nor see it's massive flaws. In fact I bet you haven't even read it along with 99.9% of other ill educated truthers. If you wish to educate yourself then I suggest you read this thread. http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=140017 If there is no free/elemental aluminium in the sample then a thermite reaction is not possible. QED.

FineWine
30th April 2009, 09:15 AM
Logically, the people that put the nano-thermite there built a model somewhere and knew exactly what it would take and how to do it. From experience, it didn't take NIST very long, or very much money, to build a model and try to get the floors to sag to collapse initiation with heat (failed). So logically, one could say a black ops mission with more funds could do the same thing and try out methods to achieve the desired results. Logically, they would likely be the only ones on the planet with liberal access to the technologies used.

An additional thought would go well with this. The planners had to know that a plane would not knock the towers over or destroy them. Why else would they bother with nano-tech? Furthermore, they had to know in advance what it would take to destroy them deceptively, or they would have just loaded in massive quantitives of RDX and a couple bunker busters.

Has anybody devoted a minute of thought to the question of why THEY wanted the buildings to fall?

Panoply_Prefect
30th April 2009, 09:31 AM
I guess "No" then...:boxedin:

tsig
30th April 2009, 10:42 AM
Has anybody devoted a minute of thought to the question of why THEY wanted the buildings to fall?

War in Iraq.

Set up for PNAC

We don't do these things because they're easy we do them because we are EVIL.:p

beachnut
30th April 2009, 10:53 AM
... Has any truther, preferably one of the authors, made any attempt to actually apply this new culprit in some sort of scenario? Or are they still "just asking questions"? ...

Jones hands off and endorses Hoffman's super skills as a software engineer who created the "scenario". ( http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html) ) ( http://www.911blogger.com/node/19761 )

Jones said, "6. James Hoffman has written three essays further explaining the implications and results of the paper. Thank you, Jim, for this work! http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html) "

Is Hoffman nuts? He puts the super-nano-nano-thermite in the ceiling tiles! Here is what it takes to be a super-duper Jones dolt-trooper.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/hoffmanx.jpg
These idiots would be easier to bust than McVeigh. It takes the dirt dumb mentality like McVeigh had, to believe in 911Truth McThermite Jones.

FineWine
30th April 2009, 11:00 AM
War in Iraq.

Set up for PNAC

We don't do these things because they're easy we do them because we are EVIL.:p

Yeah, if you didn't know better, you'd think they just plain forgot to make some of hijackers Iraqis.

boloboffin
30th April 2009, 11:14 AM
Jones hands off and endorses Hoffman's super skills as a software engineer who created the "scenario". ( http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html) ) ( http://www.911blogger.com/node/19761 )

Jones said, "6. James Hoffman has written three essays further explaining the implications and results of the paper. Thank you, Jim, for this work! http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html) "

Is Hoffman nuts? He puts the super-nano-nano-thermite in the ceiling tiles! Here is what it takes to be a super-duper Jones dolt-trooper.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/hoffmanx.jpg
These idiots would be easier to bust than McVeigh. It takes the dirt dumb mentality like McVeigh had, to believe in 911Truth McThermite Jones.

Oh, man. You know, it's like I stopped looking after explosive nanothermite ceiling tiles and totally missed the nanothermite kicker charge disguised as a fire extinguisher. RED PAINT!!!!

Panoply_Prefect
30th April 2009, 11:48 AM
Jones hands off and endorses Hoffman's super skills as a software engineer who created the "scenario". ( http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html) ) ( http://www.911blogger.com/node/19761 )

Jones said, "6. James Hoffman has written three essays further explaining the implications and results of the paper. Thank you, Jim, for this work! http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html) "

Is Hoffman nuts? He puts the super-nano-nano-thermite in the ceiling tiles! Here is what it takes to be a super-duper Jones dolt-trooper.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/hoffmanx.jpg
These idiots would be easier to bust than McVeigh. It takes the dirt dumb mentality like McVeigh had, to believe in 911Truth McThermite Jones.

:eye-poppi

beachnut
30th April 2009, 11:48 AM
Oh, man. You know, it's like I stopped looking after explosive nanothermite ceiling tiles and totally missed the nanothermite kicker charge disguised as a fire extinguisher. RED PAINT!!!!
Just the tip of the stupid-berg of 911Truth.

KreeL
30th April 2009, 12:42 PM
Can any of you point me to some scientific analysis of the debris dust proving the chips are paint? Did NIST clue you in? Maybe I missed something.

beachnut
30th April 2009, 12:44 PM
Can any of you point me to some scientific analysis of the debris dust proving the chips are paint? Did NIST clue you in? Maybe I missed something. Off topic tripe.

The topic is

... Has any truther, preferably one of the authors, made any attempt to actually apply this new culprit in some sort of scenario? Or are they still "just asking questions"? ...

If you need help understanding the topic you could ask for help.

What about those 1.8 million ceiling tiles? Why didn't we find any of the 240 20 channel 200W repeaters? Why does Hoffman make up dirt dumb scenarios? Was the real plot killing pilots and flying plane into building too complex for 911Truth to grasp?

GregoryUrich
30th April 2009, 01:34 PM
It's the only thing that can ignite Hush-A-Boom.

I think the proper term is B-ush.:D

BenBurch
30th April 2009, 01:35 PM
How long before that drop the "Thermite" from the "Nano" and simply start to allege that the towers were brought down by military nanomachines that simply chomped their way through the steel?

