Fox: Osama Bin Laden Is Our Only Hope

[Dr Adequate]

I'm sure you've all seen this, but let's start a thread about it:

auQJVhNH99c

"The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama Bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States."

Discuss.

[Upchurch]

Discuss.
One nut job has another nut job on his nut job show and they say something nut jobby. The only real discussion point, in my mind, is why Glenn Beck still has a show.

[Random]

Tom Tomorrow (http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/06/16/tomo/index.html) had it covered quite well. (Ironically, he wrote this comic just before this latest nutcase came out with this line)

[Upchurch]

Tom Tomorrow (http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2009/06/16/tomo/index.html) had it covered quite well. (Ironically, he wrote this comic just before this latest nutcase came out with this line)

Oh, now that's just eerie.

[Marc39]

The only real discussion point, in my mind, is why Glenn Beck still has a show.

One word: Ratings.

[Upchurch]

One word: Ratings.

Yikes. What does that say about his viewers?

[DC]

Fox? isnt that the channel where you normally get shouted down or your mic cut when you say anti-american things or when you did not stand behind the president during time of war?
i guess that was another fox channel.

[Marc39]

Yikes. What does that say about his viewers?

One word: Sheep

[Upchurch]

Moving along...

How prevalent is this nut jobbery? Is it limited to Beck and his nut job guest or are their other nut jobs who "think" along the same lines?

[drkitten]

Moving along...

How prevalent is this nut jobbery? Is it limited to Beck and his nut job guest or are their other nut jobs who "think" along the same lines?

Presumably Tom Tomorrow had sources as well, since the cartoon was written before that particular episode came out.

If you're asking for names,.... well, part of the issue with the current structure of the Republican party is that it seems to be led from the shadows. The official RNC chair has no power at all; most of the visible leaders are the unelected media like Beck, Coulter, and Limbaugh, and most of their talking points are taken from the blogosphere and underground media.

[Marc39]

Moving along...

How prevalent is this nut jobbery? Is it limited to Beck and his nut job guest or are their other nut jobs who "think" along the same lines?

Beck is a self-confessed nutjob and much of his success is attributed to his edginess. Conservative talk radio and TV around the country has similar POVs with varying degrees. I can't stomach them, personally.

[themusicteacher]

Moving along...

How prevalent is this nut jobbery? Is it limited to Beck and his nut job guest or are their other nut jobs who "think" along the same lines?

Well, the show has millions of viewers. Certainly they don't buy everything he's selling but Beck isn't the only one who shares these views. Some people are so enraged, disgusted, angry, hate-filled and vitriolic that they think liberals are the "real" problem and are constantly insinuating that libs want America to "lose" the "War on Terror (TM)" and that libs hate America and are out to destroy everything America holds dear and stands for. It's a dispicable sociopathic stance but not to far removed from those who thought all the problems in the world would be solved if enough Jews, blacks, gays and handicapped people died. It's not that Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity, Scarborough, Rush, Malkin, et al are advocating executing liberals (though some or all of them may harbor secret thoughts of that nature) but they do think of it as a rabid, ravenous disease that needs to be eradicated. A major attack on an American city would be, to them, just the impetus to prove that libs are a bunch of pussies who can't "defend America." Nevermind that Saint Ronnie couldn't prevent the barracks bombing in Lebanon and W couldn't prevent an attack that killed 4,000 American's. That's not the point. The point is that liberals are not just pussies but they also seek the economic and moral destruction of America and they MUST BE STOPPED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY!!!!

[GreyICE]

Moving along...

How prevalent is this nut jobbery? Is it limited to Beck and his nut job guest or are their other nut jobs who "think" along the same lines?

Okay, lets think back a ways. No, back farther.

"It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it."

"There was an old lady in a bed and I believe there was a priest in white praying over her... [U.S. Lt.] Calley pulled the old man outside. He said a few more words to the monk. It looked like the monk was pleading for his life. Lt. Calley then took his rifle and pushed the monk into a rice paddy and shot him point-blank."

