Tippit and Oswald

[roundhead]

I have always been curious why Tippit pulled over to the curb and "accosted" Oswald.

Oswald was a good two miles from the crime scene, on foot,and the description put out by the police didnt mention shoes , clothing or anything else specific.

In fact the police said he was around 30(he wasnt) weighed 165(he was more like 145-150, and wasnt as tall as the police broadcast said. But yet he was put together from behind walking down the street.

I wonder how many more people fitting that "description" were stopped that day near the SBP building or anywhere else in Dallas as a possible suspect??

Answer, not a one....

[boloboffin]

Because Oswald fit the general description, and on seeing Tippit, turned around quickly and started walking the other direction to avoid him. Reason enough to pull over and talk to him.

You really don't have any information about how many people were stopped in Dallas that day.

[JimBenArm]

Because Oswald fit the general description, and on seeing Tippit, turned around quickly and started walking the other direction to avoid him. Reason enough to pull over and talk to him.

You really don't have any information about how many people were stopped in Dallas that day.
No, you don't understand. Oswald is the only one mentioned that he read about, so that means he was the only one! Sheesh, use your logic!

[roundhead]

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/sauvage/WC_Case/WC_case_against_Oswald.html




"As it turned out, the description broadcast by the police radio did not lead to any other arrest, not even in the immediate neighborhood of the Texas School Book Depository".



Does somebody have proof this statement isnt true, or that in fact Oswald ran when the police car was coming up the street BEHIND him??

[IMST]

I recently fit a description and was questioned on suspicion of car theft. I had the identical make, trim and color of a stolen car and my tabs were expired. The car I was driving was mine so I was not arrested.

roundhead, you seem to be implying that anyone that caught the interest of the police based on the description would have been arrested. Why is that?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/sauvage/WC_Case/WC_case_against_Oswald.html

"As it turned out, the description broadcast by the police radio did not lead to any other arrest, not even in the immediate neighborhood of the Texas School Book Depository".

Does somebody have proof this statement isnt true, or that in fact Oswald ran when the police car was coming up the street BEHIND him??

Boloboffin stated "you don't know how many other people were stopped that day".

You appear to have confused "stopped" with "arrested".

[Mr.D]

You appear to have confused "stopped" with "arrested".

Spoilsport - Letting something trivial like a fact get in the way of roundhead's JFK conspiracy theory.

:rolleyes:

[theprestige]

In fact the police said he was around 30(he wasnt) weighed 165(he was more like 145-150, and wasnt as tall as the police broadcast said. But yet he was put together from behind walking down the street.
So let me get this straight:

A guy who is not "around 30", but looks like he's "around 30"; who does not weigh close to 165 lbs, but looks like he weighs close to 165 lbs; and is not particularly tall, but looks particularly tall... is described as looking the way he looks, instead of the way he really is?

And then later, somebody who also looks like that is stopped because he looks like that?

Yeah, shame on the Dallas PD Science Officer for not whipping out a Tricorder and getting an accurate readout of the suspect! And shame on Officer Tippit for not updating his PoliceTron 5000 Holoscanner with the latest magneto-spools from Headquarters, before stopping anybody!

[roundhead]

So let me get this straight:

A guy who is not "around 30", but looks like he's "around 30"; who does not weigh close to 165 lbs, but looks like he weighs close to 165 lbs; and is not particularly tall, but looks particularly tall... is described as looking the way he looks, instead of the way he really is?

And then later, somebody who also looks like that is stopped because he looks like that?

Yeah, shame on the Dallas PD Science Officer for not whipping out a Tricorder and getting an accurate readout of the suspect! And shame on Officer Tippit for not updating his PoliceTron 5000 Holoscanner with the latest magneto-spools from Headquarters, before stopping anybody!



My point is, Oswald "supposedly" got stopped miles away from the shooing while on foot, with at the very best a description that could fit thousands of people,(from behind) by a guy who was way outside his assigned territory(beat) and as far as can be confirmed, no one else in the city was stopped similarly, closer to the shooting.

that about right??

