9/11 witness virtual world event

[magi5]

Hello.
Why dont we do a World Trade Center in a virtual world like Second Life or similar programs but with a moving background scenary of the plane krasches, then the fires and the collaps (explosions) of the buildings.
Like a virtual movie of the catastrofy with a time line through the event.

Then make it possible for people who experienced the event to log in with his own virtual person before it happens and walk around in the event as they did in reallity 9/11 2001 and show people where they were when they saw something. They stop the time and set a marker on the position and time that they witness something and then write, set up pictures and videos that they have.
Then they start the time again and walk, drive and so on to the next place of the disaster where they saw, heard or experienced things, set a marker and set up the information.
Then when thousands of people set up where they where and where they walked, ran or drove a car, people then will be able to see the WTC filled with virtual people who move around in the city and its buildings.
Viewer can then stop the time at any moment of the disaster and zoom in on any place on the street or in a building and read what people experienced at that time by clicking on the person and get the information.

I really want to know where people where in the buildings when they heard explosions and so on.

This would be a open environment so that any whitness can log in and set up theire story. And anybody is allowed to get a copy of the virtual world so they can help build it up with details that is relevant to the catastofic event.
It will all be moderated by people from 911 truth groups and likewise that people trust.
If it all work out the truth will be revealed of what happened but in the virtual world.

It would also be interesting to do other events in history by this way like wars and other disasters and why not social events that people and groups of people have experienced or that historians can build so that people can see what happened in the past, but as a virtual world event.
In this way people can see the event just as they want from any position with any zoom.
If you want to see it all from one person you just follow him through the event or if you want to see it the next time from a fire truck you just follow that one as a invisible flying camera.

Do you want it?

Regards M.Sc. Magnus

[~enigma~]

It will all be moderated by people from 911 truth groups and likewise that people trust.
Name someone from a 9/11 truth group that we can trust and then explain why. But if you want to play around in the SIMS or something go right ahead since the TM is wasting their lives and my oxygen.

[Bobert]

Is it April 1st?

[MRC_Hans]

I think you need to have some really bizarre desires to want to repeatedly relive disasters.

ETA: And as already remarked, you're gonna have a hard time finding someone from 911 truth groups that people trust. They don't even trust each other.

Hans

[alexi_drago]

I can just imagine it, anonymous truthers dressed in black driving around in vans loaded with ceiling tiles.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Even better: Let the truthers rig the towers with explosives and see how long it takes. They can either do it 1) while other people are running around all over the inside of the towers, and make sure no one notices them doing it, or 2) within the rather short "downtime" prior to 9/11 that some truthers claim was a perfect time to plant explosives.

[Bobert]

Who will drive the Mystery Machine?

[LashL]

Hello.
Why dont [sic] we do a World Trade Center in a virtual world like Second Life or similar programs but with a moving background scenary [sic] of the plane krasches, [sic] then the fires and the collaps [sic] (explosions) of the buildings.
Like a virtual movie of the catastrofy [sic] with a time line through the event.[snipped]
Do you want it?

Does anyone want to turn the site of the murder of nearly 3000 people into a video game for the amusement and distortion of the inaptly self-named "truth"ers?

In a word, no.

In two words, that's sick.

In three words, are you fourteen?

In four words, are you kidding me?

In five words, what is wrong with you?

[triforcharity]

Wow, I think that one line (you all know what I am talking about) will be nominated for a stundie!!!

This is my horse, so hopefully s/he wins!!

BTW, how idiotic can you be???

[Bobert]

Can I be a hot redhead with big melons?

[triforcharity]

As long as I can be Gerard Butler.......

[1337m4n]

http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/3/38/This_thread_is_bad_and_you_should_feel_bad.jpg

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Hello.

Hi.


Why dont we do a World Trade Center in a virtual world like Second Life or similar programs but with a moving background scenary of the plane krasches, then the fires and the collaps (explosions) of the buildings.
Like a virtual movie of the catastrofy with a time line through the event.

For the same reason we don't commemorate 9/11 by mounting our griffons in "World of Warcraft" and flying into Stormwind Castle.

Then make it possible for people who experienced the event to log in with his own virtual person before it happens and walk around in the event as they did in reallity 9/11 2001 and show people where they were when they saw something. They stop the time and set a marker on the position and time that they witness something and then write, set up pictures and videos that they have.

There's a reason why almost nobody who was actually there that day has signed up with the twoofers. Even the first responders whom twoofers alternately accuse of murder and then claim to be defending have ignored the tinfoilers in droves.

God help you if you actually approach any 9/11 survivors with this idea. And if you do, I strongly recommend you do so by phone or e-mail only.

Then they start the time again and walk, drive and so on to the next place of the disaster where they saw, heard or experienced things, set a marker and set up the information.
Then when thousands of people set up where they where and where they walked, ran or drove a car, people then will be able to see the WTC filled with virtual people who move around in the city and its buildings.
Viewer can then stop the time at any moment of the disaster and zoom in on any place on the street or in a building and read what people experienced at that time by clicking on the person and get the information.

You obviously don't know anyone who suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or anyone who has been through such a horrific event. Otherwise you would know better than to make such an insane suggestion.

This would be a open environment so that any whitness can log in and set up theire story. And anybody is allowed to get a copy of the virtual world so they can help build it up with details that is relevant to the catastofic event.
It will all be moderated by people from 911 truth groups and likewise that people trust.
If it all work out the truth will be revealed of what happened but in the virtual world.

So can any moron claiming to be a witness or survivor of 9/11. Your "World of 911craft" would almost instantly become a battleground of therm*ters, micro-nukers, death ray cranks and no-planers screaming at each other while pretending to be people who were there.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Yet another reason why this is a stupid idea.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Kilstryke/worldorwarcraft-mmorpg.jpg

[Bobert]

i'd like to pre-order my character with a rocket launcher, shotgun, and "this is going to hurt " tattooed on my knuckles. Xray vision would be an added bonus.

[triforcharity]

Can I please have a flamethrower?? I have always wanted one, and my wife won't let me get one. I wonder why????

[parky76]

I think you need to have some really bizarre desires to want to repeatedly relive disasters.

its called masochism. i feel many truthers suffer from it. they watch the videos of the towers collapsing again...and again..and again.

gotta be nuts to do that.

[240-185]

Stundied.

[triforcharity]

This is what I don't understand. Why would someone watch that over and over, knowing full well that in that very moment, many people were killed. Why???

[The Platypus]

It will all be moderated by people from 911 truth groups and likewise that people trust.


This made me laugh so hard i nearly fell out of my chair...

[dudalb]

I have seen some really bad ideas posted here vis a vis 9/11 Investigations, but this is the worst.

[T.A.M.]

what is next, recreate Hiroshima, and have a Japanese Forum discuss where their relatives were on that day, so we can see what happened to them?

Pathetic to the highest degree.

TAM

[~enigma~]

Hello.

Weird assemblage of words snipped


Do you want it?

Regards M.Sc. Magnus
Before I forget...

eh?

[MarkyX]

It will all be moderated by people from 911 truth groups and likewise that people trust.


Trusting 9/11 deniers with physics is like trusting Stormfront with historical accuracy.

[8den]

Hello.
scenary of the plane krasches, then the fires and the collaps.


catastrofy

walk around in the event as they did in reallity so that any whitness can log in and set up theire story.


I try not to mock people's spelling but then you go and claim



Regards M.Sc. Magnus


You've got a Masters in Science.

[magi5]

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Have nobody here heard about the thermite in the dust of the WTC?
Have anybody here seen "loos change" and similar videos on youtube?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.

M.Sc. Magi
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[Cl1mh4224rd]

Before I forget...

eh?


I was going to point that out, too, but then realized that a lot of the people I know personally with scientific education also have some of the worst typing skills I've ever seen.

Also, he's Swedish.

[dtugg]

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Have nobody here heard about the thermite in the dust of the WTC?

Thermite? What's that?


Have anybody here seen "loos change" and similar videos on youtube?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

Never heard of it.


Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.


If it's on youtube, it must be the truth. Right? I will look on youtube and if it tells me that the WTC was destroyed using this thermite stuff, I will believe it.

[MarkyX]

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Have nobody here heard about the thermite in the dust of the WTC?
Have anybody here seen "loos change" and similar videos on youtube?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.

M.Sc. Magi
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Oh for ****'s sake

[~enigma~]

I was going to point that out, too, but then realized that a lot of the people I know personally with scientific education also have some of the worst typing skills I've ever seen.

Also, he's Swedish.
Scientific education? You must mean someone else cause the OP thinks the SIMS is scientific.

[8den]

Have nobody here heard about the thermite in the dust of the WTC?
Have anybody here seen "loos change" and similar videos on youtube?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.

Perhaps you'd benefit from a enlightening search of this forum, and discover you're not saying anything new.

"loos change"
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If the guys behind screw loose change were British this what they'd call the blog and film.

[~enigma~]

If the guys behind screw loose change were British this what they'd call the blog and film.
loos is code word for jews. Did anyone notice Dylan changed LTW into Collective Minds Media Company? I think they should add a word between collective and minds and that word is RETARDED.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

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Have nobody here heard about the thermite in the dust of the WTC?
Have anybody here seen "loos change" and similar videos on youtube?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.

M.Sc. Magi
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It's like a temporal rift has opened in the middle of the 9/11 CT forum and a six year backlog of stupid has come pouring out.

[~enigma~]

It's like a temporal rift has opened in the middle of the 9/11 CT forum and a six year backlog of stupid has come pouring out.
More like some truthers trolls temporal lobes ripped open.

[Justin39640]

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Have nobody here heard about the thermite in the dust of the WTC?
Have anybody here seen "loos change" and similar videos on youtube?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.

M.Sc. Magi
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you probably should have read a few threads here before posting a new thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9q2jNjOPdk
(i didnt bother putting it in the yt tags for the OP's benefit lol)

ETA: pay close attention to about 1 minute and 28 seconds into the video

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Scientific education? You must mean someone else cause the OP thinks the SIMS is scientific.


I was referring to the "M.Sc" (Masters of Science) at the end of his post.

[~enigma~]

I was referring to the "M.Sc" (Masters of Science) at the end of his post.
If you believe it is true I got some swamp land in Florida you might be interested in buying.

[T.A.M.]

Loose Change? Thermite? I have never heard of these things.

Please Magnus, enlighten us on these things...I am sure they will change my life.

TAM:)

[Hokulele]

Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.


Of course, youtube is a much better research tool than any university science library. :rolleyes:

[~enigma~]

Of course, youtube is a much better research tool than any university science library. :rolleyes:
It is the one and only "film" school that Dodo Dylan was able to stay in.

[JoeyDonuts]

Loose Change? Thermite? Wait a minute...this whole time I've been thinking that the 9/11 Commision and NIST were telling the truth!

Could I have been wrong about the whole thing?

I simply must know more...It's as if my whole world has come crashing down around me!

Please, show me the "truth!"

Oh, and one more thing...How much is all of this going to cost?

[8den]

CLoose Change? Thermite? Wait a minute...this whole time I've been thinking that the 9/11 Commision and NIST were telling the truth!

Could I have been wrong about the whole thing?

I simply must know more...It's as if my whole world has come crashing down around me!

Please, show me the "truth!"

Oh, and one more thing...How much is all of this going to cost?

Call today and use a coupon and you could get the truth of 9/11 for just 19.99! Thats right! I'm serious! No, not 9,99.99. Not 99.99. But 19.99. At these prices you'd think I'm crazy!

[dudalb]

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Have nobody here heard about the thermite in the dust of the WTC?
Have anybody here seen "loos change" and similar videos on youtube?
youtube.com/watch?v=1Yx9NRX37SM

Go to youtube and search for 9/11 , wtc , thermite , nanothermite and so on.

M.Sc. Magi
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:tr:

[T.A.M.]

:tr:

Perhaps we know, but are bored and wish to egg him on. Perhaps not.

I mean, come on. Look at the degree of nonsense. The degree of ridiculousness.

TAM;)

[Safe-Keeper]

You obviously don't know anyone who suffers from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder or anyone who has been through such a horrific event. Otherwise you would know better than to make such an insane suggestion.Seconded. Strongly.

[Sabrina]

The mind boggles at the sheer stupidity... :jaw-dropp

[Toke]

But, if it is in 2. life or the sims it must be accurate right?
It would be THE way to find the truth.
Instead of reading all those reports we could just see what happens, like in 3D.

[dudalb]

Perhaps we know, but are bored and wish to egg him on. Perhaps not.

I mean, come on. Look at the degree of nonsense. The degree of ridiculousness.

TAM;)

The "Have you guys seen Loose Change" post was what moved him into the troll category in my book.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

If you believe it is true [...]


I'm highly skeptical. But, due to my experience, his "weird assemblage of words" isn't necessarily an indication that it is untrue. The idea itself casts the most doubt.
Also, his later belly flop into 9/11 idiocy with his second post...

ETA: Just for curiosity's sake: http://www.google.com/search?q=%22m.sc.+magi%22

[Gorgonian]

This has to be a level. No way it is for real.

[Audible Click]

I'm gobsmacked. This guy/girl cannot be for real.

[magi5]

Lets say that 10 000 people make a virtual copy of them self at 9/11 and 2000 of them show how they walked out of the building and tell what they heard and saw and they all witness 10 people who where in front of them and 10 people who walked behind them.
After 2 months we get so much information that people start to identify them self because other people say they where there and we all get trustworthy information that they worked there for 10 years before the disaster, then we all will be able to get a trustworthy understanding of the disaster.
The trustworthy information and its witnesses will be filtered out by itself as it is linked together with each other.
If people who lie and say things not tru then people will probaly identify them self and tell that they did not see that person at that place at that time and can be filtered out of the picture as they dont fit with other peaces of information.
People who lie and is not trustworthy will be able to filter out as fakes.
The picture will get clearer and clearer every week as more and more information is coming in and explaining what happened.
When 100 people say they were at the same place at the same time and they all show the same similary pictures and videos and say they heard and saw the same things and they identify 10 people around them as being there, then that information will be seen as trustworthy and after debated and votes some areas with people will be seen as truth and that information can then be illustrated as an event in the virtual world.
Maybe some explosions then can be shown and demonstrated in time and place as information gets so detaled so it can be pin pointed to an exact position.
These areas can get bigger and bigger and people will be linked with each other as time goes and every peace will fit in its place with other peaces.

The picture will get better and better and the clearer and clearer as time goes.
When 100 000 get linked together and there story is linked together the resault will fall out of what happened.
It is a possibility to get information from different unlinked sources that fit together.
Maybe we will be able to then understand what actually happened.

I think it is worth a try.

Peace

M.Sc. Magnus
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[stateofgrace]

Are you being serious ?

If so seek help, if not go troll somewhere else.

[chillzero]

magi5

Do you seriously think that all these people trying to get out of a buildign that a plane had crashed into were paying much attention to who was near them? You don't think they had anything better on their minds? And you also believe that their memories of the event will be faultless all these years later?

And worst of all, you actually believe that they would all willingly put themselves through the entire event all over again just to satisfy the morbid curiosity of some twit on the internet who is trying to find something in all those stories and old memories that is inconsistent, just so he can shout "Hey!!!! Smoking gun!!!!"

That's the most bizarre thing I've ever read, I think.

[orphia nay]

Not to mention the fact that he/she thinks they'll all have pictures and/or videos of the event. :oldroll:

[magi5]

There have been made movies of every big disaster in the history and there have been made a movie of 911 called "World Trade Center" with "NICOLAS CAGE" and there will be made more as time goes by.
And I am quite sure there will be made virtual worlds of many disasters as computers get more and more advanced and its programs get better and better.
What I try to tell people if to use this technology to make a virtual movie of the 911 disaster.
And then let people log in and make a virtual copy of them self and walk, run and driva cars and so on as they did that day.
As time goes by the world will be filled with thousands of people.
Then people will be able to run the virtual movie and see where people walked and runed in houses and stairs and read what they experienced.
People will then them self be able to filter out people and choose who they want to see in the event.
Lets say you just want to see people who have been working in the WTC for 5 years.
Then you choose to filter out and see only them and get a trustworthy virtual event to follow from whatever angle and zoom in any tima and place as you want.
This will be a very good instrument to get a good picture of what happened.

This can be developed in many ways.

If there can be made movies with one view of the disaster why not give the world a chance to make there own view of the 911 disaster with this new technology.
It will be done by someone any way and its just now a question who will make it first.
Lets do the best of it in a controlled evironment than to let it loose by anyone.
I tell this so you who dont want it, at least have a chance to do it in your way and with the right financing it can be a proper technologic instrument.
And if it is promoted so it is the biggest and best virtual world of the disaster then you at least have a chance to control ot in some way.
I do you a favore to give you a chance to take charge of the technological virtual world development.
By not telling you about this technology it could be developed by people you really dont want to take charge of this technology and controlled by people you really do not like.

Regards M.Sc. Magi

[JoeyDonuts]

Ohhh boy.

Is this virtual 9/11 event going to be powered by the Unreal 3 engine? With Havok physics? That'll be fun.

[chillzero]

magi5,
Could you please stop posting without giving consideration and responses to the posts directed at you?

[JoeyDonuts]

It does smell a little like canned meat.

[orphia nay]

Yes, why post in a discussion forum if you're not going to discuss the thread that you started?

[tsig]

It does smell a little like canned meat.

I can almost make out the letters on the can (SPASM) i think.

[MRC_Hans]

*snip*
Maybe we will be able to then understand what actually happened.



Ahh, .... I don't know how to break this to you, but ..... we (that is, the vast majority of us) already understand what actually happened.

Hans

[dudalb]

Ohhh boy.

Is this virtual 9/11 event going to be powered by the Unreal 3 engine? With Havok physics? That'll be fun.


WIth Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich to direct?

[Toke]

magic5,
What would you do if it was programmed with nist´s computer model?

[JoeyDonuts]

WIth Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich to direct?

Actually, I'd go with Alex Proyas here. Despite the fact that 'Knowing' was filled with silly plot devices - MAN that movie sure blew up good.

I mean, I've seen major cities ****ed up by both of those directors multiple times - but I've never seen it jacked up like the end of 'Knowing.' That was...impressive. The visual effects in the movie are astounding. Too bad it didn't have a more cohesive narrative or it would have been a heck of a lot better.

[phunk]

If someone made this virtual 9/11, it would be filled with truthers and 4chan idiots, not the actual witnesses. This is a horrible way to get eyewitness testimony.

[Bobert]

magic5,
I would like to reserve an armor plated black SUV with barbed wire along the top and the words,
"Hells Reject"
Spray painted on the side.
I would like missiles in place of the headlights and of course my copilot should be a red head with big....well.....anyway.
BTW why is that almost every single truther troll can barely write english?

[Retrograde]

If it were done right it could be an eye-opener for the "Truth" movement. Construct an accurate model of the two towers, then give them avatars on a floor above the impact and see how they respond to the heat and smoke. Or put their avatars in a dark, smoke-filled elevator with some panicking strangers.

It would be easier, though, to make them read 102 Minutes (http://www.amazon.com/102-Minutes-Untold-Survive-Inside/dp/0805080325/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1247259581&sr=1-1).

[dudalb]

Actually, I'd go with Alex Proyas here. Despite the fact that 'Knowing' was filled with silly plot devices - MAN that movie sure blew up good.

