Bill Explains 9/11 in depth

[triforcharity]

Here you go Bill, your VERY OWN THREAD!!!


TA DAAA!!!!!

Now, please explain, in as much detail as possible, how 9/11 happend. Don't leave anything out. I am your personal soapbox.

[alienentity]

Sound of crickets..

[Thunder]

Bill? Bill who?

[alienentity]

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/304704a4d71365ad9e.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16840)

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Now, please explain, in as much detail as possible, how 9/11 happend. Don't leave anything out. I am your personal soapbox.

"Black Ops" Haliburton ninjas lacing the WTC towers with super-duper-double-top-secret-probation noiseless nano-thermite (code name: "Hush-A-Boom"), then swooping away in the eerie, pre-dawn stillness of 9/11 astride giant mutant pterodactyls, specially bio-engineered from the DNA of Dick Cheney. Duh. :cool:

[triforcharity]

Hush-a-boom, I can't stop laughing...... LOL. There is now pepperoni pizza on my laptop screen and keyboard. LOL!

[BigBird]

"Black Ops" Haliburton ninjas lacing the WTC towers with super-duper-double-top-secret-probation noiseless nano-thermite (code name: "Hush-A-Boom"), then swooping away in the eerie, pre-dawn stillness of 9/11 astride giant mutant pterodactyls, specially bio-engineered from the DNA of Dick Cheney. Duh. :cool:

Oh come on, the Jews must be in on it somehow!! :D

Maybe they're Kosher Ninjas? :eek:

[triforcharity]

Kosher Ninjas..... I like this idea. For some reason, every time I hear Kosher, I think pickeled. Pickeled ninjas???? Lol,

[The Platypus]

I have yet to hear a complete explanation in detail from start to finish from a 911 cult minion.

Will Bill be the first?

Experience tells me, not likely.

[Audible Click]

I love the sound of Twoofie silence.

[tsig]

Kosher Ninjas..... I like this idea. For some reason, every time I hear Kosher, I think pickeled. Pickeled ninjas????

Lol,


They stay drunk throughout the whole mission. Ensures security 'cause they can't remember.

[bill smith]

Ryan Mackey wrote: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4868020&posted=1#post4868020

Not that I have any hope of reaching the deluded, but for the rest of you, the scenario described above is physically impossible. Thermite cannot vaporize steel. If so, one would expect it to vaporize itself, but it does not. That requires much more energy.

One also cannot easily attack steel that is embedded in concrete with thermite. Concrete by its very nature contains a cement hydrate, and upon exposure to great heat, concrete spalls -- the water is liberated, causing the concrete to become brittle, flake apart, or even literally explode under the right conditions. This would surely scatter whatever thermite or reacted thermite products were nearby.

And, as others have noted, attacking the floor pans is not only unnecessary, and contrary to what was seen on video, but also counter-productive... While one probably could initiate a pancake-style collapse by failing (or "evaporating," nyuk nyuk) enough floors, it's much more effective to go after the columns themselves. Why even bother attacking the concrete? What's the point? Why not leave them there, to pull on the perimeter and introduce a crippling load?

Just another example of how a Truth Movement hypothesis, when finally teased to the surface, goes far beyond merely making no sense at all.

Until this is rectified -- and, with the eight year mark around the corner, I state with confidence it never will -- the Truth Movement is a laughing stock, full stop.


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I hypothesise that somethng like nanothermite ws used on most ofthe individual floors for the following reasons.

1. Even though there is very little broken concrete in the rubble that can be mostly explained by it's having been converted to dust. The same reasoning cannot be applied to explain where the 80 acres or so of steel mesh reinforcing that was in those floors is gone. Nor can it expain where the thousands of floorpans that the concrete was poured into are gone.

2. Conventonal explosives or a gravity collapse would leave the steel mesh mostly intact. It would certainly be very plentiful in the rubble after the collapse.

So the fact that the steel mesh and the floorpans are notably absent in the rubble piles leads me to consider whether nanotermite as the culprit.

I note that you contnually refer to ''Thermite' and not 'nanothermite' which is a beast of a different colour altogether.