Soldiers went berserk, gunning down unarmed men, women, children and babies. Families which huddled together for safety in huts or bunkers were shown no mercy. Those who emerged with hands held high were murdered. ... Elsewhere in the village, other atrocities were in progress. Women were gang raped; Vietnamese who had bowed to greet the Americans were beaten with fists and tortured, clubbed with rifle butts and stabbed with bayonets. Some victims were mutilated with the signature "C Company" carved into the chest. By late morning word had got back to higher authorities and a cease-fire was ordered. My Lai was in a state of carnage. Bodies were strewn through the village.

"Enragingly, liberals talk about Vietnam as if it proves something about the use of force generally rather than the Democrats own bungling incompetence in military affairs. Historical accounts of the Vietnam war are incomprehensible because liberals refuse to admit the failure of their own national security strategy. The only important lesson from the Vietnam War is this: Democrats lose wars." -- Ann Coulter Emphasis mine

Do you really, really, really, think she's alone in this? Everyone, every single person who thinks like this would agree with Glen Beck (or if they don't, it's only some internal hypocrisy keeping them from following through on what they believe).

[Wowbagger]

Beware! From the ashes that currently remain of the Republican party, something even more hideous may yet arise!

[Marc39]

Beware! From the ashes that currently remain of the Republican party, something even more hideous may yet arise!

If the economy continues to tank, and, it likely will, the Republicans will return to power. What goes around, comes around.

[GreyICE]

If the economy continues to tank, and, it likely will, the Republicans will return to power. What goes around, comes around.

But, which Republican? The ones who want to destroy America in order to save it? Or the ones who have to publicly apologize to Rush Limbaugh? Or perhaps the ones whose unwed daughters are having babies?

Your house is not in order.

[Upchurch]

If the economy continues to tank, and, it likely will, the Republicans will return to power. What goes around, comes around.
What do you base that on? It was tanking under them, too.

[Delscottio]

I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but is Glenn Beck an actual "real" news presenter - I saw him on a British programme a while ago and assumed he was a wind up type character, something Sacha Baron Cohen would come up with.

IIRC he was crying about the love for his country, no tears and it was a pathetic performance.

[Dr Adequate]

If the economy continues to tank, and, it likely will, the Republicans will return to power. What goes around, comes around. Have you looked a the Dow Jones lately, or the S&P, or are you just basing your posts on what you've heard on right-wing radio?

Anyway, this thread has a topic, namely an insane 'winger saying that: "The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama Bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States."

The topic of the thread was not "Will Marc39 Please Be Wrong About The Economy?"

[Marc39]

What do you base that on? It was tanking under them, too.

Exactly, and Bush was kicked out and the Dems are now in power. Americans are fickle. If Obama fails, they'll vote the Dems out and replace them with Republicans, again. Already, the Obama honeymoon is showing signs of wear.

[Marc39]

I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but is Glenn Beck an actual "real" news presenter - I saw him on a British programme a while ago and assumed he was a wind up type character, something Sacha Baron Cohen would come up with.

IIRC he was crying about the love for his country, no tears and it was a pathetic performance.

Beck is not a news presenter in the sense that you mean. He's a chat show host.

[Dr Adequate]

I've been meaning to ask this for a while, but is Glenn Beck an actual "real" news presenter - I saw him on a British programme a while ago and assumed he was a wind up type character, something Sacha Baron Cohen would come up with.

IIRC he was crying about the love for his country, no tears and it was a pathetic performance. He's "real" insofar as his audience watches him 'cos they think he's for real.

Now, given that he can fool Fox News viewers, there is no reason for us to doubt that he is also successfully fooling himself. There are, evidently, many people dumb enough to believe what he says: therefore, there is no reason to doubt that he himself is one such person.

[GreyICE]

Exactly, and Bush was kicked out and the Dems are now in power. Americans are fickle. If Obama fails, they'll vote the Dems out and replace them with Republicans, again. Already, the Obama honeymoon is showing signs of wear.

Given your psychic history, this should be a sure fire guarantee that the Democrats will be in charge for the foreseeable future.

