British creationism museum with pics

[geni]

Britians only creationism museum, the Genesis Expo down in Portsmouth. Well entry was free and I happened to be standing across the road from it and was slighly ahead of schedule. The photo quality isn't great because the place made me feel uncomfortable. Still lets begin. First the view from the street. Strangely if you don't know it's there (I'd run across a mention on wikipedia and run it through mulitmap at some point) you don't really notice it. Although you can't really see at this scale those windows are full of fossils they are trying to flog.

[geni]

Now this is the first of the Dioramas they are so proud of. This one is the probably the best of the lot. A mix of what are either fossils or reporductions of them and various notices with claims like no proto-reptile has ever been found and some stuff about no intermediate steps between scales and feathers.

[geni]

Another diorama. I didn't really catch the point of this one. ETA I think it was argueing that wasps han't changed much in the time since they were fossilised.

[geni]

In this diorama they were trying to make an argument that the differences on the protien level between species were not what evolution would predict. It mostly caught my attention because the best model they could think of to illustraight is was a mouse and a mousetrap.

[geni]

Okey this rather empty diorama was pushing the argument that both DNA in humans and computers were complicated. Since we would reject the idea of a computer appearing by chance we should reject the idea of DNA appearing by chance. As well as the normal flaws in this argument I started trying to work out if it was really that improbable that something that would qualify as a universal turing machine would appear naturaly.

[geni]

Through out they had various recordings playing through these speaker phone things.

[geni]

Finaly the real dinosaur eggs that they are so proud of. They were a bit on their own perhaps because the museum couldn't quite work out what to do with them.

[geni]

All in all a rather sad experience. The overall quality was really poor. I've visited low level museums in various parts of the country and although I've seen some pretty weak ones in my time the Genesis Expo was really bad. Below the level of temporary exhibitions put on by local history societies (which can be quite good due if only out of shear enthusiasm behind them).

On the surface a fair bit of effort had gone into the place. Everything worked, there were various buttons to push that did things and some effort had gone into some of the models. But well there were done as if someone had gone through a list of things a museum should have without really understanding them. The whole thing tended to be a bit random with the standard creationist arguments with a few random objects to illustrate them. Even if one was an ardent creationist I can't imagine that it would be a fun half hour or so.

The museum shop was fairly well stocked mind.

I tend to speculate that the museum exists more so that people can claim there is a creationism museum in the UK rather than for being a museum in it’s own right.

[foxholeatheist]

Wow, I figured that we Usians had the market cornered on woo based Museums.

Cool pictures. How many exhibits/dioramas were there? If what you took is all then it's fairly slim.

[geni]

Wow, I figured that we Usians had the market cornered on woo based Museums.

Cool pictures. How many exhibits/dioramas were there? If what you took is all then it's fairly slim.

12 dioramas but there was little worth photographing. An ardent creationist might take half an hour or so to get around.

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

Yay! The USA isn't the only stoopid any more.

~~ Paul

[Kittyclaws]

Yay! The USA isn't the only stoopid any more.

~~ Paul


Yeah, but we do it stoopider than everone else. :P

[Kiosk]

You also do it with a lot more flash, to be fair.

Looking at the quality of that museum, bearing in mind that Portsmouth is visited mostly by people who are primarily interested in ships, and considering the likelihood of the average British family (much less the average British school) organising a day trip to a Creationist Museum, I wonder just how many of these that place will be seeing any time soon:

http://www.hayadan.org.il/wp/wp-content/uploads/people/DarwinTenPoundNote.jpeg

Maybe they'd insist on two fives, anyway.

[geni]

You also do it with a lot more flash, to be fair.

Looking at the quality of that museum, bearing in mind that Portsmouth is visited mostly by people who are primarily interested in ships, and considering the likelihood of the average British family (much less the average British school) organising a day trip to a Creationist Museum, I wonder just how many of these that place will be seeing any time soon:


With the cost of some of the items in the shop it would only take a few creationist fossil fans.

[Professor Yaffle]

I'm going to be in Portsmouth for a day quite soon - I was going to take the family and instruct them all to point and laugh loudly. If it's that shoddy, I might not bother.

[geni]

I'm going to be in Portsmouth for a day quite soon - I was going to take the family and instruct them all to point and laugh loudly. If it's that shoddy, I might not bother.

Total staff consisted of one old guy and there was one other visitor while I was there. Frankly I would have felt guiltly. I don't really think it is set up to try and gain converts more preach to the converted.