[dtugg]

Why do you think that Oswald shot Tippit? Or do you think that's all lies too?

[Mr.D]

My point is, Oswald "supposedly" got stopped miles away from the shooing while on foot, with at the very best a description that could fit thousands of people,(from behind) by a guy who was way outside his assigned territory(beat) and as far as can be confirmed, no one else in the city was stopped similarly, closer to the shooting.


You put "supposedly" in an ambiguous place; What do you doubt?

Do you doubt Oswald was stopped?
Do you doubt Oswald could fit the description loosely?
Do you doubt Tippit was there?

[roundhead]

Why do you think that Oswald shot Tippit? Or do you think that's all lies too?


No, i dont think he did. There isnt ANY evidence that would hold up for five minutes in a court that he even owned a 38, and its highly doubtful he could even be proven to own the rifle in a court of law.Cops checked his room one day, and couldnt find the holster in his tiny room(nor did his landlady ever see it)but the next day they come back and find it..lol

Its been lied what his alias paid for the rifle, a local lied and said he put a scope on it for him(when it already had one), i could go on and on. No oil in or on the bag that held the rifle(which we were told was highly oiled and in pieces), this sham is so full of lies its hard to tell where to start.


I find it curious the 20 onlookers in the theatre were never asked on the record how his arrest went down, as if none of them with the lights turned on saw anything???Not one question was asked of any of these onlookers that i am aware of to this day.

And then him being identified by a dolt as being in the window at the SBD STANDING UP WHILE SHOOTING, from street level across the street looking into a 1/2 closed window with sun in it.


I have to give the Government credit. They knew Oswald in a court of law would get his murder rap thrown out by a decent lawyer in an hour. Its a pity we didnt get to see that egg get wiped off of their faces.

[TK0001]

No, i dont think he did. There isnt ANY evidence that would hold up for five minutes in a court that he even owned a 38, and its highly doubtful he could even be proven to own the rifle in a court of law.

Its been lied what his alias paid for the rifle, a local lied and said he put a scope on it for him(when it already had one), i could go on and on. No oil in or on the bag that held the rifle(which we were told was highly oiled and in pieces), this sham is so full of lies its hard to tell where to start.

Roundhead, you already have a JFK thread going in which people have asked you direct questions:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=139658&page=5

[kookbreaker]

No, i dont think he did. There isnt ANY evidence that would hold up for five minutes in a court that he even owned a 38,


Except for his handwriting on the mail receipt, the photos, and his wife testifying that he had it, and being caught with it on his person after he tried to shoot another cop with it.


and its highly doubtful he could even be proven to own the rifle in a court of law.


Except for his handwriting on the mail receipt, the photos, and his wife testifying that he had it.


Its been lied what his alias paid for the rifle,


Why is it a lie?


a local lied and said he put a scope on it for him(when it already had one),


I'm not familiar with this one, but it seems to make almost no difference.


i could go on and on. No oil in or on the bag that held the rifle(which we were told was highly oiled and in pieces),


The firing pin and spring were 'well oiled'. "well oiled" does not mean dripping oil.


this sham is so full of lies its hard to tell where to start.

By not telling lies.

[Hans]

I have a rifle of the same type that Oswald had. It been on wall a while since I last cleaned it but unless you pull back the bolt your not going to get a lot of oil coming out especially if you leave a clip in.

Did Oswald's weapon have the gun metal finish?

