"7/7 was an Inside Job because 9/11 was an Inside Job"

[Thunder]

This is what a "truther" said at a conspiracy theory forum today:

"Personally, my belief in 7/7 being an inside job is based on 9/11 being so obviously an inside job. If you don't already know that 9/11 was an inside job, then there is no evidence to convince you about 7/7."

I think this is highly representative of the mindset of many truthers and other conspiracy theorists. This is the level of intellectual sophistication we are dealing with here.

Basically, if one is convinced that one event was a conspiracy or "inside job", then all other so-called suspicious events MUST also be an "inside job".

Its a very all or nothing world with these folks. Very bi-polar.

And this is why, for the most part, we don't have that much to worry about.

[grandthefttoaster]

Ask him if 7-11 is an inside job.

[JoeyDonuts]

I refer to Penn Gillette's brilliant "upside-down house of cards" rant.

[Squidgy]

"Personally, my belief in 7/7 being an inside job is based on 9/11 being so obviously an inside job. If you don't already know that 9/11 was an inside job, then there is no evidence to convince you about 7/7."

I have to say, that is particularly dumb. I think he could of crammed a couple more 'inside jobs' in to that sentence though :p

[plumjam]

There are lots of inside jobs these days. I blame modern plumbing.

[Horatius]

There are lots of inside jobs these days. I blame modern plumbing.



Which brings up an important question: Does working the Drive Through window count as an "Inside Job"?

[Stellafane]

Actually, the argument that "7/7 was an inside job because 9/11 was an inside job" makes perfect sense for Truthers, who after all base their very existence on the premise "9/11 was an inside job because 9/11 was an inside job."

[Squidgy]

Having been a truther, I was lead to believe that on 9/11 FEMA were doing drills of a terrorist attack in NY. Then with 7/7, MI5 OR MI6 (I can't remember which one) were doing drills of a terrorist attack on the underground/tube/metro.

Anyone else know anything about this?

[Macgyver1968]

I don't know...to me..."inside job" sounds like something you might ask a hooker to do for an extra 10 bucks. :)

I never realized when I started debating 911 that it would lead to studies of mental disorders. It's amazing where life leads sometimes.

[Comsat Angel]

All I can say is, Thank Heavens! that 7/7 occurred on 7/7. Were it to have occurred on the Eighth of July, or the Seventh of August, then we'd be seeing our transatlantic cousins coming up with bizarre variations of the date.

[Aidoneus]

Having been a truther, I was lead to believe that on 9/11 FEMA were doing drills of a terrorist attack in NY. Then with 7/7, MI5 OR MI6 (I can't remember which one) were doing drills of a terrorist attack on the underground/tube/metro.

Anyone else know anything about this?

Not quite. MI5/6 were not involved in anyway (At least, not in what you mention. If you buy into the whole inside job tosh then the sky's the limit). A privately run crisis management company (Headed by Peter Power, who's name I'm sure you've heard in conspiracy circles) was conducting an exercise for another private company (I forget which, exactly, but the details are out there), which envisioned bombs going off around the London tube.

ETA: The scope of this exercise is unclear. Power has varyingly described it as involving over a thousand people (Initial interview with BBC News), to seven people sitting round a desk (Recent BBC Documentary on "7/7 Ripple Effect"). If anyone has any more information on this, I'd love to hear it.

[Squidgy]

If anyone has any more information on this, I'd love to hear it.

Likewise dude, thanks for the info.

[Reactor drone]

All I can say is, Thank Heavens! that 7/7 occurred on 7/7. Were it to have occurred on the Eighth of July, or the Seventh of August, then we'd be seeing our transatlantic cousins coming up with bizarre variations of the date.

What,you mean 9/11 didn't happen on the ninth of November?


:D

[alienentity]

7/7

9/11

11/22 (jfk)

omg!!!!omg!!!

[Justin39640]

7/7

9/11

11/22 (jfk)

omg!!!!omg!!!

