I Sent An E-mail To Your Chief

[TENYEARS]

I sent an email to your chief, let's see if it is for real.

[geni]

Why are you sending the queen/ed/shemp emails?

[arcticpenguin]

Presuming you meant Randi,

see if what's for real? I'm sure his e-mail address is real, I've used it before.

[Aoidoi]

Chief Illiniwek?

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ill/nonsport/traditions/a-Chief_Illiniwek.jpg

I don't think he's technically chief of the whole state, but I think he's sort of ceremonial anyway. You know, like the Queen of England. Only he goes to more sporting events. Only Big 10 though. Odd.

Hmmm..., but the JREF is in Florida. Maybe Indian chief Potanou?

http://www.famousamericans.net/indianchiefpotanou/

He does appear to be dead, so I suspect there will be a delay in any response from him.

A list of Native American Indian wars: http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1008.html

Sorry, felt I needed to beat the joke to death. ;)

btw, in case you missed it the link for challenge info is here: http://www.randi.org/research/challenge.html

[Zep]

You're a clever lad, TENYEARS! Although I do wonder if the email was actually coherent...

Do you think you can find the right buttons to post a copy here on the forum?

[shemp]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
I sent an email to your chief, let's see if it is for real.

I didn't get it. Please try sending it to shemp@doesn'tgiveaf*ck.com

[TENYEARS]

Here you go Zep,

Mr Randi, what I have been a witness to is visions. I have no special powers, it is what I sometimes experience. Due to your clause that it must be displayed in the preliminary test and no one has ever gotten past the preliminary test, I would like to know if an ammendment can be made to the preliminary test. It is visions and not moving objects. I have a methodology in place which would give you more proof enough and it is scientific and a presently used method in certain fields today. It could give you statistical proof without actually seeing the event directly. I feel the method which I was to use, even in the preliminary, in the way it was to be used would go beyond standard deviation to go to the next level. As for the vision(s). If you do not agree and you are not really interested, I will pursue other avenues. I have already had many visions come true with witnesses which many were beyond my control to any degree. I will be awaiting your answer. I have already had a vision concerning exactly what I am pursuing here and it will occur. Your choice.

Thank You
TENYEARS - From PF and Your Forum

[Hand Bent Spoon]

^Yeah, I bet you have had a vision of what the reply will be. Of course, it doesn't take a psychic to do that in this case.

Why not go ahead and predict the future for us right here in this very thread, thus making us all red-faced in envy for your power? Yes, a prediction would be highly entertaining.

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Here you go Zep,

Mr Randi, what I have been a witness to is visions. I have no special powers, it is what I sometimes experience. Due to your clause that it must be displayed in the preliminary test and no one has ever gotten past the preliminary test, I would like to know if an ammendment can be made to the preliminary test. It is visions and not moving objects. I have a methodology in place which would give you more proof enough and it is scientific and a presently used method in certain fields today. It could give you statistical proof without actually seeing the event directly. I feel the method which I was to use, even in the preliminary, in the way it was to be used would go beyond standard deviation to go to the next level. As for the vision(s). If you do not agree and you are not really interested, I will pursue other avenues. I have already had many visions come true with witnesses which many were beyond my control to any degree. I will be awaiting your answer. I have already had a vision concerning exactly what I am pursuing here and it will occur. Your choice.

Thank You
TENYEARS - From PF and Your Forum

Tenyears - why do you write like a retarded third-grader? Is English not your first language? If it is not, please get a friend with a better understanding of English to help you with translation. If it is, then I pity you. If all this tortured syntax and missing words and vague wording stuff is intentional, then I want to hurt you. Please let me know which it is.

[hgc]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Here you go Zep,

... snip ...

I have already had a vision concerning exactly what I am pursuing here and it will occur. Your choice.

Thank You
TENYEARS - From PF and Your Forum Which is it? Will your vision occur exactly as you've envisioned it, or will Randi have a choice in the matter? This is far more serious a contradiction than anything attritutable to poor communication skills.

