My Brush with the Campus Thought Police

[Tony]

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=11106 ...full article


Most of you are aware of the disintegration of the intellectual discourse on our college campuses. David Horowitz in particular continues his extraordinary work to expose and reverse the disaster leftist academics are making of our universities.

One of the many benefits of my work is that I get to go speak directly to the Stepford Undergraduates who arrive at college as eager and excited freshman and walk out cynical, brainwashed leftists. They embrace the multiculturalism, moral relativism and hatred of America that their Marxist and Socialist professors have instilled in them for years.

As a Democrat and a feminist, you would think it would be the women’s groups, or the feminist club, or the College Democrats that would be inviting me to speak. But of course not.




I think everyone would agree that academic freedom and freethought would be a good thing.

[The Don]

But why would a left wing organisation chose to have a right winger speak to them ? She claims to be a Democrat but then the view she expresses certainly seem very conservative to me.

This hardly seems like a liberal tract

https://www.campaignsolutions.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ExecMacro/item.d2w/report?can_ref=723&prod_ref=417279

[BillyTK]

From the article:
While this demonizing of the club prior to my arrival was typical, it remains disturbing. At many of my speeches, in an effort to put the wholesale and thoughtless demonizing of campus conservatives into context, I ask students to do a simple word-switch in their heads. Every time they are inclined to say something negative about a conservative or Republican student, they should replace the word “conservative” and/or “Republican” with the word “Jew.”

My point is the intellectual and personal harassment conservative students and faculty face is beginning to mirror to oppression of Jewish students and academics in 1930’s Germany.
Thank God the kids are resisting such idiocy.

Dehumanizing takes repetition and a mob mentality fostered by trusted leadership. It also requires individuals to stop thinking for themselves.
I guess calling students:
cynical, brainwashed leftists [who] embrace the multiculturalism, moral relativism and hatred of America that their Marxist and Socialist professors have instilled in them for years
doesn't count?

[Tony]

Originally posted by The Don
She claims to be a Democrat but then the view she expresses certainly seem very conservative to me.



What views are you talking about?

She is a democrat and a lesbo feminist who was once the head of NOW.

[American]

Originally posted by Tony

I think everyone would agree that academic freedom and freethought would be a good thing.


They wouldn't, and they don't.

I lied my way through the general education requirements by expressing phony views, writing disingenuous essays, and outright academic trolling on tests and papers. It worked. :p Had I made conservative arguments, the professors would not have let that pass.

Of course you can't do that with math and science courses. Only with contrived, synthetic BS that is the humanities.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by American



They wouldn't, and they don't.

I lied my way through the general education requirements by expressing phony views, writing disingenuous essays, and outright academic trolling on tests and papers. It worked. :p Had I made conservative arguments, the professors would not have let that pass.

Of course you can't do that with math and science courses. Only with contrived, synthetic BS that is the humanities.

Since History is part of the "contrived, synthetic BS that is the humanities" I am going to have to call you on your assumption that people in that field are alwys leftists. I am working on a history degree and I am no leftist (I consider myself pretty much a centrist). So far my classes in history have been under two professors, neither of which could in any way shape or form be considered a leftist. One doesn't advertise his politics at all, but from little things he says (and some of the articles and cartoons he has chosen to display in his office) I am pretty sure he is a libertarian, the other I would plant firmly in the neo-conservative camp. Both have also made their disdain of deconstructionism, afrocentrism and a lot of the other nonsense that unfortunately does float around the history profession pretty clear.

My point isn't that ther are NO brainwashed PC idiot humanities professors, my point is that it is a big strawman to say that ALL of them are that way.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep
My point isn't that ther are NO brainwashed PC idiot humanities professors, my point is that it is a big strawman to say that ALL of them are that way.
Isn't it strawman-ish to describe any humanities professor as a "brainwashed PC idiot"?

[hgc]

I want to add that many a dedicated leftist on campus are vehemently opposed to "post-modernist" critical and social theory, recognizing that train of thought at anti-rational, and damaging to leftist causes. Don't confuse your ideologies.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by BillyTK

Isn't it strawman-ish to describe any humanities professor as a "brainwashed PC idiot"?

Probably. I will admit that was not my best choice of words. How about "Humanities professors strongly dedicated to leftist causes who wear their politics on their sleeves".

