TBN Pracher and Spokesmouth Joyce Meyer says GOD has made her rich

[billiefan2000]

The Feds need to start breaking up the con-artists on TBN starting with Meyer and Hinn and Joel Osteen and Junaita Bynum to name a few of the phonies on TBN.

As a Christian I am ashamed of TBN and I am even more disgusted that many in the Christian Community turn a blind eye to the corruption that is happening in the Christian Community.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/joycemeyer.nsf/0/18C14871599F61AC86256DDD0081B42B?OpenDocument

[triadboy]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
The Feds need to start breaking up the con-artists on TBN starting with Meyer and Hinn and Joel Osteen and Junaita Bynum to name a few of the phonies on TBN.

As a Christian I am ashamed of TBN and I am even more disgusted that many in the Christian Community turn a blind eye to the corruption that is happening in the Christian Community.



Oh Billiefan, you'd have a big wig and the make-people-faint touch if you could get away with it.

[billiefan2000]

two things:

1. I unlike Hinn and others like them on TBN dont have dead animals (I mean wigs) (I mean hair) on my head.

I have natural brownish blond hair.


2. I am intrested in helping people. I wouldnt want money nor would I care about the money,helping people and bringing the lost to Jesus is what I care about.


triadboy,if you go to:

http://prayusa.org/prayer_display.php3?Category=1503&board=7

and:



http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=119250

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=100830

http://rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=114012



and you will see what my intentions are.


There is another reason I wouldnt end up like them:

I dont have the love of money or a obsession with money like those on TBN do.

[BroodingSkill]

Billiefan, if your really interested in helping someone, how about feeding the homeless, helping disadvantaged kids, helping people stay off drugs,or help with habit for America( or whatever its called were you build houses). Do something besides pray. If your already doing some of this then Bravo! Do something in the here and now to help someone. Don't just send them good thoughts.


Ah, who am I kidding you'll never read this anyway.

[Yahweh]

60 more posts, and Satan will eat your computer, Billiefan...

[Filippo Lippi]

TBN Pracher and Spokesmouth Joyce Meyer says GOD has made her rich

In a way she is right

[Graham]

Originally posted by Fillipo Lippi


In a way she is right

Any particular way?

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by BroodingSkill
Billiefan, if your really interested in helping someone, how about feeding the homeless, helping disadvantaged kids, helping people stay off drugs,or help with habit for America( or whatever its called were you build houses). Do something besides pray. If your already doing some of this then Bravo! Do something in the here and now to help someone. Don't just send them good thoughts.


Ah, who am I kidding you'll never read this anyway.

I help my neighbors and my friends and family and those who need help.




ALSO LIPPI IS RIGHT:


one more thing on Meyer people should know:

http://www.christian-witness.org/not_in_pubs/
drjoyce.html

In the most recent monthly magazine published by Joyce Meyer Ministries we learn that now Joyce Meyer is Doctor Joyce Meyer!


How did she achieve this highest level of academic standing?

Simple.

Mr. Oral Roberts bestowed this honorary degree upon her most august head.

This means we can expect to see "Dr." now tacked onto her name on books, tapes, and videos.


What is amazing is the fact that Mrs. Meyer has absolutely no legitimate undergraduate or post graduate degree to merit such an appellation.


She has no earned college degree at all.

Please keep in mind that whenever you see the title "Dr." in front of a charismatic teacher's name, especially if they are on television you can "bet" nine times out of ten that the degree is bogus.

Almost all charismatic ministers openly denigrate serious biblical study on the seminary level.

Yet they love to use the title of a scholar.

Why?



To give them the credibility they lack. The degree title will make the unsuspecting Christian put more confidence in what they teach, after all, they are a "Doctor."

This is just another example of the deception that these ministers knowingly perpetrate on the unsuspecting Christian.


Anyone in the academic world will tell you that no one of any repute will use or cite an honorary degree.


Certainly they will not use it in connection with their publications.


Why not?


Because people of integrity know full well that they have not put in the requisite time required to merit such a title.

To use an honorary degree in the same manner as a person who has worked for the degree is seen as an insult to those who have put in the hard years of study to earn that academic standing.

Yet charismatic leaders, many of whom, like Joyce, who have no college degree at all have no moral problem calling themselves by a title they have not earned.