[Whiplash]

But, which Republican? The ones who want to destroy America in order to save it? Or the ones who have to publicly apologize to Rush Limbaugh? Or perhaps the ones whose unwed daughters are having babies?

Your house is not in order.


Wow, still dumping on Palin. How noble and classy of you. Seriously, that's pathetic.

And so is the guy in this news clip, and Glenn Beck. I hate Glenn Beck. I hated him when he was just on a radio, we had him for a while in the mornings locally, and I couldn't stand him. He should be ashamed for pushing such rhetoric.

But really, you guys need to get off the Palin obsession. It's none of your damn business what her children have done or haven't done, and her standing up for any kind of moral issues is absolutely irrelevant in the consideration, no matter how much you guys torture reality to try to make it so. It's a childish line of thinking. Completely. People can stand up for moral issues and still be flawed, or have made mistakes, or whatever. It shouldn't reflect on her in any way. Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong. But people want to think this somehow proves that moral stances are wrong and outdated, and offensive! What a bizzaro world we have come to inhabit...

[Darat]

Marc39 & Dr Adequate - any further bickering between you will result in a suspension.

And to all participants - get back on topic!

[Brainster]

I'm certainly not excusing the guest on Beck's show, but is there any context for what he said? My sense from the conversation was that the topic was enhanced interrogation techniques and how we needed them to prevent another terrorist attack. Which really makes his comment even dumber; we need another big terrorist attack so that we can get back to techniques that will prevent another big terrorist attack.

[Wowbagger]

If the economy continues to tank, and, it likely will, the Republicans will return to power. What goes around, comes around. There is no doubt in my mind that the Republicans will, someday, return to power.

My concern is that some of them might be prone to do something... rather rash... even before that happens. I hope that doesn't happen. But, a large group of ego-damaged and disenfranchised pundits, spouting ideas that only huge disasters can bring everyone together again, is not a good sign.

You can help us pour some water on a few fuses, before they blow big-time, if you'd like. It would certainly be more productive than crying about the Democrats. Right?

[Dr Adequate]

Wow, still dumping on Palin. How noble and classy of you. Seriously, that's pathetic.

And so is the guy in this news clip, and Glenn Beck. I hate Glenn Beck. I hated him when he was just on a radio, we had him for a while in the mornings locally, and I couldn't stand him. He should be ashamed for pushing such rhetoric.

But really, you guys need to get off the Palin obsession. When "you guys" stop thinking that Osama Bin Laden is the savior of the country, maybe the other "you guys", the guys who aren't "you guys" could address the question of how "you guys" think that Sarah Palin is the savior of the country.

Oh, wait, isn't "you guys" the sort of partisan rhetoric that you have so often claimed to dislike?

[Marc39]

Wow, still dumping on Palin. How noble and classy of you. Seriously, that's pathetic.

And so is the guy in this news clip, and Glenn Beck. I hate Glenn Beck. I hated him when he was just on a radio, we had him for a while in the mornings locally, and I couldn't stand him. He should be ashamed for pushing such rhetoric.

But really, you guys need to get off the Palin obsession. It's none of your damn business what her children have done or haven't done, and her standing up for any kind of moral issues is absolutely irrelevant in the consideration, no matter how much you guys torture reality to try to make it so. It's a childish line of thinking. Completely. People can stand up for moral issues and still be flawed, or have made mistakes, or whatever. It shouldn't reflect on her in any way. Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong. But people want to think this somehow proves that moral stances are wrong and outdated, and offensive! What a bizzaro world we have come to inhabit...

I was swooning over Palin during her opening speech at the Republican Convention and became one of her biggest fans. But, I have to say the bloom came off the rose for me, and, others, too, and, I do not see higher public office in her future.

[Cleon]

Wow, still dumping on Palin. How noble and classy of you. Seriously, that's pathetic.


So a prominent conservative Republican commentator openly calls for Osama bin Laden to attack the United States, and you're pissed because someone made an offhand crack about Sarah Palin's daughter having a kid out of wedlock.

If anything here is pathetic, it's your sense of priorities.

Maybe "you guys" need to clean up your own frelling house before telling everyone else not to track mud in theirs.