I mean, I've seen major cities ****ed up by both of those directors multiple times - but I've never seen it jacked up like the end of 'Knowing.' That was...impressive. The visual effects in the movie are astounding. Too bad it didn't have a more cohesive narrative or it would have been a heck of a lot better.


Proyas is on my personal S*** list ever since the mess he made of Asimov "I Robot".
He seems to have exhausted his ability to make good films with "The Crow" and "Dark City".

[magi5]

If someone made this virtual 9/11, it would be filled with truthers and 4chan idiots, not the actual witnesses. This is a horrible way to get eyewitness testimony.

That is tru.
Everybody get a chance to make a virtual person connected to his IP number.

But when thousands of virtual individuals can be seen in the 911 disaster everybody will be able to filter out people as they want to see the event with the people they think is most trustworthy.

It will be able for everyone to see who where with people they knew and worked with and people who do not fit with a group of people because the other ones will go in and change theire story, if they know that a person who say he was there and they know he was not there and so on and so on.

Everybody wil get a chance to see the disaster as they want with the people they think are trustworthy.

And maybe one the filtered events, will just fall out as the best explanations of what really happened.
Lets say 911 truthers make one virtual 911 world and the other make one and then see what virtual WTC will be the best explanation of the disaster.

Both sides get a chance to tell their side of the disaster.

Its worth a try.

M.Sc. Magi
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[Sword_Of_Truth]

Both sides get a chance to tell their side of the disaster.
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What makes you think there is more than one side?

[magi5]

What makes you think there is more than one side?

There is a lot of conspiracy theories out there on the web and with this virtual world of WTC there is a possibility for people to maybe see what actually happened.

Why not try it and see what it would look like and how people would prefer to see it.

Why not use our technology to try to see what happened.

Regards M.Sc. Magi
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[~enigma~]

Why not try it and see
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You can try it and see for yourself while the rest of the human population thinks the idea is insane and the product of a severely oxygen starved mind.

[stateofgrace]

There is a lot of conspiracy theories out there on the web and with this virtual world of WTC there is a possibility for people to maybe see what actually happened.

Why not try it and see what it would look like and how people would prefer to see it.

Why not use our technology to try to see what happened.

Regards M.Sc. Magi
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It's been done already or did you miss the massive investigation that took place?

[Bobert]

That is tru.
Everybody get a chance to make a virtual person connected to his IP number.

But when thousands of virtual individuals can be seen in the 911 disaster everybody will be able to filter out people as they want to see the event with the people they think is most trustworthy.

It will be able for everyone to see who where with people they knew and worked with and people who do not fit with a group of people because the other ones will go in and change theire story, if they know that a person who say he was there and they know he was not there and so on and so on.

Everybody wil get a chance to see the disaster as they want with the people they think are trustworthy.

And maybe one the filtered events, will just fall out as the best explanations of what really happened.
Lets say 911 truthers make one virtual 911 world and the other make one and then see what virtual WTC will be the best explanation of the disaster.

Both sides get a chance to tell their side of the disaster.

Its worth a try.

M.Sc. Magi
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magi5 (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=33159),
Dont let ANYONE keep you down!
YOU are a visionary!
Are you familiar with the researchers Ted Logan and Bill Preston?
I am confident that they can help you!
Lets put something together!

[triforcharity]

Magi,

The only problem is, I cannot even tell you exactly where I was even down to the hour, let alone few minutes. The idea, while creative, is abunduntly bad.

I didn't look at my watch untill well into the evening. Heck, the only 3 times I can tell you exactly where I was at, was the second plane, (near WTC 1 lobby entrance) South tower coming down( Don't recall the street, but was not far from N tower lobby, and N tower, running for my life up up West street.

But, like I said, very creative.

[Justin39640]

magi5 (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=33159),
Dont let ANYONE keep you down!
YOU are a visionary!
Are you familiar with the researchers Ted Logan and Bill Preston?
I am confident that they can help you!
Lets put something together!

dude WS RULE!!!

[BigBird]

er....um....uh.....

HAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAA!!!! This could possibly be top 10 funniest threads I've EVER read.... oh man my gut.... LOL

[magi5]

Magi,

The only problem is, I cannot even tell you exactly where I was even down to the hour, let alone few minutes. The idea, while creative, is abunduntly bad.

I didn't look at my watch untill well into the evening. Heck, the only 3 times I can tell you exactly where I was at, was the second plane, (near WTC 1 lobby entrance) South tower coming down( Don't recall the street, but was not far from N tower lobby, and N tower, running for my life up up West street.

But, like I said, very creative.

Lets say you create your virtual person in the beginning of the development of the the virtual WTC and you just walk and run through it as you think it happened.
Then you log in one month later and hundreds of people have made there virtual person and now you get tips from other stories and people around you who were at same location in same time.
This help you to change your movement and your story and you adjust your walk and run and story to a better detaled one.
One month later other people have made there walk and run even better because you did a upgrade of your story and now detailes come up you had forget and you upgrade your story so it get better.
People will upgrade and upgrade until everything fit together with other peoples stories and you all get a very good picture of what happened and if we are lucky it will end up with an adjustment of the buildings structural collaps and maybe explosions is made in the building because everybody can pinpoint the explosions in direction and maybe we can understand what it was.

And so on and so on.

I am very glad you survived and I just want to help people like you who were there, to be able to tell your story for the world with the latest technology in virtual world visualisation.

Its worth a try and if it gets bad we just close the whole site down because everybody lets say make a vote every week if it is ok and if it is voted down after a 2 or 3 months trial we just shut it down.

Lets just try to see what come out of it.

Regards M.Sc. Magi
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[orphia nay]

Magi5, you're assuming that other people have a better memory of the event than triforcharity.

Why do you have such faith in other people and yet not in the people that make up the government?

[Zorglub]

Isn´t this almost like the cry for an "independent investigation"? IE: we want this done, but is has to be done by someone else (so we don´t have to take responsibility for eventual errors)

[Myriad]

This help you to change your movement and your story and you adjust your walk and run and story to a better detaled one.


This is a recipe for introducing bias, multiplying errors, and inducing false certainty (or even outright false memory).

But by all means, if you want to, go ahead and do it. Whose approval or permission do you need? Just build it.

And if the actual survivors and witnesses aren't interested in participating, I'm sure there are many people willing to pretend to be actual survivors and witnesses. We've met several such creatively-minded individuals in this very subforum.

Respectfully,
Myriad

[triforcharity]

Lets say you create your virtual person in the beginning of the development of the the virtual WTC and you just walk and run through it as you think it happened.
Then you log in one month later and hundreds of people have made there virtual person and now you get tips from other stories and people around you who were at same location in same time.
This help you to change your movement and your story and you adjust your walk and run and story to a better detaled one.
One month later other people have made there walk and run even better because you did a upgrade of your story and now detailes come up you had forget and you upgrade your story so it get better.
People will upgrade and upgrade until everything fit together with other peoples stories and you all get a very good picture of what happened and if we are lucky it will end up with an adjustment of the buildings structural collaps and maybe explosions is made in the building because everybody can pinpoint the explosions in direction and maybe we can understand what it was.

And so on and so on.

I am very glad you survived and I just want to help people like you who were there, to be able to tell your story for the world with the latest technology in virtual world visualisation.

Its worth a try and if it gets bad we just close the whole site down because everybody lets say make a vote every week if it is ok and if it is voted down after a 2 or 3 months trial we just shut it down.

Lets just try to see what come out of it.

Regards M.Sc. Magi
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The only other problem is that people don't want to sit there and relive that hellish ABSOLUTE HELL of a day.

If you really want to let people hash out what happened, etc. make a forum. This way, you can just bumb all the idiots who are there to cause trouble.

But, I think the idea is creative. I am NOT trying to down you at all, I am just saying that many people who were there won't want to re-hash all those bad memories.

[magi5]

magi5,
Dont let ANYONE keep you down!
YOU are a visionary!
Are you familiar with the researchers Ted Logan and Bill Preston?
I am confident that they can help you!
Lets put something together!

Yes, lets try to start this up and see what happens. and where it leads.
I do not know Ted Logan and Bill Preston but I would be glad if they contacted me.
Lets get some people together and se if we can make this happen.

Regards M.Sc. Magi
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[~enigma~]

Yes, lets try to start this up and see what happens. and where it leads.
I do not know Ted Logan and Bill Preston but I would be glad if they contacted me.
Lets get some people together and se if we can make this happen.

Regards M.Sc. Magi
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You don't understand sarcasm (spydig) do you?

[Toke]

Magi5, dont get your hopes up.
As far as I can tell Ted Logan and Bill Preston are more into historical rechearsh, and music.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Maybe the still-alive hijackers can show up, too, and fly virtual planes into the virtual buildings. We could even have virtual people jumping from the virtual buildings, although the scientific accuracy begins to break down at this point since those people are ****ING DEAD.

Isn´t this almost like the cry for an "independent investigation"? IE: we want this done, but is has to be done by someone else (so we don´t have to take responsibility for eventual errors)


Ding, ding ding! Although this is probably, by far, the most sociopathic recommendation I've ever seen. It's sick beyond belief.

[SlightlyAbovePar]

I can just imagine it, anonymous truthers dressed in black driving around in vans loaded with ceiling tiles.

You owe me a keyboard, damm it. I just spit my Diet Coke all over it.

[Justin39640]

magi5 (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=33159),
Dont let ANYONE keep you down!
YOU are a visionary!
Are you familiar with the researchers Ted Logan and Bill Preston?
I am confident that they can help you!
Lets put something together!

hey clear out your inbox a tad
cant re: what you asked me before

[orphia nay]

We could even have virtual people jumping from the virtual buildings, although the scientific accuracy begins to break down at this point since those people are ****ING DEAD.

Quoted for the grave truth. :(

[JoeyDonuts]

I do not know Ted Logan and Bill Preston but I would be glad if they contacted me.

Whooooa!

Sounds like you'd be better off hangin' with Rufus, dude.

WYLD STALLYNS RULE!!! *squeadily meadily*

[Justin39640]

Whooooa!

Sounds like you'd be better off hangin' with Rufus, dude.

WYLD STALLYNS RULE!!! *squeadily meadily*

shhh youre gonna ruinnn it
lol

[Bobert]

.Magi5, dont get your hopes up.
As far as I can tell Ted Logan and Bill Preston are more into historical rechearsh, and music.
look lets keep an open mind here!
Preston and Logan are very qualified to handle this most excellent adventure!

[Hokulele]

As time goes by the world will be filled with thousands of people.
Then people will be able to run the virtual movie and see where people walked and runed in houses and stairs and read what they experienced.
People will then them self be able to filter out people and choose who they want to see in the event.
Lets say you just want to see people who have been working in the WTC for 5 years.
Then you choose to filter out and see only them and get a trustworthy virtual event to follow from whatever angle and zoom in any tima and place as you want.
This will be a very good instrument to get a good picture of what happened.


Reality determined by popular vote?

Ick, no.

[Justin39640]

Reality determined by popular vote?

Ick, no.

i just noticed this
"houses" in lower Manhattan
lmao

[AZCat]

Reality determined by popular vote?

Ick, no.

Not just that, but (as others have noted above) it necessarily excludes the people who would have been best located to provide this sort of information - the people who died that day.

This is a horrible idea.

[magi5]

Whell now when people know about this, different groups of people will probably build this virtual disaster.
I just hope you guys instead try to build it as you think is best and then make it the most used one, so you can control the development of this virtual disaster.
If I didnt write about this then it would hit you in the face one day and you would not have a chance to control it.
Now you have.
I really just want to help you so it is developed in the right direction.
Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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[stateofgrace]

Are you actually reading the replies that people are posting?

It is a ridiculous, stupid, sick idea.

Did you get that or do I have to repeat myself until it finally sinks in?

[orphia nay]

Are you actually reading the replies that people are posting?

It is a ridiculous, stupid, sick idea.

Did you get that or do I have to repeat myself until it finally sinks in?

I'll repeat it in language he might understand.

Er du egentlig läsande svarvarna så pass folk de/vi/du/ni är posterande?

Det er en löjlig, dum, sjuk idea.

Did du få så pass eller gör Jag har till upprepa mig själv till den till slut sjunka i?

[Zorglub]

I'll repeat it in language he might understand.

Er du egentlig läsande svarvarna så pass folk de/vi/du/ni är posterande?

Det er en löjlig, dum, sjuk idea.

Did du få så pass eller gör Jag har till upprepa mig själv till den till slut sjunka i?

Damn, you need to find a better automatic translator. That was totally incomprehensible :D

Men i sak har Orphia Nay rätt. Det är en skitdum och osmaklig idé och inte ens foliehattarna på vaken.se håller med dig.

Translated: Orphia Nay is correct. It´s a tremendeously bad, and disgusting, idea. Not even the tinfoil-hatters at vaken.se agrees with you.

