Something Steven Jones should have a look at

[peteweaver]

I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_154904a4f80d7cc179.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16851)

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.

[Quad4_72]

Hmmmm. Looks more like thermite to me. Were there any paint chips on the ground you could collect?

[Justin39640]

I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_154904a4f80d7cc179.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16851)

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.

the tell tale sign that the beams at GZ were cut with oxy-acetylene torches is the pattern

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4553/cutbeam.jpg

when you cut steel with a torch you dont hold the flame perpendicular to the surface
it wont cut good that way
you cut at 45 degree angles to the face

the 1st time a "truth?"er sent me that pic i instantly recognized that pattern (as i use torches all the time)
its pretty stupid that some of them still use this pic as "evidence" years later

[Thunder]

the tell tale sign that the beams at GZ were cut with oxy-acetylene torches is the pattern

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4553/cutbeam.jpg

when you cut steel with a torch you dont hold the flame perpendicular to the surface
it wont cut good that way
r

looks like thermite residue to me!!!

[Justin39640]

looks like thermite residue to me!!!

lol yeah cause theres never any slag when you cut with a torch lol ;)

[alexi_drago]

What's all the wire mesh like stuff in the background?

[Justin39640]

What's all the wire mesh like stuff in the background?

must be bed frames
bill smith says theres no rebar at GZ
LMAO

[Grizzly Bear]

I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_154904a4f80d7cc179.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16851)

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.
Nano termites done it

[Justin39640]

Nano termites done it

i hate those lil buggers lol

[Juniversal]

I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_154904a4f80d7cc179.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16851)

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.I actually stumbled across a truther artical (don't have the link handy) that reasoned it was more reasonable to believe the beams were cut with "nano-thermite cutter charges" because it doesn't make sense to cut the beams at 45 degree angles lol.

[Grizzly Bear]

i hate those lil buggers lol

We observe these nano creatures in their natural habitat (http://www.timber.org.au/ewebeditpro4/upload/Z_termites_cwc.jpg)

[Senenmut]

the tell tale sign that the beams at GZ were cut with oxy-acetylene torches is the pattern

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4553/cutbeam.jpg

when you cut steel with a torch you dont hold the flame perpendicular to the surface
it wont cut good that way
you cut at 45 degree angles to the face

the 1st time a "truth?"er sent me that pic i instantly recognized that pattern (as i use torches all the time)
its pretty stupid that some of them still use this pic as "evidence" years later

maybe u can explain why these Oxy Acetylene torch cuts dont have slag dripping down the column.

start at about 1:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls&feature=PlayList&p=7AEDA5DC2BEB41E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

[fourtoe]

the tell tale sign that the beams at GZ were cut with oxy-acetylene torches is the pattern

http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/4553/cutbeam.jpg

when you cut steel with a torch you dont hold the flame perpendicular to the surface
it wont cut good that way
you cut at 45 degree angles to the face

the 1st time a "truth?"er sent me that pic i instantly recognized that pattern (as i use torches all the time)
its pretty stupid that some of them still use this pic as "evidence" years later

I argued with a Truther about this photo once. I told him that you can tell its not part of a CD because of the angle of the cut. They cut it that way so they can control which way the top part would fall.

The guy said why would they even care cause there was only debris around.

Absurd.

[fourtoe]

maybe u can explain why these Oxy Acetylene torch cuts dont have slag dripping down the column.

start at about 1:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls&feature=PlayList&p=7AEDA5DC2BEB41E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

That is a good question. But I would guess that this is because there are visible differences between the columns shown in the picture and in the video. The ones in the video do not seem to have very thick walls, at least when compared to the column in the photo.

I'm just putting this explanation out there, I'm sure someone knows a more concrete explanation for this.

[triforcharity]

That would have certainly won a stundie!! KFC, did you wet your pants laughing at that remark??

[DGM]

maybe u can explain why these Oxy Acetylene torch cuts dont have slag dripping down the column.

start at about 1:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls&feature=PlayList&p=7AEDA5DC2BEB41E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7
Because depending on the size of the piece your cutting and the skill of the operator, most of the slag is blown clear. Any other questions for this iron worker (me)?

[~enigma~]

I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

[/URL][URL]http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_154904a4f80d7cc179.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16851)

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.
Didn't know he was a member here or is there another reason for this thread?

[T.A.M.]

Didn't know he was a member here or is there another reason for this thread?

Obviously the other purpose is to annoy you.

TAM;)

[~enigma~]

Obviously the other purpose is to annoy you.

TAM;)
I got my own thread? Then where are the Salma Hayek pics?

[Senenmut]

Because depending on the size of the piece your cutting and the skill of the operator, most of the slag is blown clear. Any other questions for this iron worker (me)?

so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?