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by hgc
I want to add that many a dedicated leftist on campus are vehemently opposed to "post-modernist" critical and social theory, recognizing that train of thought at anti-rational, and damaging to leftist causes. Don't confuse your ideologies.
I'd be surprised because it's the "new trendy thing". The most hostility seems to come from the Marxists, but they're s-o-o-o 20th century (why isn't there a hyperbole-warning smilie?). However, there's a tendency to condemn all post-modernist theory as an undifferentiated lump, which is as fallacious as condemning all conservative thought for being theist.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Probably. I will admit that was not my best choice of words. How about "Humanities professors strongly dedicated to leftist causes who wear their politics on their sleeves".
I don't see anything wrong with that; the problem imo is when it's "Humanities professors strongly dedicated to leftist causes who won't take off their rose-tinted glasses, ever" (or violet-tinted glasses, in the case of rightist professors).

[Tony]

What's funny, is that I’ve seen this same mentality described in this article on this very website. If a person supports freedom, the open exchange of ideas and might occasionally say something un-PC, that person is labeled a "right-wing" "bigot" or "crackpot".

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by BillyTK

I don't see anything wrong with that; the problem imo is when it's "Humanities professors strongly dedicated to leftist causes who won't take off their rose-tinted glasses, ever" (or violet-tinted glasses, in the case of rightist professors).

Yeah, but people who won't remove their rose (or violet) tinted glasses exist in every field, and can be a problem no matter what they do for a living.

[fishbob]

Tony's thread subject:My Brush with the Campus Thought Police So what happened to you? Describe your brush with the thought police. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Tony]

Originally posted by fishbob
Tony's thread subject: So what happened to you? Describe your brush with the thought police. Inquiring minds want to know.


That's the title of the article.

[Nyarlathotep]

Originally posted by Tony



That's the title of the article.

You have to admit, though, by giving your thread the same title as the article it makes it look like you were goig to tell how you personally had a brush with the "campus thought police"

I had the same thought as fishbob, because I read the article without looking at the title, so it isn't just him.

[fishbob]

My mistake. I posted my question before looking at the article. Your thread topic reads like a personal experience.

[plindboe]

Originally posted by Tony
If a person supports freedom, the open exchange of ideas and might occasionally say something un-PC, that person is labeled a "right-wing" "bigot" or "crackpot".

Tony, you are a hypocrite. You are always the first to label people that you don't agree with.

[Wudang]

Originally posted by hgc
I want to add that many a dedicated leftist on campus are vehemently opposed to "post-modernist" critical and social theory, recognizing that train of thought at anti-rational, and damaging to leftist causes. Don't confuse your ideologies.

Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmon state quite clearly in "Fashionable nonsense" that,as leftists, they consider the current anti-intellectual and such trends in the academic left apalling. See Alan's webpages at
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/
and BUY THE BOOK.
On the other hand, he's a physicist so maybe his example doesn't count but it does give me another chance to push this excellent book and Alan's superb hoax.

[hgc]

Originally posted by Wudang


Alan Sokal and Jean Bricmon state quite clearly in "Fashionable nonsense" that,as leftists, they consider the current anti-intellectual and such trends in the academic left apalling. See Alan's webpages at
http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/
and BUY THE BOOK.
On the other hand, he's a physicist so maybe his example doesn't count but it does give me another chance to push this excellent book and Alan's superb hoax. I have read, and love, this book.

[Tony]

Originally posted by plindboe


Tony, you are a hypocrite. You are always the first to label people that you don't agree with.


That's not true (do you have any evidence that I labeled these people because of mere disagreement?), there are plenty of people I disagree with that I haven’t labeled. Anyways, this is irrelevant; I’m not against labels, just erroneous and malicious ones.

[hgc]

Originally posted by BillyTK

I'd be surprised because it's the "new trendy thing". The most hostility seems to come from the Marxists, but they're s-o-o-o 20th century (why isn't there a hyperbole-warning smilie?). However, there's a tendency to condemn all post-modernist theory as an undifferentiated lump, which is as fallacious as condemning all conservative thought for being theist. Yes, I was trying to be somewhat careful by specifying "critical and social theory." The term post-modern, as applied to architecture or music, for instance, has nothing to do with this discussion. I am pointing out that the strain of epistomoligical relativism popularized by French intellectuals in the 60's and 70's has taken on a life of it's own on American campuses, and gives us the most absurd, unpenetrable gobbledygook which argues that social power structures dictate reality.

