Was the air inside the fuselage factored in to NIST models and calculations?

[waypastvne]

I'm bringing this up because I have never heard anyone else discuss it. The way I see it, the air in the cabin is as much a part of the aircraft as anything else, in fact the largest part, having a volume of about 19500 cubic feet and a mass of 1500 pounds. That much air moving that fast has a lot of destructive potential and to leave it out of the equation would seem to be an oversight. For me, adding it in answers many questions: the explosions in the lobby and top of WTC 1, the hole in the C ring of the Pentagon, and the light debris that made it through the North Tower, such as Satam's passport.

To be brief, I have a video on youtube that visually illustrates my point.
Username waypastvne
video name 911 Miracle Passport

(new member can't post video links/could somebody please link it for me)

The opinions in it are mine, and I know I'm not always right. I'd appreciate if the members here would view it and let me know if I have any thing wrong so I can change it.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

For me, adding it in answers many questions: the explosions in the lobby and top of WTC 1 [...]


Err... You think the air inside the cabin explains these phenomena better than, ohh... the fuel carried by the plane?


[...] the hole in the C ring of the Pentagon [...]


There are parts of the plane that exert far more force at 400mph than the air inside the cabin.

To be brief, I have a video on youtube that visually illustrates my point.
Username waypastvne
video name 911 Miracle Passport

(new member can't post video links/could somebody please link it for me)


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(Direct link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gg_QcBiGi-k))

[Reheat]

For me, adding it in answers many questions: the explosions in the lobby and top of WTC 1, the hole in the C ring of the Pentagon, and the light debris that made it through the North Tower, such as Satam's passport.

I agree that air in the fuselage could be one explanation for the ejection of the passport and other light debris, but I don't believe that fuselage air had enough volume to have caused the lobby damage. Nor do I think that's remotely what caused the C ring hole at the Pentagon.

Remember air was also being rapidly displaced as the aircraft entered the building and air/fuel was being propelled outward when the jet fuel ignited. I think most analysis agrees that the Lobby damage was caused by fuel down the elevator shafts that ignited.

Bear in mind that the fuselage air had very little aircraft system pressure as the aircraft was almost at sea level. Cabin pressure would have been nearly equalized with ambient pressure at that level.

There has been a lot of speculation on what caused the C ring hole, but since landing gear and engine debris were found in that area, I'd suspect that more than anything else. It's also quite possible firemen cut the hole larger for access to the inner corridor. That hole may have been an entirely different shape originally.

You've added another dimension to consider, but I do think you're exaggerating the damage it caused. There were lots of thing with more mass that caused more extensive damage than fuselage air.

[knife fight colobus]

In my encounters with the Truther it seems as though air has little to no effect on any phenomena that occurred on 911. They would rather say it is impossible for the white poofs coming out of the sides of the WTC to be due to air and instead they are squibs.

This is an interesting idear because I don't think Truthers would be ready to dismiss it if this turns out to explain some things that occurred on 911.

[Justin39640]

interesting
but i think just the turbulence from the rapidly expanding burning jet fuel traveling at the same velocity would far outweigh anything the cabin air could cause

maybe the jet fuel cabin air combo to help disperse fuel a bit
but IDK

[Minadin]

I think that the air in the cabin probably figures more into how it contributed to the overall stiffness of the fuselage at the moment of impact than it did as an individual entity, given all the other components.

[waypastvne]

Thank you for the link Cl1m...
Err... You think the air inside the cabin explains these phenomena better than, ohh... the fuel carried by the plane?

No. But so far I've only seen gravity and lnertia mentioned as a means of getting a large amount of atomized fuel into the elevator system. Gravity is not very efficient at getting fuel up an elevator shaft and not very fast at getting fuel down one. Fuel also loses alot of inertia after its atomized. The low pressure left in the elevator shaft after the air passes would be very fast and effecient at getting a large amount of atomized fuel both up and down the shaft.




There are parts of the plane that exert far more force at 400mph than the air inside the cabin.


After watching the speed and force this air has exiting the south tower, I'm shure it has more than enough force to knock out that hole in the Pentagon.
But I also know the air hits the wall at a 42 deg. angle. and there I lose a little confidence. I dont know how much energy it loses at that angle.

[George152]

I feel the air in the fuselage has been used (in this instance) to blow smoke.
Just when you think the kooks have run out of silly claims :-(