[roundhead]

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/sauvage/The_Oswald_Affair/Oswald_Affair.html


For that matter, how can we be sure about anything in this incredible investigation, when one of the strangest episodes in the story still remains to be cleared up? This episode involves an Irving gunsmith, Mr. Dial D. Ryder, who declared on November 28 that about a month earlier he had mounted a telescopic sight on a rifle for a customer named Oswald. Mr. Ryder remembered neither the man nor the weapon, but he had found a repair ticket—$4.50 for drilling and $1.50 for boresighting—with the name Oswald on it. The story made headlines, but soon someone remembered that the Italian rifle Oswald had received from a Chicago mail-order firm was supposed to have had a telescopic sight already mounted on it, and the Dallas officials who had given the big news to the reporters told them a few hours later to forget about it—it was just a mistake. Indeed it was a mistake, for once again the brilliant Dallas investigators had inadvertently stirred up inconvenient problems.
From the very beginning there had been some question about the rifle with the telescopic sight because of the price Oswald was said to have paid for it. Every newspaper in the world had already dozens of times mentioned the $12.78 second-hand rifle used to kill John F. Kennedy, when a reproduction in the New York Times of the Klein’s Sporting Goods ad showed that $12.78 was the price of the “6.5 Italian Carbine” without telescopic sight (item No. C20-1196). The same rifle “with brand-new 4 Xscope” was listed as costing $19.95 (item No. C-20-750). Besides, Oswald would also have had to buy item No. E20-751 (“6.5mm. Italian military ammo, 108 rds”) which, together with a free 6-shot clip, amounted to another $7.50. Captain Fritz, in answer to questions, said that the announcement of the price as $12.78 had been an error, and that Oswald had received the gun “fully equipped, you bet.” Mr. Milton P. Klein, President of Klein’s Sporting Goods in Chicago, confirmed that the rifle sent to Oswald’s P.O. Box in Dallas under the name of A. Hidell was the $19.95 item with telescopic sight. Mr. Klein did not mention the ammo. Neither did captain Fritz, and it may be noted here, as another curious detail of the case, that while the search conducted in Irving as well as in the North Beckley Avenue rooming house in Dallas produced a great number of letters, photographs, and other documents, not a single 6.5mm. bullet was ever announced as having turned up.

snip...


Yet no witnesses have been brought forward to testify that Oswald was carrying a gun when he was arrested. What is even more disturbing, no witnesses have come forward on their own to testify to the gun. For it is hard to imagine that some, at least, of the twenty moviegoers who had just had the adventure of their lives would not rush forward to tell the story of how Lee Harvey Oswald tried to shoot his way out of the theater. It is, however, possible to imagine that some of these twenty residents of the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, having seen no revolver in the hands of Oswald, might hesitate to stick their necks out by contradicting the police.


snip


What mass of evidence? The police claimed they had three eyewitnesses to the shooting. Newsmen got hold of one of them, a Mrs. Markham, who described the man she saw shooting Tippit as “about 30, with bushy hair and a white coat.” Oswald, as we know, was not yet 24, had rather thin hair, and was wearing a tan zipper jacket. The police also named a Mrs. Davis, who said that she saw a man ejecting some shells from a gun while crossing her yard a short distance away from the murder, but she wasn’t able to describe him. In his Sunday night press conference, District Attorney Wade had said: “Witnesses saw him [Oswald] eject the shells from a revolver and place—reload—the gun.” Whoever told the police that he or she saw Oswald reload did them something of a disservice, for this testimony contradicts Captain Fritz, who, having thought at first that Officer Tippit had been killed by two bullets, took care to emphasize to newsmen on Friday afternoon that there had been precisely two empty chambers in the .38 taken from Oswald at the Texas Theater

[Sword_Of_Truth]

My point is, Oswald "supposedly" got stopped miles away from the shooing while on foot, with at the very best a description that could fit thousands of people,(from behind) by a guy who was way outside his assigned territory(beat) and as far as can be confirmed, no one else in the city was stopped similarly, closer to the shooting.

that about right??

How do you know this?

