WTF? Shiria law in Canada?

[Eos of the Eons]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35850


Canada, however, is preparing for its 1 million-strong Muslim minority to be under the authority of a Sharia system enforced by the Canadian court system, according to the Canadian Law Times.

So, stonings of women...in Canada. No fairness for Muslim women in Canada.


This is truly troubling.

[arcticpenguin]

That sounds like a Really Bad Idea.

[TruthSeeker]

I don't believe this story.

I follow the news pretty closely and I'm sure this would be a hotly debated issue (I'm Canadian). I did a quick search of the site of our national paper (www.globeandmail.com) and couldn't find anything about this.

No other ethnic or religious group has its own court in Canada. The Aboriginals have been fighting for this for decades and it may slowly come to pass, nonetheless, they would still not be able to pass sentences that would be so out of line with Canadian law.

Any Canadians here who have heard about this?
It is terribly upsetting to imagine it might be true.

[Badger]

The law in Quebec is different from that in the rest of the country.

Aboriginals have their own jurisdiction.

So what if Muslims get their piece of the pie too?

[dripping sarcasm] Gawd forbid that we should offend anyone by having them conform to the laws of the our country. /[end dripping sarcasm]

[TruthSeeker]

Originally posted by Badger
The law in Quebec is different from that in the rest of the country.

Aboriginals have their own jurisdiction.




There are historical reasons for this.


Have you heard about this story? Is it true?

[geni]

An article on it can also be found at

http://www.islam-online.net/English/News/2003-11/29/article03.shtml

But google news does not turn up anything else.

[TruthSeeker]

From Geni's link:

Jamal Badawi, the spiritual leader of the Islamic Association of the Maritime provinces, said Muslims in the U.S. and Britain already have similar juristic councils that render decisions which are routinely upheld by the courts.

Anyone know more about this?


They are not actually working with the judicial system. They are hoping to influence their decisions but it seems a far way off to me.

I cannot imagine a Canadian court upholding a decision by this committee to stone a woman.

[Badger]

No, Truthseeker, I haven't heard about this story.

I know there are historical reasons for the two cases I mentioned. But I believe these two examples indicate a precedent that will be hard to argue against.

Do you remember the turban issue, with respect to being a member of the RCMP?

For those unfamiliar with it, basically, a Sikh wished to become a member of the RCMP, yet did not wish to follow the traditions of grooming and standard headgear based on the tenets of his religion. The outcome was that turbans, etc. can now be standard issue headgear, and ponytails are allowed (for aboriginals) based on religious precepts.

(I fear I may sound racist in the above so offer that I thought the whole issue was silly because first who cares what a cop has on their head or how long their hair is if they can do the job, and second the people making an issue FOR breaking tradition, in my opinion, were displaying their lack of respect for the organization)

So, to me, it seems plausable that it could eventually come to fruition.

But only in Canada!;)

[TruthSeeker]

I don't think it'll happen and if it does, it'll be restricted to very small issues where the penalties do not conflict with our laws and our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


I do remember the turban issue. Now, if the Sikh applicant had wanted to enforce a different set of laws, things may have worked out differently.

[Ed]

I think that in the US it would violate the equal protection clause so is a non-starter.

[KelvinG]

This is the first I've ever heard of this story. I'm very skeptical about it's validity.
I would expect if it were true there would be a lot more media coverage of it up here. The fact that it seems to only be the WorldNetDaily news website (whatever the hell that is) makes me suspicious.

But, if I see any stonings taking place in my hood, I'll be the first to file a report on this forum.

[mummymonkey]

The Canadian Law Times (http://www.lawtimesnews.com/Main5.html) seemd to be the source.
Looks like it would cover civil disputes only. More a kind of binding arbitration between those who agree to it. The Sharia court's decision would then be rubber stamped by a Canadian court to make it truly binding in law.
That's how I read it.

[TillEulenspiegel]

Originally posted by TruthSeeker



There are historical reasons for this.


Ya it's cuz the key-beckys think thier phrench.

In all seriousness I live in Florida and the Seminoles (indians) have soverign jurisdiction over and above the state, even in cases of murder .

http://www.citizensalliance.org/links/pages/news/National%20News/Florida.htm

The local,state and fed cops don't get it. The land is a soverign state like Canada or Mexico, where they wouldn't dream of barging in a arresting someone.

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Badger
The law in Quebec is different from that in the rest of the country.

Aboriginals have their own jurisdiction.

So what if Muslims get their piece of the pie too?