This should not surprise us because they call themselves apostles, prophets, and bishops - these titles are just as hollow and fraudulent as their doctorate titles.


Some of these charismatic frauds are "Dr." Marilyn Hickey, "Dr." Kenneth E. Hagin, "Dr." Oral Roberts, "Dr." Joyce Meyer, "Dr." Rodney Howard Brown, "Dr." Lester Sumrall.


Joyce has now joined the ranks of the fraud squad - it is a shame that she did not have enough integrity to simply turn down the offered title (considering the source!).


And now has added an additional level of deception to her ministry.

In the magazine it did state that the title is honorary . . . yet will this fact appear on her books and tapes?

When she is introduced as Dr. Joyce Meyer will she say "hey guys it is just an honorary title?"


I would like to think so, if she does, she will be the first of many who use these fake title to garner praise and esteem from those who know even less than they do.

[Martin]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
What is amazing is the fact that Mrs. Meyer has absolutely no legitimate undergraduate or post graduate degree to merit such an appellationRemind me how you feel about Kent Hovind?

[Diamond]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

I help my neighbors and my friends and family and those who need help.



I do that and so do most of my atheist and agnostic friends. Its hardly a recommendation to your religion to simply do what most people out of common humanity.

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Diamond


I do that and so do most of my atheist and agnostic friends. Its hardly a recommendation to your religion to simply do what most people out of common humanity.


Good point Diamond.


The problem is people whether they are Atheist or Buddist or Christian or Mormon or New-Age have nowadays become so self absorbed and self-centered.


It has become a me me me society and I think we need to stop thinking about ourselves regardless what our political or religious or non-religious opinions are and start helping each other out.





MARTIN:


Who is Kent Hovind?

[Martin]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Who is Kent Hovind?Ahh...that's good to hear.

[Darat]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



Good point Diamond.


The problem is people whether they are Atheist or Buddist or Christian or Mormon or New-Age have nowadays become so self absorbed and self-centered.


It has become a me me me society and I think we need to stop thinking about ourselves regardless what our political or religious or non-religious opinions are and start helping each other out.


…snip…

Can you point to a time when it wasn't a "me me me" society? Not that I don't agree with you in that we all should help each other more, it's just I don't think today's society is any different from societies in the past in this aspect.

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Darat


Can you point to a time when it wasn't a "me me me" society? Not that I don't agree with you in that we all should help each other more, it's just I don't think today's society is any different from societies in the past in this aspect.


It always has been about me me me in some form,


but in olden days,

kids had respect for their parents,and there wasnt violence in schools and we didnt have a STD epidemic as we have nowadays.



Plus Truth and Honesty dont mean a damn thing nowadays to most people.

[Darat]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



It always has been about me me me in some form,


but in olden days,

kids had respect for their parents,and there wasnt violence in schools and we didnt have a STD epidemic as we have nowadays.

But that isn't really the case - just a quick search turns up:

http://www.mf.uni-lj.si/acta-apa/acta-apa-00-3/kansky.html

...snip...

Epidemics of syphilis are known to have occurred in Europe since the years 1494/5 when a severe epidemic erupted in Italy during the war between the kings of France and Naples (5). It is known that in the periods of World Wars I and II and also at the time of the great depression in 1929 the incidence of syphilis was high. There are no reliable data for the incidence of syphilis in Slovenia during the period of World War II, but in the early fifties about 500 cases were still registered yearly (6).

...snip...


And the in the UK

http://cai.ucdavis.edu/waters-sites/prostitution/ProstitutionDiseases.htm

...snip...

Venereal diseases had become so prevalent in Great Britain that in 1864, a reform measure called the Contagious Disease Act was passed. This act allowed policemen in garrison towns and naval ports such as Portsmouth and Plymouth, to arrest suspected prostitutes in order to have them undergo medical examinations at certified hospitals (Bartley, 12). If they were found to be diseased, they were sent to lock hospitals where they could be held in detention for a maximum of three months. Although the pressure for the medical inspection of prostitutes grew, there was no action made to examine the clients of the prostitutes, the enlisted men. The act “reinforced a double standard of sexual morality” (Walkowitz, 1992, p.23). Males in the Victorian era were not condemned for their actions in partaking of the sexual services and female prostitutes were in giving them.