[kookbreaker]

http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/sauvage/The_Oswald_Affair/Oswald_Affair.html


For that matter, how can we be sure about anything in this incredible investigation, when one of the strangest episodes in the story still remains to be cleared up? This episode involves an Irving gunsmith, Mr. Dial D. Ryder, who declared on November 28 that about a month earlier he had mounted a telescopic sight on a rifle for a customer named Oswald. Mr. Ryder remembered neither the man nor the weapon, but he had found a repair ticket—$4.50 for drilling and $1.50 for boresighting—with the name Oswald on it. The story made headlines, but soon someone remembered that the Italian rifle Oswald had received from a Chicago mail-order firm was supposed to have had a telescopic sight already mounted on it, and the Dallas officials who had given the big news to the reporters told them a few hours later to forget about it—it was just a mistake. Indeed it was a mistake, for once again the brilliant Dallas investigators had inadvertently stirred up inconvenient problems.


This is neither here nor there. It was a false lead. They happen.


From the very beginning there had been some question about the rifle with the telescopic sight because of the price Oswald was said to have paid for it. Every newspaper in the world had already dozens of times mentioned the $12.78 second-hand rifle used to kill John F. Kennedy, when a reproduction in the New York Times of the Klein’s Sporting Goods ad showed that $12.78 was the price of the “6.5 Italian Carbine” without telescopic sight (item No. C20-1196). The same rifle “with brand-new 4 Xscope” was listed as costing $19.95 (item No. C-20-750). Besides, Oswald would also have had to buy item No. E20-751 (“6.5mm. Italian military ammo, 108 rds”) which, together with a free 6-shot clip, amounted to another $7.50. Captain Fritz, in answer to questions, said that the announcement of the price as $12.78 had been an error, and that Oswald had received the gun “fully equipped, you bet.” Mr. Milton P. Klein, President of Klein’s Sporting Goods in Chicago, confirmed that the rifle sent to Oswald’s P.O. Box in Dallas under the name of A. Hidell was the $19.95 item with telescopic sight. Mr. Klein did not mention the ammo. Neither did captain Fritz, and it may be noted here, as another curious detail of the case, that while the search conducted in Irving as well as in the North Beckley Avenue rooming house in Dallas produced a great number of letters, photographs, and other documents, not a single 6.5mm. bullet was ever announced as having turned up.

snip...


This is all minutia since Oswald's wife testified to him having the photo and taking photographs of him with it.



Yet no witnesses have been brought forward to testify that Oswald was carrying a gun when he was arrested.


Did this bobo read the Warren Commission? Let me quote:


Mr. BREWER. McDonald was back up. He just knocked him down for a second and he was back up. And I jumped off the stage and was walking toward that, and I saw this gun come up and -- in Oswald's hand, a gun up in the air.

:rolleyes:

As for why there weren't more witnesses, people in theaters tend to spread out, and mostly stayed in their seats. A good number of them would have their view blocked by the numerous policemen.


What is even more disturbing, no witnesses have come forward on their own to testify to the gun. For it is hard to imagine that some, at least, of the twenty moviegoers who had just had the adventure of their lives would not rush forward to tell the story of how Lee Harvey Oswald tried to shoot his way out of the theater.


Well, its kinda hard to say he tried to 'shoot his way out the the theater' when his gun misfired.


It is, however, possible to imagine that some of these twenty residents of the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, having seen no revolver in the hands of Oswald, might hesitate to stick their necks out by contradicting the police.


Except for those that did.

[RoboTimbo]

No, i dont think he did. There isnt ANY evidence that would hold up for five minutes in a court that he even owned a 38, and its highly doubtful he could even be proven to own the rifle in a court of law.Cops checked his room one day, and couldnt find the holster in his tiny room(nor did his landlady ever see it)but the next day they come back and find it..lol

Marina says he owned the rifle."Marina Oswald testified that the rifle found on the sixth floor of the Depository Building was the "fateful rifle of Lee Oswald." Moreover, it was the only rifle owned by her husband following his return from the Soviet Union in June 1962.101 It had been purchased in March 1963, and taken to New Orleans where Marina Oswald saw it in their rented apartment during the summer of 1963."

