Raptureready.com Commentary on Joyce Myer and the Prophets of prophet

[billiefan2000]

I wanna hear your comments on what is said at:


http://www.raptureready.com/rap16.html



Cause I believe the TBN Punks are greedy and are doing it for the money and power and not trying to serve the Lord Jesus Christ whom they claim to serve.


Plus,I am outraged that these spawns of Robert Tilton arent being ciriticized by the Christian Community.


I guess that means,that Christianity tolerates the Robert Tilton types in the Churches of today,but didnt tolerate years ago,the Robert Tilton of the 70's who was Robert Tilton.

[c4ts]

Do you get HBO? You'd probably like the show Carnivale. It's very apocalyptic, more so than this man's opinion of other churches.

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by c4ts
Do you get HBO? You'd probably like the show Carnivale. It's very apocalyptic, more so than this man's opinion of other churches.

I have seen Carnivale,and it is a cool show. Clancy Brown from the film Flubber and the original Highlander film is on that show.


By the way,c4ts,it isnt just the RR who thinks the some of the preachers on TBN such as Meyers and Hinn and Crouch have become a insult to Christianity.


http://www.texemarrs.com/cgi-bin/miva?Merchant/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=catalog&Product_Code=endtimes_unmasked&Category_Code=Videos

that is about:

Endtimes Revivals Unmasked—Wolves Among the Sheep: Are many world-famous, celebrity televangelists and preachers satan worshipper in disguise? Watch as Kenneth Copeland, Jesse Duplantis, Benny Hinn, John Avanzini, Rodney Howard-Browne, Jerry Savelle, and others give the "El Diablo" horned devil in public. Hear some actually praise their Master, Satan. Judge the evidence for yourself. But be prepared to be shocked out of your mind when you see these startling things!

[Suddenly]

They aren't likely Satan worshipers. They are just greedy scum, people that have no faith but know that others with faith can be manipulated.

The only time I think more highly of someone for believing in this sort of thing is when they are preaching it for a living. It's the difference between fraud and just being wrong. I'm not really offended by people that believe; they just see things differently. Those that don't that swindle those that do is a whole different story.

Don't fall for that "Satan" stuff. In many ways it is giving those folks too much credit, and it allows a deflection of blame.

[the_ignored]

Gotta LOVE the paranioa:

Nativity scenes and the Ten Commandments cannot be displayed in public places; anyone who protests against these anti-God things are branded right-wing, fundamentalist religious Neanderthal bigots and homophobes.

How long can it be until the modern sodomites come knocking at our church doors, and even our private homes, demanding that we who follow Christ denounce our “perverted” beliefs, or pay the punitive price exacted by a society which has become “enlightened” by today’s new, renaissance thinking?

What a pathetic whiner! Just because people are speaking out against the gov't giving christiainity a PREFERRED position, he sees it, and uses it as a sign of "persecution" than goes on to say that soon, the "sodomites" will "come knocking at their church and home doors"!

This kind of crap is why I never listen to them when they try to say that they had NOTHING to do with stuff like the killing of Matthew Shepard. If it wasn't for the continous rants like that which make people believe in a "homosexual agenda", that would, I wager, never have happened!

[c4ts]

The whole thing is just one big opinion. It's not even fact, only the interpretation of it.

[triadboy]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Cause I believe the TBN Punks are greedy and are doing it for the money and power and not trying to serve the Lord Jesus Christ whom they claim to serve.

They can twist the bible to say anything - just like the rapture folks. Televangelists are like the Catholic Church selling indulgencies - only they make their money off widows sitting alone in front of the TV.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I'm a big fan of the TBN Punks! Whoever they are.

[UnrepentantSinner]

Texe Marrs! Thanks for reminding me about one of my favorite conspiracy kooks.

I used to own this book of his:
http://www.texemarrs.com/images/coicover.gif

But that was back when I was willing to give money to charlatans for their product. I budgeted it as "entertainment."

[c4ts]

Looks like every religion except Christianity is involved. It figures a paranoid Christian would write something like that.