...snip...


Originally posted by billiefan2000

Plus Truth and Honesty dont mean a damn thing nowadays to most people.

Again I contend that "today" is not an exceptional good or bad time for any of these values.

I know this probably seems to be picking at a minor point but it seems some people want to believe that "today" is the worse time ever for all the "good values". I think "today" in fact may be better for many of us then any other time we could have lived in. After all many of us live in societies with universal access to health care, a legal system that is at least accessible to anyone, were badness can be exposed and publicised beyond the control of the "bad" person, were we are protected as individuals and have recognised “rights”.

[Lord Emsworth]

Originally posted by Billiefan2000
The problem is people whether they are Atheist or Buddist or Christian or Mormon or New-Age have nowadays become so self absorbed and self-centered.

It has become a me me me society and I think we need to stop thinking about ourselves regardless what our political or religious or non-religious opinions are and start helping each other out.



To me it seems to be a problem that religious or political beliefs are all too often way too selfless. Never forget that you yourself are a part of the equation as well, and not only others.

Remember what Jesus said: "Love your neighbor as yourself" (Good thing to say, no matter if you think JC was the son of god or not) and take into consideration that if you don't love yourself the JC advise doesn't work.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Joyce Meyers is an idiot. I thought billiefan would have worshipped her. For obvious reasons.

[wollery]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
It always has been about me me me in some form,

but in olden days, kids had respect for their parents,and there wasnt violence in schools and we didnt have a STD epidemic as we have nowadays.

Plus Truth and Honesty dont mean a damn thing nowadays to most people.

Sorry billiefan, but kids didn't respect their parents any more than they do now, they just feared the beating they'd get if they stepped out of line. And as for violence in schools, that was always there, except that it used to be perpetrated by the staff, often unfairly.

To be honest, I don't think people today are any different from the way they ever have been. The bible is full of stories of greed, corruption, cowardice and dishonesty - often from people who are meant to be holy and righteous. And history shows us that people have always been bigotted, racist, greedy and stupid.

We are what nature has made us.

[hgc]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

...
but in olden days,
...You are outrageously quaint.... and we didnt have a STD epidemic as we have nowadays...Do you have any idea how many have died from syphilis (known to some as "being Frenchified") over the millenia? (Actually I don't either, but I know it's a lot, and I was hoping you could tell me... oops, who am I asking? Just tell me when to pack my bags for the big R ... anything else I need to know I'll look up in a book.)

[billiefan2000]

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stories.nsf/News/FFB8168B4523A2BD86256E10000BF461?OpenDocument&%20Headline=Meyer's+ministry+withdraws+program+fro m+C<br%20/>hannel+24

[Roadtoad]

I really could care less about religious frauds from Joyce Meyer to Sylvia Browne to Benny Hinn to Kenneth Copeland. Here's one fact that everyone seems to be overlooking in all of this:

In this land of religious liberty, you have the responsibility to learn whether what it is you're being taught is truth, or a pack of lies. In order to do this, you have a moral, legal, spiritual obligation to check it out based upon objective fact, and assay whether you're being lied to or not.

If you can't seem to guess that all Benny Hinn wants is your money, then I guess you deserve to lose it. If you choose to be an idiot, you should pay an idiot's penalty.

I'm reminded of a friend from one church, a sweet older woman whose husband had "A VISION FROM GOD!!!" of a business that simply could not fail, and he was called upon to start this blessed, divine business which would in turn make him and his wife BLESSED WITH RICHES!!!

Of course, the business failed. In the first year. In other words, "God" did not keep His word. A few weeks later, he moved his wife up here, saying he'd follow in a few weeks after their house in the LA area was sold. What he actually did was file for divorce, and run off with another woman.

Got a hot flash for you. For everyone who claims he's got the inside track as to what God wants, there's at least five others who fan show you he's a liar.

You have an obligation to look at what the Bible says, yes, but you also have an obligation to sort through it, taking the wheat from the chaff.

So, here's what I get from it:

(1.) I have an obligation to help those in need, regardless of what they believe. During this time, I may state my own beliefs, but once I'm told they've heard enough, it's time to shut up.