He also had the revolver in his possession when arrested.When Oswald was arrested, he had in his possession a Smith & Wesson 38 Special caliber revolver, serial number V510210. (See Commission Exhibit No. 143, p. 170). Two of the arresting officers placed their initials on the weapon and a third inscribed his name. All three identified Exhibit No. 143 as the revolver taken from Oswald when he was arrested.

How did Tippit's murderer manage to get the murder weapon to Oswald? I won't even ask what you believe the motivation would be.

[RoboTimbo]

From the very beginning there had been some question about the rifle with the telescopic sight because of the price Oswald was said to have paid for it.

Which is easily cleared up by examining the order form for the rifle and scope for $19.95 and the money order that A Hidell had sent for $21.45, that's $19.95 for the rifle and scope and $1.50 for shipping.

Here are links:
Money order (http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0352a.htm)
Original order coupon (http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0331a.htm)

[SmartyPants]

Although everyone is doing a fine job of making roundhead's contentions look foolish, I think it's important to clear up one major piece of misinformation. Oswald did not get to Tippit "on foot." He managed to get on a bus, then take a cab to his house, which wasn't far from the Tippit murder. This is well documented.

Now, carry on with the silliness, roundhead. I'm sure it's about to get out of hand pretty soon.

[SmartyPants]

and as far as can be confirmed, no one else in the city was stopped similarly, closer to the shooting.

that about right??

Yeah, except for these guys:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/3tramps.jpg

Also, Tippit worked the Oak Cliff neighborhood (http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/car10.htm), so that's three things total I've just proved you wrong in the span of a few minutes. There are several more that other have had a crack at, and I don't think we've even scratched the surface of some other claims you've gotten wrong or will continue to get wrong.

Okay, I really do need to get to bed now.

[Beanbag]

I'll butt my head in (as a sometime long distance shooter) and speculate that maybe the scope that came with the $19.00 deal was crap? And that maybe Oswald decided he needed a better quality scope?

It's one of those things that can't be proved, yet seems quite possible.

Of course, no where does it seem mentioned that the scope came mounted on the rifle. It could be that you got the rifle, scope, and mount for the scope, but you had to drill and tap the receiver yourself -- NOT an uncommon situation for firearms purchasers. It's doubtful that a standard-issue military rifle from that era would come already set up for a scope mount. What I would like to know is, did the gunsmith SELL Oswald the parts, or did Oswald hand him the mount(s) and scope and ask him to install them?

Beanbag

[RoboTimbo]

Of course, no where does it seem mentioned that the scope came mounted on the rifle. It could be that you got the rifle, scope, and mount for the scope, but you had to drill and tap the receiver yourself -- NOT an uncommon situation for firearms purchasers. It's doubtful that a standard-issue military rifle from that era would come already set up for a scope mount. What I would like to know is, did the gunsmith SELL Oswald the parts, or did Oswald hand him the mount(s) and scope and ask him to install them?

Beanbag

The scope came installed and bore sighted in. Scroll down to page 119 here (http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html#purchase).

[Beanbag]

The scope came installed and bore sighted in. Scroll down to page 119 here (http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-4.html#purchase).
Okay, looks convincing.

Beanbag

[I Ratant]

Okay, looks convincing.

Beanbag
.
When I purchased my Mannlicher-Carcano I went looking for a scope, and found the -same model- as the one on Oswald's rifle at a gun store in Culver City.
I had the local gunstore mount it for me.
Off-center, so the clip could be inserted into the rifle.
It survived 10 shots before the crosshairs were knocked out of position.
It was intended for a .22 rifle, not anything like the 6.5 Carcano.
I actually never used it to shoot, the iron sights were more than good enough for the distances involved in Dealey Plaza.
RH with his lack of firearms experience seems to feel, along with the rest of the CTwinkies that a "well oiled" weapon will seep oil like the Hillbillie's back yard.
I have a couple that have been in sheepskin lined gun rugs for years, without the sheepskin getting any oil on it.