"great jobZ :) i cant wate too see what those debunkers have to say about them numberzzz"

lol

[Dave Rogers]

ETA: The scope of this exercise is unclear. Power has varyingly described it as involving over a thousand people (Initial interview with BBC News), to seven people sitting round a desk (Recent BBC Documentary on "7/7 Ripple Effect"). If anyone has any more information on this, I'd love to hear it.

Power initially described it as an exercise for a company employing over a thousand people, not an exercise involving over a thousand people. He's since clarified that the actual exercise was him sitting in a room with six managers, giving them made-up news reports of a terrorist attack in pseudo-real time, and having them describe how they would instruct their company to react; I suspect the main issue under discussion was how they would keep the company running when the employees couldn't get to work on time.

When described accurately, the whole thing is a bit pathetic.

Dave

[ElMondoHummus]

Power initially described it as an exercise for a company employing over a thousand people, not an exercise involving over a thousand people. He's since clarified that the actual exercise was him sitting in a room with six managers, giving them made-up news reports of a terrorist attack in pseudo-real time, and having them describe how they would instruct their company to react; I suspect the main issue under discussion was how they would keep the company running when the employees couldn't get to work on time.

When described accurately, the whole thing is a bit pathetic.

Dave

Funny how some things get tweaked a little bit in order to sound suspicious. Sort of like the "hijackers were not on the manifests (http://www.911myths.com/html/no_hijackers_on_the_manifests.html)" or "Marvin Bush was in charge of security for the WTC (http://www.911myths.com/html/stratesec.html)" arguments.

For people new to this forum and those who don't normally participate in 9/11 conspiracy conversations: This is one of the standard operating procedures for the 9/11 conspiracy peddlers. Take a fact, tweak it just a bit, just enough to where there's still truth in it but where a misleading argument can be built around it, then use it and other similarly tweaked arguments in order to build an "Inside Job" story. Take a look at the two links above for other examples of such narrative "tweaking".

Want more examples?
http://911myths.com
http://debunking911.com
http://emptv.com/research/loose-change
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76025

... and those are just overviews. More detail can be found by finding common reference terms and searching this forum for threads on it (for example: "molten steel", "stand down", "thermite", etc.). The fact of the matter is, many of the mistruths peddled by the 9/11 "Truth" movement fall apart under even moderate scrutiny, let alone rigorous research. Dave Rogers has excellently identified one such situation; many more exist.

[Dave Rogers]

For people new to this forum and those who don't normally participate in 9/11 conspiracy conversations: This is one of the standard operating procedures for the 9/11 conspiracy peddlers. Take a fact, tweak it just a bit, just enough to where there's still truth in it but where a misleading argument can be built around it, then use it and other similarly tweaked arguments in order to build an "Inside Job" story.

There's another excellent example being vectored by Percival over in the "What is the general reason for why the 9-11 conspiracy was created?" thread. There was a NORAD drill going on on the morning of 9/11 that included a hijack scenario. There was another, completely unrelated, evacuation drill going on at the NRA based on the premise that an airliner had crashed into the building on takeoff from or landing at the nearby airport. The conspiracy theorist simply takes both of these, mixes them together, and claims that there was an exercise going on that simulated terrorists deliberately crashing airliners into buildings. Just enough admixture of truth to create plausible deniability, but carefully adjusted to look like something nefarious.

And so, from Peter Power's rather dull account of a boring management meeting, 7/7 truthers have spun a fantasy of a thousand or more counter-terrorist officers running around the streets of London diverting attention from the real attack.

What it all boils down to is this: The thread title isn't actually wrong, it's just missing a few words. Conspiracy theorists believe that 7/7 was an Inside Job because they use the same approach to evidence that leads them to believe that 9/11 was an Inside Job.

Dave

[sophia8]

Funny how some things get tweaked a little bit in order to sound suspicious. Sort of like the "hijackers were not on the manifests (http://www.911myths.com/html/no_hijackers_on_the_manifests.html)" or "Marvin Bush was in charge of security for the WTC (http://www.911myths.com/html/stratesec.html)" arguments.