(2.) Whether or not there's a Rapture, common decency requires that I treat others with the same respect I demand. If there's a Rapture, I sincerely question if God is going to accept me into His presence simply because I decided I didn't want to be left behind and groveled on the ground before Him. Nor would I expect that He would accept me because I did the right thing because I was looking for spriritual brownie points, or prayed the right way, or danced jigs over the graves of the unworthy.

(3.) Life's unfair. That's no excuse for me to be unfair.

(4.) Before you jam your finger telling others how unworthy they are, you'd better have your @$$ in front of a mirror and take a long, hard look at the person YOU are, first. If you haven't done that, shut up, and start working on yourself before you tell others what's wrong with them.

I'd say I got a lot out of the Bible. What about you, Billie?

(Since Billiefan seems to be of the perverse idea that I'm a scoffer, I'd like for him to take the time to show that I am in this or any other thread. Otherwise, I'd say he's a slanderer and a liar.)

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Fillipo Lippi


In a way she is right

say did anyone ever see this:

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/103/13.0.html


After receiving criticism for the financial perks charismatic televangelist and bestselling author Joyce Meyer obtains from her $95 million-a-year television ministry, Meyer has announced plans to take a reduced salary in 2004 and personally use more of the income derived from her outside book sales.

"The Joyce Meyer Ministries Board of Directors elected to make this change so partners and supporters know that the majority of their gifts to the ministry are going directly to our outreach and programs to help hurting people," ministry spokesman Mark Sutherland told Christianity Today.

Until January 2004, Meyer received a salary from her organization and donated all her book royalties back to Joyce Meyer Ministries. She now will retain royalties on books sold outside the ministry through retail outlets such as Wal-Mart, amazon.com, and Christian bookstores, while continuing to donate to her ministry royalties from books sold through her conferences, catalogs, website, and television program.

Meyer's book royalties in the past several years have more than doubled what she and her husband, Dave, earned in salary. The popular author and speaker has written more than 50 books, including the bestseller Battlefield of the Mind. Sutherland said the majority of Meyer's book royalties come from inside ministry sales.

Meyer's decision to take a reduced salary could strengthen her position with the federal government if it chooses to respond to a Christian financial watchdog group's request that the Internal Revenue Service investigate Meyer's ministry. Wall Watchers, a Christian non-profit group that monitors the finances of large Christian organizations, is asking the IRS to investigate Meyer's successful television ministry, Life in the Word. Wall Watchers founder Rusty Leonard believes Meyer may have been compensating herself at such a high level that her ministry is violating its status as a private, tax-exempt organization. "There seems to be evidence of private inurement here," Leonard said.

Federal law prohibits religious groups such as Meyer's from giving excessively to anyone who heads a ministry. Wall Watchers is asking the IRS to investigate several other charismatic televangelists as well.

While Meyer's previous salary is unknown, a recent series of investigative articles in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch revealed Meyer's ministry purchased for Joyce and Dave a $2 million home, a $10 million private jet, and houses worth another $2 million for the couple's children, who also work for the ministry. The articles also outlined Meyer's recent personal purchases, including a $500,000 vacation home. Meyer, 60, lives in Fenton, Missouri, near St. Louis.

Leonard also is concerned about the configuration of Meyer's board of directors, which includes Meyer's children and close friends. "Before we're going to encourage anyone to donate money to Joyce Meyer Ministries, I would call on Joyce to have an independent board that excludes members who are paid by the ministry, along with an independent committee that decides her compensation," Leonard says.

Meyer says her attorney—not her board—determines her and Dave's salary range. The board then decides within that range what to pay the Meyers. "We do not spend irresponsibly and are prudent in the way we manage our ministry, returning 85 percent of all unrestricted donations back to help hurting people around the world," Meyer told Christianity Today. "We do not agree that the ministry is in violation of any law. If the IRS were to investigate, we would fully cooperate."

Meyer says her ministry donates funds to 119 different outreach programs worldwide each month. Her ministry receives millions of dollars yearly from donors around the world. Her television and radio programs can be seen and heard across the United States, as well as in parts of South America, Europe, Africa, India, and Asia.

Leonard believes Meyer's decision to take a reduced salary is a cautionary step. "She's drastically reducing the amount of money coming into her pocket from the ministry and increasing the amount she's getting from outside the ministry. That positions her better for an IRS investigation," he said.