[kookbreaker]

I wonder if it was an English CTer who first came up with the 'gun leaking oil' concept. :D

[I Ratant]

Don't have to go across the pond to find CTers with no knowledge of weaponry who wax eloquent anyway.
Harold Weisberg, prolific author on the subject mentioned the "mule-like kick" of the Carcano..
Which it doesn't have!
Makes one wonder if any of those guys know which end of a rifle the bullet comes out of, at the very least.

[kookbreaker]

Don't have to go across the pond to find CTers with no knowledge of weaponry who wax eloquent anyway.


I know, I was just referring to the jokes about British cars and leaking oil.


Harold Weisberg, prolific author on the subject mentioned the "mule-like kick" of the Carcano..
Which it doesn't have!
Makes one wonder if any of those guys know which end of a rifle the bullet comes out of, at the very least.

My personal favorite is one CT who taped himself talking about how it takes 2.3 seconds to work the bolt of an MC and then proceeds to demonstrate on his MC....and takes only 1.6 seconds.

[jakesteele]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022&q=President%20Press%20JFK&hl=en

To me this is the strangest part of the JFK deal...Stand Down order given to the Secret Service agents who ride on the bumper to guard the President's back and to throw themselves on the Prez to protect his body.

I had an uncle-in-law who was a Secret Service agent who protected Truman in particular and Eisenhower for a little bit. He saw this film in later years and as an ex-agent, had also heard about it from some of his peers. He said that was unheard of for agents to abandon the Prez under any circumstance to try to prevent exactly what happened. He said he definetely smelled a rat.

[Holler Hoojer]

If you really want to know why Tippit stopped Oswald, find a friendly street cop with maybe 15 years experience. Take him up to, say, a third story observation point and ask him to tell which of the people on the street below are doing something wrong. Good cops develop a sense of body language.

[Ranb]

I bought a 6.5 mm carcano years ago. One day I was challenged about my claim that a person could pull the trigger three times and cycle the bolt twice in six seconds while putting three holes in a man sized target at 75 yards. When I demonstrated it was possible, I was told that I needed a scope on the rifle. The "Oswald style" Japanese scope and mounts were going for about $125 on ebay back then, more than my rifle was worth.

Well, the rifle I bought was a piece of crap with a pitted black bore. But the bolt was slick and fast, not as good as an enfield, but better than a savage, remington or mauser. A single drop of oil on the external surfaces of the bolt was all that was needed to ensure the rifle was "well oiled". This leaves the exterior of the rifle completely dry. Wrapping it in paper will leave no oil stains at all.

I took a cheap Weaver #1 mount, flattened it out with a vise and hammer, then drilled and tapped the receiver and installed the mount. The scope was I use a cheap 4x, but 25mm, not the smaller one Oswald used. It has the same field of view though and is entirely adequate for shooting large targets at less than 100 yards. Even with the scope mounted offset to the left, I had to secure the scope in the rings rotated 90 degrees counter clock-wise to allow loading using a stripper clip. It is easy to shoot left or right handed. I find that rapid shooting is easier when shooting left handed as I can keep hold of the stock and keep my finger ready to pull the trigger after my right hand cycles the bolt.

I find it very amusing that a person would claim that a well oiled rifle means it is coated with oil on the exterior, or that a carcano is not good enough to hit large targets at 88 yards, or that a trained marksman (even mediocre Marines are experts compared to the general population) can not shoot it quickly and accurately. Simply practicing a bit would show them the errors of their ways, but I think they prefer the bliss of ignorance.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u320/ranb40/firearms/carcano1891.jpg

Ranb

[kookbreaker]

Roundhead seems to have slunk away from another thread after making bombastic and idiotic claims. Surprise.

[SmartyPants]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5770984395481454022&q=President%20Press%20JFK&hl=en

To me this is the strangest part of the JFK deal...Stand Down order given to the Secret Service agents who ride on the bumper to guard the President's back and to throw themselves on the Prez to protect his body.