[David Wong]

I'm certainly not excusing the guest on Beck's show, but is there any context for what he said? My sense from the conversation was that the topic was enhanced interrogation techniques and how we needed them to prevent another terrorist attack. Which really makes his comment even dumber; we need another big terrorist attack so that we can get back to techniques that will prevent another big terrorist attack.

Strangely the segment was mostly about immigration and closing the borders, the weird comment kind of came out of nowhere.

I refuse to believe the guest intended for the words to come out that way, but having seen the transcript (I'll try to dig up the link) there isn't really anything that clarifies it or puts it in context.

If he's been asked about it since then maybe he's backed off it a little bit. Beck ventures into crazyland more and more these days but I've never known Scheuer to say things that openly insane.

[shecky]

What Scheuer said really isn't insane. Another attack by OBL would almost certainly drive Americans out of their minds further than the last time, more than ever willing to ignore Constitutional limits on government power, in addition to adding fervor to get OBL.

What is possibly insane is the wistful gleam in the eyes of neocons at the prospect of such an opportunity. It's not clear to me that Scheuer shares that extreme view though the clip seems to indicate the possibility. Despite his well justified criticism of the WOT, he's always clearly been a hawk.

[Brainster]

Strangely the segment was mostly about immigration and closing the borders, the weird comment kind of came out of nowhere.

I refuse to believe the guest intended for the words to come out that way, but having seen the transcript (I'll try to dig up the link) there isn't really anything that clarifies it or puts it in context.

If he's been asked about it since then maybe he's backed off it a little bit. Beck ventures into crazyland more and more these days but I've never known Scheuer to say things that openly insane.

I found the entire segment (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/glenn-beck-double-duty/2014308457), and you're right it was in the context of immigration and border control. Very strange especially considering that the 9-11 hijackers all got into the country via legal means. And considering that Scheuer doesn't (as far as I know) have any particular expertise on the Mexican border.

[Upchurch]

I found the entire segment (http://video.aol.com/video-detail/glenn-beck-double-duty/2014308457)
The most dangerous place in the world is the US/Mexico boarder...
Wha......?

That entire segment was full of fail.

[Cleon]

Wha......?

That entire segment was full of fail.

Only with Glenn Beck does taking a quote out of context actually make him look better.

[Dancing David]

I used to miss the entertaining insanity that was the PTL network in the 80s, now I just watch glenn beck and laugh harder than I ever did at Tammy and Jim Baker.

What is frightening is somebody IS taking him seriously.

[Thunder]

I'm sure you've all seen this, but let's start a thread about it:

auQJVhNH99c

"The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama Bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States."

Discuss.

Only a paranoid conspiracy theorist would see this as an actual call or hope for a major terrorist attack.

Scheuer is simply saying that the American people only really change when we are faced with catastrophy.

[Allen773]

I think Scheuer lost his mind obsessing over bin Laden in the CIA.

[Monketey Ghost]

Only a paranoid conspiracy theorist would see this as an actual call or hope for a major terrorist attack.

Scheuer is simply saying that the American people only really change when we are faced with catastrophy.

Both statements are untrue.

[Thunder]

Both statements are untrue.

You really think Scheuer WANTS the USA to suffer a major terrorist attack?

Give me a break. He is a brave American and loves this country.

[David Wong]

Only a paranoid conspiracy theorist would see this as an actual call or hope for a major terrorist attack.


A paranoid conspiracy theorist or, you know, someone listening to his exact words. Which were:

"The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama Bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States."

You think you have to be paranoid to read a hope for a terror attack there? Really?

Read it again.

Come on. Be honest. Don't play the right-wing hack in this thread. It was a silly thing for the guy to say, people on both sides say silly things.

[Thunder]

Come on. Be honest. Don't play the right-wing hack in this thread. .

?????

right-wing hack? I am a social-democratic liberal my friend.

I just refuse to jump on the bash-Scheuer bandwagon. Forgive me if I am reluctant to label a fellow American a traitor without a little more context.

[Cleon]

I just refuse to jump on the bash-Scheuer bandwagon.