Joyce Meyer Ministries spokesman Sutherland said, however, that the board began considering the decision to change Meyer's salary long before Wall Watchers called for the IRS to investigate. "There's never been any concern with the IRS finding anything other than a ministry run with integrity," he said.

Concerns regarding Meyer's financial situation have impacted at least one of the televangelist's partnerships with a Christian television network in the Midwest.

Larry Rice, director of New Life Evangelistic Center Incorporated, which operates Christian television and radio stations throughout parts of Missouri, Illinois, Arkansas, and Oklahoma, said the debate over Meyer's financial situation and the makeup of her board of directors has made him uncomfortable airing her television and radio programs on his channels.

Rice sent Meyer a letter last December stating he did not plan to renew her contract for the Sunday evening slot she'd previously purchased with his network for her Life in the Word program. He also told Meyer he was considering canceling her weekday slots as well. Meyer responded by canceling the contract for her weekday program herself. "We are constantly evaluating our media options in each of our markets and it is not uncommon to make changes following these assessments," Meyer said of her decision to cancel the contract.


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Makes you wonder if maybe not everyone is keeping quiet about her and her ilks lies and fraud

[billiefan2000]

In this land of religious liberty, you have the responsibility to learn whether what it is you're being taught is truth, or a pack of lies. In order to do this, you have a moral, legal, spiritual obligation to check it out based upon objective fact, and assay whether you're being lied to or not.


my response:

I agree and I think it is hypocritical for Christian Leaders to pushing their morals down people's throats when the Christian Community has frauds like Hinn and Meyers get away with anything without criticism

but if someone says Islam is Peaceful in the Christian Community

(the Pat Robertson and Paul Crouch types scream and call those Christian all sorts of names) but yet will let folks like Hinn get away with lying to Christians


(I by the way dont believe Islam is peaceful religion,cause after all 99.9 percent of Terrorist Worldwide belong to Islamic faith)


ROADTOAD you made a good point:

If you can't seem to guess that all Benny Hinn wants is your money, then I guess you deserve to lose it. If you choose to be an idiot, you should pay an idiot's penalty.


I agree and but I think the Christian Leaders who scream about others in other faiths being wrong need to start speaking up about the Fred Phelps and Benny Hinn's posing as Christian Preachers

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
In this land of religious liberty, you have the responsibility to learn whether what it is you're being taught is truth, or a pack of lies. In order to do this, you have a moral, legal, spiritual obligation to check it out based upon objective fact, and assay whether you're being lied to or not.


my response:

I agree and I think it is hypocritical for Christian Leaders to pushing their morals down people's throats when the Christian Community has frauds like Hinn and Meyers get away with anything without criticism

but if someone says Islam is Peaceful in the Christian Community

(the Pat Robertson and Paul Crouch types scream and call those Christian all sorts of names) but yet will let folks like Hinn get away with lying to Christians


(I by the way dont believe Islam is peaceful religion,cause after all 99.9 percent of Terrorist Worldwide belong to Islamic faith)


ROADTOAD you made a good point:

If you can't seem to guess that all Benny Hinn wants is your money, then I guess you deserve to lose it. If you choose to be an idiot, you should pay an idiot's penalty.


I agree and but I think the Christian Leaders who scream about others in other faiths being wrong need to start speaking up about the Fred Phelps and Benny Hinn's posing as Christian Preachers

:clap:

Yes, I think this may be forward motion...

[billiefan2000]

thanks

[MLynn]

I agree with alot of what you say. The biggest hinderance to Christianity is corrupt "christian" organizations who bilk $$$ from simple, well-meaning people. Jesus would come down in a flame of Glory and slap me if I ever gave 1cent to a televangelist. Where are the real saints? Do none exist?

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
The Feds need to start breaking up the con-artists on TBN starting with Meyer and Hinn and Joel Osteen and Junaita Bynum to name a few of the phonies on TBN.

As a Christian I am ashamed of TBN and I am even more disgusted that many in the Christian Community turn a blind eye to the corruption that is happening in the Christian Community.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/joycemeyer.nsf/0/18C14871599F61AC86256DDD0081B42B?OpenDocument

Hi,

I must have missed this thread due to being caught up in another one.