[TENYEARS]

Did not see if Randi was involved, but that it will be is inevitable and will occur. Type B vision. As to spelling and grammer, for the most part I don't take the time to check. In terms of power, I am no different than anyone else, that is the truth. What any of you you are apart of and may not realize, well that might be the proper question. If chief doesn't respond, no problem, I guess visions are not part of his plan. He only goes for people who claim to move suns or other foolishness. Not that all things are not possible. He is doing a service for the people to expose the absolute obvious, much like the catholic church does in it's verifing of many so called miracles. Most of them it says are false. I on the other hand, I need no verifier, it is the verifier who should be interested in this circumstance because it is real. This would be known in the preliminary test which may be with Randi or who knows. I do not know. I only know that it will occur.

[Aoidoi]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Did not see if Randi was involved, but that it will be is inevitable and will occur.So, you believe in predestination? That there is nothing that can be done to alter your "visions?" What if you went and stole their car the day they were supposed to be in your vision?

Type B vision.Would you care to explain what the types of visions are? If it's in another post just point the way. :)

As to spelling and grammer, for the most part I don't take the time to check.While I try not to be judgemental on such things, your writing style does not help your case. You include in the same paragraph numerous different and unrelated comments, which does little for the readability of your posts.

In terms of power, I am no different than anyone else, that is the truth.An interesting assertion. Care to define power? I'm a big guy, odds are pretty good I'm more physically powerful than you. There are obvious differences in the intelligence of various people. Is this "power" somehow the one attribute in which all people are perfectly equal?

What any of you you are apart of and may not realize, well that might be the proper question.I can't make heads or tails of this one. Given the previous sentence I suspect you're trying to argue that everyone shares your ability without realizing it, but then your sentences seem to have little actual relation from one to the next.

If chief doesn't respond, no problem, I guess visions are not part of his plan.Is that really the only possible explanation? If he doesn't respond perhaps he (like others here) simply can't figure out what you're trying to say. Or perhaps you sent it to the wrong address, or it got deleted, or his computer crashed, or a thousand other possibilities. Might I suggest that if he does not respond in a timely manner (and Hal has already mentioned there is a backlog in applications due to TAM2) then you might wish to send a follow-up email?

He only goes for people who claim to move suns or other foolishness.Yes, their delusions are foolish and yours are wise. ;)

Not that all things are not possible.Is it possible for you to touch the moon with your feet on the earth? Surely even you must recognize that not all things are possible.

He is doing a service for the people to expose the absolute obvious, much like the catholic church does in it's verifing of many so called miracles.An interesting assertion. Are you drawing this conclusion solely on the basis of a single test of a ridiculous claim? Several of his tests have demonstrated the problems with widely accepted claims. Dowsing, faith healing, and homeopathy spring to mind. Are these also obvious claims? What makes yours different?

Most of them it says are false.Well, Randi has a rather better batting average on those.

I on the other hand, I need no verifier, it is the verifier who should be interested in this circumstance because it is real.Indeed. It is a large part of science to observe reality and determine how things work. I still can't figure out what you are saying you can do though. I mean, I have visions all the time. At the moment I have a vision of a monitor on a desk. You seem to equate "vision" with a prediction of the future. Well, I can do that too. Someone will win the Superbowl. It won't be the Bears.

How are your visions different?

This would be known in the preliminary test which may be with Randi or who knows. I do not know. I only know that it will occur. Could you be a bit more precise in your use of pronouns? What will occur? The preliminary test? Some other prediction which you haven't yet shared? Check over in General Skepticism, Lucianarchy has made a prediction that something will happen on a given day. It's very vague, but at least he provided a date. Is that what you can do? Or are you planning on specifying a certain event?

Frankly, without you providing a bit more in the way of what you claim you can do I can't even figure out what you're on about. Some helpful questions:

How do you get your "visions?" In your sleep? While awake? Do they appear like movies? Do they involve only sight, or other senses as well?

How do you know they are of the future?