[orphia nay]

Damn, you need to find a better automatic translator. That was totally incomprehensible :D

Men i sak har Orphia Nay rätt. Det är en skitdum och osmaklig idé och inte ens foliehattarna på vaken.se håller med dig.

Translated: Orphia Nay is correct. It´s a tremendeously bad, and disgusting, idea. Not even the tinfoil-hatters at vaken.se agrees with you.

:newlol Thanks Zorglub. :) I was flying by the seat of my pants there, and they ripped. :o :D

[Sabrina]

magi5, what part of "the people who were there that day do not WANT to relive that horrible, terrifying, absolute :rule10-up of a day" do you NOT understand?

Seriously, I'm curious. I'm a little confused as to why you think people who experienced the horrific nature of that day would even WANT to remember it.

Forgive the analogy, but it's akin to finding all the Holocaust survivors and asking them to help you build a virtual concentration camp their avatars can be tortured in all over again. No... just.... NO. Stop while you're ahead, please. Assuming you even are at this point.

[Justin39640]

there is audio of a victim who was on the phone with 911 when the tower he was in collapsed
it is horrible to listen to
and i wont link it

no one wants to relive this from a perspective like that

[Bobert]

Yes, lets try to start this up and see what happens. and where it leads.
I do not know Ted Logan and Bill Preston but I would be glad if they contacted me.
Lets get some people together and se if we can make this happen.

Regards M.Sc. Magi
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Magi5,
Are you available for an interview with Dr. Emmett Brown?

[Justin39640]

Dr Chris Knight and Dr Mitch Taylor
check out their work pertaining to Judy Woods

[triforcharity]

I tried to explain this to him, from a person who was there, but I don't think it sank in.

PEOPLE I KNOW DIED IN THOSE BUILDINGS!! People I hung out with, went to BBQs for their kids' birthdays with, drank MANY beers with (maybe too many, but that isn't possible) hung out at sporting events with, etc.etc.etc. I don't want to relive those events. People still to this day have nightmares from it, including myself.

WHY THE **** WOULD WE WANT TO RELIVE THAT IN A VIRTUAL WORLD?!?!?!?!?!

[magi5]

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I am quite sure someone or somebody, truthers or nontruthers, will build this one day.
To many people have questions and this is a way to try to find out what happened.
If it show if it was explosions in WTC time will tell.
I give you a chance to get control of the development of this type of tech mass witness instrument.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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[BasqueArch]

there is audio of a victim who was on the phone with 911 when the tower he was in collapsed
it is horrible to listen to
and i wont link it

no one wants to relive this from a perspective like that

In that long and profoundly moving 911 call there are no explosive sounds before or during the collapse.

911 operator: " Okay try to calm down so you can conserve your oxygen, OK? Try to... Try to...
KC: Tell God to blow the wind from the West.
... I got young kids ... There's two of us in this office. ... We're young men, We're not ready to die."

Bastards

[BigAl]

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I am quite sure someone or somebody, truthers or nontruthers, will build this one day.


Why? A reading of a few books by and about first-hand participants will give anyone the idea of the scope of the events of 9/11 at WTC and how little evidence there is for anything but two hijacked jets causing all the death and destruction. Here's my reading list. I've read all of it and I'm an eyewitness for some of what happened at WTC on and after 9/11. What these sources say matches what I and other eyewitnesses saw.


Report from Ground Zero by Dennis Smith
Nine Months at Ground Zero By Stout, Vitchers, & Gray
102 Minutes by Dwyer & Flynn
The Naudet film (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9/11_%28film%29)
Watching The world change; The Stories behind the images of 9/11 By David Friend
AFTERMATH: World Trade Center Archive By Joel Meyerowitz (Coffee-table book with about 300 large-format pictures of Ground Zero.)
Transcripts of NYFD responders at WTC on 911
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/
20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
http://preview.tinyurl.com/7e62l

[JoeyDonuts]

This is rapidly approaching "realistice" or "Flight 93 Document Coming Soon" proportions.

[Sabrina]

Oh God I hope not.

Still haven't answered my question, I see, magi5. Any comments?

[magi5]

magi5, what part of "the people who were there that day do not WANT to relive that horrible, terrifying, absolute :rule10-up of a day" do you NOT understand?

Seriously, I'm curious. I'm a little confused as to why you think people who experienced the horrific nature of that day would even WANT to remember it.

Forgive the analogy, but it's akin to finding all the Holocaust survivors and asking them to help you build a virtual concentration camp their avatars can be tortured in all over again. No... just.... NO. Stop while you're ahead, please. Assuming you even are at this point.

Nobody is forced to witness anything.
It is free for anybody in the city to do his virtual person.
So lets say nobody of the people who got out of the building do his version of his virtual person and only people who where in safe distance do it.
Maybe that is enough to be able to collect information and correlate events to find out what happened and if there where explosions and so on.

Traumatized people will not need to do anything and they do not even need to log in and see the virtual disaster.

But people who are interested can learn something.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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[BigAl]

Nobody is forced to witness anything.
It is free for anybody in the city to do his virtual person.
So lets say nobody of the people who got out of the building do his version of his virtual person and only people who where in safe distance do it.
Maybe that is enough to be able to collect information and correlate events to find out what happened and if there where explosions and so on.

Traumatized people will not need to do anything and they do not even need to log in and see the virtual disaster.

But people who are interested can learn something.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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You can learn as much and more by reading the books in the list I posted in this thread.

[Audible Click]

Magi5, have a little empathy and sympathy for the people who died and for the people who survived and/or lost family and friends. What you are proposing is horrible. This may not be a very good analogy but it would be like making a virtual world inside of a Nazi concentration camp. Read the books that were recommended and try to gain some non virtual knowledge.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

If it show if it was explosions in WTC time will tell.

How does making a video game with explosions in it prove the presence of explosives in the WTC?

I give you a chance to get control of the development of this type of tech mass witness instrument.
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Your idea isn't that original. It's been used before on a much smaller scale (http://www.aetv.com/crime-360/). You haven't given us anything we didn't already have.

[Sabrina]

Magi5, have a little empathy and sympathy for the people who died and for the people who survived and/or lost family and friends. What you are proposing is horrible. This may not be a very good analogy but it would be like making a virtual world inside of a Nazi concentration camp. Read the books that were recommended and try to gain some non virtual knowledge.

No worries girl; I beat you to that analogy. :D

Great minds... great minds...

[newton3376]

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I am quite sure someone or somebody, truthers or nontruthers, will build this one day.
To many people have questions and this is a way to try to find out what happened.
If it show if it was explosions in WTC time will tell.
I give you a chance to get control of the development of this type of tech mass witness instrument.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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This idea is freaking horrible....