[Justin39640]

so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?

with the right setup you could cut that in a few minutes
obviously senenmut you have never held a torch

for everyone else i think you misunderstood me
i wasnt talking about the angle that the entire beam was cut on (there were lots of beams cut flat)
look closely at the pic again but only the face i circled here
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7987/cutbeam1.jpg
im talking about the slits at a 45 degree angle on the cut face (from outside to inside)
these are the torch marks
it was a fast sloppy cut (obviously speed was required not neat cuts) the slag was blown out the back of the cut and onto the front of the beam
explosives thermite whatever you want to think would never have left those marks

[peteweaver]

so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?

I've used cutting torches, when you use them to cut metal you press a trigger for an oxygen jet, you tend to get a shower of sparks (slag being blown clear). A lot of this depends on the thickness of the metal though, the thicker the metal that has to be cut, the more residual slag there will be left after the cut is made.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?

Have you see this pic yet, Senenmut?

http://www.layscience.net/files/wtc/9.jpg
9. Workmen cutting beams in the wreckage. Conspiracy theorists are for some reason obsessed with the idea that thermite was used in 9/11, in spite of the fact that thermite is used for cutting and welding, and never in demolitions (indeed, it would be practically impossible to set it up). They cite neatly cut beams as evidence of thermite being used, but ignore the fact that beams were neatly cut up by workmen operating after the collapse.

Taken from "Top Ten Photos 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts Hate" (http://layscience.net/node/124)

[T.A.M.]

I got my own thread? Then where are the Salma Hayek pics?

I wouldn't want to violate the rules of the forum, or the rules of decorum, with such a shock to your sensorum...Sir.

TAM;)

[~enigma~]

I wouldn't want to violate the rules of the forum, or the rules of decorum, with such a shock to your sensorum...Sir.

TAM;)
How about pics of Tia Carrere then?

[T.A.M.]

rules of the forum...hotlinking...you know.

I agree though, she is almost as much of a shock to the sensorum.

TAM:)

[Horatius]

for everyone else i think you misunderstood me
i wasnt talking about the angle that the entire beam was cut on (there were lots of beams cut flat)
look closely at the pic again but only the face i circled here
....

these are the torch marks
it was a fast sloppy cut (obviously speed was required not neat cuts) the slag was blown out the back of the cut and onto the front of the beam
explosives thermite whatever you want to think would never have left those marks



I just wanted to mention this; Thanks for pointing it out, I'd never noticed that detail before, and now that you have pointed it out, it's obvious. It's the little details like this that really show the difference between someone who really knows what they're talking about, and some guy just spouting off.

[Senenmut]

Have you see this pic yet, Senenmut?

http://www.layscience.net/files/wtc/9.jpg
9. Workmen cutting beams in the wreckage. Conspiracy theorists are for some reason obsessed with the idea that thermite was used in 9/11, in spite of the fact that thermite is used for cutting and welding, and never in demolitions (indeed, it would be practically impossible to set it up). They cite neatly cut beams as evidence of thermite being used, but ignore the fact that beams were neatly cut up by workmen operating after the collapse.

Taken from "Top Ten Photos 9/11 Conspiracy Nuts Hate" (http://layscience.net/node/124)

it looks like to me the guy is on the back side of the column which would make since that the slag is on that side. too bad we cant see the back of the column where he is cutting.

[Senenmut]

with the right setup you could cut that in a few minutes
obviously senenmut you have never held a torch

for everyone else i think you misunderstood me
i wasnt talking about the angle that the entire beam was cut on (there were lots of beams cut flat)
look closely at the pic again but only the face i circled here
http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7987/cutbeam1.jpg
im talking about the slits at a 45 degree angle on the cut face (from outside to inside)
these are the torch marks
it was a fast sloppy cut (obviously speed was required not neat cuts) the slag was blown out the back of the cut and onto the front of the beam
explosives thermite whatever you want to think would never have left those marks

just to be sure, you are stating it is an oxy-acetylene torch cut right? do all agree on this?
people have spouted thermite lance and plasma cutter as well.

[A W Smith]

so first off, do u believe this is an oxy-acetylene torch cut? is this a definate? ive heard all different kinds of stuff from debunkers like a thermite torch or a plasma cutter.

from what i remember, this a 4 inch piece of steel?

why is slag running down the front? from what i understand, the slag needs to be pushed out the back in order for it to cut right. the slag is just going to solidify in the cut if its not pushed through the back when it cuts.

how long would it take to cut through 4 inches of steel?

and when u say "most of the slag is blown clear" can u explain please? a hell of alot is dripping down the front compared to the youtube vid of oxy-acetylene torch cuts that have little or no slag?

here you go
debunked

again
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/burnthrough.jpg

[Senenmut]

here you go
debunked

again
http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm89/AWSmith1955/burnthrough.jpg

what did u debunk?

[phunk]

what did u debunk?

He showed you why the slag is on the outside of the beam (on the side facing us at least), they cut through from the other side.

[BigBird]

I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.