In fact maybe you should watch this little video on nanotechnology to get an idea of the possibilities.
http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/189?gclid=CKSqy9mqypgCFQZqswodF1Pb1Q

Nanothermite gives a massively enhanced performnce over regular Thermite. The particles areso small that they can even enter human cells. So I think the concrete microstructure of the floors may have been impregnated with nanothermite. On ignition of the nanothermite any water oresent in the concrete (and there always is some) would have instantly boiled, blowing the concrete into the dust clouds we saw. Some say that the temperatures reached could be 5,000 degrees- more than enough to evaporate or vapourise the steel mesh and the floorpans.

Remember...the steel mesh and the floorpans had to go somewhere and they do not appear to be in the rubble. If you have ever seen chickenwire in rubble you will have some idea how the WTC rubble should have looked- mesh sticking out every which way, one eighth of a square mile of it..

[Stellafane]

Ryan Mackey wrote: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4868020&posted=1#post4868020

Not that I have any hope of reaching the deluded, but for the rest of you, the scenario described above is physically impossible. Thermite cannot vaporize steel. If so, one would expect it to vaporize itself, but it does not. That requires much more energy.

One also cannot easily attack steel that is embedded in concrete with thermite. Concrete by its very nature contains a cement hydrate, and upon exposure to great heat, concrete spalls -- the water is liberated, causing the concrete to become brittle, flake apart, or even literally explode under the right conditions. This would surely scatter whatever thermite or reacted thermite products were nearby.

And, as others have noted, attacking the floor pans is not only unnecessary, and contrary to what was seen on video, but also counter-productive... While one probably could initiate a pancake-style collapse by failing (or "evaporating," nyuk nyuk) enough floors, it's much more effective to go after the columns themselves. Why even bother attacking the concrete? What's the point? Why not leave them there, to pull on the perimeter and introduce a crippling load?

Just another example of how a Truth Movement hypothesis, when finally teased to the surface, goes far beyond merely making no sense at all.

Until this is rectified -- and, with the eight year mark around the corner, I state with confidence it never will -- the Truth Movement is a laughing stock, full stop.


************************************

I hypothesise that somethng like nanothermite ws used on most ofthe individual floors for the following reasons.

1. Even though there is very little broken concrete in the rubble that can be mostly explained by it's having been converted to dust. The same reasoning cannot be applied to explain where the 80 acres or so of steel mesh reinforcing that was in those floors is gone. Nor can it expain where the thousands of floorpans that the concrete was poured into are gone.

2. Conventonal explosives or a gravity collapse would leave the steel mesh mostly intact. It would certainly be very plentiful in the rubble after the collapse.

So the fact that the steel mesh and the floorpans are notably absent in the rubble piles leads me to consider whether nanotermite as the culprit.

I note that you contnually refer to ''Thermite' and not 'nanothermite' which is a beast of a different colour altogether.

In fact maybe you should watch this little video on nanotechnology to get an idea of the possibilities.
http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/189?gclid=CKSqy9mqypgCFQZqswodF1Pb1Q

Nanothermite gives a massively enhanced performnce over regular Thermite. The particles areso small that they can even enter human cells. So I think the concrete microstructure of the floors may have been impregnated with nanothermite. On ignition of the nanothermite any water oresent in the concrete (and there always is some) would have instantly boiled, blowing the concrete into the dust clouds we saw. Some say that the pemperatures reached could be 5,000 degrees- more than enough to evaporate or vapourise the steel mesh and the floorpans.

Remember...the steel mesh and the floorpans had to go somewhere and they do not appear to be in the rubble. If you have ever seen chickenwire in rubble you will have some idea how the WTC rubble should have loked- mesh sticking out every which way, one eighth of a square mile of it..

Hi Bill. Do you have any thoughts on how the concrete "microstructure" of the floors was impregnated with nanothermite, and by whom?

[funk de fino]

As suspected Bill has no depth. Just like one of the cartoon cutouts at the video store when they are advertising a new movie.

Matter just dissappears!!

I think he better also check with Steven Jones about just being dust left from the concrete. His papers debunk this AFAIR.

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

I hypothesise that somethng like nanothermite

No (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4862233&postcount=3), and no again (http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=4865245&postcount=21).

:rolleyes:

[T.A.M.]

Ryan Mackey wrote: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4868020&posted=1#post4868020

Not that I have any hope of reaching the deluded, but for the rest of you, the scenario described above is physically impossible. Thermite cannot vaporize steel. If so, one would expect it to vaporize itself, but it does not. That requires much more energy.

One also cannot easily attack steel that is embedded in concrete with thermite. Concrete by its very nature contains a cement hydrate, and upon exposure to great heat, concrete spalls -- the water is liberated, causing the concrete to become brittle, flake apart, or even literally explode under the right conditions. This would surely scatter whatever thermite or reacted thermite products were nearby.

And, as others have noted, attacking the floor pans is not only unnecessary, and contrary to what was seen on video, but also counter-productive... While one probably could initiate a pancake-style collapse by failing (or "evaporating," nyuk nyuk) enough floors, it's much more effective to go after the columns themselves. Why even bother attacking the concrete? What's the point? Why not leave them there, to pull on the perimeter and introduce a crippling load?

Just another example of how a Truth Movement hypothesis, when finally teased to the surface, goes far beyond merely making no sense at all.

Until this is rectified -- and, with the eight year mark around the corner, I state with confidence it never will -- the Truth Movement is a laughing stock, full stop.


************************************

I hypothesise that somethng like nanothermite ws used on most ofthe individual floors for the following reasons.

1. Even though there is very little broken concrete in the rubble that can be mostly explained by it's having been converted to dust. The same reasoning cannot be applied to explain where the 80 acres or so of steel mesh reinforcing that was in those floors is gone. Nor can it expain where the thousands of floorpans that the concrete was poured into are gone.

2. Conventonal explosives or a gravity collapse would leave the steel mesh mostly intact. It would certainly be very plentiful in the rubble after the collapse.

So the fact that the steel mesh and the floorpans are notably absent in the rubble piles leads me to consider whether nanotermite as the culprit.

I note that you contnually refer to ''Thermite' and not 'nanothermite' which is a beast of a different colour altogether.

In fact maybe you should watch this little video on nanotechnology to get an idea of the possibilities.
http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/189?gclid=CKSqy9mqypgCFQZqswodF1Pb1Q

Nanothermite gives a massively enhanced performnce over regular Thermite. The particles areso small that they can even enter human cells. So I think the concrete microstructure of the floors may have been impregnated with nanothermite. On ignition of the nanothermite any water oresent in the concrete (and there always is some) would have instantly boiled, blowing the concrete into the dust clouds we saw. Some say that the temperatures reached could be 5,000 degrees- more than enough to evaporate or vapourise the steel mesh and the floorpans.

Remember...the steel mesh and the floorpans had to go somewhere and they do not appear to be in the rubble. If you have ever seen chickenwire in rubble you will have some idea how the WTC rubble should have looked- mesh sticking out every which way, one eighth of a square mile of it..

So I am getting the impression you feel thermite was used to melt the steel columns in the WTCs.

Bill you do realize this is in contradiction to Steven Jones, the originator of the Thermite theory, who now believes (as stated to Dr. F. Greening) that the nanothermite was used merely in the fuses to detonate traditional explosives in the WTCs.

Keep up.

TAM;)

[FineWine]

Ryan Mackey wrote: http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?p=4868020&posted=1#post4868020

Not that I have any hope of reaching the deluded, but for the rest of you, the scenario described above is physically impossible. Thermite cannot vaporize steel. If so, one would expect it to vaporize itself, but it does not. That requires much more energy.

One also cannot easily attack steel that is embedded in concrete with thermite. Concrete by its very nature contains a cement hydrate, and upon exposure to great heat, concrete spalls -- the water is liberated, causing the concrete to become brittle, flake apart, or even literally explode under the right conditions. This would surely scatter whatever thermite or reacted thermite products were nearby.

And, as others have noted, attacking the floor pans is not only unnecessary, and contrary to what was seen on video, but also counter-productive... While one probably could initiate a pancake-style collapse by failing (or "evaporating," nyuk nyuk) enough floors, it's much more effective to go after the columns themselves. Why even bother attacking the concrete? What's the point? Why not leave them there, to pull on the perimeter and introduce a crippling load?

Just another example of how a Truth Movement hypothesis, when finally teased to the surface, goes far beyond merely making no sense at all.

Until this is rectified -- and, with the eight year mark around the corner, I state with confidence it never will -- the Truth Movement is a laughing stock, full stop.


************************************

I hypothesise that somethng like nanothermite ws used on most ofthe individual floors for the following reasons.

1. Even though there is very little broken concrete in the rubble that can be mostly explained by it's having been converted to dust. The same reasoning cannot be applied to explain where the 80 acres or so of steel mesh reinforcing that was in those floors is gone. Nor can it expain where the thousands of floorpans that the concrete was poured into are gone.

2. Conventonal explosives or a gravity collapse would leave the steel mesh mostly intact. It would certainly be very plentiful in the rubble after the collapse.

So the fact that the steel mesh and the floorpans are notably absent in the rubble piles leads me to consider whether nanotermite as the culprit.

I note that you contnually refer to ''Thermite' and not 'nanothermite' which is a beast of a different colour altogether.

In fact maybe you should watch this little video on nanotechnology to get an idea of the possibilities.
http://www.kqed.org/quest/television/view/189?gclid=CKSqy9mqypgCFQZqswodF1Pb1Q

Nanothermite gives a massively enhanced performnce over regular Thermite. The particles areso small that they can even enter human cells. So I think the concrete microstructure of the floors may have been impregnated with nanothermite. On ignition of the nanothermite any water oresent in the concrete (and there always is some) would have instantly boiled, blowing the concrete into the dust clouds we saw. Some say that the temperatures reached could be 5,000 degrees- more than enough to evaporate or vapourise the steel mesh and the floorpans.

Remember...the steel mesh and the floorpans had to go somewhere and they do not appear to be in the rubble. If you have ever seen chickenwire in rubble you will have some idea how the WTC rubble should have looked- mesh sticking out every which way, one eighth of a square mile of it..


To paraphrase Voltaire, if you didn't exist, debunkers would have to invent you.

[Mr.Herbert]

Bill you do realize this is in contradiction to Steven Jones, the originator of the Thermite theory, who now believes (as stated to Dr. F. Greening) that the nanothermite was used merely in the fuses to detonate traditional explosives in the WTCs.


I didn't hear this. TAM, where did you read this?

[Dr. Tobias Fünke]

I have yet to hear a complete explanation in detail from start to finish from a 911 cult minion.

Will Bill be the first?

Experience tells me, not likely.

You're wrong. It's all been explained (and in great detail too!) in the following thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=128473

[~enigma~]

Since when was calling out another member allowed?

[T.A.M.]

I didn't hear this. TAM, where did you read this?
right here,

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/active-thermitic-material-in-wtc-dust-t150-30.html



Re: Active Thermitic Material in WTC Dust

Postby Dr. G on Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:37 pm

Metamars,

I see little value in pondering all the ways one could make exotic magnetic bi-layered materials containing Fe, Al and Si. I'm sure there are many laboratory-scale methods that could be found in the literature to make all sorts of fancy coatings.

However, I believe it's more useful to consider how such materials could have been used to destroy the Twin Towers. And here's where I have problems, .... BIG problems.

I've already done a calculation, (see my post from a few days ago), of how much heat energy a layer of nano-thermite (such as the one allegedly found by Jones et al) could generate. And, by the way, you have not commented on this calculation as you said you would. Nevertheless, my conclusion was that Jones' chips would do no more than slightly warm a WTC column!

So when I bounced my calculations and conclusions off Jones et al, all he could come up with was the suggestion that there were probably other explosives used in the WTC and the nanothermite chips were maybe just fuses!

Thus, after all the fuss about high-tech nano-thermites, we are back to good-old "bombs in the buildings" as the answer to how the buildings were destroyed.


TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Since when was calling out another member allowed?

allowed versus poor form are two different things.

TAM:)

[bill smith]

allowed versus poor form are two different things.

TAM:)

The nanothermite chips were residues of unreacted thermite and some kind of backing or binder. That may have been used for fuses as Jones says. But that says nothing abut the much larger volumes of thermite without the special backing that may have fully reacted leaving behind only the billions of microspheres of previously vapourised steel as evidence.

[sylvan8798]

I hypothesise that somethng like nanothermite ws used on most ofthe individual floors for the following reasons.

1. Even though there is very little broken concrete in the rubble that can be mostly explained by it's having been converted to dust. The same reasoning cannot be applied to explain where the 80 acres or so of steel mesh reinforcing that was in those floors is gone. Nor can it expain where the thousands of floorpans that the concrete was poured into are gone.

If you had any proof that it had actually "gone" anywhere, that would be a good start.



So I think the concrete microstructure of the floors may have been impregnated with nanothermite.

How did they get it in there? Mop it on? You do realize the floors were covered with carpet, terrazzo, tile, office furniture, walls, etc.?


On ignition of the nanothermite any water oresent in the concrete (and there always is some) would have instantly boiled, blowing the concrete into the dust clouds we saw. Some say that the temperatures reached could be 5,000 degrees- more than enough to evaporate or vapourise the steel mesh and the floorpans.


Seems like we would have noticed 220 acres of crap heated to 5000 degrees flying around Manhattan. Any idea how much light and heat that would have given off? There were no reports that people were burned to death by some expanding/falling boiling hot dust cloud. Why not? If the slabs were being heated to 5000 degrees, how did this hot stuff avoid heating the nearby columns comparably and causing lots of melty stuff there?

It boggles the mind the lengths you have to go to to make this work.

[FineWine]

The nanothermite chips were residues of unreacted thermite and some kind of backing or binder. That may have been used for fuses as Jones says. But that says nothing abut the much larger volumes of thermite without the special backing that may have fully reacted leaving behind only the billions of microspheres of previously vapourised steel as evidence.


There were no "nanothermite chips."

[Thunder]

what is "thermite"?

[Regnad Kcin]

The nanothermite chips were residues of unreacted thermite and some kind of backing or binder. That may have been used for fuses as Jones says. But that says nothing abut the much larger volumes of thermite without the special backing that may have fully reacted leaving behind only the billions of microspheres of previously vapourised steel as evidence.Bill, is there a reason you drone on and on about a conspiracy with regard to 9/11 that, in any way it has been postulated, is 100% impossible? Any reason at all?

[BigAl]

The nanothermite chips were residues of unreacted thermite and some kind of backing or binder. That may have been used for fuses as Jones says. But that says nothing abut the much larger volumes of thermite without the special backing that may have fully reacted leaving behind only the billions of microspheres of previously vapourised steel as evidence.

There was no "vaporized steel" at WTC until the steel workers got there and started to clean up the pile.

Vaporized steel is well above the temperatures for which welder's goggles are required. Thousands of New Yorkers would have been blinded by the resulting light.

[alienentity]

what is "thermite"?

As one wit on JREF put it (can't find the original), Thermite is whatever truthers need it to be.

[TruthersLie]

alien.
I thought that was super duper stealthy, silent, will do your homework, clean your room, have sex with you, slices, dices and even makes julian fries nanothermite (otherwise known as Hush a bomb. (from someone else))

[The Platypus]

You're wrong. It's all been explained (and in great detail too!) in the following thread:

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=128473

I'm not wrong, i've never read that thread before.

And upon reading it.

It looks more like a quick skim over and it even says it's a "short summary" and it's in point form... hmmm...

This is like ordering a surf and turf of steak and lobster and getting a tuna sandwich with a piece of bologna on it...

[Dr. Tobias Fünke]

I'm not wrong, i've never read that thread before.

And upon reading it.

It looks more like a quick skim over and it even says it's a "short summary" and it's in point form... hmmm...

This is like ordering a surf and turf of steak and lobster and getting a tuna sandwich with a piece of bologna on it...

Inside that thread you find this goldmine, more "information" and details than anyone could ever want:

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qhtLksupqDs/SQlwo9U4zuI/AAAAAAAAABA/Cqp3_WOI3TM/s1600-h/911-solution.jpg


Have at it, it'll be like ordering Surf and Turf and being stampeded by a bull with a lobster in its a55.

[T.A.M.]

The nanothermite chips were residues of unreacted thermite and some kind of backing or binder. That may have been used for fuses as Jones says. But that says nothing abut the much larger volumes of thermite without the special backing that may have fully reacted leaving behind only the billions of microspheres of previously vapourised steel as evidence.

well of course, what was I thinking!!!

TAM;):boggled:;)

[Pardalis]

Come on guys, why do you keep giving attention to this guy?

Bill Smith seriously proposed that the "new investigation" should be a reality TV show with call ins.

[The Platypus]

Inside that thread you find this goldmine, more "information" and details than anyone could ever want:

http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qhtLksupqDs/SQlwo9U4zuI/AAAAAAAAABA/Cqp3_WOI3TM/s1600-h/911-solution.jpg


Have at it, it'll be like ordering Surf and Turf and being stampeded by a bull with a lobster in its a55.


Well as i said, i have never seen written out like that before. Now that i have, i can see why it is rarely done. WOW... It is quite the wildly delusional work of fiction that looks like it was conjured up by neo nazi's with their pants around their ankles.

That was more like ordering the surf and turf and getting unicorn and mermaid with a side order of crazy.

[Bobert]

ignore works great folks and helps to prevent threads such as this.

[Woody-]

NWO Meeting

Agent one: Lets blow up the WTC towers and blame it on Muslims.

Agent two: Great idea. It shouldn't be too hard to sneak in enough explosives this time, too bad we miscalculated in 93.

Agent one: Naw, regular explosives would be to much of a giveaway. Lets just get a hold of enough nanothermite to impregnate the concrete microstructure of every floor, that would be much easier wouldn't it?



Sure that make perfect sense to me.

[tfk]

Come on guys, why do you keep giving attention to this guy?

Bill Smith seriously proposed that the "new investigation" should be a reality TV show with call ins.
.
Our version of Jerry Springer?

Here's bill & Chris7 settling who gets credit for the latest lame-brain theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqpXLRlkHk0

!!!...MIDGET FIGHT...!!!

The only unsettled question is "which one is doing the pole dance"?

Tom

[triforcharity]

I just figured we all needed a laugh. Sometimes, I just come on here to reaad the lastest comedy skits. Its entertaining. Sometimes I actually have a meaningful conversation with someone.

Heck, its like a hockey game. I go to hockey games just to see the fights. If a game breaaks up the fighting, oh well!! Right?/

[FineWine]

The nanothermite chips were residues of unreacted thermite and some kind of backing or binder. That may have been used for fuses as Jones says. But that says nothing abut the much larger volumes of thermite without the special backing that may have fully reacted leaving behind only the billions of microspheres of previously vapourised steel as evidence.


The "nanothermite" chips were, as you know, shown by the materials scientist who posts as "Sunstealer" to be red paint.

[FineWine]

Bill, is there a reason you drone on and on about a conspiracy with regard to 9/11 that, in any way it has been postulated, is 100% impossible? Any reason at all?


Your often-repeated question is being ignored by Bill as highly inconvenient to his incredibly stupid myths. You might try asking him why ALL of the predictions made by his insane movement failed. He loves that question.

[bill smith]

The "nanothermite" chips were, as you know, shown by the materials scientist who posts as "Sunstealer" to be red paint.

But unfortunately not in the traditional peer-reviewed way.Without that it carries little scientific weight.
Unlike he peer reviewed paper by the 8-man Jones team's paper which is fully peer reviewed I would remind you.

[Oscar]

Bill:
But unfortunately not in the traditional peer-reviewed way.Without that it carries little scientific weight.
Unlike he peer reviewed paper by the 8-man Jones team's paper which is fully peer reviewed I would remind you

You really don't know what peer reviewed means in the scientific community do you.

[dtugg]

But unfortunately not in the traditional peer-reviewed way.Without that it carries little scientific weight.
Unlike he peer reviewed paper by the 8-man Jones team's paper which is fully peer reviewed I would remind you.

Their garbage paper wasn't peer reviewed and you know this, liar. All one needs to get published in Bentham is $800.

[alienentity]

'Unlike he peer reviewed paper by the 8-man Jones team's paper which is fully peer reviewed I would remind you.'

LOL. By 'fully peer reviewed' do you refer to the Chief Editor of that journal RESIGNING out of professional protest? Or do you refer to the general lack of professional standards of Bentham as exposed by the bogus, nonsense paper which was going to be accepted (as soon as the $800.00 cheque cleared)?

Bentham's has been a disaster for Jones et al.. A professional embarrassment and cautionary tale.

What a twit.

[bill smith]

Their garbage paper wasn't peer reviewed and you know this, liar. All one needs to get published in Bentham is $800.

You should look to see if any of the hundreds of other people who have had papers peer reviewed by Bentham have found that their papers are not accepted in the wider scientific community. If that is not he case then we can safely say that Bentham's reviews are the real McCoy and by extension so is the Jones-Harrit paper on Nanothermites. in the WTC dust.

[Macgyver1968]

You should look to see if any of the hundreds of other people who have had papers peer reviewed by Bentham have found that their papers are not accepted in the wider scientific community. If that is not he case then we can safely say that Bentham's reviews are the real McCoy and by extension so is the Jones-Harrit paper on Nanothermites. in the WTC dust.

Just curious...Do you run into walls much wearing those blinders?

By your logic, we can safely say that the computer-generated nonsense paper that was submitted and accepted by Bentham is also, by extension, the real McCoy.

[alienentity]

Re: Bentham's reputation amongst scientists; spam solicitations etc..

http://www.library.yale.edu/~llicense/ListArchives/0804/msg00027.html

[tfk]

You should look to see if any of the hundreds of other people who have had papers peer reviewed by Bentham have found that their papers are not accepted in the wider scientific community. If that is not he case then we can safely say that Bentham's reviews are the real McCoy and by extension so is the Jones-Harrit paper on Nanothermites. in the WTC dust.


And by "we", you are, of course, speaking for all those folks that so clueless as to believe that, because a paper is published, it's results are automatically accepted by the wider scientific community.

It must be a great comfort to you, bill, that the completely ignorant can "safely say" anything. They have no credibility to put at risk.

[alienentity]

'"Bentham once enjoyed a reputation as a high-priced reputable scholarly publisher," comments Charles Oppenheim, professor of information science at UK-based Loughborough University, another researcher to be targeted by Bentham.
"In my view, it has damaged that reputation...."

Eysenbach, meanwhile, is less forgiving. Indeed, he is so angry that he is considering suing Bentham under anti-spam laws....

As is now evident, Bentham is not a communicative company. And while it has a presence in four countries — the United Arab Emirates, the Netherlands, Pakistan, and Illinois, USA — in all four jurisdictions the contact point is either a PO Box, or c/o address....'

http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/2008/04/some-background-on-bentham-open-but.html

[alienentity]

'As a publisher and editor of the Journal of Medical Internet Research, a leading open access journal (and the #2 cited health informatics journal), I am (as many of my colleagues) usually very sympathetic to any new open access journal start-ups, and I know that some sort of marketing is necessary to attract submissions from top authors (luckily, JMIR has survived its first 10 years and now naturally attracts submissions from top authors). While JMIR never engaged or engages in any unsolicited bulk emails (we send out content alerts only to users who have opted-in), some other (in particular open access publishers) seem to betray the trust and sympathy bonus they receive by many researchers by relentlessly spamming researchers' email accounts asking for articles / submissions.' Gunther Eysenbach

'My first spam award goes to Bentham Publishers, a "publisher" of "over 200" author-pays open access journals. In the past couple of months I have received no less than 11 emails from Bentham, all mostly identical in text and form, all signed by "Matthew Honan, Editorial Director, Bentham Science Publishers" or "Richard Scott, Editorial Director, Bentham Science Publishers", "inviting" me to submit research articles, reviews and letters to various journals (I got one email per journal!), including "The Open Operational Research Journal", "Open Business Journal", "Open Management Journal", "Open Bioinformatics Journal", "Open Ethics Journal", "Open Analytical Chemistry Journal" and so on - all of them sent to me "because of your eminence in the field" (wow, I didn't know I was so eminent in so many fields! As an aside, the claim that "this is no spam because you are eminent" defies any commonly accepted definition of spam - a message is spam if it is bulk and unsolicited, whether the recipients are all Nobel prize winners or not is irrelevant).

All pleas and begging from my side to stop the spamming, as well as clicking on any "unsubcribe" links did not stop the spam plague from Bentham.'


http://gunther-eysenbach.blogspot.com/2008/03/black-sheep-among-open-access-journals.html

[bill smith]

and despite all the impotent negativity that the jref can pile on Bentham it it sails forth into each new day, reputation unscathed and with new papers under review no doubt to join the hundreds of existing ones.
Until you guys perform a peer reviewed study of why Bentham is not a legitinate source for the peer review of scientific papers they (and the Jones- Harrit paper) stand unopposed and unchallenged in any way that counts.. What you might personally think is not worth a row of beans.

So until proven otherwise the plain fact is that Nanothermites have been found in abundance in the dust of the WTC...most certainlly meaning that the structures were brought down by controlled demolition on 9/11.

[triforcharity]

Bill,

Explain in as much detail how the nano-thermite got in there. Explain why I didn't here many many explosions that day. I was freaking there, so........I should have heard them right?? Guess what.....I didn't hear massive explosions.

Explain this to me.....Considering I was on the corner of Veasey and Church st when I the first one came down, I was back a little when the second collapse occured, near the intersection of Veasey and Broadway, and near Church and Murray St when 7 came down. I remember it quite well, and didn't hear any massive explosions.

That's right.....Hush-a-boom!! Forgot about that.

[T.A.M.]

Guys,

come on. That single "peer review" as pathetic, and fraudulent, as it is, is the only thing they have. Let them have it. We all know the truth. Anyone who comes here will quickly also discover the truth about it.

If bill wants to hang on to it, then let him.

TAM;)

[J. Wellington Wimpy]

Until you guys perform a peer reviewed study of why Bentham is not a legitinate source for the peer review of scientific papers they (and the Jones- Harrit paper) stand unopposed and unchallenged in any way that counts..

Stundied!

:dl:

[Oscar]

I agree with T.A.M. Bill clearly isn't the brightest button in the box, so a little leeway should be allowed. In the same way that one allows one's young daughter to believe Justin Timberlake is a musical genius, one can let Bill have his fantasies about Bentham and peer review. It might be slightly tragic, but it is at least humane.

[MetalPig]

How does one get from "impregnated with nano-thermite" to "nano-thermite chips"?

[Justin39640]

How does one get from "impregnated with nano-thermite" to "nano-thermite chips"?

nano-blender

[tsig]

How does one get from "impregnated with nano-thermite" to "nano-thermite chips"?

It's called the miracle of birth.

[lapman]

Until you guys perform a peer reviewed study of why Bentham is not a legitinate source for the peer review of scientific papers they (and the Jones- Harrit paper) stand unopposed and unchallenged in any way that counts.. What you might personally think is not worth a row of beans.[/I]Um, post #48, #50 and especially #51 would be considered that peer-review.

[sylvan8798]

NWO Meeting:

EVILDOER 1: We have to demolish the towers separately, because airplanes and fires won't do it.

EVILDOER 2: Why demolish them at all? Won't planes flying into them be shocking and terrifying enough?

EVILDOER 1: No, the public will forget about that in a few days. Besides, Silverstein wants to get rid of them because there is some asbestos, and he wants insurance money.

EVILDOER 2: How will we do it?

EVILDOER 1: We have this special stuff we can add to cleaning solution and mop it on the floors and wash the carpets with it. It will cause stuff to explode.

EVILDOER 1: How will we set it off?

EVILDOER 1: Incantations with our magic wands.

EVILDOER 2: Won't people notice all those explosions?

EVILDOER 1: Sure, but we'll just say they were exploding copier machines. Always plenty of those around.

EVILDOER 1: Can't we just put some charges on the big columns and let gravity bring 'er down?

EVILDOER 2: We have to do that too, dork. But it's really key to vaporize the wire mesh, cause that's what holds the whole shebang together. Don't you know anything about structures? sheesh!

[FineWine]

But unfortunately not in the traditional peer-reviewed way.Without that it carries little scientific weight.
Unlike he peer reviewed paper by the 8-man Jones team's paper which is fully peer reviewed I would remind you.



You've been caught lying again. Jones and his accomplices paid to publish in a vanity journal with such shoddy standards that several of its editors have resigned in disgust. You are fully aware of these facts, having been beaten to a pulp in all the relevant threads.

Yes, your insane movement is dead in the water, but that does not excuse your desperate dishonesty.

[FineWine]

You should look to see if any of the hundreds of other people who have had papers peer reviewed by Bentham have found that their papers are not accepted in the wider scientific community. If that is not he case then we can safely say that Bentham's reviews are the real McCoy and by extension so is the Jones-Harrit paper on Nanothermites. in the WTC dust.



Wow! Bill Smith tried to use logic!!! The result was comparable to a chimpanzee attempting to play a Beethoven piano sonata.

[FineWine]

You should look to see if any of the hundreds of other people who have had papers peer reviewed by Bentham have found that their papers are not accepted in the wider scientific community. If that is not he case then we can safely say that Bentham's reviews are the real McCoy and by extension so is the Jones-Harrit paper on Nanothermites. in the WTC dust.


It's time for my monthly reminder. Jones and the other frauds have still refused to submit their "work" to an independent lab. The rubes are still defending the charlatans, but they are getting very sweaty.