How do you know they must come to pass?

Why do you feel the need to share them (inasmuch as you have done so)?

Have you written down your visions before the events actually occur, or do you see the event and think "yes, that's what I had a vision of?"

Are you over 50? I just ask because my father will use the term "chief" but it's not in particularly common usage among my generation.

[Peter Jenkins]

As to spelling and grammer, for the most part I don't take the time to check.
The suspected moral is to my understanding to make a poste form to coherant from incoherante.
But mostely the care isnt mine anyway, because Im not trying to explain a new concept and paradigm which is going to alter world views and win a milliom dollars, anyway.
Peter

[Brown]

How would you feel if the response to your letter is: "What in the world are you talking about?" That is the response I would give, if I were responding to the the correspondence.

I do not mean this as an insult. What I mean is that the correspondence simply doesn't make any sense. If the inquiry were addressed to me, I would respond with puzzlement concerning the meaning of the correspondence, and I might also mention that I do not intend to spend any time trying to decipher it.

If you are serious about the challenge. speak plainly. If you have a special ability, say what it is. If you propose a method for testing the ability, give a step-by-step description of the method. Don't just tell us how great the method is... tell us what it is.

Otherwise, it will be hard for anyone to take you seriously.

[TENYEARS]

I can't tell the method, because I think it is a great idea and if Randi does not agree to an amendment, I will use it myself. I would take the challange, but one would have to realize it's visions, so the preliminary test would have to be my method, which if taken I believe could make me a qualifier or not before I even go to the next level.

As for speaking coherently, well I suppose I don't give a dam because many of you are skeptics, but by some of your words I can see there is the potential for more.

When you understand what gravity and matter is, the walls which contain the world of limitations begins to crumble. For me it crumbled before that, but I still tried to be skeptical saying is this really happening until I figured it out. Then some time after the visions came.

I don't lie, unless I am bluffing in poker, but that's bluffing and not lieing. Who the hell knows, I am not Jerking anyone around, and I have better things to do with my time than convince people of horsecarp. If I did not absolutely know what I know I would not be posting. But that's me.

Note: The purpose of the posting is to mix with people in an attempt to figure out what I am suposed to do.

Nothing is predecided, and yet things cannot happen any other way. How can this be? If you experience this question for yourself, you will have your own visions.

[Aoidoi]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
I can't tell the method, because I think it is a great idea and if Randi does not agree to an amendment, I will use it myself. I would take the challange, but one would have to realize it's visions, so the preliminary test would have to be my method, which if taken I believe could make me a qualifier or not before I even go to the next level.Um, so you want Randi to change his rules somehow, except that you won't say how in case he doesn't want to change them? Thanks for uh... clearing that up.

As for speaking coherently, well I suppose I don't give a dam because many of you are skeptics, but by some of your words I can see there is the potential for more.So if people accepted exactly what you said without questioning anything then you would tell them... more? I can see how having no reason to explain would make you much more likely to do so. That's sure how it works for most people. ;)

When you understand what gravity and matter is, the walls which contain the world of limitations begins to crumble. For me it crumbled before that, but I still tried to be skeptical saying is this really happening until I figured it out. Then some time after the visions came. gravity - http://physics.about.com/cs/gravity/g/gravity.htm
matter - http://dict.die.net/matter/

Personally I prefer magnetism and molecules, but I'm a sucker for alliteration.

I don't lie, unless I am bluffing in poker, but that's bluffing and not lieing. Who the hell knows, I am not Jerking anyone around, and I have better things to do with my time than convince people of horsecarp. If I did not absolutely know what I know I would not be posting. But that's me.Ok, so you're absolutely convinced of... something. But you don't care if anyone else believes in... something. Well, glad that cleared it up.

Note: The purpose of the posting is to mix with people in an attempt to figure out what I am suposed to do.I have a fiver that says we're all Turing machines, but I suppose that's neither here nor there. Supposed to do about what? The challenge? Fill out the form, get it notarized, send it to Randi. I'd recommend actually saying something of substance in it, but then I find myself generally constrained by attempting to actually convey meaning when I write.