[Wudang]

Postmodernism generator (http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/)

[Skeptic]

Originally posted by hgc
I have read, and love, this book.

Also very worthwhile:

Manifesto of a Passionate Moderate (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0226311376/qid=1070650623//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i0_xgl14/002-7021298-3237669?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) by Susan Haack, a very bright woman.

[specious_reasons]

Originally posted by Tony

That's not true (do you have any evidence that I labeled these people because of mere disagreement?), there are plenty of people I disagree with that I haven’t labeled. Anyways, this is irrelevant; I’m not against labels, just erroneous and malicious ones.

*sigh* Tony, you don't get it.

Shall I do a search of posts you've made about Hillary Clinton?

How about "bedwetting liberals", or was it leftists? Any proof offered that these people were bedwetters?

One of my favorites:

http://www.randi.org/vbulletin/show...stid=1870143327
Originally posted by Mr Manifesto:

Oh, and speaking of tyranny and oppression, have any of those held at Guantanamo Bay been told what they've been charged with yet? Any access to legal advice? Just curious.


Tony's response:

I don't know (nor do I care), you have the affinity for fanatical muslim terrorists, you tell me.

You use inflammory and malicious language all the time.

Edited to add: Has Tony made any changes to his behavior? I usually have him on ignore, so he may have improved over time, and I might just be "counting the hits". I'm willing to retract the above if my impression is mistaken.

[hgc]

Originally posted by specious_reasons


*sigh* Tony, you don't get it.

Shall I do a search of posts you've made about Hillary Clinton?

How about "bedwetting liberals", or was it leftists? Any proof offered that these people were bedwetters?

One of my favorites:



You use inflammory and malicious language all the time.

Edited to add: Has Tony made any changes to his behavior? I usually have him on ignore, so he may have improved over time, and I might just be "counting the hits". I'm willing to retract the above if my impression is mistaken. No, he hasn't changed. Same crap, different day.

Tony, the language that thrills the like-thinking crowd you probably personally associate with, when used here, just makes you look like a foolish lightweight. Say something of substance for a change.

[daenku32]

So she complaining about why the Liberals on the campus didn't invite her, but it ended up being the conservatives. Even though she claims to be a "Liberal".

When you sound like Ann Coulter in your accusations, why would would anyone else than those who BENEFIT from your LIES and Strawman arguments, invite you?

I'm starting to see a trend of many conservatives pretending to be "liberals" when sending out the messages. Thinking that titles will skew the BS.

[Tony]

Originally posted by specious_reasons


*sigh* Tony, you don't get it.

Shall I do a search of posts you've made about Hillary Clinton?


No YOU dont get it. Ive said this many times, my beef with Hillary Clinton isnt merely about a disagreement. Can you people seriously not understand that? It seems not, you hold on to the simple notion that I dislike someone simply because I disagree with that person.

[Tony]

Originally posted by hgc
Say something of substance for a change.


IYO what would qualify as something of substance? Be specific.

[Suddenly]

Originally posted by Tony


No YOU dont get it. Ive said this many times, my beef with Hillary Clinton isnt merely about a disagreement. Can you people seriously not understand that? It seems not, you hold on to the simple notion that I dislike someone simply because I disagree with that person.

What, did she turn you down for a date or something?

[Tony]

Originally posted by Suddenly


What, did she turn you down for a date or something?

She refused to give me a rim job.

[specious_reasons]

Originally posted by Tony


No YOU dont get it. Ive said this many times, my beef with Hillary Clinton isnt merely about a disagreement. Can you people seriously not understand that? It seems not, you hold on to the simple notion that I dislike someone simply because I disagree with that person.

I don't really care what your beef w/Hillary is. I'm just pointing out that you use inflammatory and malicious language, and then you pretend that you don't.

Even if it were accurate, it doesn't justify the use. In particular, it doesn't encourage rational discourse.

[Tony]

Originally posted by specious_reasons


I'm just pointing out that you use inflammatory and malicious language, and then you pretend that you don't.


I dont deny it, i'll try to lighten up. :)

[c0rbin]

They embrace the multiculturalism, moral relativism and hatred of America that their Marxist and Socialist professors have instilled in them for years.