[phildonnia]

Does Benny Hinn _really_ make $100M a year? That seems a little high to be credible. A google search turns up some sites estimating between $250k and $1M for Hinn's salary.

Even this is pretty appalling; why would the RR people feel the need to inflate it so badly?

[Roadtoad]

You know something? If people are stupid enough to keep sending money to Benny Hinn and his ilk, then by God, let Benny and crew keep the money! They've earned it.

Seriously: If you choose to be stupid, you should pay for it.

[c4ts]

I don't think these people would pay for it if they understood how stupid it is.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by c4ts
I don't think these people would pay for it if they understood how stupid it is.

When my wife and I were visiting a friend in Atlanta, we ate at The Vortex in Little Five Points. The waitstaff all wore t-shirts which read: "Stupidity should be painful."

I want one of those shirts. Extra Large, please.

[LFTKBS]

Originally posted by the_ignored
the "sodomites" will "come knocking at their church and home doors"!

That's a good idea. I should go door-to-door bugging people about deconverting.

[Marc]

Originally posted by the_ignored
What a pathetic whiner! Just because people are speaking out against the gov't giving christiainity a PREFERRED position, he sees it, and uses it as a sign of "persecution" than goes on to say that soon, the "sodomites" will "come knocking at their church and home doors"!


Hmmm... don't we have the opposite happening now? Don't we have Christians (mostly mormons and JW) comming to knock on our home doors, demanding that we denounce "perverted" beliefs of equal rights for homosexuals, atheists, and minority religions, or pay the punitive price exacted by a society which has become “enlightened” by the word of god?

[Funkenstien]

Hmmm... don't we have the opposite happening now? Don't we have Christians (mostly mormons and JW) comming to knock on our home doors, demanding that we denounce "perverted" beliefs of equal rights for homosexuals, atheists, and minority religions, or pay the punitive price exacted by a society which has become “enlightened” by the word of god?

No! Chrisitans hide in there homes! They can't even worship the way they want to! Every day the live in fear of being persecuted for there beliefs, or thrown to the lions!! Damn that Emperor Nemo and his holier than thou ways... While just the other day when I went to the river to get water I was saying to my Roman master....

Oh wait a min... Ya you're right.

ha ha HA!




:D

[Charlie in Dayton]

Originally posted by LFTKBS


That's a good idea. I should go door-to-door bugging people about deconverting.

Didn't you forget an 'er' in there somewhere? :eek:

[calladus]

Sidetrack for just a second . . . This is relevant! I promise!

In the popular American variety show, "The Carol Burnett Show" there was a skit where Harvey Korman dresses in drag as a older woman with big. . . endowment. Harvey is a big guy anyway, at 6' 2".

In this skit, actor Tim Conway, who is 5' 10" plays a purse snatcher. Decked out in a black cap and black mask across his eyes.

I don't remember the entire set up to this skit, but at one point the slightly built Tim Conway has tried and failed to grab Harvey's purse, and now only wants escape. Harvey is using said purse to wallop Tim over the head, while clutching Tim's arm with his other hand.

During this Harvey is yelling for the police, yelling something to the effect, "Save me! I'm being mugged!" while clobbering poor Tim with this industrial sized purse, "Won't anyone help a poor helpless old woman?" WHAP! WHAP! WHAP!

When ever I hear of any Christian talking about how they are alone and persecuted for their beliefs - I immediately identify them with the big woman played by Harvey Korman.

When they scream "Help me! I'm being attacked!" all I hear is WHAP! WHAP! WHAP!

No creature as big as Christianity is very believable when the cower in terror from such a small, unorganized minority.

[Bentspoon]

My former sister-in-law sent an e-mail chain letter addressed to good Christians everywhere to stop an FCC petition that atheist conspiracy organizations had generated to ban the use of the word "god" on television. Of course this is BS and I sent her the webpage that the FCC has generated for this one rumor (it is that pervasive).

Now the last time I watched a movie on TNT, the "God damns" were all "gBLEEP damn"

So it is true, you can't say GOD on television but guess who made that happen.

Bentspoon

[headscratcher4]

"sodomites" will "come knocking at their church and home doors"!