[Ricola commercial guy mode]Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetarded[/Ricola commercial guy mode]

[Sword_Of_Truth]

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I am quite sure someone or somebody, truthers or nontruthers, will build this one day.
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Someone already has. He used balsa wood (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/04/wings-break-off.html) and chicken wire (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x56836) and made a complete fool of himself.

The funny thing is, he put more thought into his ideas than you have.

[newton3376]

Someone already has. He used balsa wood (http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2006/04/wings-break-off.html) and chicken wire (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x56836) and made a complete fool of himself.

The funny thing is, he put more thought into his ideas than you have.

Wow...I wish I hadn't clicked on those links.....and after clicking I wish I hadn't read what was in the links....

The stupid was almost too much to handle....

[Audible Click]

Don't mind me. I've screwed up this post..move along nothing to see here

[Audible Click]

No worries girl; I beat you to that analogy. :D

Great minds... great minds...

Heh..sorry I've been mired in the 9/11 subforum so long, I may be going blind. :)

[Audible Click]

Sorry..double post.

[Dog Town]

The most moronic idea, EVER!


Break a leg, and I mean that!:jaw-dropp

[magi5]

You can learn as much and more by reading the books in the list I posted in this thread.

I prefer technologic development and why not give people a chance to show where they walked and write what they saw and heard in different positions in the disaster.

Then when people look at the virtual movie they will see thousands of people walking around under the disaster and see what they saw and heard, where they were and build their own picture of it.
Also give them the possibility to filter out people who do not fit together with other peoples witness statements.

I think it would be very interesting to see how it would look like in a virtual world and how it would filter out events when they where correlated by thousands of witnesses.

It is a different angle than to read about it and our brain is made to see and hear the world for 100 000 of years.
Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population. People in general learn better by seeing and hearing and can then work with the information better.

I think it would be a interesting mass witness technology.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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[triforcharity]

I think the people that lived it would rely on their memory of the day. Not a stupid VR pit.

How can I spell this out for you so that you understand.

PEOPLE ******* DIED!! We don't waant to relive that day anymore than we have to. Its an abundantly dumb idea. People moved to other cities so that they wouldn't have to be reminded every day of tat horrid day, myself included.

Please, if you feel the need to continue this project, go right ahead. But, I can guarantee that you won't get as many people as you think you will participating.

[Sabrina]

And the people who WOULD participate would likely all be lying about where they were, since the people who were actually THERE would flat out refuse to do it.

You don't seem to get that concept, magi, so let me spell it out for you in big letters you can't miss, I hope. *ahem*

THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE IN NEW YORK ON THAT DAY AND WITNESSED THAT EVENT DO NOT WANT TO RE-LIVE IT, WHETHER IN A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT OR OTHERWISE.

Do you get it yet? People DIED that day. Many of them friends and coworkers of the people you'd be asking to do this. They don't WANT to remember it or relive it in any way, shape, or form. Can you PLEASE get that through your head so we can all move on with our lives? Sheesh...

[JoeyDonuts]

And the people who WOULD participate would likely all be lying about where they were, since the people who were actually THERE would flat out refuse to do it.

You don't seem to get that concept, magi, so let me spell it out for you in big letters you can't miss, I hope. *ahem*

THE PEOPLE WHO WERE THERE IN NEW YORK ON THAT DAY AND WITNESSED THAT EVENT DO NOT WANT TO RE-LIVE IT, WHETHER IN A VIRTUAL ENVIRONMENT OR OTHERWISE.

Do you get it yet? People DIED that day. Many of them friends and coworkers of the people you'd be asking to do this. They don't WANT to remember it or relive it in any way, shape, or form. Can you PLEASE get that through your head so we can all move on with our lives? Sheesh...

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4624/fd25f883a01ac653549198cn.gif

Your nickname is well deserved. I start to feel all tingly when you lay waste with the +5 Flamethrower of Reason.

I'll just excuse myself now.

[dudalb]

I prefer technologic development and why not give people a chance to show where they walked and write what they saw and heard in different positions in the disaster.

Then when people look at the virtual movie they will see thousands of people walking around under the disaster and see what they saw and heard, where they were and build their own picture of it.
Also give them the possibility to filter out people who do not fit together with other peoples witness statements.

I think it would be very interesting to see how it would look like in a virtual world and how it would filter out events when they where correlated by thousands of witnesses.

It is a different angle than to read about it and our brain is made to see and hear the world for 100 000 of years.
Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population. People in general learn better by seeing and hearing and can then work with the information better.

I think it would be a interesting mass witness technology.

Peace

M.Sc. Magi
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:hb:

[dudalb]

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4624/fd25f883a01ac653549198cn.gif

Your nickname is well deserved. I start to feel all tingly when you lay waste with the +5 Flamethrower of Reason.

I'll just excuse myself now.

The "Citizen Kane" clip is very apporprate, in this thread since Magi5 is the ONLY person who thinks a "VR 9/11" is a good idea.
Just like Kane was the only person in the Opera House who thought his wife's singing was any good....

[JoeyDonuts]

It is a different angle than to read about it and our brain is made to see and hear the world for 100 000 of years.
Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population. People in general learn better by seeing and hearing and can then work with the information better.

Oh, like making up whatever the hell you want? The 9/11 movement attracts liars and embellishers almost as much as the local VFW watering hole.

Trust me on this - anyone who went through that hell isn't going to want to have anything to do with a project like this. Who would that leave?

It's subjective, unfalsifiable, riddled with fundamental scientific problems without even CONSIDERING the ethical aspect.

[Sabrina]

Written language has been around for thousands of years as well; it can be traced as far back as the cuneiform tablets from ancient Sumeria (now Iraq). So reading is not a new activity. As for it being new for the "majority" of people in the last hundred years, this is also inaccurate as far as I can tell, because numerous folks went through the three R's (reading, "riting", "rithmetic", or more correctly, reading, writing, and arithmetic) from the time of colonization in the US onward, and let's not even touch on the numerous folks, both noble and common alike (shopkeepers, tailors, various worker folk) who also had to be able to read across the Atlantic in Europe and other countries.

In short, your premise is utter bull:rule10

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population.


Wtf...? Closer to 200 years...

[BigAl]

I prefer technologic development and why not give people a chance to show where they walked and write what they saw and heard in different positions in the disaster.


Why don't you read the books to get an idea of the scale of the horror at WTC on 9/11? In my experience, Twoofer have no idea how big "WTC" was by any measure.