It's always good to hear from a Christian who is wise to the manipulations and scams that occur on TBN. Some refuse to see it. Some flat out don't have a clue. They send in money to TBN in order to help do good things for the world etc., but really their money is keeping these TV preachers living in the lap of luxury.

When I was a Christian, I got into a debate online because I was trying to warn off other Christians from Benny hinn. I wanted them to hear and see the online recordings...both audio and video....of him growling and using a weird deep voice saying something to the effects of how anyone who comes after him to criticize etc., would have terrible things happen to them and their children. It was sick and sort of scary. He claimed it was the "Holy Spirit" speaking through him and that he had no memory of what he said. I knew that went against scripture. The holy spirit was never said to take over a person....possessing them. All "Gifts of the spirit" were said to be in our control according the bible.

Anyhow, you would think I had told the Christians on the forum that God was a big fat monkey the way they came after me. They attacked me for "judging" a man who had a special and strong "annointing" from the "Holy spirit". My Christian study of scripture showed me that all Christians were annointed equally. They warned me that something bad might happen to me if I kept slandering Hinn and other TV preachers. There was only one other person who agreed with my viewpoint, but they got her to back down and apologize about it.

I had friends in real life who liked hinn, and other TV preachers too. Joyce Meyer is especially big around here...in the bible belt. Jesse Duplantis is very big around here. I don't know if he's corrupt, but he sure does get on my nerves if I hear him talk/preach for even a few seconds. He is way overly dramatic.

Heck, I've even seen Peter Poppoff show up back on TV late at night. I find that astounding after Randi exposed him........but I guess enough time has gone by that he can pop back up and dupe more innocents who never saw or heard about Randi's exposure.

It's all too sad and sickening!:(

[Ruby]

Originally posted by billiefan2000

What is amazing is the fact that Mrs. Meyer has absolutely no legitimate undergraduate or post graduate degree to merit such an appellation.
She has no earned college degree at all.
Please keep in mind that whenever you see the title "Dr." in front of a charismatic teacher's name, especially if they are on television you can "bet" nine times out of ten that the degree is bogus.
Almost all charismatic ministers openly denigrate serious biblical study on the seminary level.

This was my experience too......as I was a Charismatic Christian many years. Charimania asks you to leave your brains at the door when you enter it's church. My poor husband, an engineer, is highly intellectual, when he joined a Charismatic church, they kept telling him over and over that he needed to stop using his brain.......stop trying to be intellectual about everything, and just follow his "feelings". For some time, he felt guilty about his intelligence. He felt it was a hindrance.....since that was what everyone was telling him.

Thankfully, we both got away from Charismania...........but not before it did a number on us..........and then we left Christianity altogether......but that's another story.

Anyhow, Charismatics put emphasis on "signs and wonders" and "emotions". They do have classes and bible studies, and some (perhaps a small percentage) Charismatics are certainly intelligent, but they don't push for bible college as much as they should, and some Charismatic churches don't push for it at all. Charismatic leaders don't always want Charismatic Christians going to non-Charismatic bible colleges anyway........since it would be a bad influence. Although, I know that some do go....even if it's frowned on.

Charismatics believe they have the full bible truth, and other denominations are "missing out on all God has for them". I heard that said so much, heck, I said that so much myself!! They think other denominations are too busy studying the bible to see the truth...they are not being "led by the spirit" to better understand scripture.


Yet charismatic leaders, many of whom, like Joyce, who have no college degree at all have no moral problem calling themselves by a title they have not earned.
This should not surprise us because they call themselves apostles, prophets, and bishops - these titles are just as hollow and fraudulent as their doctorate titles.

Oh yes, Charismatics love to have titles.............even those in the congregation. Everybody wants to know what their "gift" is so they can call themselves something. I had one friend who decided she was Prophetess, even though every single "prophetic word" she came out with for someone proved false...either by the person shaking their heads or saying no...or flat out getting upset with her. This woman left a trail of hurt and confused people......and yet she remained convinced she was a "prophet" of God.. She based this on her own private communion with God and what he had supposedly told her.

Ok, so I'm running on and on here! Yackity yack!!!:cs:

It's just that I understand so well what you are saying since I lived it for years. It calls up so many bad memories....and yet, I don't feel near as angry now as I used to....I guess that's a good sign.:)