Nothing is predecided, and yet things cannot happen any other way. A=A' Got it. Now that we've discarded logic, causality, and any hope of determining what is real, what is it that you can do? Try not to throw out any more irrelevant tangents like matter, gravity, and poker please. Can you predict the future? Go win the lottery. It faster, easier, and doesn't involve having to make sense since you can get the machine to pick the numbers for you.

How can this be? If you experience this question for yourself, you will have your own visions. I do hate to jump to conclusions, but do you by any chance have a tendency to use mind-altering drugs? Because this has devolved into a fairly uninspired pot addled philosophy jam. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but I still haven't the foggiest idea what you're on about (though, as noted, I have my suspicions as to what you are on).

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
I can't tell the method, because I think it is a great idea and if Randi does not agree to an amendment, I will use it myself. I would take the challange, but one would have to realize it's visions, so the preliminary test would have to be my method, which if taken I believe could make me a qualifier or not before I even go to the next level.


If Randi doesn't agree to test you then you'll do it yourself? Well, that would certainly make the world sit up and notice eh?

To be honest, if Randi declines your method I am sure you will be able to find someone else to test you and possibly even give you a positive result. But unless that test is seen to be fair and the controls stringent, it will have precisely zero impact on the world.

I wouldn't bother coming on here complaining about Randi's lack of response. If you're that concerned, post a copy of your proposal and let us try and ascertain the reason why he is not interested. If it really is that earth-shattering, why does it matter if we see your method before you have proven it?

[jimmygun]

If you people were from the spirit world you would understand Ten completely. Why not get John Edwards or Sylvia to translate for you.

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
As for speaking coherently, well I suppose I don't give a dam because many of you are skeptics, but by some of your words I can see there is the potential for more.

Everyone else on this board can talk about testing protocols and what type of visions you think you have, but I'm going to hammer on this point until you understand: one of the many reasons that no one believes you or thinks that you're even a credible applicant is that you write as if you were a total idiot.

Whether you give a "dam" or not is immaterial. People judge you by your diction as well as by your spelling and grammar, and I hope that you don't speak as poorly as you write; if that is so, then I can only imagine that your prospects for the future are rather limited. You'll have a dumb spouse or partner, your children - biological or otherwise - will be dumb, and everyone loses. I honestly don't think you have the ability to write coherently. I think, based on the evidence that you've posted in this forum, that this is the absolute zenith of your intellectual capabilities. You seem to be trying harder to make yourself understood, and yet it is not even close to almost good enough.

Go away, figure out how to communicate with other human beings, and then, perhaps, I'll listen to you.

[TENYEARS]

My purpose here is the truth and nothing more.

[Aoidoi]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
My purpose here is the truth and nothing more. Nothing is true beyond your purpose? That seems a tad arrogant. Egomaniacal, if you will. Next thing we know you'll be dressing up in colorful tights and trying to take over the world!

Or perhaps you meant that your purpose is to share the truth? You don't seem to be doing a very good job of sharing anything. Given the majority of the responses seem to be requesting that you actually try to convey meaning it seems that you're rather less than adequate for your chosen task.

Or are you looking for the truth? I've heard there is surprisingly little of it. But then, you should never administer too much truth serum and exhort someone to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. The answer, of course, is 42.

[uneasy]

Originally posted by LFTKBS

Tenyears - why do you write like a retarded third-grader? Is English not your first language?

[TENYEARS]

Those who search for truth will find one grain of sand upon a mountain, those who do not ask where the water is in the middle of an endless ocean. I was brought up not to waste. This is my last response until your chief responds. If I do not post here again, you will know I did not get a response.

[Zep]

TENYEARS, I have read your letter to Randi, and I will write in simple words for you to understand.

1. You won't tell us what your visions are. You won't tell us what you can do that is special. We do not know if you are making this up. We do not know if you are on drugs. We do not know if you are trying to make a joke with us. If you are serious then you must tell us EXACTLY what it is you can do.