"Bandwagon?"

This is what he really said:

"The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama Bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States."


Forgive me if I am reluctant to label a fellow American a traitor without a little more context.

The context has been provided in this thread, in video and written form. It doesn't take away any of the crazy, it just adds to it.

[Allen773]

Scheuer is a nutter in the vein of Ron Paul anyway. And he blames everyone but himself for 9/11.

[Random]

You really think Scheuer WANTS the USA to suffer a major terrorist attack?

Give me a break. He is a brave American and loves this country.

I don't think he wants a major terrorist attack. I think he wants liberals to shut up. If a couple of million dead bodies are what it takes to win an argument with a liberal, then so be it.

[gtc]

Or perhaps the ones whose unwed daughters are having babies?

Do you really think this is a bad thing or are you criticising hypocrisy?

[GreyICE]

Do you really think this is a bad thing or are you criticising hypocrisy?

When you hit reply and don't edit my posts, you find amazing things.

[Cicero]

I'm sure you've all seen this, but let's start a thread about it:

auQJVhNH99c

"The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama Bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States."

Discuss.

Media Matters is desperate for material. I guess they know that nobody is watching MSNBC's KO and Maddow. Since Scheuer is a news analyst for CBS News, what does FOX News have to do with Sheuer's comment? Scheuer's views on Israel are more in sync with MSNBC's Pat Buchanan and CNN's Christianne Aminpour.

[Darth Rotor]

Scheuer read for substance: Without an external threat doing something dire, America eats itself from within.

Scheuer hoping to get on TV with his message: It will take an attack by OBL and his chums, a big attack, bigger than 9-11, to get America's head out of its collective arse and away from current self destructive political behavior.

He overstates his case, in my humble opinion.

I also question his judgment and motive. He is trying to parley his insider's understanding of OBL, from back in the day, into a competence for prediction that I don't, among others, have in him.

I think it will take a bit less than something of 9-11 scale to get America's eyes focused. But I agree with him to the extent that is more likely, in terms of politics, that an externally based threat will allow our political leadership to unite the fractured American body politic, as 9-11 did, more readily than any consensus on a domestic problem.

Most of what you fools have written in this thread ought to embarass you. You fell for hype, and gave hype style responses.

Nicely Trolled, Doctor A. :p I mark you nine points out of a possible ten.

Glenn Beck ought to be embarassed for his blatant pandering to overhype, and to Scheuer's attention seeking overstatement. (Scheuer doubtless has another book about to go on sale ... ) But lately, Beck has no shame.

He used to be funny, ha ha, a few years ago, on the radio.

Now, he's funny peculiar on both radio and TV. Mutation, not evolution. :p

DR

[leftysergeant]

The right wing wants Obama and, weith him, America, to fail, because it would make it appear that we were mistaken to send them packing.

Scheuer seems to have mistaken the imposition of draconian measures like the Patriot Act for rational law enforcement. The right wing appears to think that they have made us safer and more prosperous, and would revel in anything that gives the appearance that the left has no clue.

For years, I have heard the Ru8shblob ranting about how the left is willing to do anything to maintain political power, to accept anything that makes it seem as though we needed the liberal government programs.

Now the right is willing to accept an incident of mass murder if it suggests that they were right.

Frightened people are easier to control. Fear and greed are the sources of what remains of the GOP's power.

[corplinx]

Frightened people are easier to control. Fear and greed are the sources of what remains of the GOP's power.

Fear and greed? I would say that is a key source of momentum for both parties.

PASS THE FRICKEN STIMULUS NOW OR ELSE THERE ARE DIRE CONSEQUENCES, THE EARMARKS CANT WAIT!

[Dr Adequate]

Media Matters is desperate for material. And boy, do they ever get it.

I guess they know that nobody is watching MSNBC's KO and Maddow. Since Scheuer is a news analyst for CBS News, what does FOX News have to do with Sheuer's comment? Scheuer's views on Israel are more in sync with MSNBC's Pat Buchanan and CNN's Christianne Aminpour. I wonder if, in your head, any of that was meaningful.

