Iran opposition candidate condemns Ahmedinajad's Holocaust denial

[Thunder]

http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1085866.html

He says it has served Israel's interests..which it did.

And it rallied the world around Israel and against Iran...which it did.

I like this guy already.

[Marc39]

No expression of outrage at the threat of genocide against Jews, merely, criticism of those threats as not being self-serving to Iran. All the while, Iran embraces the president of Sudan, an indicted war criminal with an arrest warrant out for him for actual genocide. I see a trend with Iran.

[doobiedoright]

I feel the need to tell him something..........dont lose your head!

[Darth Rotor]

This thread needs to Iranian posters.

We have any?

[Thunder]

This thread needs to Iranian posters.

We have any?

unfortunately no.

i am going to assume JREF is very ethnically unbalanced.

[Skeptic]

The motivation for his criticism is not that holocaut denial is wrong per se, but that Ahmadenijad is a bonehead. It does not imply he thinks holocaust denial is false, only that Ahmadenijad made a fool of himself using it as he did.

That said, it also does not imply he thinks holocaust denail is right, either. It might be that he thinks it is wrong but considers cool criticism of the "stop, you're embarrassing us" sort more efficient than the "how DARE you say THAT!" moral outrage.

Whatever the motivation, it is hardly likely to expect Iranian election candidates to run on the "stop insulting the Jews" platform. So anybody who thinks Ahmadenijad is an embarrasment to Iran is a step up, even if only for selfish reasons.

[Doctor Evil]

Interestingly, according to the article the criticism of Ahmadinejad seems to be because his remarks are not politically savvy. There are no citations of Iranian politicians which say that his Holocaust denial is factually wrong.

Is it too much to expect?

[Thunder]

Whatever the motivation, it is hardly likely to expect Iranian election candidates to run on the "stop insulting the Jews" platform. So anybody who thinks Ahmadenijad is an embarrasment to Iran is a step up, even if only for selfish reasons.

Baby steps to democracy.

:)

[Marc39]

Baby steps to democracy.

:)

How does Iran's financial and military isupport of Hamas, which recently instituted crucifixion as a means of capital punishment and enacted legislation resulting in death to any Palestinian selling land to a Jew translate into "baby steps to democracy"?

[egslim]

How does Iran's financial and military isupport of Hamas, which recently instituted crucifixion as a means of capital punishment and enacted legislation resulting in death to any Palestinian selling land to a Jew translate into "baby steps to democracy"?
Being a democracy simply means you have elections, and that the guy who was previously elected actually risks to be voted out.

What kind of foreign policy the elected government deems expedient to implement is entirely irrelevant to whether the country is a democracy.

Your second mistake is to assume that true democracy in Iran would somehow allign said country better with the US and/or Israel.

In general it's better to have a country run by an aristocracy who hates your guts, but lacks the populist impulsiveness to do something risky. Instead of a democratically elected government that hates your guts at least as much, but has a more populist perspective.

[bjornart]

How does Iran's financial and military isupport of Hamas, which recently instituted crucifixion as a means of capital punishment and enacted legislation resulting in death to any Palestinian selling land to a Jew translate into "baby steps to democracy"?

Is Iran's financial and military support of Hamas a recent thing that someone in this thread has pointed out as a baby step to democracy?

[Darth Rotor]

Being a democracy simply means you have elections, and that the guy who was previously elected actually risks to be voted out.

What kind of foreign policy the elected government deems expedient to implement is entirely irrelevant to whether the country is a democracy.

Your second mistake is to assume that true democracy in Iran would somehow allign said country better with the US and/or Israel.
Well said.
In general it's better to have a country run by an aristocracy who hates your guts, but lacks the populist impulsiveness to do something risky. Instead of a democratically elected government that hates your guts at least as much, but has a more populist perspective.
Can you give an example of that?

DR

[JihadJane]

Can you give an example of that?



The United States of America.

[Alt+F4]

The United States of America.

We kick puppies here too. You left that part out.

[Marc39]

Being a democracy simply means you have elections, and that the guy who was previously elected actually risks to be voted out.

Very narrow definition of a democratic state. More broadly, democratic states extend equal rights to power to its citizens, and, most importantly, human and civil rights. No such system exists in Iran, nor in the majority of Arab and Muslim states.

What kind of foreign policy the elected government deems expedient to implement is entirely irrelevant to whether the country is a democracy.

Domestic policy, however, bears directly on whether a state is democratic.

Your second mistake is to assume that true democracy in Iran would somehow allign said country better with the US and/or Israel.

Your mistake is assuming it would not.

In general it's better to have a country run by an aristocracy who hates your guts, but lacks the populist impulsiveness to do something risky. Instead of a democratically elected government that hates your guts at least as much, but has a more populist perspective.

Pure nonsense.

[DC]

Very narrow definition of a democratic state. More broadly, democratic states extend equal rights to power to its citizens, and, most importantly, human and civil rights. No such system exists in Iran, nor in the majority of Arab and Muslim states.



Domestic policy, however, bears directly on whether a state is democratic.



Your mistake is assuming it would not.



Pure nonsense.

:rolleyes: