My humble little youtube debunking project

[Edx]

Im going through Zeitgeists 911 conspiracy theories one claim at a time and I'll probably need input from you guys at points.

Took longer than I imagined especially as I had to use crappy MS Movie Maker.

Well its nothing you guys havent heard before, it doesnt include info on the actual manifests we have but figured I could add that at another time since I figure whats here debunks the claim enough.

So anyways, for what its worth:

Flight Manifests:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU2CVKtooxo


And yes I know I stole the feel of the thing from RKOwens7. :o

Also, if you find any errors, typos or have any suggestions, let me know.

[BigBird]

Excellent video. Just another example of simple explanations for the ludicrous CT claims out there... Thanks for sharing! :)

[Edx]

Thanks for watching!

Glad you liked it :)

[Tweeter]

I dont know why you bother,ED.
Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake.
You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.

[Dave Rogers]

You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.

So your claim is that the hijackers' names were correctly listed on the official flight manifest?

Dave

[T.A.M.]

So your claim is that the hijackers' names were correctly listed on the official flight manifest?

Dave

Trolling knows no sides.

TAM:)

[Edx]

I dont know why you bother,ED.
Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake.
You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.

It was not a proper manifest, Tweeter.

Secondly, if I thought the picture was an official "flight manifest" rather than just the seating arrangement that would be even better for my argument and make DRG even more wrong, wouldnt it?

:D

[Edx]

Tweeter,

There, I added some annotations, happy now?

[FineWine]

I dont know why you bother,ED.
Watching your video that is a little over 2 minutes long i found a mistake.
You say the Boston Globe had the seating arrangements which had the hijackers names and it was NOT a manifest. But we clearly see in the top left corner "American Airlines Flight Manifest". Debunked.



You are REALLY bad at this stuff.

[RedIbis]

The debunking of the DRG claim is effective but the text goes by way too fast, it's too small, and you have proofreading errors.

[Edx]

Thanks for the input RedIbis, I'll be making a new version which I'll be putting up along with part 2. I'll take into consideration the time aspects, thanks :)

[alienentity]

Nice work! I agree you could leave your text up longer. One can always freeze the vid though!!!

Tweeter, you're hilarious! Are you deliberately trying to make truthers look silly? If so, bravo..

[Brainster]

Good job, I will post at SLC. BTW, something of a logical fallacy here:

Is David R. Griffin incompetent, or did he omit this information on purpose?

False dichotomy; Griffin is incompetent and he omitted this information on purpose.

[McHrozni]

Content is good, but the pace is too quick. Let the text stay on a little bit longer in most cases, maybe by as much as 50% more time. Right now it can be a bit difficult to follow and there is nothing wrong in letting the damning words linger on screen :) Fade in and out would be nice too :)

Other than that, great work ;)

Oh and, something to help you a bit, in case you don't know it yet:
http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

McHrozni

[Bobert]

I would give it a fresh tomato.

[Edx]

Content is good, but the pace is too quick. Let the text stay on a little bit longer in most cases, maybe by as much as 50% more time. Right now it can be a bit difficult to follow and there is nothing wrong in letting the damning words linger on screen :) Fade in and out would be nice too :)

Ok this seems an over all consensus and I definitely will be doing this next time :D Thanks for the input!

Oh and, something to help you a bit, in case you don't know it yet:
http://www.conspiracyscience.com/articles/zeitgeist/

McHrozni

Actually I find this not so great, most of the 911 stuff is good but lacking and theres even a few errors i noticed. I prefer 911myths, debunking911, here and Mark Roberts etc :)

Plus Im not doing Part 1, I actually dont think the topics covered are given enough credit.

[McHrozni]

Ok this seems an over all consensus and I definitely will be doing this next time Thanks for the input!

You're perfectly welcome :) I'll subscribe to your channel now.

Actually I find this not so great, most of the 911 stuff is good but lacking and theres even a few errors i noticed. I prefer 911myths, debunking911, here and Mark Roberts etc :)

It's not nearly as in-depth about 9/11 as 911myths for example, but it tackles the rest of the Zeitgeist quite well. :) Just in case you ever decide to debunk the rest of the movie in such clips ;) *hint*

McHrozni

[Edx]

Good job, I will post at SLC. BTW, something of a logical fallacy here:

False dichotomy; Griffin is incompetent and he omitted this information on purpose.

Yes I see it now, I will add that to my revision list cheers.

[Edx]

Btw if anyone here can point me to the most RECENT example of Griffin using this claim it would be interesting to include that at the end.

[knife fight colobus]

Pretty solid. I agree with everyone about the text needing to be on a bit longer. I also think it could be a little bigger and/or thicker.

[Edx]

Btw if anyone here can point me to the most RECENT example of Griffin using this claim it would be interesting to include that at the end.

bump. if anyone knows the answer to the above I'd appreciate it.

[Edx]

Just in case anyone missed it go here for the new version. I wont spam this thread anymore :)

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=147662