What is Cindy Sheehan saying these days?

[BigAl]

I recall seeing a laundry list of the woo that Cindy is flogging beyond her issues with the war but now I can't find it. It might have been for Cynthia McKinney but I can't find that , either.

If anyone can give me a link, I'd appreciate it.

[UNLoVedRebel]

http://www.cindysheehanwatch.com/

eta: Here's a lady who says Bush killed her son in a phony war on terror when the president doesn't even have power to declare war. :wackyconfused:

[Brainster]

As far as I know she's never really touched the 9-11 stuff; she does mumble the usual platitudes about how she supports the family members' call for a new investigation, but she's also careful to say that she's not a 9-11 Truther herself.

[Quad4_72]

As far as I know she's never really touched the 9-11 stuff; she does mumble the usual platitudes about how she supports the family members' call for a new investigation, but she's also careful to say that she's not a 9-11 Truther herself.

Good call on her part.

[Justin39640]

thats ole fashioned CYA
lol

[Bobert]

http://www.cindysheehanwatch.com/

eta: Here's a lady who says Bush killed her son in a phony war on terror when the president doesn't even have power to declare war. :wackyconfused:
Last I checked her son wasnt forced to go to Iraq.
Last I checked our borders arent closed so if he really wanted to he could have fled.
Last I checked he could have applied for Conscientious Objector status.
I am not trying to diminish her loss or his death at all but she appears to be using his death to further her political goals yet there was nothing forcing him to do what he did.

[Sabrina]

Last I checked her son wasnt forced to go to Iraq.
Last I checked our borders arent closed so if he really wanted to he could have fled.
Last I checked he could have applied for Conscientious Objector status.
I am not trying to diminish her loss or his death at all but she appears to be using his death to further her political goals yet there was nothing forcing him to do what he did.

This would be why every military member and nearly all of their family members know this woman is full of utter bull:rule10.

[triforcharity]

Ok, maybe its just because I am new to all this, but can someone give me some background on this?? thanks.

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

What is Cindy Sheehan saying these days?

"Woo. Woo woo woo woo woo. Woo woo. WOO!" :D

[T.A.M.]

Ok, maybe its just because I am new to all this, but can someone give me some background on this?? thanks.

IIRC, near the end of the Cyndy Saga, there were rumblings that she was going "truther" but I don't think it amounted to much.

Given Bush is out, Obama in, and the beginning of the end of the Iraq War, I am guessing she is done with the old Activism thing for a while now.

TAM:)

[triforcharity]

But, I don't even understand why anyone is discussing her. I don't understand. I have never heaard of her.

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

Apparently she went on Alex Jones' radio show and came awfully close to "truther" talk (http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/310507cindysheehan.htm) (yes I know this link is from Prison Planet, but they do provide an mp3 of the interview. Granted, I haven't bothered to listen to it, so I suppose her remarks could have been taken completely out of context):

Sheehan stated, "It does look to me like a controlled demolition - I'm not an expert - but it does look to me like a controlled demolition - I'm looking at common sense."

[ARubberChickenWithAPulley]

But, I don't even understand why anyone is discussing her. I don't understand. I have never heaard of her.

Cindy Sheehan was the mother of a Soldier who died in Iraq. She became famous because she camped out near George W. Bush's ranch for several months to demand a meeting with him about her son (in spite of the fact that she had already met him once and commented positively about him). At that time, she garnered quite a bit of sympathy: she was, after all, a normal, grieving mother who had lost her son in a questionable war, and she deserved sympathy.

Then she started getting a bit... off. She divorced her husband and basically became a full-time far left-wing activist. Extremely anti-military, anti-corporation, anti-government anti-... well, pretty much anti-everything. And the loonier she got (e.g. at one point going to New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina and referring to it as an "occupation" and daring soldiers to shoot her), the more her public sympathy waned until she became little more than a fringe figure who gets little notice anymore. She tried to run against Nanci Pelosi last year, and got some press there, but otherwise, she's pretty roundly ignored nowadays.

As to why this thread was started: no idea. Sheehan is pretty irrelevant at this point.

[A W Smith]

Maybe shes back on her meds?

Didn't her son volunteer?
Did he ever tell anyone he regretted joining up?
Was he an adult?
What was so special about her son as opposed to other parents sons who were killed and who's moms don't camp out in front of Bushes ranch?

[JoeyDonuts]

When you raise your right hand and swear/affirm to defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic, AND to obey the orders of those appointed over you, it's pretty cut and dry. No trick there. You're never told you won't be in any danger. You're joining the military, whose purpose is to go into harm's way, kill people, break things. My heart breaks for Cindy Sheehan, as it does any mother who lays a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom. But buyer's remorse doesn't apply to the military at all. It appears to me that she went nearly mad with grief, and found herself surrounded by people who were more than willing to feed her delusions. No wonder she latched onto the wierder stuff to explain her son's death. The truth of why he died is ugly, and I don't agree with it. But young men have been fighting older men's wars for thousands of years, and her situation is not special or unique. It is simply the way of the world for those that choose to answer the call to service. Whatever else she may be, remember that she is still a mother of a dead soldier. I say leave her be, and hope her life returns to some semblance of normalcy - and that she finds solace in something other than wild conspiracies.

[Brainster]

Last I checked her son wasnt forced to go to Iraq.
Last I checked our borders arent closed so if he really wanted to he could have fled.
Last I checked he could have applied for Conscientious Objector status.
I am not trying to diminish her loss or his death at all but she appears to be using his death to further her political goals yet there was nothing forcing him to do what he did.

Let me just add here that her son was an exceptional man who performed heroically in the incident that ended with his death. He was an altar boy and an Eagle Scout.

[metamars]

IIRC, near the end of the Cyndy Saga, there were rumblings that she was going "truther" but I don't think it amounted to much.

Given Bush is out, Obama in, and the beginning of the end of the Iraq War, I am guessing she is done with the old Activism thing for a while now.

TAM:)

Wrong. She's a published author, and is currently on a book tour, touting her latest book. I heard her speak on Father's Day, to a packed house (church actually, I'd guesstimate about 80 in attendance). She has a fairly new radio program and web site: Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox (http://cindysheehanssoapbox.com/).

I think her heart's in the right place, but I was somewhat annoyed at one of her points, about elections not mattering. She feels that they can matter at the local level, and that citizens should focus on taking charge there, before they move onto taking control at the federal level. And how long will this process take? No timeline is given, and no good answer was given when I pointed out to her that "throwing the bums out" is, or should be, rather easy (if citizens are properly organized). Recently, primary day in PA, e.g., only had 20% turnout.

A bigger problem is, who are you going to vote for, in their stead? Some states that passed term limit laws had them backfire, with corruption increasing.

All these problems are solveable, but not in the near term if you erroneously assume that it must be a long-term project. As a strategic thinker, I think she leaves much to be desired. In her defense, though, it's my impression that there are a paucity of creative ideas on how to fix our broken democracy. E.g., David Sirota's book Hostile Takeover does a good job on diagnosis, and a very mediocre job at addressing the chicken and egg problem of getting a corrupt Congress to actually pass strong anti-corruption laws, which would target themselves, primarily. (As far as I can tell; I cheated by only reading his first 'diagnostic' chapter; His last, 'what you can do' chapter was the mediocre one. I'm familiar with Sirota's work, so I am confident that he maintained his high quality throughout the book, until the end.)

Here (http://americannewsproject.com/videos/capitol-hill-parties-all-time), in a nutshell, shows one of the basic mechanisms of corruption.

As for her current, relative lack of prominence in the media, she has committed the unpardonable offence of criticizing the Democrats, as well as the Republicans. Thus, both wings of the war party have no use for her, and our corrupt MSM has no motivation to put a critic of one of their chief owners in the spotlight.

She is now in the lofty company of, e.g., Noam Chomsky, as a famous critic (within some liberal and anti-war circles) who 'needs' to be marginalized by the establishment.

The War Party and its Faux-gressive Minions (http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/06/war-party-and-its-faux-gressive-minions.html) by Cindy Sheehan
Faux-gressives MoveOn.org and The Daily Kos supported me, and my work, as long as it solely focused on the Bush regime and the Republicans. However, when I had a late in life epiphany and figured out that the Democrats were abusing the energy of the anti-war movement to regain power, and I started to speak out against the entire War Party, not just one-half of it, I was kicked off blogging for The Daily Kos and ostracized by the fully co-opted MoveOn.org. Nathan Diebenow of the Lonestar Iconoclast then accused me of "alienating" my friends, to add insult to injury

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Wrong. She's a published author, and is currently on a book tour, touting her latest book.

Act now, and the accompanying Crayola 16-pack is absolutely FREE!!! :D

[T.A.M.]

Wrong. She's a published author, and is currently on a book tour, touting her latest book. I heard her speak on Father's Day, to a packed house (church actually, I'd guesstimate about 80 in attendance). She has a fairly new radio program and web site: Cindy Sheehan's Soapbox (http://cindysheehanssoapbox.com/).

I think her heart's in the right place, but I was somewhat annoyed at one of her points, about elections not mattering. She feels that they can matter at the local level, and that citizens should focus on taking charge there, before they move onto taking control at the federal level. And how long will this process take? No timeline is given, and no good answer was given when I pointed out to her that "throwing the bums out" is, or should be, rather easy (if citizens are properly organized). Recently, primary day in PA, e.g., only had 20% turnout.

A bigger problem is, who are you going to vote for, in their stead? Some states that passed term limit laws had them backfire, with corruption increasing.

All these problems are solveable, but not in the near term if you erroneously assume that it must be a long-term project. As a strategic thinker, I think she leaves much to be desired. In her defense, though, it's my impression that there are a paucity of creative ideas on how to fix our broken democracy. E.g., David Sirota's book Hostile Takeover does a good job on diagnosis, and a very mediocre job at addressing the chicken and egg problem of getting a corrupt Congress to actually pass strong anti-corruption laws, which would target themselves, primarily. (As far as I can tell; I cheated by only reading his first 'diagnostic' chapter; His last, 'what you can do' chapter was the mediocre one. I'm familiar with Sirota's work, so I am confident that he maintained his high quality throughout the book, until the end.)

Here (http://americannewsproject.com/videos/capitol-hill-parties-all-time), in a nutshell, shows one of the basic mechanisms of corruption.

As for her current, relative lack of prominence in the media, she has committed the unpardonable offence of criticizing the Democrats, as well as the Republicans. Thus, both wings of the war party have no use for her, and our corrupt MSM has no motivation to put a critic of one of their chief owners in the spotlight.

She is now in the lofty company of, e.g., Noam Chomsky, as a famous critic (within some liberal and anti-war circles) who 'needs' to be marginalized by the establishment.

The War Party and its Faux-gressive Minions (http://cindysheehanssoapbox.blogspot.com/2009/06/war-party-and-its-faux-gressive-minions.html) by Cindy Sheehan

I had a big long diatribe typed here, but figured it would be wasted on you.

Wrong!!!

nah, I am not getting much of a thrill from it. Did you get a thrill when you typed it in your reply to me?

TAM:)