For people new to this forum and those who don't normally participate in 9/11 conspiracy conversations: This is one of the standard operating procedures for the 9/11 conspiracy peddlers. Take a fact, tweak it just a bit, just enough to where there's still truth in it but where a misleading argument can be built around it, then use it and other similarly tweaked arguments in order to build an "Inside Job" story. Take a look at the two links above for other examples of such narrative "tweaking".

Want more examples?
http://911myths.com
http://debunking911.com
http://emptv.com/research/loose-change
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=76025

... and those are just overviews. More detail can be found by finding common reference terms and searching this forum for threads on it (for example: "molten steel", "stand down", "thermite", etc.). The fact of the matter is, many of the mistruths peddled by the 9/11 "Truth" movement fall apart under even moderate scrutiny, let alone rigorous research. Dave Rogers has excellently identified one such situation; many more exist.
An even better example than the Powers one is the 7/7 CT claim that an explosives expert got off the bus one stop before the bomb went off.
The facts: A man who had indeed got off the bus just before the explosion appeared on TV the next day describing how it had been the third time he had narrowly escaped a fatal blast. The second lucky escape had been an IRA bomb in Belfast; the first one had been during the 60s when he worked at an explosives factory - as an apprentice electrician.
The CTers only heard "bomb", "worked in" and "explosives" and immediately knitted an entire false claim out of it.

[Horatius]

Just enough admixture of truth to create plausible deniability, but carefully adjusted to look like something nefarious.

And so, from Peter Power's rather dull account of a boring management meeting, 7/7 truthers have spun a fantasy of a thousand or more counter-terrorist officers running around the streets of London diverting attention from the real attack.




I wonder how much of this is deliberate, and how much just a "telephone game" effect. I was thinking about this last night, after reading this bit in another thread:



There's a lot of silly stuff about this...Also, they claim that there's a number in all red on the back of your BC that is a number you can pull up in the stock exchange with your name next to a dollar amount. They claim your being used as a tradeble human resource, and you can access these funds by filing a lein against them...This particular part I was hoping someone could explain to me, because I've always wondered about this. I'd be a bit disturbed if I were to look up my name in the stock market and find a dollar value, can someone elaborate?

This is true, except that you aren't pulling up your info, you are typing in a mutual fund number. It doesn't work with all birth certificates but, because of the sheer large number of mutual funds, you will find a match occasionally.

It is 100% of course, the mutual fund is a real financial instrument that happens by chance to be the same number on the birth certificate.


So, one little grain of (misunderstood) fact. How many steps does it take to get some full-power woo out of it?


1) my number is the same as the mutual fund. Cool!

2) your number is the mutual fund

3) Does that mean you own that money?

4) Hey, I wonder if someone can use that money to pay off their debts?

5) Hey, I heard you can use that money to pay off your debts!

6) Hey, some guy did use that money to pay off his debts!

7) Kevin Bacon gets wealthy. Or something....

[bill smith]

This is what a "truther" said at a conspiracy theory forum today:

"Personally, my belief in 7/7 being an inside job is based on 9/11 being so obviously an inside job. If you don't already know that 9/11 was an inside job, then there is no evidence to convince you about 7/7."

I think this is highly representative of the mindset of many truthers and other conspiracy theorists. This is the level of intellectual sophistication we are dealing with here.

Basically, if one is convinced that one event was a conspiracy or "inside job", then all other so-called suspicious events MUST also be an "inside job".

Its a very all or nothing world with these folks. Very bi-polar.

And this is why, for the most part, we don't have that much to worry about.

The BBC just brought out another of their Mike Rudin hit-pieces. '7/7:The Conspiracy Fles'. Below is part one of 6. The other 5 can be found on youtube.

But then read the Daily Mail article and watch John Hill's 'The 7/7 ripple Effect' made and narrated by himself at his home in Ireland.

It starts to look like 7/7 will be exposed shortly. As sure as night follows day 9/11 will follow. This stuff is speading like wildfire in England. Our English brother Truthers are on a roll.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcl5YLYvFZA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2E911blogger%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded BBC 7/7 CF 1-6


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html Daily Mail

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7003925131815306453&hl=en 7/7 Ripple Effect

[bill smith]

John Hill arrested in Ireland. Fights Extradition by the British Authorities. Be strong Ireland and resist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8124540.stm

[catbasket]

This stuff is speading like wildfire in England. Our English brother Truthers are on a roll.

Don't Bogart that spliff, dude. 'Spreading like wildfire' :confused: You're talking about England, ya know, where the rain comes from? Ain't no wildfire spreading round these parts.

[8den]

John Hill arrested in Ireland. Fights Extradition by the British Authorities. Be strong Ireland and resist.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8124540.stm

Screw that bollocks. We've got great extradition treaties with England. Stupid messiah shouldn't have tried to affect the outcome of a trial.

[8den]

It starts to look like 7/7 will be exposed shortly. As sure as night follows day 9/11 will follow. This stuff is speading like wildfire in England. Our English brother Truthers are on a roll.


I'm Irish living in London.

Nick "Auschwitz was a holiday camp" Kollerstrom invited Daniel "incredibly crazy" Obachike to a meeting. Here's a truther account.

“It was farcical.


Everyone having paid £5 he led us around Holborn for a while, getting lost once before stopping at a closed down Thai restaurant which Daniel told the “crowd” (12-15 people including 4 of us by my count) the security services must have had shut down to stop his vital info getting out there. Locals said it had been closed for at least a week though.

Then he proceeded to take us to a loud bar on Kingsway which the manager told us was free to reserve an area in. So essentially he charged everyone a £5 (and no doubt had a refund from Conway Hall as well) to sit in a pub.

Despite this, he seemed to think he owned the place. His hired security man at one point tried to stop me going outside for a cigarette, asking Daniel if I had his permission to walk around freely in a pub. He continually walked up to me and anyone unfortunate enough to be chatting to me and put his camera in their face and took pictures of them, no doubt to put on his website and claim they are MOD too.

He refused to let anyone film the talk, which essentially consisted of him holding black and white photos taken off facebook of various members of We Are Change London and simply stating they were “MOD” and “selected” to destroy the “7/7 Truth movement”.

He didn’t demonstrate how he knew this, show any evidence for it, or explain exactly how the group is doing any damage. Any time anyone tried to make a counter point he just spoke over them. His facts were all over the place.”


From http://www.911forum.org.uk/board/viewtopic.php?t=17469&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=60

12-15 people? Petty infighting? Yes "truthers" are on a roll in the uk:p

[bill smith]

Screw that bollocks. We've got great extradition treaties with England. Stupid messiah shouldn't have tried to affect the outcome of a trial.

Well as long as the Irish authorities weigh the evidence carefully and decide whether or not extradition is warrented.This is a political matter after all. A blaze of publicity would be good too.

[8den]

Well as long as the Irish authorities weigh the evidence carefully and decide whether or not extradition is warrented.This is a political matter after all. A blaze of publicity would be good too.

He send DVDs to the judge and jury foreman in a trial relating to the attacks. He's an idiot. He also thinks the Ark of convent is buried in Meath, and demands that he be recognised as the "True king of Britain and Israeli". You might want to pick a new champion. This one is already broken.

[Aidoneus]

bill smith, your Guardian article:

... published in May 2006 ten months after the event, based on 12,500 statements, a police examination of 142 computers and 6,000 hours of CCTV footage.

And then later

Books, blogs and several video documentaries point to oddities in the official accounts.

Says it all really, doesn't it? Also, I'm happy to say that your claims of the 7/7 Truth Movement spreading "like wildfire" are utter ****. They're just as despised today as they were in 2005.

[bill smith]

He send DVDs to the judge and jury foreman in a trial relating to the attacks. He's an idiot. He also thinks the Ark of convent is buried in Meath, and demands that he be recognised as the "True king of Britain and Israeli". You might want to pick a new champion. This one is already broken.

What harm can there be in putting his detailed claims under he microscope then ? Get it out there so that it can be proven wrong. Sunlight is he best disinfectant isn't it ?

Can you think of n easier and more transparent way of dealing with this ?

[8den]

What harm can there be in putting his detailed claims under he microscope then ? Get it out there so that it can be proven wrong. Sunlight is he best disinfectant isn't it ?

Can you think of n easier and more transparent way of dealing with this ?

Yes. thats why he's being extradited to the UK, unless you have a better idea to deal with this.

[bill smith]

bill smith, your Guardian article:



And then later



Says it all really, doesn't it? Also, I'm happy to say that your claims of the 7/7 Truth Movement spreading "like wildfire" are utter ****. They're just as despised today as they were in 2005.

'Guardian' article ?? No I posted this 'Daily Mail' article dated 03-july-2009. The day before yesterday.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197419/Conspiracy-fever-As-rumours-swell-government-staged-7-7-victims-relatives-proper-inquiry.html

[8den]

This is a political matter after all.


It's not. It's a simple case of trying to pervert the course of justice.


A blaze of publicity would be good too.

Two points. Blaze? This is a massive non story, the only extradition story in the press at the moment is about that "Autistic" hacker trying to avoid getting sent to the US. As to the "all press is good press" idea, yeah finding out that your leading documentary maker is absolutely batguano crazy is about on a par with David Shayler announcing he's the messiah.

[bill smith]

Yes. thats why he's being extradited to the UK, unless you have a better idea to deal with this.

In the interest of fair play I think he Irish shoud take detailled video statements from John Hill. I'm certain that they will anyway.

Hill makes several devastating statements in he video. Many of these are provable. Why not take John Hill to open court and allow the whole thing to be tested from top to bottom ?

[8den]

In the interest of fair play I think he Irish shoud take detailled video statements from John Hill. I'm certain that they will anyway.

Theres a pre extradition hearing.


Hill makes several devasting statements in he video. Many of these are provable.


Many? He makes loads of baseless accusations. Perhaps you should list the statements and the supporting evidence.


Why not take John Hill to open court and allow the whole thing to be tested from top to bottom ?

That makes no sense whatsoever. Take Hill to court? Testifying against whom? On what charges?

[bill smith]

Theres a pre extradition hearing.



Many? He makes loads of baseless accusations. Perhaps you should list the statements and the supporting evidence.






That makes no sense whatsoever. Take Hill to court? Testifying against whom? On what charges?

Hill is being accused of 'perverting the course of Justice', an imprisonable offence. Hill will no doubt plead innocence and be prepared to defend hinself tooth and nail with the considerable evidence that he has gathered. This is a golden unmissable chance for he British government to prove Hill wrong thereby reassuring all those doubtng Muslims they are so worried about. On the other hand if the Government is seen to try and suppress his in any way- well people will inevitably draw heir own conclusions.

I just hope another David Kelly-style suicide does not result from the pressure Hill will be under.

[bill smith]

Theres a pre extradition hearing.



Many? He makes loads of baseless accusations. Perhaps you should list the statements and the supporting evidence.






That makes no sense whatsoever. Take Hill to court? Testifying against whom? On what charges?

In order to extradite Hill the British Government will have to lay charges for the Irish to weigh and consider the merits of. This could be very interesting.

[8den]

Hill is being accused of 'perverting the course of Justice', an imprisonable offence. Hill will no doubt plead innocence and be prepared to defend hinself tooth and nail with the considerable evidence that he has gathered. This is a golden unmissable chance for he British government to prove Hill wrong thereby reassuring all those doubtng Muslims they aare so worried about. On the other hand if the Government is seen to try and suppress his in any way- well people will inevitably draw heir own conclusions.

I just hope another David Kelly-style suicide does not result from the pressure Hill will be under.

No Hill is accused of perverting the course of justice. He sent DVDs to a judge and jury member in order to influence the outcome of the trial.

All the prosecution has to do is demonstrate that Hill sent the DVDs in order to affect the outcome of the trial. They don't need to show whether or not Bill's nonsense (and it is nonsense) is true or not.

Your grasp of the British legal system is shocking.

[bill smith]

No Hill is accused of perverting the course of justice. He sent DVDs to a judge and jury member in order to influence the outcome of the trial.

All the prosecution has to do is demonstrate that Hill sent the DVDs in order to affect the outcome of the trial. They don't need to show whether or not Bill's nonsense (and it is nonsense) is true or not.

Your grasp of the British legal system is shocking.

You can charge somebody with anything you like but if you want to prove it you stand up in court and do so. At least the last time I looked that was still the case in Britain.
Jeez....and you accuse me of not knowing the law....sheesh.

[8den]

In order to extradite Hill the British Government will have to lay charges for the Irish to weigh and consider the merits of. This could be very interesting.

Which of Hill's devastating statements are provable and what evidence is this proof based on?

[8den]

You can charge somebody with anything you like but if you want to prove it you stand up in court and do so. At least the last time I looked that was still the case in Britain.
Jeez....and you accuse me of not knowing the law....sheesh.

Sigh.....And Hill has been charged with perverting the course of justice. It's a pretty open and shut case, if Hill sent the DVDs to the judge and foreman, he's guilty.

[bill smith]

Which of Hill's devastating statements are provable and what evidence is this proof based on?

\watch the video and let the court decide.

[bill smith]

Sigh.....And Hill has been charged with perverting the course of justice. It's a pretty open and shut case, if Hill sent the DVDs to the judge and foreman, he's guilty.

Possibly, though I'd want to read the exact wording of the charges before making a comment on that. I'd say the chances of opening it up like a clam must be considerable.

[8den]

Possibly, though I'd want to read the exact wording of the charges before making a comment on that. I'd say the chances of opening it up like a clam must be considerable.

Your second sentence flatly contradicts the previous sentence.

[8den]

watch the video

I've watched the video, and consider it unsubstantiated rubbish. Perhaps you could point out which one of the "devastating" statements Hill makes are provable, according to you.


and let the court decide.Christ. Bill the court case won't be over whether the claims are true or not, it'll be over whether Hill sent the DVD with the explicit intention of trying to influence the outcome of a trial.

[bill smith]

I've watched the video, and consider it unsubstantiated rubbish. Perhaps you could point out which one of the "devastating" statements Hill makes are provable, according to you.

Christ. Bill the court case won't be over whether the claims are true or not, it'll be over whether Hill sent the DVD with the explicit intention of trying to influence the outcome of a trial.

The government will try to hold it within that narrow remit but if Hill has a good brief there may be some possibilities to open it up. For instance was he REALLY tying to influence the outcome of a particular trial or was this just a general attempt to inform the recipients of Hill's investigation and he only got the timing wrong. There may well be other charges that can be exploited to Hill's benefit.
Interesting like I said...

[8den]

The government will try to hold it within that narrow remit but if Hill has a good brief there may be some possibilities to open it up.


Yes but Hill is 100% crazy and thinks he should be the king of England and Israeli, so I can totally see that working out for him


For instance was he REALLY tying to influence the outcome of a particular trial or was this just a general attempt to inform the recipients of Hill's investigation and he only got the timing wrong.


So he randomly posted the DVD to two people, who happened to be the foreman and judge in a trial of people involved in the bombings.

Yeah, thats a nifty defence.


here may well be other charges hat can be exploited to Hill's benefit.
Interesting like I said...



Again Bill what are the devastating claims made by Hill and what proof supports them?