[dripping sarcasm] Gawd forbid that we should offend anyone by having them conform to the laws of the our country. /[end dripping sarcasm]

Some Aborginies get some recognition of Customary laws. It basically doesn't amount to a hill of beans, even in exclusively Aboriginal communities. Some of them are having a hard time banning alcohol, despite the problems they create within those communities, due to Australian law.

More information here (http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/special/rsjproject/rsjlibrary/alrc/custlaw_summary/)

But, suffice to say, the statement 'Aboriginals have their own jurisdiction' is misleading and ignorant.

[Tesserat]

In BC, there's been a few cases where a tribal council has recommended a punishment for some crimes. It's always been in cases of property damage, and the punishments are some sort of community service. Since that's pretty close to what the courst would give, I don't think it's significant.

And as long as the crime is within that community, I don't see a problem. If, however, someone under tribal jurisdiction commits a crime against somebody not under tribal jurisdiction, then I think the matter should be handled by the canadian courts.

And I think that the article is ridiculous when it suggests that the canadian courts might some day sentence a person to be stoned to death. The Courts won't uphold religous laws.

[Yahweh]

Scenario: A woman in a Muslim sect of Canada is caught in adultery.

To get out this "stoned until all life leaves the body" mess, can the woman say "No, I'm not a Muslim" (pending she isnt the type to let her faith get in the way of all critical thinking...)?

[Yahweh]

Originally posted by Eos of the Eons
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35850

So, stonings of women...in Canada. No fairness for Muslim women in Canada.


This is truly troubling.
And here I was thinking America Jr. was cool and all legalizing marijuana, then make a stupid move like this...

[Voob]

I was going to say "It's obviously a joke!"

but after a second reading I've downgraded to a simple "I don't believe it."

[Cleon]

I thought this would be obvious, BUT...

Don't believe anything you read on WorldNetDaily. Even when they're telling the truth, they're leaving a considerable chunk of the facts out.

There won't be any stonings or anything like that. This council will simply be empowered to resolve inter-Muslim disputes with the parties' approval. If an imam and his mosque are having a dispute are having a dispute over a paycheck, rather than go to the courts they can take it to the sharia council (if both the imam and the mosque agree to it) for a binding decision. It's a way to clear some cases out of the courts--you're not going to see people's hands being cut off for stealing or anything like that.

[Tony]

This is what you get when you have rampant "tolerance" and PCism. I hope, for the sake of my Canadian brethren, that this proves to be false.

[Eos of the Eons]

I don't think it'll happen and if it does, it'll be restricted to very small issues where the penalties do not conflict with our laws and our Charter of Rights and Freedoms.


I'm sure hoping most of it is bunk. I heard the news from someone who said she was muslim, and I found it really hard to believe that anything like that would happen in Canada. She was complaining that this would lead to simple divorces where a man can divorce a woman by just saying it x amount of times. Also, that a muslim woman claiming rape would have to have 4 male witnesses backing her up in able to charge the rapist.

All I can say is, this better not be anything but addressesing small issues, and will not conflict with Canadian laws. Allowing muslim laws spread like a disease into our country would have me freaking right out.

It's bad enough that an order to kill someone from within our country can be called in to another without repercussions.

A couple had their daughter killed this way, and there was proof with telephone bills and witnesses that the BC couple called into another country to get their wayward daughter killed while she was there in the home country. The Canadian police said they could do nothing, even with all the proof.

All I can say is that I'm glad I don't have parents that are trying to impose laws on me from a Country that they escaped from. these narrow minded people came to our country, and they need to know that things are and always will be different here. If they don't like, they can go back to where they came from. To hell with the "mosaic" ideals.

[Tesserat]

All this is is binding arbitration. It cannot be applied to any criminal offense, ony civil. So murder, stoning, ect is not possible.
And since this is arbitration, both parties must agree beforehand to comply with the arbitration. In other words, a muslim can refuse arbitration, and take it to court if they wish. And it doesn't apply to non muslims.

The only thing weird about it, is that they apply religous law (which I hate). I'd like to see this challenged under equal rights laws, to prevent women from suffering under this system. Some will not feel that they can realistically refuse arbitration and remain part of their community.


Yaweh - America Jr? How condisendingly cute. Maybe to deserve the title we should go and invade Estonia. I hear they have WMD.

Although if you believe this guy, we might be following america's lead once again.

From Geni's link:
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Jamal Badawi, the spiritual leader of the Islamic Association of the Maritime provinces, said Muslims in the U.S. and Britain already have similar juristic councils that render decisions which are routinely upheld by the courts.



And it's not the government of Canada deciding to apply Sharia, it's the muslim community taking advantage of the binding arbitration laws. So you can think we're cool again. And just so you don't get in trouble, we haven't legalized marijuana yet. And with Martin coming in, it may take awhile.