Will the sodomites be as annoying as the Jehova's Witnesses? WIll they were name-tags and thin, out of date ties like the Mormons?

[Skeptical Greg]

Originally posted by LFTKBS


That's a good idea. I should go door-to-door bugging people about deconverting.

Ehhh.. Wouldn't that be ' buggering " ? :D

[headscratcher4]

Originally posted by Diogenes


Ehhh.. Wouldn't that be ' buggering " ? :D

especially if it were one of them roving, door knocking sodomites.

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by UnrepentantSinner
Texe Marrs! Thanks for reminding me about one of my favorite conspiracy kooks.

I used to own this book of his:
http://www.texemarrs.com/images/coicover.gif

But that was back when I was willing to give money to charlatans for their product. I budgeted it as "entertainment."

Texe marrs is a joke a loser. He is like that Stan Johnson of the Prophecy Club creep. No one in the Christian Community takes Marrs or Stan seriously.


c4ts,you made a good point and I think people need to be educated on how deceiving guys like:


Benny Hinn
Marilyn Hickey
Kim Clement
Juanita Bynum
Rod Parsley
Joyce Meyers
Fred Price
Joel Osteen

to name a few of the con-man/tv preachers and people need to be told what these guys are doing.

[pgwenthold]

Originally posted by calladus
Sidetrack for just a second . . . This is relevant! I promise!

In the popular American variety show, "The Carol Burnett Show" there was a skit where Harvey Korman dresses in drag as a older woman with big. . . endowment. Harvey is a big guy anyway, at 6' 2".

In this skit, actor Tim Conway, who is 5' 10" plays a purse snatcher. Decked out in a black cap and black mask across his eyes.

I don't remember the entire set up to this skit, but at one point the slightly built Tim Conway has tried and failed to grab Harvey's purse, and now only wants escape. Harvey is using said purse to wallop Tim over the head, while clutching Tim's arm with his other hand.

During this Harvey is yelling for the police, yelling something to the effect, "Save me! I'm being mugged!" while clobbering poor Tim with this industrial sized purse, "Won't anyone help a poor helpless old woman?" WHAP! WHAP! WHAP!

When ever I hear of any Christian talking about how they are alone and persecuted for their beliefs - I immediately identify them with the big woman played by Harvey Korman.



FYI, Tim Conway and Harvery Korman are currently are performing on the road. They are/were in the area, but unfortunately my wife's schedule prevents us from attending.

I would think it would be really funny.

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by billiefan2000


Texe marrs is a joke a loser. He is like that Stan Johnson of the Prophecy Club creep. No one in the Christian Community takes Marrs or Stan seriously.


c4ts,you made a good point and I think people need to be educated on how deceiving guys like:


Benny Hinn
Marilyn Hickey
Kim Clement
Juanita Bynum
Rod Parsley
Joyce Meyers
Fred Price
Joel Osteen

to name a few of the con-man/tv preachers and people need to be told what these guys are doing.

Sure, there's an easy way to do that. Paul told Timothy to show himself approved by studying, reading, learning all he could. It means, GET YOUR NOSE OUT OF THE BIBLE ONCE IN A WHILE AND READ A NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, AND GET YOUR @$$ OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, DUMBSH**!!!

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Roadtoad


Sure, there's an easy way to do that. Paul told Timothy to show himself approved by studying, reading, learning all he could. It means, GET YOUR NOSE OUT OF THE BIBLE ONCE IN A WHILE AND READ A NEWSPAPER OR MAGAZINE, AND GET YOUR @$$ OUT INTO THE REAL WORLD, DUMBSH**!!!


Roadtoad,how can you deny that some of the things that are said to happen before the 2nd Coming of Christ are happning now.

Also,how can Israel be a nation again if we arent close to the 2nd Coming of Christ

[GroundStrength]

Originally posted by billiefan2000



Roadtoad,how can you deny that some of the things that are said to happen before the 2nd Coming of Christ are happning now.

Also,how can Israel be a nation again if we arent close to the 2nd Coming of Christ

BF2K,

Have you agreed to Pahansiri's proposal yet? If indeed Jesus is fixin' to get ya, then now is the time!