[bill smith]

Yes but Hill is 100% crazy and thinks he should be the king of England and Israeli, so I can totally see that working out for him



So he randomly posted the DVD to two people, who happened to be the foreman and judge in a trial of people involved in the bombings.

Yeah, thats a nifty defence.







Again Bill what are the devastating claims made by Hill and what proof supports them?

Hill's only problem is that he sent the DVD's to a judge and jury foreman of a trial in progress. For the rest he is entitled to sent such DVDs to anyone he likes. So he can quite easily claim that he did not know that the trial was already underway. He might even become a celebrity out of it- you know Britain. John Hill on 'Panorama'....how's that. lol

[8den]

Hill's only problem is that he sent the DVD's to a judge and jury foreman of a trial in progress.


And that is a pretty big problem.


For the rest he is entitled to sent such DVDs to anyone he likes. So he can quite easily claim that he did not know that the trial was already underway.


Wow. That'd be a great defense. :rolleyes:


He might ven become a celebrity out of it- you know Britain. John Hill on
'Panorama'....how's that. lol


Yeah, but no.

So about these devastating provable claims Bill.

[dtugg]

So he can quite easily claim that he did not know that the trial was already underway.

If he didn't know that trial was in progress, how the hell could he know who the judge and jury foreman were, genius? Didn't think that one through did you?

And if you want to say that he could claim it was a coincidence that they got the DVDs, well, I very seriously doubt that there is a jury in the world stupid enough to believe that.

[bill smith]

And that is a pretty big problem.



Wow. That'd be a great defense. :rolleyes:




Yeah, but no.

So about these devastating provable claims Bill.

If you watch the video you will note that the cumulative effect of the various incidents Hill highlights point inescapably to 7/7 having been an inside job. There are other strong pieces of evidence that Hill does not even cover in his video. Yes....he can make a very very strong case. The measured tones and solid detective work in his video will convince many people and aleady has done so by all accounts.

[bill smith]

If he didn't know that trial was in progress, how the hell could he know who the judge and jury foreman were, genius? Didn't think that one through did you?

And if you want to say that he could claim it was a coincidence that they got the DVDs, well, I very seriously doubt that there is a jury in the world stupid enough to believe that.

Who knows....maybe they publish those names before he trial begins in earnest, Easy to make a mistake. A kind of 9/11 excuse I know but there you have it.

[dtugg]

If you watch the video you will note that the cumulative effect of the various incidents Hill highlights point inescapably to 7/7 having been an inside job. There are other strong pieces of evidence that Hill does not even cover in his video. Yes....he can make a very very strong case. The measured tones and solid detective work in his video will convince many people and aleady has done by all accounts.

Well, bill given that you think his video is convincing, the opposite is very likely true, after all, you pretty much always believe the opposite of the truth. That and the fact that he is a criminal and a wacko who apparently believes he should be the king of England and Israel is enough to convince me that I shouldn't waste me time watching his gabage. Unless you point out something specific which can be demonstrated to be true. Which of course you will not do.

[bill smith]

Well, bill given that you think his video is convincing, the opposite is very likely true, after all, you pretty much always believe the opposite of the truth. That and the fact that he is a criminal and a wacko who apparently believes he should be the king of England and Israel is enough to convince me that I shouldn't waste me time watching his gabage. Unless you point out something specific which can be demonstrated to be true. Which of course you will not do.

I advise you to put the video on 'ignore' along with all the other things you don't want to see dtugg.

[dtugg]

I advise you to put the video on 'ignore'
along with all the other things you don't want to see dtugg.

I am shocked that you haven't pointed out anything specific that can be demonstrated to be true. Shocked I tell you!

[8den]

If you watch the video you will note that the cumulative effect of the various incidents Hill highlights point inescapably to 7/7 having been an inside job.


I have. And there isn't a single claim in his video that hasn't been completely debunked. Please do me the courtesy of listing the "devastating" claims he makes and the supporting evidence.


There are other strong pieces of evidence that Hill does not even cover in his video.


Such as...


