Troops Waited While Hillary Chowed Down

[Richard G]

U.S. Sen. Hillary Clinton forced U.S. troops stationed at Bagram air base in Afghanistan to wait for their Thanksgiving dinner last Thursday, while she and her entourage arrived late, then cut in line and were served first.
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/2/11616.shtml

They had a hard time finding troops who wanted to eat with her. No surprise really. This is SOP for Politburo members.

[Gem]

Considering the source, and other articles listed below that probably came from a tabloid, do you have any other source for this story?

Gem

[Tricky]

Originally posted by Richard G

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/2/11616.shtml

They had a hard time finding troops who wanted to eat with her. No surprise really. This is SOP for Politburo members.
Whenever I see a link to Newsmax, I know it is not worth reading. Their articles are always on the fanatical edge of right wing, and are almost never substantiated by other news sources. On the other hand, they may be great at fiction.

[corplinx]

The sad thing is, if it is true I wouldn't be surprised at all. Maybe someone from newsmax could do their own version of Mike Walker's "pick the fake headline".

[Gem]

Follow up: I can't find the People magazine source. They also don't give the name of their source for afghanistan.

The sad thing is, if it is true I wouldn't be surprised at all. Maybe someone from newsmax could do their own version of Mike Walker's "pick the fake headline".

Just look at the bottom of the article.

Gem

[ArmchairPhysicist]

This is pretty standard practice, waiting for the dinner guest to arrive before beginning dinner. Serving the dinner guest first is pretty standard etiquette as well. Consideration for the guest's busy schedule is fairly normal as well.

With regards to this particular dinner engagement, it's fairly normal for chow to be delayed while awaiting the arrival of some visiting dignitary. It's also pretty normal for the dignitary to be brought to the head of the line. Further, most dignitaries are not only on a short timetable that pushes their departures, they are also completely unaware of the mess they've caused. They don't intend to screw up dinner, and don't generally know they've screwed anything up.

In other words, I seriously doubt that Hilary called ahead and said "Don't let them start without me, I'll only be two hours late", and I doubt that she demanded front-line treatment. More likely, the unit commanders wouldn't start until the guest got there, and rushed her to the front of the line so she could get on with her other appointments after a few photos.

Just like any other visitor.

[WildCat]

I wouldn't trust newsmax if they said the sun would rise tomorrow, still I doubt that many US troops were excited about eating w/ Hillary. They know when they're being used for political ends, and I haven't seen any stories featuring the troops cheering wildly when she showed up.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Tricky

Whenever I see a link to Newsmax, I know it is not worth reading. Their articles are always on the fanatical edge of right wing, and are almost never substantiated by other news sources. On the other hand, they may be great at fiction.

I've already posted this to another thread based on a newsmax article.... I think you can judge a news service by the adds it runs (what level of intelligence do they imagine thier readers have if they run this sort of stuff)

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[Tricky]

Originally posted by The Fool
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[The Fool]

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[jj]

Ok, now what kind of disruption did the Shrub cause in his trip to Iraq?

Wanna bet it's 20x worse than anything Hillary caused?

But how come we don't see dishonest, obviously malicious, unethically represented articles about that?

Obviously, it's because of the trivially obvious, incontrovertable conservative bias in the news media!

[Mike B.]

Originally posted by The Fool


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[The Don]

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[Skeptic]

I'd like someone who understands more than I do (which I guess is anyone who lives in the US) to point out why this is rubbish. I mean it clearly is, but how can these people avoid presecution for fraud ?

Short answer: they don't. It's just that the justice department is pretty slow to act on such scams, for some reason, so they've got some time to make their money.

[gnome]

A bit late, but finally some more info

Came across this at Snopes

http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/chowdown.asp

[crackmonkey]

In other words, the story's true. I also found it amusing that 20 soldiers dined with Hillary, and only 6 asked for her autograph. Yeah, the troops love her...

[Zero]

*yawn*

Every military dog and pony show takes forever and pisses off the troops. Democrats, Republicans, celebrities, retiring generals...it is always a bunch of hurry up and wait going on in those situations. The idiocy is in someone actually reporting this nonsense and calling it 'news'.

[Abdul Alhazred]

Originally posted by jj
Ok, now what kind of disruption did the Shrub cause in his trip to Iraq?

