Galileo case showed church didn't respect science, official says

[Galileo]

Galileo case showed church didn't respect science, official says

By Sarah Delaney

Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY – As scholars and theologians continue to debate the heresy trial of Galileo Galilei, a Vatican official said that a failure to understand the boundaries between faith and science was at the heart of the church's condemnation of his ideas.

Monsignor Melchor Sanchez de Toca, undersecretary of the Pontifical Council for Culture, told Vatican Radio May 26 that the “incomprehension” on the part of church officials nearly four centuries ago “was born from not having perceived and understood the legitimate autonomy of the natural sciences.”

Monsignor Sanchez was participating in a symposium in Florence discussing the decision of a church tribunal in 1633 to force Galileo to retract his teaching of the Copernican theory that the earth moved around the sun. The symposium was sponsored by the Niels Stensen Foundation, a Jesuit-run cultural institute.

May 30, 2009

http://www.catholicreview.org/subpages/storyworldnew-new.aspx?action=6294

It looks like they have finally admitted the conspiracy against Galileo.

[Mojo]

What conspiracy? He taught stuff that wasn't in accordance with the contemporary doctrine and (perhaps more importantly) pissed off the Pope by putting his arguments in the mouth of a character called "Simplicio", so they set the inquisition on him.

"Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment; you must also be right." – Robert Park

[Galileo]

What conspiracy? He taught stuff that wasn't in accordance with the contemporary doctrine and (perhaps more importantly) pissed off the Pope by putting his arguments in the mouth of a character called "Simplicio", so they set the inquisition on him.

"Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo it is not enough that you be persecuted by an unkind establishment, you must also be right." – Robert Park

You think one lone nut took down Galileo?

:rolleyes:

[Mojo]

You think one lone nut took down Galileo?

:rolleyes:


You think anyone has suggested that "one lone nut took down Galileo"?

You're doing pretty well, though.

[Mojo]

Galileo case showed church didn't respect science, official says

"Pope Catholic, official says."

[Galileo]

You think anyone has suggested that "one lone nut took down Galileo"?

You're doing pretty well, though.

You suggested it. You said it wasn't a conspiracy. That leaves either a lone nut, or they accidentally put him on trial.

[Galileo]

"Pope Catholic, official says."

Are you sort of like one of those birds that just repeats things? Do you have anything constructive to say on this topic?

:confused:

[Mojo]

You suggested it. You said it wasn't a conspiracy. That leaves either a lone nut, or they accidentally put him on trial.


Or that the church put him on trial on purpose. People in a position of authority openly exercising that authority isn't usually regarded as a conspiracy.

That mantle doesn't seem to fit you.

[Galileo]

Or that the church put him on trial on purpose. People in a position of authority openly exercising that authority isn't usually regarded as a conspiracy.

That mantle doesn't seem to fit you.

The trial of Galileo was not a usual event. They were out to get him. Galileo did not get his rights, for example, he did not have a defense counsel, nor was he informed of the charges against him, nor could he call witnesses, or participate in discovery. He was the victim of a conspiracy. I know you believe the lone nut theory.

[Mojo]

"Alas, to wear the mantle of Galileo ... you must also be right."

[timhau]

So, a group of people acting together for a common goal openly in broad daylight counts as a conspiracy now? OK.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are conspiring to take the Stanley Cup away from current holders, the Detroit Red Wings, after losing in the finals last spring. The Los Angeles Lakers conspiracy is working towards similar goals in the NBA. You fans of Sidney Crosby and Kobe Bryant are lone-nutters.

[Alt+F4]

Galileo did not get his rights, for example, he did not have a defense counsel, nor was he informed of the charges against him, nor could he call witnesses, or participate in discovery.

These are due process rights people have in the United States. Do you know what rights accused heretics had when charged by the Inquisition?

None.

[Galileo]

These are due process rights people have in the United States. Do you know what rights accused heretics had when charged by the Inquisition?

None.

According to a book I just read, those were usual due process rights in Italy in 1633.

The Earth Moves; Galileo and the Inquisition (2009) by Dan Hofstader.

[Galileo]

So, a group of people acting together for a common goal openly in broad daylight counts as a conspiracy now? OK.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are conspiring to take the Stanley Cup away from current holders, the Detroit Red Wings, after losing in the finals last spring. The Los Angeles Lakers conspiracy is working towards similar goals in the NBA. You fans of Sidney Crosby and Kobe Bryant are lone-nutters.

So Tonya Harding didn't conspire against Nancy Kerrigan's kneecap?