I had an uncle-in-law who was a Secret Service agent who protected Truman in particular and Eisenhower for a little bit. He saw this film in later years and as an ex-agent, had also heard about it from some of his peers. He said that was unheard of for agents to abandon the Prez under any circumstance to try to prevent exactly what happened. He said he definetely smelled a rat.

Not sure what this has to do with Oswald and Tippit, but here we go...

First of all, the "stand down" idea seems to have appeared fairly recently, and for good reason. When every other theory gets knocked down, let's find a video, look for something which doesn't have an immediate explanation and determine it to be suspicious. It's clearly grabbing at straws, because no matter how you slice it, every single bit of evidence shows that Oswald was the lone assassin and no evidence suggests that the secret service was involved in any way. But if you're determined to hang on to a conspiracy, you'll look for anything.

I mean, it's so just ridiculous that it's barely worth commenting on. David Von Pein, however, has commented on this video (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy.jfk/msg/c3a922470507c5d6) to, I think, a pretty reasonable degree. Beyond that, there's plenty of evidence out there in the form interviews and secret service protocol that once you read it, you realize how insane it is to think that secret service was involved.

[RoboTimbo]

How did Tippit's murderer manage to get the murder weapon to Oswald? I won't even ask what you believe the motivation would be.

Bumpity roundhead bump. How did Oswald come to be in possession of the weapon used to kill Tippit?

[Myron Proudfoot]

I bought a 6.5 mm carcano years ago. One day I was challenged about my claim that a person could pull the trigger three times and cycle the bolt twice in six seconds while putting three holes in a man sized target at 75 yards. When I demonstrated it was possible, I was told that I needed a scope on the rifle. The "Oswald style" Japanese scope and mounts were going for about $125 on ebay back then, more than my rifle was worth.

Well, the rifle I bought was a piece of crap with a pitted black bore. But the bolt was slick and fast, not as good as an enfield, but better than a savage, remington or mauser. A single drop of oil on the external surfaces of the bolt was all that was needed to ensure the rifle was "well oiled". This leaves the exterior of the rifle completely dry. Wrapping it in paper will leave no oil stains at all.

I took a cheap Weaver #1 mount, flattened it out with a vise and hammer, then drilled and tapped the receiver and installed the mount. The scope was I use a cheap 4x, but 25mm, not the smaller one Oswald used. It has the same field of view though and is entirely adequate for shooting large targets at less than 100 yards. Even with the scope mounted offset to the left, I had to secure the scope in the rings rotated 90 degrees counter clock-wise to allow loading using a stripper clip. It is easy to shoot left or right handed. I find that rapid shooting is easier when shooting left handed as I can keep hold of the stock and keep my finger ready to pull the trigger after my right hand cycles the bolt.

I find it very amusing that a person would claim that a well oiled rifle means it is coated with oil on the exterior, or that a carcano is not good enough to hit large targets at 88 yards, or that a trained marksman (even mediocre Marines are experts compared to the general population) can not shoot it quickly and accurately. Simply practicing a bit would show them the errors of their ways, but I think they prefer the bliss of ignorance.


Ranb

that was interesting, thanks...

[dtugg]

Bumpity roundhead bump. How did Oswald come to be in possession of the weapon used to kill Tippit?

That's easy. He didn't have the weapon and the police were payed off by the the Mafia/LBG/CIA/KGB/Fidel Castro.

[Blender Head]

David Von Pein

Via other films and photos taken during pre-November 22nd JFK
motorcades, it becomes very obvious that the security arrangements
made by the SS on 11/22/63 in Dallas were not substantially DIFFERENT
from other motorcades that Kennedy participated in prior to November
22.

Obviously those were photo ops set up to deceive the sheeple into believing the Secret Service did not always conduct themselves according to protocol!

Gosh, it's so obvious!

:rolleyes: