Freeman on the Land: The Ultimate in Woo Insanity

[Hans]

So you are saying you don't pay some part of your tax, which part?

[Especially]

It would seem that our great Freeman is himself a slave. He pays his council tax (but only after see a full accounting of it) then he consents to pay it.

What a guy! I wish I could defy the powers to be like that.

LOL

I pay what I consent to pay of tax. Which is my privilege as a free man under the law.

[Especially]

So you are saying you don't pay some part of your tax, which part?

I do not pay tax if that tax was not solicited by me, nor accepted by me as mine to pay. Since I have the power of consent in commercial contracts. As do you.

[Hans]

I pay what I consent to pay of tax. Which is my privilege as a free man under the law.

Wow, what power you yield. That Freeman stuff sure has made you a freeman, of sense perhaps but nothing else.

So in fact do you implement any Freeman theory at all? Or is all empty talk?

[Especially]

Wow, what power you yield. That Freeman stuff sure has made you a freeman, of sense perhaps but nothing else.

So in fact do you implement any Freeman theory at all? Or is all empty talk?

No, I implement no freeman theory. To implement a thing is beyond theory. It is practice. And practice is the opposite of 'empty talk'.

[Lothian]

If I am in a restaurant and I receive a costed, itemised bill for cabbages, potatoes and pork chops I will not pay it. Since I care nothing for pork chops and never ordered them in the first place.Did you not read that sign on the wall and menu saying. "By taking a seat in this restaurant you agree to pay for cabbages, potatoes and pork chops irrespective of whether you eat them. Children under 3'6" half price."

[Hans]

So in practice what Freeman things are you doing right now, sticking it too all those unconsented to evil gubmint people.

Could you list them?

[Especially]

Did you not read that sign on the wall and menu saying. "By taking a seat in this reastaruant you agree to pay for cabbages, potatoes and pork chops irrespective of whether you eat them. Children under 3'6" half price."

Yes, and in such a case I am glad you will pay for it. :)

[Lothian]

Yes, and in such a case I am glad you will pay for it. :)You are moving away from crazy to surreal. I am happier with mad so lets get back to the issue.

I get a council tax bill and pay it all. So do you. What is the problem?

[Especially]

You are moving away from crazy to surreal. I am happier with mad so lets get back to the issue.

I get a council tax bill and pay it all. So do you. What is the problem?

You pay it all ? Great.

And if 99% of it is goods and services you have never asked for you pay that too ?

[D'rok]

When you get a minute:

So the Council Tax discussion has moved to this thread, has it? Great!

Especially, can you provide us an example of a freeman who has successfully refused consent to the Council Tax?

When I asked you this question on the other thread, you provided an example of a freeman who unsuccessfully refused consent to the Council Tax. I am interested in seeing a success story.

[Lothian]

You pay it all ? Great.

And if 99% of it is goods and services you have never asked for you pay that too ?You pay it all? Great.

And if 99% of it is goods and services you have never asked for you pay that too?

[Especially]

You pay it all? Great.

And if 99% of it is goods and services you have never asked for you pay that too?

Lothian,

I pay only for goods and services which I have contracted to pay for. Which I have expressly approved of, and which, after consideration of their offer, I have consented to receive.

And you are the same, yes ?

[Lothian]

Lothian,

I pay only for goods and services which I have contracted to pay for. Which I have expressly approved of, and which, after consideration of their offer, I have consented to receive.

And you are the same, yes ?Do you pay in full for include goods and services provided under statute?

[Especially]

Do you pay in full for include goods and services provided under statute?


If I consent to them, yes, I pay for them.

[Lothian]

If I consent to them, yes, I pay for them.and as we have established, you automatically consent to every statutory demand.

[Darat]

Since there is a thread already active discussing these very same points (see: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=155358) I'm going to close this one.

Lets keep this topic confined to one thread.