The transfiguration

[Gaetan]

The transfiguration

I’d like to draw your attention to the Gospel of St. John:9.2-11

2After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. 3His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. 4And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus.
5Peter said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters--one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." 6(He did not know what to say, they were so frightened.)
7Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!"
8Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Jesus.
9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. 10They kept the matter to themselves, discussing what "rising from the dead" meant.

I don’t think that Jesus have been transfigurated. The apostles saw like in another dimention. They saw inside the Christ another spirit occupying his body. I don’t think that Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah but with others spirits unknown to the apostles but known to Jesus. Jesus didn’t want that peoples know that he was a medium because he asked to the apostles to not talk about this event. Concerning the cloud, it happened to me to see some brown, gray and one time two pink, these clouds when i was seeing them was life animated.

Gaétan

[shadron]

I don’t think that Jesus have been transfigurated. The apostles saw like in another dimention. They saw inside the Christ another spirit occupying his body. I don’t think that Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah but with others spirits unknown to the apostles but known to Jesus. Jesus didn’t want that peoples know that he was a medium because he asked to the apostles to not talk about this event.

(in total scrut mode) What weed was growing on that mountain, anyway?

Concerning the cloud, it happened to me to see some brown, gray and one time two pink, these clouds when i was seeing them was life animated....or even in your locality? :D

Not really wanting to be facetious, but... what do you think of the tale of the three little pigs?

[Gord_in_Toronto]

(in total scrut mode) What weed was growing on that mountain, anyway?

...or even in your locality? :D

Not really wanting to be facetious, but... what do you think of the tale of the three little pigs?

I think it is a wonderful revelation and is an inspiration in my everyday life. :scared:

[arthwollipot]

I don’t think that Jesus have been transfigurated. The apostles saw like in another dimention. They saw inside the Christ another spirit occupying his body. I don’t think that Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah but with others spirits unknown to the apostles but known to Jesus. Jesus didn’t want that peoples know that he was a medium because he asked to the apostles to not talk about this event. Concerning the cloud, it happened to me to see some brown, gray and one time two pink, these clouds when i was seeing them was life animated.I think it's a story, embellished and elaborated in the same way that other oral histories are known to be embellished.

If the event occurred at all, I think that Jeshua took his friends aside one time and said "look, I really think that I'm the son of God, but don't tell anyone, because it might be dangerous."

After the whole crucifixion thing, Peter James and John started telling people about what he'd said, and the more they told it, the more they added details to make it more interesting and exciting. By the time it was written down almost a hundred years later, it had become a fantasy.

This is how mythology works. Ask any folklorist.

[Lord Emsworth]

The transfiguration

I’d like to draw your attention to the Gospel of St. John:9.2-11

Mark. :p

[HansMustermann]

(in total scrut mode) What weed was growing on that mountain, anyway?

I'm guessing Ergot. Seriously, the effects are identical to LSD, plus a small chance of stroke or gangrene from the severe vasoconstriction it causes. And just like LSD the trips can include feelings of mystical enlightenment, seeing in other dimensions, or whatnot. And it's been around ever since humanity started with agriculture.

In the middle ages they had whole cities spontaneously dancing in the streets, having mystical revelations, and witnessing miracles. And then they had an order of monks to sort out those who needed an amputation afterwards.

Or just look at Jean D'Arc's visions. I'm guessing that the poor gal changed history, and got betrayed and burned in the end, just for eating a bit of contaminated rye.

And it's not that big a leap of faith that a trip would have some shared elements if they talked to each other, and then a thoroughly jammed brain would fill in the visuals. It would only take Jesus getting some son-of-go hallucinations and sharing it with the equally tripping others, for at least one or two to fill in the flash of light and all for themselves.

[Mashuna]

2After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. 3His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them.

It's just an early example of washing powder advertising.

[Fiona]

The transfiguration

I’d like to draw your attention to the Gospel of St. John:9.2-11

2After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. 3His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. 4And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus.
5Peter said to Jesus, "Rabbi, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters--one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah." 6(He did not know what to say, they were so frightened.)
7Then a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and a voice came from the cloud: "This is my Son, whom I love. Listen to him!"
8Suddenly, when they looked around, they no longer saw anyone with them except Jesus.
9As they were coming down the mountain, Jesus gave them orders not to tell anyone what they had seen until the Son of Man had risen from the dead. 10They kept the matter to themselves, discussing what "rising from the dead" meant.