Yes....he can make a very very strong case. The measured tones


BAHAHAHAHAHA. Measured tones, the man's narration is terrible. Morgan Freeman he ain't.


and solid detective work in his video will convince many people and aleady has done so by all accounts.

There's spurious and unsubstantiated nonsense, that's not the same as "detective work"

[bill smith]

Interesting clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24QJWXGd4uA

[8den]

Who knows....maybe they publish those names before he trial begins in earnest, Easy to make a mistake.


So you're basically saying he was sending out 7.5 million DVDs to the entire population of london and accidentally sent copies to just the judge and jury foreman of a trial? Riiiigght. Of course you can explain how he was capable of the largest postal DVD distribution in history, how he afforded it, and how the sorting office of small town Kells handled it.

[Horatius]

Your grasp of the British legal system is shocking.


Actually, no, it isn't.

Depressing, perhaps, but not shocking at all.

[bill smith]

I have. And there isn't a single claim in his video that hasn't been completely debunked. Please do me the courtesy of listing the "devastating" claims he makes and the supporting evidence.



Such as...



BAHAHAHAHAHA. Measured tones, the man's narration is terrible. Morgan Freeman he ain't.



There's spurious and unsubstantiated nonsense, that's not the same as "detective work"

Whatever....we will see if people are persuaded by the video. So far so good....

[bill smith]

So you're basically saying he was sending out 7.5 million DVDs to the entire population of london and accidentally sent copies to just the judge and jury foreman of a trial? Riiiigght. Of course you can explain how he was capable of the largest postal DVD distribution in history, how he afforded it, and how the sorting office of small town Kells handled it.
It could b a 9/11 style coincidence. Penty of those you know...lol

[bill smith]

Article Irish Times
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0211/1233867931721.html

[bill smith]

Another video
http://www.casttv.com/video/0r5uwx1/alex-jones-was-the-john-hill-case-turned-into-an-mi5-psyop-video

[8den]

It could b a 9/11 style coincidence. Penty of those you know...lol

What so he was randomly sending out DVDs to people in london, what? Picked from a phone book? And whoa, in a what 15 million to one chance, happened to send it to the foreman of the jury and judge who just happen to be on the trial of people involved with the bombers.

[8den]

Another video
http://www.casttv.com/video/0r5uwx1/alex-jones-was-the-john-hill-case-turned-into-an-mi5-psyop-video


I don't waste time on videos if the poster doesn't have the courtesy of summarising why I should something, and why it is relevant.

So people anywho any more info on the "devastating" points raised in the ripple effect, and what evidence there is to support why are they "provable".

[bill smith]

I don't waste time on videos if the poster doesn't have the courtesy of summarising why I should something, and why it is relevant.

So people anywho any more info on the "devastating" points raised in the ripple effect, and what evidence there is to support why are they "provable".

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe they are not provable at all. We will have to wait and see at any rate. As regards the video- please yourself.

[8den]

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe they are not provable at all.


Maybe you should stop and check as to whether something is provable for you claim it is. M'kay?


We will have to wait and see at any rate.


For what? The trial? I wouldn't hold your breath.


As regards the video- please yourself.


Thanks. If you want me to listen to twenty minutes of Alex Jones regurgitating the same tired worn out crap thats in the ripple effect you're wasting your time.

[bill smith]

Key articles on 7/7

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14225

[8den]

Key articles on 7/7

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14225


Yawn.

Same crap on the terror drill. Hey bill I was on the london underground that morning, and travelled on two of the lines hit, and through Kings Cross station, no evidence of any drill using underground or emergency services personal.

Do you have anything new to add to this conspiracy theory or just going to rehash the same tired worn out oft debunked nonsense?

[Thunder]

Key articles on 7/7

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14225


did you read the article? why don't you summarize the article for us.

[peteweaver]

Conspiracy people ignore Danny Biddle who survived the bombings saw Mohammed Siddique Kahn detonate his bomb. Biddle was the closest person to Kahn to survive.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5158454.stm