2. No-one understands you here because you won't write clearly. Your words are all mixed up and make no sense at all. We have asked you many times to be clear with your words, but you are not. Or you don't want to be clear to us for some reason. If you are not clear in your thinking and writing then no-one here or anywhere else will understand you and believe you. One reason we do not understand or believe you today is because you do not write clearly. Do you think you can write clearly so we CAN understand and believe you?

3. You won't tell Randi what your visions are. You won't tell Randi what you can do. You want to take the JREF Challenge but you want the rules changed just for you and you won't say why. That would be cheating. No-one likes cheats. Cheats are not welcome in science or anywhere else. Some cheats even go to jail for cheating. Why do you want to cheat? If you do not want to cheat, tell Randi exactly what you can do so that he can test you fairly.

Thank you.
zep

PS. If you are just a crank-yanker then retribution will be swift and sweet.

[UnrepentantSinner]

http://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/people/images/sittingbull.jpg

Me no understand e-mail. Wording more confused than buffalo in stampede. It look to be about Horse Feathers though. He good warrior, but full of dung.

[Zep]

Ugh. Paleface speak with f**ked tongue.

[Questioninggeller]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
My purpose here is the truth and nothing more.

What's your vision of the outcome of the test?

[hgc]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
... If I do not post here again, you will know I did not get a response. I won't assume it. You may be recalled to the home planet any minute now. Can you post from there?

[DaChew]

Well, I don't know what the response will be but it seems to me that Kansas City is definitely the team to beat in post season. Trent Green is obviously going to end the regular season with over 3,000 yards passing. With their final four games being against the likes of Denver, Detroit, Chicago and Minnesota, it appears that the Chiefs will be well rested going into the first round of the playoffs. Also, look for Vonnie Holliday to break his individual record for sacks in the regular season. He has 5.5 now and could easily tally 3 more by the time the Bears show up on the 28th.

If I wrote a letter to The Chiefs that's about what I'd expect in reply.

[Aoidoi]

Careful, the Bears have actually resembled a football team recently. The Chiefs might want to watch out for them.

Farewell TENYEARS, we hardly knew you.

[DaChew]

Careful, the Bears have actually resembled a football team recently. The Chiefs might want to watch out for them.

They could be spoilers. No doubt about it. Beating Detroit, San Diego and Arizona don't make them a football team however. Nice game against Denver though. Who'd a thunk it?

I may just watch the Bears against Green Bay this weekend. That's going to be a good game. I don't think they'll beat the Vikings though. Then they can rest up the next week when the push the Skins over like the house of cards they are.

The Chiefs could just sit back and take it easy with the Bears on their final game. They'll probably have their playoff berth sown up anyway. Might as well lay back on their millionaire asses and let one slide.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
I sent an email to your chief, let's see if it is for real.

http://www.novanotes.com/specul/olsen.jpg

:p

[TheBoyPaj]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
This is my last response until your chief responds. If I do not post here again, you will know I did not get a response.

I can hardly tell you how hard it will be to accept the fact that you will no longer be posting here.


Oh wait... I just did.

[TENYEARS]

Chief or someone answering for the chief responded, we will see. Sent him another message, I will wait.

[Charlie in Dayton]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Chief or someone answering for the chief responded, we will see. Sent him another message, I will wait.

Master Yoda? You that is?

[UnrepentantSinner]

I don't think I have anticipated reports of correspondance more than anticipating receiving corresponance in a very very long time. Probably since high school. At least let us know which minion deemed to speak for the great and powerful Randi. Please don't leave us wondering!!!!

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by Charlie in Dayton


Master Yoda? You that is?

Another message I sent. Wait I will. Hmmmm?

[Brown]

Originally posted by me
How would you feel if the response to your letter is: "What in the world are you talking about?" That is the response I would give, if I were responding to the the correspondence.

I do not mean this as an insult. What I mean is that the correspondence simply doesn't make any sense. If the inquiry were addressed to me, I would respond with puzzlement concerning the meaning of the correspondence, and I might also mention that I do not intend to spend any time trying to decipher it.My hair stood on end when I read the following:From Randi's Swift column
Sometimes I simply respond with, "What's your question?" — and the following is a response to that question, if you follow all this...

It's too bad that this person — male or female — hasn't mastered the art of expressing a thought in words. Communication is one of the things that differentiates human beings from other animals; we're much better at it than they are, and we should have great respect for our ability to express ideas and thoughts to one another with such accuracy and depth. I've read the above four paragraphs a few times now, and I still can't figure out the meaning — if any is there. Yes, it's too bad, because this writer might have actually had something important and interesting to communicate to me... BEAT THAT, SYLVIA BROWNE! It's better than most of your "hits!"

[TENYEARS]

Well a few messages to the chief, don't know if it is him or the indians repsonding. I suppose it does not matter much, the inevitable is on the way either way. If he does not respond, this is my last post. I sent him a vision I had that happened last year while on vacation and it happend during vacation. I wanted to test Randi or whoevers ability to analyse. I classify it as my worst vision and yet it goes beyond statistical probability by far. For the allotted time which it had to happen and the circumstances viewed.

Good luck to you all, other avenues or this avenue will open because it was a vision after all. Adios

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Originally posted by TENYEARS
Good luck to you all, other avenues or this avenue will open because it was a vision after all.

The avenue will open? That implies it is closed now. Which one? I have to drive to the office pretty soon!

Originally posted by TENYEARS

Adios

Did you know that Adios is Soida spelled backwards?

[CurtC]

I'm dyin to know - what was this vision that happened last year?

It seems that what you've done, at least so far, is to start a thread here with the information that you have sent an email message to Randi, something having to do with precognition. You have said nothing else of substance. Is that all you want us to know? Usually, people post here because they're looking for feedback on their ideas. But we don't know what you can do. Please tell us, or just go away.

[TheBoyPaj]

Too late. He's already gone.

(Let's hope he keeps his promises)

[NullPointerException]

TENYEARS, why don't you send me your methodology and I'll do an independent test to see if it works. Since you have never had any physical contact with me and have no idea who I am that would verify your power for you.

[Iacchus]

Ah ... Dios. May God be with you. :)

And, since this is the 43rd post of this thread, it brings up Revelation Chapter 12, which refers to the "Woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of 12 stars" ... which occurs in the 43rd month following the 42 months of prophecy by the "Two Witnesses" in chapter 11. All of which refers to The Advent of the New Church.

[NullPointerException]

Wow, a pointless biblical reference... I havn't seen one of those since 3:16 became popular.

[Kopji]

Rats, and I was going to ask him what I have in my pocket...

Maybe the intent was sort of a catch-22 where the 'vision' showed that he would be laughed off the board, and lo, it came to pass. Conclusion: Wow, must really have been a visionary.

I don't see what the big secrecy about the vision was all about. Post the vision here, and we'll see if it comes to pass. Do five of them and that will get everyone's attention pretty fast. More likely though, a "vision" would need be explained in terms of what happened in the present, calling it a "successful prediction".

All supposed 'visionary' experiences are in the past-tense. To interpret one, it must be a historic event. This places them in the realm of possibility that the effect is the result some sort of mental illness that affects memory perception, (like schizophrenia or bipolar-disorder).

[braces_for_impact]

I sent him a vision I had that happened last year while on vacation and it happend during vacation.

You were testing his ability to analyze? I have known several 6 year olds that can analyze that for you. It's called anecdotal evidence.

You see, saying you had a vision and that it came true is by no means evidence; it does absolutely nothing to verify your story. I could as easily claim that I sent you that vision before that vaction, and then conspired to make those events happen on your vacation. I did this just to trick you and lead you away from the truth.

You believe me don't you? If not I can prove it, but I won't tell you how until you approve my methodology, then I will tell you more.