I don’t think that Jesus have been transfigurated. The apostles saw like in another dimention. They saw inside the Christ another spirit occupying his body. I don’t think that Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah but with others spirits unknown to the apostles but known to Jesus. Jesus didn’t want that peoples know that he was a medium because he asked to the apostles to not talk about this event. Concerning the cloud, it happened to me to see some brown, gray and one time two pink, these clouds when i was seeing them was life animated.

Gaétan

I don't think I am quite following the point you wish to make, Gaetan.

Are you suggesting that the story of the transfiguration was neither as told nor drug induced: but rather a real encounter with the spirit world? Is it your contention that Jesus was a strong medium; that somehow he was engaged in conversation with spirits of some kind (though not the spirits of the dead if read your statement that they were not the historical figures they were taken to be); that he was aware of the true nature of the experience but for some reason did not wish this to be known; and that you have had similar experiences yourself (albeit in different colours)?

If I have completely misunderstood what you are getting at I apologise

[Dancing David]

Um, could Batman beat up Superman?

[HansMustermann]

http://eddirt.frozenreality.co.uk/index.php?id=434

[Ysidro]

Um, could Batman beat up Superman?

He already has. Supes claims he was always holding back but I think that's just him covering for the fact that a paranoidiac in a bat costume with no powers can beat him. ;)

[Gaetan]

Fiona wrote

I don't think I am quite following the point you wish to make, Gaetan.


I wanted to point out that the transfiguration was not correctly interpreted.

Gaétan

[Fiona]

By whom? What do you think happened? Why would it matter?

[Gaetan]

By whom? What do you think happened? Why would it matter?

They say that Jesus has been transformed but it is not true, what happened is that Jesus had a man, a soul, inside his body, i saw this a few times.

Gaétan

[realpaladin]

They say that Jesus has been transformed but it is not true, what happened is that Jesus had a man, a soul, inside his body, i saw this a few times.

What, like a Thetan? Where did you see it?

Or... are you talking about Gay Porn?

[shadron]

They say that Jesus has been transformed but it is not true, what happened is that Jesus had a man, a soul, inside his body, i saw this a few times.

Gaétan

Roman Catholic theology has always maintained that Jesus was a man, but that he was also god. One of my theology professors one time asked what we thought about whether Jesus the man was aware that he was god? If he was, why? Did his god-piece prang his human-piece and state it outright, did it take over his human mind/soul altogether so that he was god encased in a body? His point was that Jesus the man had no more clue about it than you or I, but in those places where he claimed to be god he was using his insight upon the Old Testament writings, and perhaps a touch of whimsy, rather than god speaking through the man. So he was as probably as torn about what his destiny was as any other man that has dreams/hallucinations about godhood. In terms of our psychology, he had delusions of grandeur, certainly not unknown in latter days. This from a Thomistic theology teacher, a priest of the RC religion. Faith must be a marvelous thing, for those who indeed have it.

You "saw" what, a few times?

[Gaetan]

Shadron wrote

You "saw" what, a few times?

A soul occupied a man's body other than his own soul, this is common, most of the times they come in your body to feed of energy or feel your sensations.

Gaétan

[realpaladin]

Shadron, now don't you feel silly typing up such a lengthy response?

[paximperium]

Shadron wrote



A soul occupied a man's body other than his own soul, this is common, most of the times they come in your body to feed of energy or feel your sensations.

Gaétan
True. Therefore Voodoo is true.

[superfreddy]

Shadron wrote



A soul occupied a man's body other than his own soul, this is common, most of the times they come in your body to feed of energy or feel your sensations.

Gaétan

Yeah, I saw the same on an episode of Star Trek TNG where evil spirits occupied Data's body. Gaétan, maybe you have a future writting for sci-fi

[arthwollipot]

Yeah, I saw the same on an episode of Star Trek TNG where evil spirits occupied Data's body.Wait - wasn't it nanites?

[shadron]

Shadron, now don't you feel silly typing up such a lengthy response?

Oh, well. Sometimes my fingers just run away.

[superfreddy]

Wait - wasn't it nanites?

No. Evil spirits (aliens) from a penal colony. They also took the bodies of Troi and O'brien.

[realpaladin]

Oh, well. Sometimes my fingers just run away.

With you it's only your fingers... others have whole minds doing the same thing...