Mr.D
30th April 2009, 02:16 PM
This is based on no maths whatsoever but I think you need homeopathic quantities to bring down the towers.

You might be on to something here.

Perhaps one of the qualities of nano/super thermite is that the less there is of it, the more effective it is! That would explain everything! The NWO used so little nano/super thermite that it's almost impossible to find any trace of it!

Absence of thermite is proof of CD! :eek:

cludgie
30th April 2009, 02:22 PM
How long before that drop the "Thermite" from the "Nano" and simply start to allege that the towers were brought down by military nanomachines that simply chomped their way through the steel?

You mean like genetically engineered cyborg NANO-TERMITES?

Seymour Butz
30th April 2009, 02:37 PM
Hej, now your talkin. You could cut holes in the floor over the beams which would hold the 100 micron thick thermite in place while it heated the beam and raised the temp by 5 deg C. Down she comes...not.

Actually, I was hoping to hear from an SE that could have an opinion of whether or not removing the floor beams in the core would be likely to cause a collapse.

No one ever said anything about 100 micron thickness either, so I wonder where you got that from.

tsig
30th April 2009, 02:44 PM
Jones hands off and endorses Hoffman's super skills as a software engineer who created the "scenario". ( http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html) ) ( http://www.911blogger.com/node/19761 )

Jones said, "6. James Hoffman has written three essays further explaining the implications and results of the paper. Thank you, Jim, for this work! http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html) "

Is Hoffman nuts? He puts the super-nano-nano-thermite in the ceiling tiles! Here is what it takes to be a super-duper Jones dolt-trooper.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/hoffmanx.jpg
These idiots would be easier to bust than McVeigh. It takes the dirt dumb mentality like McVeigh had, to believe in 911Truth McThermite Jones.

It looks like hoffman debunks Jones. Was it chips or tiles?

beachnut
30th April 2009, 03:31 PM
It looks like hoffman debunks Jones. Was it chips or tiles?
It was chips in the tiles.

Lenbrazil
30th April 2009, 03:50 PM
Jones hands off and endorses Hoffman's super skills as a software engineer who created the "scenario". ( http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/blasting_scenario.html) ) ( http://www.911blogger.com/node/19761 )

Jones said, "6. James Hoffman has written three essays further explaining the implications and results of the paper. Thank you, Jim, for this work! http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html (http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/thermite/index.html) "

Is Hoffman nuts? He puts the super-nano-nano-thermite in the ceiling tiles! Here is what it takes to be a super-duper Jones dolt-trooper.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll116/tjkb/hoffmanx.jpg
These idiots would be easier to bust than McVeigh. It takes the dirt dumb mentality like McVeigh had, to believe in 911Truth McThermite Jones.

I pointed out Hoffman's math blunders in another thread. Interestingly he thinks that they only needed explosives on every OTHER floor thus implicitly excepting that the collapsing mass of one floor can crush the one below it. Why then he rejects the notion that the combined mass of two or more floors with greater velocity would need any help crushing the fllors below them is beyond me.

"Jones hands off and endorses Hoffman's super skills as a software engineer who created the "scenario". "

Appeal to false authority. Though Hoffman is quite a credible software engineer he didn't reach his conclusions using any sort of computer modelling, he doesn't even seem to have used a simple 4 function calculator. It was pure speculation.

KreeL
30th April 2009, 04:11 PM
Why do you call it super-nano-nano-thermite? Hoffman's hypothesis is still plausible given the scope of what was needed.

jhunter1163
30th April 2009, 04:13 PM
1.8 million tiles and every one, EVERY (RULE10)ING ONE, went off the way it was supposed to? The NWO is GOOD!

Arus808
30th April 2009, 04:14 PM
Why do you call it super-nano-nano-thermite?
because its a made up term; and made up substance because the authors are frauds.

Hoffman's hypothesis is still plausible given the scope of what was
needed.

no it isn't. as demosntrated by several tests, THERMITE isn't an efficient means to cutting through ANYTHING.

KreeL
30th April 2009, 04:16 PM
1.8 million tiles and every one, EVERY (RULE10)ING ONE, went off the way it was supposed to? The NWO is GOOD!

I fail to see why every single one would have to. Surely a few didn't.

"Thermite can't cut through anything" - Arus808

Now that is surely a Stundie candidate.:p

jhunter1163
30th April 2009, 04:19 PM
I fail to see why every single one would have to. Surely a few didn't.

"Thermite can't cut through anything" - Arus808

Now that is surely a Stundie candidate.:p

None were found. Where'd they go if they weren't 100% reliable?

KreeL
30th April 2009, 04:26 PM
Of course, and since ceiling tiles weren't found, what happened to them? Were they obliterated like everything else? I suggest you put the debris under a microscope and see where they went. Oh wait....Dr. Harritt already did that.

Arus808
30th April 2009, 04:36 PM
"Thermite can't cut through anything" - Arus808

Now that is surely a Stundie candidate.:p

Nice quote mine, and out of context

not even a stundie.

FactCheck
30th April 2009, 06:38 PM
Some of you asked some good questions. One question was what collapse would I like to calculate. I would like to calculate both the way the towers fell and the way the conspiracy industry said it fell. That includes the thermite which kept the steel molten for months. I like to put an exclamation point on the absurdity. :)