[Big Les]

It may the country's only creationist museum, but we are also blessed with a creationist zoo...

http://www.noahsarkzoofarm.co.uk/

As for this "museum", the displays look atrocious. Very sparse, badly designed, early '80s in style, seemingly no genuine objects other than the dinosaur eggs. Bearing in mind I can't actually read any captions, I certainly can't work out what each case is trying to convey.

I assume they aren't MLA accredited (or "registered", the previous version of the standard)? -
http://www.mla.gov.uk/what/raising_standards/accreditation

Mind you, neither are the Witchcraft Museum in Cornwall, and I have a soft spot for that.

[geni]

It may the country's only creationist museum, but we are also blessed with a creationist zoo...

http://www.noahsarkzoofarm.co.uk/

As for this "museum", the displays look atrocious. Very sparse, badly designed, early '80s in style, seemingly no genuine objects other than the dinosaur eggs. Bearing in mind I can't actually read any captions, I certainly can't work out what each case is trying to convey.

Well one of their quotes comes from 1994 so must date from after that.


This is the caption for the display with the RAM chips and DNA double helix in:

[Robert Oz]

It may the country's only creationist museum, but we are also blessed with a creationist zoo...

http://www.noahsarkzoofarm.co.uk/


What do they feed the carnivores? ;)

[UnrepentantSinner]

I'd like to make a snark filled criticism, but they're really just too pathetic for me to mock.

[Wowbagger]

This is the caption for the display with the RAM chips and DNA double helix in:
The science of Information Theory tells us that information only comes from an intelligent source.Someone better alert the folks using Information Theory to describe sunsets, mountains, volcanic eruptions, and tornadoes! :jaw-dropp

[ChrisC]

Thanks for the photo tour! I like their building.

[BTMO]

There are some *very* cool museums in the UK - I *really* want to go back there.

I doubt I will visit that museum though...

:D

[Big Les]

Well one of their quotes comes from 1994 so must date from after that.

Early '80s in style, not necessarily actual date. They patently haven't a clue about how to design a modern museum display.

[kitakaze]

Now this is the first of the Dioramas they are so proud of. This one is the probably the best of the lot. A mix of what are either fossils or reporductions of them and various notices with claims like no proto-reptile has ever been found and some stuff about no intermediate steps between scales and feathers.

Morons.

Somebody should be kind enough to let them no nobody is wondering about elongated scales anymore. Feathers began as a fine, downy insulation on warm-blooded theropods with a central stalk and simple branching structure. They started simply as integumentary tubes of keratinous skin.

Very cool show the YEC whackos should watch:

The Dinosaur Feather Mystery (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFKnY_YCu2s&feature=PlayList&p=F1911964F1ECA3D8&index=8).

Some creatures you won't be hearing about in that museum:

Deinonychus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinonychus)

Sinosauropteryx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinosauropteryx)

Protoarchaeopteryx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protarchaeopteryx)

Caudipteryx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caudipteryx)

Microraptor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microraptor)

The clade of coelurosaurian dinosaurs Maniraptora (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniraptora).

[Ranb]

So were the displays mostly "this is an example of why evolution is wrong, therefore ID is right"? Or did they have anything in there that supported their ID theory that did not also take a stab at evolution?

Most of what I read that is supposed to support ID are "facts" that show evolution is wrong, therefore ID is the only thing left that can explain things.

Ranb

[geni]

So were the displays mostly "this is an example of why evolution is wrong, therefore ID is right"? Or did they have anything in there that supported their ID theory that did not also take a stab at evolution?

Most of what I read that is supposed to support ID are "facts" that show evolution is wrong, therefore ID is the only thing left that can explain things.

Ranb

Not ID. Pure creationist. Didin't imediately pick up any pro creation arguments. but those were probably in the video I was not prepared to watch.

[geni]

There are some *very* cool museums in the UK - I *really* want to go back there.

I doubt I will visit that museum though...

:D

Well from the entrance to the museum you can see this which was under construction when darwin was finaliseing and publishing On the Origin of Species.

[Tricky]

The Witchcraft Museum (http://www.museumofwitchcraft.com/) in Cornwall (Bocastle, to be more specific) was, in contrast, well done and fairly interesting. I don't think they took themselves quite so seriously.

[LilaMae]

In this diorama they were trying to make an argument that the differences on the protien level between species were not what evolution would predict. It mostly caught my attention because the best model they could think of to illustraight is was a mouse and a mousetrap.

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14322&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1245189434

Is that a cock in your diorama, or are you just.....ok nevermind.

[kitakaze]

I just sent the following email to the Genesis Expo and the Creation Science Movement of the UK...

"Your Genesis Expo museum in Portsmouth has various notices with claims like no proto-reptile has ever been found and some stuff about no intermediate steps between scales and feathers.

This is unfortunately unfounded misinformation. Feathers began as a fine, downy insulation on warm-blooded theropods with a central stalk and simple branching structure. They started simply as integumentary tubes of keratinous skin. The idea that feathers developed ready for flight from elongated scales has been compltetly disproven.

Your Genesis Expo completely ignores species like Deinonychus, Sinosauropteryx, Protoarchaeopteryx, Caudipteryx, Microraptor, and the entire clade of coelurosaurian dinosaurs Maniraptora. It basically tells the exact opposite of the truth. Christianity is a wonderful religion. It doesn't need to rely on denial of science and misinformation to gain support.

I suppose it is unreasonable to expect a museum devoted to Creationism to acknowledge the truth as shown by modern fossil finds and paleontological investigation but something really should be done about false claims of no intermediary forms existing. The ones I listed above are just some of the many.

Here is the URL address to an excellent program detailing the latest information and facts of avian evolution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFKnY_YCu2s&feature=PlayList&p=F1911964F1ECA3D8&index=8

Kind regards."

Here is the contact for the museum:

https://www.csm.org.uk/contactus.php

Let's send them some respectful complaints regarding their misinformation.

[kitakaze]

http://forums.randi.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=14322&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1245189434

Is that a cock in your diorama, or are you just.....ok nevermind.

Why yes, it is a cock in my diorama and yes, he's happy to see you. Someone may have told you he's a little dinosaur but don't you believe a word of it. He won't bite and he's very soft. By all means, please go ahead and touch him. :D

[geni]

Okey to I happened to be in the area again and I've got an odd sense of humor. The sign next to their enterace advertises their appearence in the new scientist. Not sure what that says.

[geni]

Okey this pic shows the general layout. Its three coridoors like this in well an S shape. The theme appears to be "dark and narrow".

[geni]

The first diorama again. This time head on so you can read the labels.

[geni]

They have a 20ft Dinosaur model. Probably because trying to tell kids that dinosaurs didn't exist is a great way to ensure that creationism dies out after one generation. This photo only covers part of it but you are not missing much.

[mazyloron]

Well one of their quotes comes from 1994 so must date from after that.


This is the caption for the display with the RAM chips and DNA double helix in:

What, exactly, is a "megachip"?

I know what the sticks of RAM are in the picture this caption goes with, and I know what a megabyte is. But, what is a "megachip"? I've not heard that term before.

Or, are they just making stuff up and misusing words they don't understand in order to prove their pre-determined conclusion? Because, you know, that would be awfully unexpected from a bunch of creationists. ;)

[geni]

Okey this diorama is trying to argue that 1) sometimes large amounts of sediment gets laid down quickly (true) and 2) it always happens that way( not so much). That said it's still probably one of their better displays.

[geni]

The second corridor. Slightly lighter but still not very. They crank up the volume a bit here so as you walk along you can hear this wierd french voice calling evolution a fairly tail for grownups. Irony meters may vapourise at this point so be careful.

[geni]

Okey this diorama was trying to attack our current models of abiogensis. They go after the Miller-Urey experiment but I thought that had already been largely abandoned.

[godless dave]

Okey this diorama was trying to attack our current models of abiogensis. They go after the Miller-Urey experiment but I thought that had already been largely abandoned.

No, it hasn't been abandoned. It got useful results. Since then we've learned more about the chemical makeup of the early earth, and also learned what organic chemicals are found on asteroids and comets.

[geni]

They also had a polystyrine grave for evolution with a bunch of anti evolution quotes underneith it. A kinda diorama version of saying "I won this debate".

[Big Les]

That "T-Rex" is embarassingly poor. I don't have words to describe my thoughts on the "gravestone".

[erlando]

I don't have words to describe my thoughts on the "gravestone".

I have..

Ignorant, lying ****s!

[Aitch]

Not to diss your enlightening report, but I suspect this place (http://www.pencilmuseum.co.uk/) would be more interesting and educational.

Or this place (http://www.qype.co.uk/place/127762-London-Sewing-Machine-Museum-London). ;)

[Undesired Walrus]

For those who are upset by this place in Portsmouth, let me reassure you with this picture, taken of a statue that looks out onto the thronging crowds in the main hall of the Natural History Museum, London:

http://lettershometoyou.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/london-museum-natural-history-charles-darwin-statue.jpg

[Earthborn]

What, exactly, is a "megachip"?Considering the state of technology at the time that adding "mega" to anything still sounded impressive -- and someone already mentioned 1994 -- I am going to guess: a memory chip for 1 megabyte or more. I guess they should update the caption to read "gigachip".

The human genome apparently contains about 750 million bytes, which is indeed a fairly substantial amount. But if you stack up 1MiB SIMMs all on top of each other until you have enough capacity to store it, according to my calculations (correct me if I am wrong, I'm no maths whiz) you reach a height of:
still a long way away from the moon.

Another way to guess what they might mean with the term "megachip" is by comparing calculating how much it would store for it to be 45 million million times less efficient as information carrier. The human genome is about 750 million bytes, so the megachip is 750 million / 45 million million =
Not a whole lot of information. About a thousand times less thanhalf a folded, bent, spindled and mutilated IBM punchcard (I guesstimate).

[BTMO]

For those who are upset by this place in Portsmouth, let me reassure you with this picture, taken of a statue that looks out onto the thronging crowds in the main hall of the Natural History Museum, London:

http://lettershometoyou.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/london-museum-natural-history-charles-darwin-statue.jpg

I have a similar photo of me standing there, too!

However, I was deeply jetlagged and had just recovered from a bout of gastro / food poisoning (and guess what a winning combination THAT is!) - so I won't be posting it.

[Big Les]

I see you your pencil museum, and raise you...

BAROMETER WORLD (http://www.lookwest.co.uk/tourism/barometer.htm)!!!

[Aitch]

I laugh at see your barometer museum and raise you a Cheese museum (http://www.wensleydale.co.uk/museum.html)!



You do realise this will be split off to AAH very soon?

[BTMO]

I have a Norwegian friend ... actually, I have several, but I am thinking of one in particular.

She comes from a town not far from the Swedish border.

In her town, there is a peat museum.

Apparently, it is so interesting, and so successful that the locals... cross the border to buy cheap booze.

[P.J. Denyer]

Near me (just outside Aylesbury) is 'Goat World', it doesn't even have a website. However to get there I would have to pass the Chiltern Brewery so sadly I've never made it that far!

As a born and bred Pompeyite, although I nolonger live there, I'm really saddened that my home city has this particular distinction.

[supercorgi]

Not to diss your enlightening report, but I suspect this place (http://www.pencilmuseum.co.uk/) would be more interesting and educational.

Or this place (http://www.qype.co.uk/place/127762-London-Sewing-Machine-Museum-London). ;)

I've got you beat. Near where I live is the Plumbing Museum (http://theplumbingmuseum.org/)!

[Aitch]

I've got you beat. Near where I live is the Plumbing Museum (http://theplumbingmuseum.org/)!

Now you're just taking the piss! :D

[geni]

A couple of reviews by others make interesting reading:

http://www.evilburnee.co.uk/2009/03/genesis-expo-portsmouth-uk-part-1.html

http://naturenet.net/blogs/index.php/2009/03/08/inside_the_uk_s_creationist_museum_part_1

[Paul W]

geni:

I may well agree with your arguments, but they would be rather more convincing if you actually learned to write coherent and accurately spelled English. It's not difficult: use a spell and grammar checker.

[Denver]

...

The museum shop was fairly well stocked mind.

I tend to speculate that the museum exists more so that people can claim there is a creationism museum in the UK rather than for being a museum in it’s own right.

I tend to speculate further that the museum itself is just a form of advertising to get people into the shop. That way, in this free museum, whether you are a believer, curious, or science-based visitor, you pay them something, if for nothing else, the memory.

[Big Les]

I laugh at see your barometer museum and raise you a Cheese museum (http://www.wensleydale.co.uk/museum.html)!



You do realise this will be split off to AAH very soon?

HA! Behold the majesty of....Gnome Magic (http://www.gnomemagic.co.uk/)!!!

[shandyjan]

Oh, enjoyable thread, lots of pics,info and banter. (except for the grammar police bit)
I'd love to see the ship, but the museum wont be on my list of places to visit if we get that far down South :D

[Akhenaten]

geni:

I may well agree with your arguments, but they would be rather more convincing if you actually learned to write coherent and accurately spelled English. It's not difficult: use a spell and grammar checker.


You forgot to add a smiley. You wouldn't want people thinking this was a serious criticism, now would you?

[Maia]

You know, as odd as this may sound, I just love the architecture of the building itself (as seen from the exterior.) I wonder what its history is?

[Akhenaten]

Thanks for the photo tour! I like their building.


You know, as odd as this may sound, I just love the architecture of the building itself (as seen from the exterior.) I wonder what its history is?


It doesn't sound odd to me. It was one of my first thoughts as well. :)

It reminds me in some ways of the surface buildings of the original London tube stations, but it's obviously not one of them, unless the tube system is considerably larger than I'd previously thought.

[shandyjan]

Pic of The Hard here circa 1890

http://www.francisfrith.com/portsmouth/photos/the-hard-1890_22751/

The building is on the waterfront

[scarlettinlondon]

HA! Behold the majesty of....Gnome Magic (http://www.gnomemagic.co.uk/)!!!

I pour scorn on your GNOME MUSEUM

and release the magnificance that is the

KNITTING MUSEUM

http://strikkelise.blogspot.com/2007/08/selbu-knitting-museum.html

[Aitch]

May I just apologise to geni for these silly interruptions.

While quietly sneaking in this (http://www.phallus.is/).

[Madalch]

Alberta has the Gopher Hole Museum (http://www.jky.net/albums/gopher-museum_index.html), with lots of stuffed gophers pretending to be people.

[geni]

You know, as odd as this may sound, I just love the architecture of the building itself (as seen from the exterior.) I wonder what its history is?

With it's location I would guess guest house or pub.

[catbasket]

Anyone up for a UK version of the SSA hordes decending on the US creation museum? Maybe one or two of us could turn up at the Portsmouth museum, decide we can't be bothered to go in, and go for a nice cup of tea and some cake. Or beer and a pub lunch.

[edd]

I live literally around the corner from this horror. The soup display has to be my favourite, declaring that abiogenesis in a primordial soup "would be a nightmare for the soup canning industry" (or words mostly like those).
Anyone up for a UK version of the SSA hordes decending on the US creation museum? Maybe one or two of us could turn up at the Portsmouth museum, decide we can't be bothered to go in, and go for a nice cup of tea and some cake. Or beer and a pub lunch.
It will indeed have to be one or two of us, you can't fit a horde in the place. Plenty of bars and cafes nearby though!

[PaulJ]

A couple of reviews by others make interesting reading:

LINK REDACTED

LINK REDACTED

Thanks geni, that first link (to "Notes from an Evil Burnee") is mine :)

(As a newbie here I can't post links yet, so I've redacted those in the quote above.)

Some here have remarked on the museum's external facade - FYI it used to be the National Westminster Bank, and the Creation Science Movement bought it at a knock-down price right before the nearby area was scheduled to be redeveloped with the Gunwharf Quays shopping centre and the Spinnaker Tower.

[Big Les]

OK, the penismuseum wins. My ace in the hole was going to be this (http://www.diggerland.com/).

[BillC]

My ace in the hole was going to be this (http://www.diggerland.com/).
When cycling through that area a few weeks ago, I noticed 'Diggerland' ahead on the map, and said to myself something like "Haha, what's that? A theme park devoted to mechanical diggers? Hahaha. No, seriously, I wonder what that is."

Then, when I went right past the place, that was precisely what it was.

[Doubt]

Alberta has the Gopher Hole Museum (http://www.jky.net/albums/gopher-museum_index.html), with lots of stuffed gophers pretending to be people.

Never got a chance to see the place, thanks to not departing a job site early enough. But ladies and gentlemen! I give you the Spam Museum:

http://www.spam.com/games/Museum/default.aspx

[BillC]

Alberta has the Gopher Hole Museum (http://www.jky.net/albums/gopher-museum_index.html), with lots of stuffed gophers pretending to be people.
OK, that one's bad. Really, really bad.

ETA: Exhibit A (http://www.jky.net/albums/gopher-museum/html/IMGP5402.html).

[PaulJ]

Thanks geni, that first link (to "Notes from an Evil Burnee") is mine :)

(As a newbie here I can't post links yet, so I've redacted those in the quote above.)