[Minadin]

Wouldn't a foiled attack of just about any magnitude, as long as it was very clear to everyone that it was attempted, and equally clear that it was foiled by those agencies which are supposed to be doing that thing, be much more beneficial? It would re-state the threat without all the messy clean-up, scapegoating, economy tanking, etc.

[MattusMaximus]

Why does Glenn Beck hate America? ;)

ETA: After Beck's asinine bit about pouring gasoline on "the American taxpayer" and "having Obama light the match", I have since given up on taking this guy seriously. He does know how to get attention, though.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I'm sure you've all seen this, but let's start a thread about it:

auQJVhNH99c

"The only chance we have as a country right now is for Osama Bin Laden to deploy and detonate a major weapon in the United States."

Discuss.

The video title said Glenn Beck agreed... but it doesn't show Glenn Beck agreeing.

[thaiboxerken]

I really don't think this jerk really hopes for an attack on USA soil. I think he's just making an extremely exaggerated and hyperbolic point. Yes, what he said was monumentally stupid, but I just can't believe he is wishing for a terrorist attack on the USA.

The guy is guilty of stupidity, not of sadism.

Keep in mind, I still hate the idiot.

[Skeptic Ginger]

Scheuer read for substance: Without an external threat doing something dire, America eats itself from within.

Scheuer hoping to get on TV with his message: It will take an attack by OBL and his chums, a big attack, bigger than 9-11, to get America's head out of its collective arse and away from current self destructive political behavior. ....
DR
How do you figure?

This is the quote:Only Osama can execute an attack which will force Americans to demand that their government protect them effectively consistently and with as much violence as necessaryWhat does that have to do with anything except some bizarre fantasy we should obliterate anyone who might threaten us as if that is the only viable approach to every situation?

[Skeptic Ginger]

I really don't think this jerk really hopes for an attack on USA soil. I think he's just making an extremely exaggerated and hyperbolic point. Yes, what he said was monumentally stupid, but I just can't believe he is wishing for a terrorist attack on the USA.

The guy is guilty of stupidity, not of sadism.

Keep in mind, I still hate the idiot.Seems to me he'd like to see us drop the bomb on Iran or the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan regardless of how many people die, including our soldiers. Why should he care if it takes a few thousand dead American civilians to achieve this goal of becoming dictator country in chief?

It's such an idiotic position. We need to get attacked because that will wake everyone up to the fact we could get attacked. What?

[thaiboxerken]

Yes, what he's saying is idiotic, but I think it's pure hyperbole.

[eeyore1954]

Wow, still dumping on Palin. How noble and classy of you. Seriously, that's pathetic.

And so is the guy in this news clip, and Glenn Beck. I hate Glenn Beck. I hated him when he was just on a radio, we had him for a while in the mornings locally, and I couldn't stand him. He should be ashamed for pushing such rhetoric.

But really, you guys need to get off the Palin obsession. It's none of your damn business what her children have done or haven't done, and her standing up for any kind of moral issues is absolutely irrelevant in the consideration, no matter how much you guys torture reality to try to make it so. It's a childish line of thinking. Completely. People can stand up for moral issues and still be flawed, or have made mistakes, or whatever. It shouldn't reflect on her in any way. Right is still right, and wrong is still wrong. But people want to think this somehow proves that moral stances are wrong and outdated, and offensive! What a bizzaro world we have come to inhabit...

Yes in this case for the most part she did the right thing. She loved and supported her daughter after she got in trouble.

[eeyore1954]

So a prominent conservative Republican commentator openly calls for Osama bin Laden to attack the United States, and you're pissed because someone made an offhand crack about Sarah Palin's daughter having a kid out of wedlock.

If anything here is pathetic, it's your sense of priorities.

Maybe "you guys" need to clean up your own frelling house before telling everyone else not to track mud in theirs.
He didn't call for Bin Laden to attack America and it wasn't Beck who said it. Although his comment could cause some nut to think I will "save" America by staging a terrorist attack and hoping it gets blamed on Muslims.

[eeyore1954]

Fear and greed? I would say that is a key source of momentum for both parties.