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
Roadtoad,how can you deny that some of the things that are said to happen before the 2nd Coming of Christ are happning now.

Also,how can Israel be a nation again if we arent close to the 2nd Coming of Christ

Billiefan, let me clue you in on a few things:

1.) Jesus Himself said that in the last days, there would be those running around crying, "Here he is!" or "He's over there!" (Sort of like you're doing right now.) Jesus said to pay NO attention to that sort of thing.

2.) Some things is not ALL things.

3.) We do not know that this Israel is THE Israel mentioned in prophecy, and even if it is, does it not make more sense, as I keep saying over, and over, and over again, to live your life to the fullest and show compassion to all people? INSTEAD OF JAMMING YOUR F***ING FINGER IN EVERYONE'S FACE AND TELLING THEM WHAT A ROTTEN, INSIGNIFICANT, WORTHLESS SPECK THEY ARE, AND HOW THEY NEED TO REPENT?

4.) More than a few of the best Biblical scholars in this nation have pointed this out time and again, and it's time the American Church gets it through its thick head: there are people right now enduring tribulation that goes WAY beyond anything mentioned in Revelation. Some of them are enduring because of their faith in Christ. Some of them are enduring because of their belief in civil liberty. And some of them are enduring because of a desire to speak freely. Who are you, Billiefan, to judge who among them is suffering for righteousness?

There's also the matter of Pahansiri's proposal. Either take it up, or quit with the trolling.

[billiefan2000]

the bible also talks about scoffers in the last days as well

[Roadtoad]

Originally posted by billiefan2000
the bible also talks about scoffers in the last days as well

The Bible also condemns mockers, liars, cheats, thieves, adulterers, and whole host of others. I'd say you've covered mocker pretty well.

I'll repeat myself here: you are jamming your finger into everyone's face, telling them how worthless they are. Show me why I should listen to someone like you, or shut up.

[Kopji]

Nice televangelist list but not nearly long enough.

I see these people on TV almost every day, and the audiences are cheering and fainting throngs of thousands. Some evangelists have millions of viewers at home.


(excerpt)
Following is an alphabetical list of a new wave of popular word-faith ministers who have used television to build large followings:

Juanita Bynum
Reach: Her program, "Weapons of Power," is seen worldwide on TBN; she holds conferences throughout the United States.

Wealth: No information available.

In the news: In April, Bynum married Thomas Wesley Weeks III in the palatial Regent Wall Street Hotel in New York City. The ceremony featured a wedding party of 80, a platinum-colored satin bridal gown with a bodice covered in Swarovski crystals and a 7.76-carat diamond ring.

Kenneth and Gloria Copeland
Reach: Ministry Web site says its TV show, "Believer's Voice of Victory," is seen by more than 76 million households on nearly 700 U.S. stations. Show also airs on about 135 international stations.

Wealth: A ministry official estimates the ministry's annual revenue at $70 million.

Jan and Paul Crouch

Reach: The Crouches are owners of Trinity Broadcast Network, the world's largest Christian TV network. TBN reaches millions of viewers on more than 5,000 TV stations and 33 international satellites around the world.

Wealth: The Crouches and their son Paul Crouch Jr. said they earned a total of $855,000 last year. TBN's annual income exceeds $100 million a year, according to the Los Angeles Times. The ministry provides the Crouches a $10 million, 80-acre, eight-home ranch near Dallas and two Land Rovers that the Crouches drive. In 2001, the couple bought a $5 million oceanfront estate in Newport Beach, Calif.

Creflo Dollar

Reach: Dollar's "Changing Your World" TV program on TBN reaches 150 countries.

Wealth: The ministry's income is unavailable, but newspaper accounts say the ministry paid $18 million in cash for his new 8,000-seat World Changers Church International on the southern edge of Atlanta. He drives a black Rolls-Royce and travels in a $5 million private jet.

In the news: Dollar's ministry became a focus of a court case involving boxer Evander Holyfield in 1999. The lawyer for Holyfield's ex-wife estimated that the fighter gave Dollar's ministry $7 million. Dollar refused to testify in the case.