[Monketey Ghost]

Awww. I enjoy reading about Galileo Galilei (sp?) and so therefore usually open threads with that name in the title... and then am usually disappointed to find the idiocy contained therein... you're killing my joy, sir

[Blender Head]

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/2523/0e2e154b783bbccc8efa468eh1.gif

Is this thread really necessary?

[timhau]

So Tonya Harding didn't conspire against Nancy Kerrigan's kneecap?

Yes, and Harding's plan was known in advance, the strategy through which her goal was to be reached was analyzed extensively before the the incident itself. The incident was a major media event, scheduled far enough in advance so as to allow ticket sales, broadcast live on TV in the US and elsewhere and carried out according to a published set of pre-existing (although at times imperfectly enforced) rules.

No, wait... what? What the hell does the Harding-Kerrigan incident have to do with anything? Sir, you need to focus.

[Galileo]

Today's Funky Winkerbean Comic Features Galileo!

http://www.seattlepi.com/fun/funky.asp?date=20090531

(May 31)

[tsig]

According to a book I just read, those were usual due process rights in Italy in 1633.

The Earth Moves; Galileo and the Inquisition (2009) by Dan Hofstader.

Funny you don't remember the trial.

Heretics before the Inquisition had no rights. Anything anybody said could be held against them.

Due process wasn't even a concept in 1633.

[Galileo]

Funny you don't remember the trial.

Heretics before the Inquisition had no rights. Anything anybody said could be held against them.

Due process wasn't even a concept in 1633.

Yes, it was. Galileo wasn't a heretic. You must believe in God if you think heretics exist.

[Blender Head]

Yes, it was. Galileo wasn't a heretic. You must believe in God if you think heretics exist.

You'd have to have terrible, awful reading comprehension to believe he thought Galileo was a 'heretic'.

[TheDaver]

You think one lone nut took down Galileo?
I know of one lone nut who calls himself Galileo.…

[tsig]

Yes, it was. Galileo wasn't a heretic. You must believe in God if you think heretics exist.


Do you mean you were an atheist? Of did you mean me?

[Galileo]

I know of one lone nut who calls himself Galileo.…

I am not a lone nut. I have 72 friends on Facebook.

[JohnG]

I am not a lone nut. I have 72 friends on Facebook.


Why can't you spend more time with them?

[timhau]

I am not a lone nut. I have 72 friends on Facebook.

Conspiracy!!!

[Ysidro]

So, a group of people acting together for a common goal openly in broad daylight counts as a conspiracy now? OK.

The Pittsburgh Penguins are conspiring to take the Stanley Cup away from current holders, the Detroit Red Wings, after losing in the finals last spring.

The way they're playing, it's an unsuccessful conspiracy. Maybe it's too open. Evgeni Malkin should stop carrying a stick that says "Gino". Maybe then Osgood won't know who's shooting at him. ;)

[tsig]

I am not a lone nut. I have 72 friends on Facebook.

I'm having a hard time with this.

Are you a lone genius or do you need support?

[timhau]

The way they're playing, it's an unsuccessful conspiracy. Maybe it's too open. Evgeni Malkin should stop carrying a stick that says "Gino". Maybe then Osgood won't know who's shooting at him. ;)

Actually, I think I had it backwards. It's the Wings who are conspiring to keep the Cup in Detroit, so there won't be widespread rioting when GM goes under. I mean, doesn't everyone know Osgood is a mediocre goalie? Just count how likely it is that the Pens lose by two, and hit goalposts three times -- including two shots that hit the inside of the far post at exactly the same spot and bounce out?

[Whiplash]

Why can't you spend more time with them?

LOL, thanks, first time in at least two years that I showered my monitor and keyboard with a drinkable liquid.

[doobiedoright]

I am not a lone nut. I have 72 friends on Facebook.

Prove it!

[CptColumbo]

OMG 7+2=9 There are 2 digits. 9+2=11


AAAAAAHAAAAAA

[Ysidro]

Actually, I think I had it backwards. It's the Wings who are conspiring to keep the Cup in Detroit, so there won't be widespread rioting when GM goes under. I mean, doesn't everyone know Osgood is a mediocre goalie? Just count how likely it is that the Pens lose by two, and hit goalposts three times -- including two shots that hit the inside of the far post at exactly the same spot and bounce out?

My God, you're right! It's a conspriacy! Why doesn't someone let the world know Detroit wants to keep the Cup!?!?!? :eye-poppi