PASS THE FRICKEN STIMULUS NOW OR ELSE THERE ARE DIRE CONSEQUENCES, THE EARMARKS CANT WAIT!
True both parties used fear to pass big bills (TARP and the stimulus).
If fact Bush's claims of immediate doom and gloom were much worse than when Obama's stimulus bill was passed.

[Undesired Walrus]

You really think Scheuer WANTS the USA to suffer a major terrorist attack?

Give me a break. He is a brave American and loves this country.

Can't really think what makes Scheuer all that brave. I know he ran a 'Find Bin Laden' operation and then started hanging out with Ron Paul (Whilst declaring that the attacks of 9/11 were America's own fault).

[thaiboxerken]

Maybe it's brave to say stupid nonsense on national tv.

[dudalb]

Can't really think what makes Scheuer all that brave. I know he ran a 'Find Bin Laden' operation and then started hanging out with Ron Paul (Whilst declaring that the attacks of 9/11 were America's own fault).



In other words, a bureaucrat who failed in his mission was forced out of his job, and then in his anger went over to the Other Side. Nothing new about that.

[dudalb]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.

[dudalb]

What Scheuer said really isn't insane. Another attack by OBL would almost certainly drive Americans out of their minds further than the last time, more than ever willing to ignore Constitutional limits on government power, in addition to adding fervor to get OBL.

What is possibly insane is the wistful gleam in the eyes of neocons at the prospect of such an opportunity. It's not clear to me that Scheuer shares that extreme view though the clip seems to indicate the possibility. Despite his well justified criticism of the WOT, he's always clearly been a hawk.


Out of curiosity, what shoudl we have done after 9/11? Just forget about it with a UN resolution?
If a lot of conservative are super hawks,then a lot of libertals in their hearts of hearts want peace talks with Al Quida.

[thaiboxerken]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.

What do you base this absurd claim on?

[shecky]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.

This is a silly thing to say for a few reasons. Is Scheuer isolationist? Leftist isolationists make no secret about their isolationist leanings. Furthermore, isolationism isn't a staple position of the left. And it seems to be as much a part of the right as the left.


Out of curiosity, what shoudl we have done after 9/11? Just forget about it with a UN resolution?

This seems to have been hashed out pretty clearly by now. The answer seems to involve going after OBL and the folks behind 9/11, and staying out of Iraq.

If a lot of conservative are super hawks,then a lot of libertals in their hearts of hearts want peace talks with Al Quida.

You're making no sense. If a lot of conservatives are "super hawks", it has no bearing on whether a lot of liberals want peace talks with AQ. Furthermore, while I can point to many conservatives who are very actively foreign policy hawks, I can't think of anyone who has advocated peace talks with AQ. I'm not sure anyone even knows how such a thing could be carried out.

The window for swift justice for 9/11 has long since passed. Increasingly (and quite reasonably), folks will resign to just giving up on the whole endeavor as time passses. Unless AQ makes another attack as Scheurer suggests.

[Skeptic Ginger]

The wierd thing is a I think a lot of people on the Left secretly agree with Scheuer's isolationist position, they just don't want to say so outloud.Projecting or wishful thinking? :rolleyes:

[Skeptic Ginger]

Your thread title reveals typical maximum bias with minimal information.
FOX News did not say "OBL is our only hope." The Media Matters excerpt has to be your only contact with FOX News.By that standard, FN has never said anything. Only the people on FN ever say anything.

[GreyICE]

By that standard, FN has never said anything. Only the people on FN ever say anything.

Ah you grasp it! And the fact that Fox news only has on people who say certain viewpoints is just a long-running coincidence. And you know that it's silly for any good skeptic to say anything else. I mean they coincidentally have O'Reilly, Hannity, and Beck, and they coincidentally bring on batguano insane guests and their hosts coincidentally agree with them. Also I didn't wear any shoes when I went walking in the rain and coincidentally my feet got wet.

[Cicero]

By that standard, FN has never said anything. Only the people on FN ever say anything.