Some here have remarked on the museum's external facade - FYI it used to be the National Westminster Bank, and the Creation Science Movement bought it at a knock-down price right before the nearby area was scheduled to be redeveloped with the Gunwharf Quays shopping centre and the Spinnaker Tower.

Actually (to correct my own mistake) Genesis Expo is housed in the former National Provincial Bank.

[ingoa]

Beer museum (http://www.bier-und-oktoberfestmuseum.de/english/dahoam.html) for the win!

[eccles]

Fancy trying to hoodwink the POMS.. It is easy with Yanks and their defective mentality, but the POMS.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/338944a854c41d0f86.png (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=17258)

[Orphia Nay]

Here's a great photo gallery of the exhibits in the Portsmouth Creation Museum:

http://picasaweb.google.com/aorellana/CreationMuseum

Factastic! ;)

[Jack by the hedge]

When cycling through that area a few weeks ago, I noticed 'Diggerland' ahead on the map, and said to myself something like "Haha, what's that? A theme park devoted to mechanical diggers? Hahaha. No, seriously, I wonder what that is."

Then, when I went right past the place, that was precisely what it was.

Diggerworld is awesome. Not to be missed if you have kids or are a big kid yourself. They let you play with big mechanical diggers! What could be more brilliant?

PS I'm quite relaxed about the creation museum - obviously nobody visits it. The clue is right there in post #8: "everything worked". So they've obviously never had a single school party through their door. QED

[Ririon]

I have a Norwegian friend ... actually, I have several, but I am thinking of one in particular.

She comes from a town not far from the Swedish border.

In her town, there is a peat museum.

Apparently, it is so interesting, and so successful that the locals... cross the border to buy cheap booze.
Lofoten Peat Museum (http://www.lofoten-torvmuseum.no/english/torvmuseet.htm)

A bit too far to drive. Too bad. I have been to some great "peat museums" on Islay in Scotland. ;)

ETA: Some futher googling suggests that there are many peat museums in Norway. (This particular one is quite far from Sweden.) Who knew we were so much fun.

[Cainkane1]

How sad. Nice displays but such garbled science.

[zooterkin]

PS I'm quite relaxed about the creation museum - obviously nobody visits it. The clue is right there in post #8: "everything worked". So they've obviously never had a single school party through their door. QED

I suspect they get as many sceptics visiting as believers. There are just not that many creationists in the UK, and it is a very small museum (I'm pretty sure I've walked past it without noticing).

[Lothian]

When cycling through that area a few weeks ago, I noticed 'Diggerland' ahead on the map, and said to myself something like "Haha, what's that? A theme park devoted to mechanical diggers? Hahaha. No, seriously, I wonder what that is."

Then, when I went right past the place, that was precisely what it was.I live about 3-4 miles from one. Never been.

[Lucian]

Here's a great photo gallery of the exhibits in the Portsmouth Creation Museum:

http://picasaweb.google.com/aorellana/CreationMuseum

Factastic! ;)

Are you sure that's the Portsmouth Creation Museum? It sure looks like Ken Ham's folly in Kentucky.

[Orphia Nay]

Are you sure that's the Portsmouth Creation Museum? It sure looks like Ken Ham's folly in Kentucky.

D'oh! The newsletter I got the link from said it was Portsmouth, but I should have checked.

[eccles]

Are you sure that's the Portsmouth Creation Museum? It sure looks like Ken Ham's folly in Kentucky.

Ken bleedin' Ham, that reject from the Bible Belt of Australia, Queensland. I'll bet he had a hand in it.

[edd]

I passed by the Expo the other day (as I unfortunately do all too often) and noticed it wasn't open as I might have expected.
Turns out it's shut. Unfortunately, it's shut to build an extension.
http://www.genesisexpo.co.uk/expansion.html

[samanthakayee]

I tend to speculate further that the museum itself is just a form of advertising to get people into the shop. That way, in this free museum, whether you are a believer, curious, or science-based visitor, you pay them something, if for nothing else, the memory.

I think you are right.

[Skeptical Samurai]

Very Interesting! In an extremely sad sort of way...

But thanks so much for posting

I live up in Canada, and will be heading out to a Creation museum in Alberta. After that i plan to go and make my yearly trip to the Royal Trell Dinosaur meseum...

Kind of ironic, dont you think

[Skeptical Samurai]

For those not familar with the Tyrrell museum here is a link

http://www.tyrrellmuseum.com/

ah and what the hell...
here is a link for the creation "museum" as well! haha, enjoy

http://www.bvcsm.com/