Were there iron spheres in the area?! :confused::confused:

;)

[Senenmut]

He showed you why the slag is on the outside of the beam (on the side facing us at least), they cut through from the other side.


did u notice that he is cutting horizontally at the base. the angle cut beam looks about 6 feet off the debris pile. and with the angle cut, im not sure how they would "cut through from the other side" to produce all that slag on the outside since "the other side" would be at the top of the beam (about 3 feet up).
are you going along with it being an oxy-acetylene torch cut? just curious.

[A W Smith]

I was walking into Kinlochleven on monday, following the route of the West Highland Way.

Walking down from the blackwater hydroelectric power station along the alcan service road, I noticed this piece of steel propping up a barrier.

Its self evident that it has not been sawn, it has signs of having melted, and in all likelihood by an Oxy Acetylene cutting torch.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_154904a4f80d7cc179.jpg

There were many more that had been cut just like this one.
The cuts resemble the cuts made to wtc steel cut during the cleanup.

You know what that steel was originally? and what they use to fuse sections of it together don't you?

[A W Smith]

did u notice that he is cutting horizontally at the base. the angle cut beam looks about 6 feet off the debris pile. and with the angle cut, im not sure how they would "cut through from the other side" to produce all that slag on the outside since "the other side" would be at the top of the beam (about 3 feet up).
are you going along with it being an oxy-acetylene torch cut? just curious.


you think they stopped excavating the debris when they made the cut? are you that stupid? Or do you NEED to believe conspiracy to support your feelings of being powerless?

[Justin39640]

did u notice that he is cutting horizontally at the base. the angle cut beam looks about 6 feet off the debris pile. and with the angle cut, im not sure how they would "cut through from the other side" to produce all that slag on the outside since "the other side" would be at the top of the beam (about 3 feet up).
are you going along with it being an oxy-acetylene torch cut? just curious.
yes
thats an oxy-acetylene torch
you can tell
portable plasma cutters would be no good on steel that thick
not to mention they need external AC power supply

the best fastest easiest way to cut all that metal was good old fashioned 6000+ degree oxy-acetylene
all you need is 2 tanks, a cart, regulators, a twin hose, and the torch, (striker or a lighter too lol)
like i said those marks are tell tale
from what i gather
the use of a "thermite torch" is to join metal not cut it
other than very short burning setups that would be impractical to use in a debris field like GZ

thermite torch examples
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[Justin39640]

as far as the front cut
looks like there might have been a hole there already
since cutting to where theres no metal is easier than going all the way around, this might also account for the reason it was cut on a 45 degree angle for the entire beam rather than flat
since an angled cut would be more work than cuttin it flush (longer cuts on 2 of 4 sides)

[peteweaver]

You know what that steel was originally? and what they use to fuse sections of it together don't you?

I know what you're getting at, but these supports are a bit too light weight to have been rails (well at least too lightweight to have been used for main line rolling stock).

Btw, on British railways, rails tend to have bolt & plate joins rather than thermite welds.

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/154904a51f8a5bfe42.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=16868)

[BasqueArch]

maybe u can explain why these Oxy Acetylene torch cuts dont have slag dripping down the column.

start at about 1:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls&feature=PlayList&p=7AEDA5DC2BEB41E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

It is not necessary to show a picture of someone making an angled cut to know that the angled cut was made after the collapses and not before. Deductive reasoning is sufficient.

(A) Photo of corner of WTC1 near WTC6, top right of picture, showing 12 “candlesticks” remaining after the collapse (one column at the first floor branching into three columns above).

http://www.studyof911.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=2350&fullsize=1

(B) Video of demolition contractor facing WTC6 showing three candlesticks left at the same WTC1 corner facing WTC6 after nine others have been cut at an angle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJyBuANVkQ4&eurl=http://debunking911.com/thermite.htm

… At this corner (A) the nine candlestick columns were removed by the wrecking crew after the collapse. (B) The welder’s cuts they made to remove the columns were at an angle, with or without slag. QED…

[BigAl]

maybe u can explain why these Oxy Acetylene torch cuts dont have slag dripping down the column.

start at about 1:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfgSr2eBXls&feature=PlayList&p=7AEDA5DC2BEB41E8&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=7

It's amazing what conclusions people with no relevant expertise can draw from a crappy video shot from 100 yards away from something.


Note for Bill: The steel worker in this video describes the pile as smaller than he expected it to be and it is explained by the fact that he cut debris away and found 14 floors of the tower compressed into just 8 feet of pile.

[Justin39640]

It's amazing what conclusions people with no relevant expertise can draw from a crappy video shot from 100 yards away from something.


Note for Bill: The steel worker in this video describes the pile as smaller than he expected it to be and it is explained by the fact that he cut debris away and found 14 floors of the tower compressed into just 8 feet of pile.

100 yards and panning
the shot never stopped to give a clear view