Michael Scheuer is the CBS News Terrorism Analyst. Is CBS saying what Scheuer says? Here he is on the NPR Diane Rehm Show. Is NPR saying what Scheuer says?


http://wamu.org/programs/dr/05/11/03.php

[Skeptic Ginger]

Michael Scheuer is the CBS News Terrorism Analyst. Is CBS saying what Scheuer says? Here he is on the NPR Diane Rehm Show. Is NPR saying what Scheuer says?


http://wamu.org/programs/dr/05/11/03.phpIf you had a link to the transcript I could comment, but I'm not going to listen to the audio version as it is too long. It would depend on the views Scheuer expressed in the interview and on the reaction Rehm had to his views.

Beck nodded in agreement with Scheuer and Scheuer's viewpoint in this case was consistent with Fox's consistent NeoCon position.

[Marc39]

Edited to remove modded portion of quoted post. Dr.Marc Lamont Hill,
Dr. Michael Eric Dyson,
Jane Fleming,
Mora Liasson,
Jane Hall,
Geraldo,
Kirsten Powers,
Ellis Henican,
Marvin Kalb,
Al Sharpton,
Lanny Davis,
Amy Stoddard,
Flavia Colvin,
Mort Kondracke,
Juan Williams,
Rachel Sklar,

Edited to remove modded portion of quoted post.

Such a mixture of political POVs is no doubt a key reason that a Pew research study found a significant segment of Fox's audience is comprised of Dems and Indies. Fox would not be the ratings leader, by a massive margin, by merely being an outlet for the RNC.

[thaiboxerken]

Help me, OB Laden, you're our only hope!

[Skeptic Ginger]

That is crazy. I would like to say that you and GreyIce must know what you are saying is crazy, but I have my doubts.

Are you at all able to distinguish between the comments made by guests on a show and those made by the presenter?

The evidence seems to suggest not.Don't lump me in with my arch enemies. ;)

Of course Fox is not represented by every comment uttered on its station. If you read what I posted that is not what I said. I was rebutting the argument that they were not represented by any person speaking on the station.


In this particular case, Beck agreed with him and Beck is a Fox program that does represent their political point of view. Which brings up another issue. See my next post.

[Darth Rotor]

Help me, OB Laden, you're our only hope!

:D

Well played.

[quixotecoyote]

Help me, OB Laden, you're our only hope!

So it was said, let it be done....

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/quixotecoyote/oneoffs/Sheuer.png

[Dancing David]

So it was said, let it be done....

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f253/quixotecoyote/oneoffs/Sheuer.png

Bravo!

:D

[Skeptic Ginger]

The fact that someone else has the same ridiculous opinion you do does not make said opinion any less ridiculous.My thoughts exactly. This is the first I've heard anyone say such nonsense. But of course, once someone plays the anti-Semite card, just like the persecuting Christians card, the community that perceives the persecution starts up the echo chamber.

Wiki has added a section (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism) on this claim. I say someone with a chip on their shoulder probably took it personal when some of the people slurred with the NeoCon title happened to include some very Pro-Israeli/anti-Palestinian members as well as the fact the NeoCon attitude in the last couple decades has been very pro-Israel.

It remains absurd to think the title applies specifically to Jews. It applies to the crowd that ignores the plight of the Palestinians which happens to include some Jews. But it does not apply to Jews. Do the people claiming this absurdity think Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are Jews?

[billydkid]

I have seen "conservatives" make this same claim before - that what we need is a good terrorist attack. Based on this clip, I'm not really sure what they are talking about. What is it Obama is not doing enough of to "protect us"? In what way is the US not be violent enough? It strikes me as horrifying that anyone would endorse a terrorist attack. What is also baffling is Glen Beck saying that attacking us would be the last thing Osama would do if he was smart. Well, Osama is smart, so I guess Obama's strategy for protecting the country is working well. If attacking us is the last thing they would do, how can you also make the claim that we are less safe?

[Tricky]

I've been handing out infractions like candy, all for the same thing: Ignoring a mod box not to bicker. I've also moved about a third of the thread to AAH.

You really should take mod boxes more seriously. Now please stay on topic and quit attacking each other.