Marilyn Hickey

Reach: Her TV show, "Today with Marilyn," on the TBN and Black Entertainment Television networks can be seen around the world. She has offices in England, South Africa and Australia, and is on the board of Oral Roberts University.

Wealth: Her ministry occupies a 260,000-square-foot former shopping mall in Denver. No information on ministry or her personal wealth is available.

In the news: She has been dubbed the "fairy godmother of the word-faith movement" and "the mistress of mail-order madness," by the Texas-based Christian Sentinel, a ministry that monitors what it calls "religious deception." Hickey got the "mistress" name for her use of trinkets - blessed cornmeal, cloths, seeds and coins - sent out to followers to urge them to send in money.

Benny Hinn

Reach: Hinn's "This is Your Day" program is seen throughout the United States and in nearly 200 foreign countries.

Wealth: The ministry took in $60 million in 2001. A news story earlier this year in the Colorado Springs Gazette said annual income now exceeds $90 million. Hinn told CNN in 1997 that he drew an annual salary of $500,000 to $1 million a year. He has a $3.5 million home in the Los Angeles area and drives an $80,000 Mercedes-Benz G500.

In the news: A "Dateline" segment on NBC examined five of Hinn's faith-healing "miracles," showing that none of the people was cured and that one woman with lung cancer died nine months later.

Rodney Howard-Browne

Wealth: He and his wife, Adonica, oversee his $16 million church, which they founded in 1996. The couple live in a six-bedroom, four-bath lakefront home on Cory Lake in northwest Tampa. The home includes a dock, spa, pool and gazebo.

In the news: Howard-Browne has called himself the "bartender of holy laughter." Holy laughter was a controversial movement that swept evangelical circles in the mid-1990s. He would walk on stage laughing uncontrollably. The congregation would begin laughing. Howard-Browne would sweep his arm toward the crowd. People would appear "drunk on the Holy Spirit" and slide out of their chairs or dance in the aisles.


T.D. Jakes
Reach: Jakes' "The Potter's House" TV program is seen throughout the world on TBN and Black Entertainment Television. His ministry boasts more than 26,000 members. A rally at the Georgia Dome in 1999 drew more than 100,000 people.

Wealth: He has mansions in Charleston, W.Va., and Dallas.

Robert Tilton
Reach: He once ran his Farmers Branch Church in Dallas before scandal toppled it in the early 1990s. His show now airs on Black Entertainment Television and has a potential audience of 74 million homes.

Wealth: He is building a two-story home on a $1.39 million oceanfront lot on an island in Biscayne Bay off Miami Beach, and his ministry owns a 50-foot yacht. His ministry takes in about $24 million a year.

In the news: Tilton is rebounding after his ministry collapsed in scandal a decade ago amid news reports that prayer requests he said he personally prayed over were found in a trash bin after the money, food stamps and rings had been removed.

Randy and Paula White
Wealth: The Whites live in a $2.1 million, 8,000-square-foot home facing Tampa Bay. Their ministry owns a jet airplane, a Cadillac Escalade and a Mercedes-Benz sedan.

In the news: Paula White calls Joyce Meyer her mentor; Meyer visited their church in September.

Link (http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/special/joycemeyer.nsf/0/4E2FA20598C3EA2986256DE30018CF37?OpenDocument)

[Roadtoad]

Just got back from WalMart. You ever notice how many different books by Joyce Meyer they carry? Geez! How many ghostwriters can you hire and keep employed?

[billiefan2000]

Originally posted by Roadtoad
Just got back from WalMart. You ever notice how many different books by Joyce Meyer they carry? Geez! How many ghostwriters can you hire and keep employed?

Considering how many useful idiots Joyce Meyer and Paul Crouch and Benny Hinn have,I would probably say many.


Kopji,I agree


I think Joel Osteen and Rod Parsley and Eastman Curtis and Jesse Duplantis and Peter Popoff should have been mentiond on that list as well. They are all as corrupt as Meyers and Hinn and Crouch are