Multiculturalism is bad? Why?

Moral Relativism is a joke. People in Alabama cried moral relativism when others tried to remove the ten commandments. I wonder if these people support Alamba's death penalty?

I wonder how one could measure the claim that undergraduates finish their stint at University as leftist America Haters?

Garbage.

[BillyTK]

Originally posted by Nyarlathotep


Yeah, but people who won't remove their rose (or violet) tinted glasses exist in every field, and can be a problem no matter what they do for a living.
Oh, agreed!

Originally posted by hgc

Yes, I was trying to be somewhat careful by specifying "critical and social theory." The term post-modern, as applied to architecture or music, for instance, has nothing to do with this discussion. I am pointing out that the strain of epistomoligical relativism popularized by French intellectuals in the 60's and 70's has taken on a life of it's own on American campuses, and gives us the most absurd, unpenetrable gobbledygook which argues that social power structures dictate reality.
Ah, Foucault, he's my kind of post-structuralist. Btw, social structures do dictate reality*. What else is there? Of course, Foucault's good in moderation, and even he acknowledged such when he dumped his project, because taken to its logical conclusion, you end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater... :eek:

*Social reality that is, not physical reality, 'cos that would be daft. :)

[Ralph]

Originally posted by American



They wouldn't, and they don't.

I lied my way through the general education requirements by expressing phony views, writing disingenuous essays, and outright academic trolling on tests and papers. It worked. :p Had I made conservative arguments, the professors would not have let that pass.

Of course you can't do that with math and science courses. Only with contrived, synthetic BS that is the humanities.

I was a student at UMASS in the late 60's. I remember always arguing with a friend that your typical humanities course was as you decribed it......"contrived, synthetic BS."

I was taking Philosphy 101--and was assigned a take-home exam with several essay questions.

Up to this point---I had a B+ average and the only classes I attended were the ones where exams were scheduled. I think I spent the money for the textbook on a bag of weed.

Since I was doing well---I wasn't worried about blowing an exam
so I took the take home essay with my friend present.

I told him " I'm just going to write down a pile of pretentious crap"
and I'll bet I get an A.......I even threw in some "new" words that I just made up.

My friend agreed that my answers were pure BS and if he were grading it--I'd flunk....

I got the A.....................................

[JAR]

My father said that at the college he teaches at, which is CSULB, it is not the leftists who are rebelling against traditional university values, but rather the conservatives.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by Tony
What's funny, is that I’ve seen this same mentality described in this article on this very website. If a person supports freedom, the open exchange of ideas and might occasionally say something un-PC, that person is labeled a "right-wing" "bigot" or "crackpot".
Are you refering to yourself and your periodic racist outbursts?

[Tony]

Originally posted by c0rbin

Multiculturalism is bad? Why?




I don’t know the author's answer, but I could see "multiculturalism" as being a potentially bad thing if too many of the cultures are fighting for supremacy. It could lead to a lot of cultural and racial strife. Personally, I don’t mind “multiculturalism”, but I think cross-culture tolerance and understand should be emphasized.

[Chaos]

Originally posted by Tony

I don’t know the author's answer, but I could see "multiculturalism" as being a potentially bad thing if too many of the cultures are fighting for supremacy. It could lead to a lot of cultural and racial strife. Personally, I don’t mind “multiculturalism”, but I think cross-culture tolerance and understand should be emphasized.

As I understand it, multiculturalism means several different cultures coexisting in the same area, side by side, and eventually getting mixed - as it has been happening in America for centuries.

Those that do not like multiculturalism, at least around here, are usually those who believe that their own culture is the best there ever was and that all the others are worthless crap bound to contaminate their lifestyle (though they usually don´t say so this clearly). They are usually either racists and xenophobes, or they have been indoctrinated with racist and xenophobic propaganda.

[Tony]

Originally posted by Chaos


As I understand it, multiculturalism means several different cultures coexisting in the same area, side by side, and eventually getting mixed - as it has been happening in America for centuries.

Those that do not like multiculturalism, at least around here, are usually those who believe that their own culture is the best there ever was and that all the others are worthless crap bound to contaminate their lifestyle (though they usually don´t say so this clearly). They are usually either racists and xenophobes, or they have been indoctrinated with racist and xenophobic propaganda.

How's the "mexican" food where you live?