Wanna bet it's 20x worse than anything Hillary caused?


Irrelevant.

The troops had guns in their pockets AND were glad to see him.

That's what counts. :p

[NightG1]

Originally posted by crackmonkey
In other words, the story's true. I also found it amusing that 20 soldiers dined with Hillary, and only 6 asked for her autograph. Yeah, the troops love her...
The only thing amusing is that you find anything relevant in a discredited story from scaifemax(tm)

[King of the Americas]

...is blatantly politically biased.

First of all it is SENATOR Clinton, just like it is PRESIDENT Bush, regardless of how much I personally disapprove of his policies.

Secondly, when the President went to Iraq, some 200 soliders were DENIED a turkey dinner at all, and were reduced to MRE's for their Thanksgiving Dinner. And that was for 'security' reasons, as the soliders were questioned as to their political beliefs before their were allowed to dine with the President...

As with ANY situation, some people are going to be pleased with the situation, and some won't be.

'I' probably wouldn't asked the President for his autograph, but that doesn't mean I don't support and respect him as my sitting President.

And if 14 of the 20 didn't ask Senator Clinton for her autograph, maybe they too still 'respect' her as one of their Senators anyways.

Why didn't this story just say that, "Senator Clinton 'attempted' to spread a little Holiday cheer by eating Thanksgiving Dinner with a small group of soliders in Iraq."

No need for emotional biased or trying to characterize how people there felt.

[Agammamon]

I don't particularly like Clinton, but I try to be as reasonable and unbiased as possible, and being in the military I can perhaps provide a little perspective on this topic.

Did the troops have to wait for H to show up and allow her to cut into line in front of them? Probably. So what? That's not anything unique to her. It's pretty much SOP for any visit by a VIP.

When W showed up to carve the turkey do you think the troops would have been allowed to start without him?

There are many reasons to dislike the Clinton's (or indeed any politician) but this isn't one of them (unless you're going to hold it against everyone else also).

[King of the Americas]

Maybe you should read MY retort.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by King of the Americas
...is blatantly politically biased.

Fir

A politically biased thread on this forum? when was the last time that happened? :D

[Crossbow]

Originally posted by Richard G

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2003/12/2/11616.shtml

They had a hard time finding troops who wanted to eat with her. No surprise really. This is SOP for Politburo members.

Well then I guess it a good thing that you were not in the US military because that sort of crap happens all the time.

Once, there was a rather bad fire on my ship and a couple of days later an admiral paid a visit to the ship in order to inspect the damage. So one of the things I got to do was buff the floor of one of the compartments that was almost destroyed by the fire.

After this was done, the NCO in charge said "this place looks like a sh*t house!".

To which I responded with, "Well what do you expect? There was a major fire in here two days ago."

So of course, I was the one with the bad attitude.

[VicDaring]

Originally posted by Crossbow
...So of course, I was the one with the bad attitude.

Ah, yes. The life of the junior enlisted. I remember it well (if not fondly).

[Bottle or the Gun]

Originally posted by Crossbow
So of course, I was the one with the bad attitude.

Speaking of attitudes:
In New Mexico years ago we had to paint a condemmed barracks because of some visitor that was going to tour it (Don' t tour a barracks with people in it, might have someone answer a question honestly if they get asked). The place was so old that the blocks of concrete were soft and chunks would fall off. We were also given this Pepto-Bismol colored paint to do the job with. When we were done our Chief MSgt came through and said it wasn't good enough and that it had to be done again, this time with white paint (which took several coats because the pink showed through). My comment to him then was "How much make-up does this ugly b*tch have to wear before you'll f*ck her?"

That one almost cost me a stripe.

[Agammamon]

Originally posted by King of the Americas
Maybe you should read MY retort.

Oh, I did and agree with it.

This sort of thing seems more like people looking for an excuse to complain about her than any legitimate gripe.

[Bottle or the Gun]

Other than she is proof of evil-incarnate, why do people hate Hillary so much?

[Mr Manifesto]

Originally posted by Bottle or the Gun
Other than she is proof of evil-incarnate, why do people hate Hillary so much?

Female Democrat Senator + Husband of Democrat ex-Two-Termer = Focus of Hate for Morons Between Gun Threads.

[Bottle or the Gun]

Ohhh, I see. Actually, other than she's a politician, she doesn't seem too bad.