I live in the suburb of NYC that had the largest number of victims of 9/11, including lots of first responders and therefor has the largest number of survivors and families of victims. People still remember but it's rare to hear talk about the shared experience. It seems to be considered bad form to ask about it in general.

I guess we can't stop you from setting up a card table in front of one of the medical centers dedicated to the workers that breathed the on and after 9/11. You'll meet lots of people. Good luck. I live near one and maybe I'll see you.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/hhc/downloads/pdf/wtc-health-center-en.pdf

[magi5]

I think the people that lived it would rely on their memory of the day. Not a stupid VR pit.

How can I spell this out for you so that you understand.

PEOPLE ******* DIED!! We don't waant to relive that day anymore than we have to. Its an abundantly dumb idea. People moved to other cities so that they wouldn't have to be reminded every day of tat horrid day, myself included.

Please, if you feel the need to continue this project, go right ahead. But, I can guarantee that you won't get as many people as you think you will participating.

People have made movies about disasters all the time.
What is the difference from letting people making a virtual movie about a disaster than making a ordinary movie.

There is already a movie made about 911 so why isnt that a problem for you?
If you do not want to see the 911 movie because you do not want to relive it then you dont see it. Its the same with this virtual mass witness 911.
If you do not want to relive it you just do not log in to it and see it.

Its just different versions of it and a virtual movie made by witnesses and other people just give people a possibility to see the movie as they want from any camera angle or zoom as they want and filter out people as they want.

M.Sc. Magi
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[dtugg]

This is the stupidest idea of all time.

[Pantaz]

What is the difference from letting people making a virtual movie about a disaster than making a ordinary movie.
Let's go with the blindingly obvious -- one uses ACTORS the other uses VICTIMS.

[Klimax]

Let's go with the blindingly obvious -- one uses ACTORS the other uses VICTIMS.

Another is,movie doesn't try to "model" it for understanding...

[Lupie]

I remember an interview that came out around the first anniversary of the terrorist attacks of 9/11. It was fairly short, but unforgettable. The interviewer was speaking to an elderly man who was a shop owner not far from the WTC on 9/11. At the end of the interview he was asked what his most vivid memory of that day is. The man spoke of walking out the front door of his shop immediately after the first plane hit, and seeing a persons shoe on the sidewalk. The shoe had someone's foot still in it.

Real people, with real families were brutally murdered by terrorists that day. We DO NOT NEED some idiotic troofer 9/11 video game/sim or whatever the hell you want to call it. This is a sick, disgusting idea.

L.

[Macgyver1968]

Magi,
I'm really not sure what kind of data you would glean from your little sim. What do you think it would prove?

If you did do this, and managed to get people to talk, you would probably hear stories like the one my friend told me.

He was in NYC on 9/11 on business, and near the trade centers. After the first tower started to collapse, he grabbed the hand of stranger, that didn't seem to know what to do, and began to run. When the dust cloud completely enveloped them, all went black, and if was difficult to see or breath. When the woman he was with started panicking that she couldn't breath and started screaming she was going to die, he took the shirt from his back and gave it to her to use as a dust mask. They both found their way into a small store, where the store owner was passing out bottles of water, so that people could wash the dust from their eyes. One man in the store pulled out a wad of cash out of his pocket and offered to pay for everyone's water. The store owner refused.

Sometimes bad things bring out the best in people. There were 1000's of heroes that day. Some of them died.

Have a little respect.

[Pantaz]

All of magi5's arguments seem to come from someone who is unable to comprehend empathy.

[~enigma~]

This is the sick inhuman type that has brought us such illustrious youtube videos as the one of the WTC jumpers set to a Van Halen soundtrack of Jump. Inhuman thoughts and totally disrespectful.

ETA - Would be an interesting study to see the percentage of the mothers of truthers that smoked, drank, abused drugs or took thalidomide during their pregnancy.

[Stellafane]

Shucks, why don't we just do the Holocaust and Hiroshima while we're at it?

I've often said that to many CTers, the whole 9/11 thing is akin to a role-playing game, something that isn't quite real since it happened to someone else. This would explain why they seldom exhibit even a shred of common sense about it, why they seem oblivious to all the anger and hurt they are causing others. It's just another virtual reality where when you get bored or stuck you can just press Reset and start all over. No big deal, right? Because if they ever did realize just how stupid and offensive they're actually being about a massive tragedy in which thousands of real people lost real lives, they'd spit the bit and spend the next five years washing out their brains with soap.

[Bobert]

Mag,
Are you going to have a "virtual concert" on the opening day of this?
I hear Alex Jones does some great stand up comedy.....well in addition to his radio performances.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

I hear Alex Jones does some great stand up comedy.....well in addition to his radio performances.


Wait... they're different things?

[Wolrab]

While your at it (Mag), why not make a first person shooter game about Columbine or Va.?
All the people there could show their exact positions when the rampages started and any time they feel nostalgic they can log in and relive the memory.
Hell, you'd better get a move on if you want to make the Auschwitz Camp game! The survivors aren't getting any younger.

[Sabrina]

While your at it (Mag), why not make a first person shooter game about Columbine or Va.?
All the people there could show their exact positions when the rampages started and any time they feel nostalgic they can log in and relive the memory.
Hell, you'd better get a move on if you want to make the Auschwitz Camp game! The survivors aren't getting any younger.

You make the third person to bring up doing a similar thing for concentration camps. *LOL* You, me, and Audible. Clearly we are triplets separated at birth.

[Bobert]

I LOVE IT!
Truthers have spent 8 years accusing MANY MANY people of being liars and shills.
They have spent 8 years refusing to listen to real experts.
They have spent 8 years harassing various public figures and accusing them of treason if they don't listen to their INSANE ideas.
Even if there were a new investigation which would show their delusions to be false they wouldn't believe it anyway!
Yet every week there is a new thread started within various forums touting how the truth movement is, "just around the corner" from blowing the lid wide open.
I ave been waiting 3 years now to be removed to the FEMA camps!

[triforcharity]

People have made movies about disasters all the time.
What is the difference from letting people making a virtual movie about a disaster than making a ordinary movie.

There is already a movie made about 911 so why isnt that a problem for you?
If you do not want to see the 911 movie because you do not want to relive it then you dont see it. Its the same with this virtual mass witness 911.
If you do not want to relive it you just do not log in to it and see it.

Its just different versions of it and a virtual movie made by witnesses and other people just give people a possibility to see the movie as they want from any camera angle or zoom as they want and filter out people as they want.

M.Sc. Magi
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Disrespectfull much??? Wow, where do I begin.

Comparing something like your idiotic idea, and a movie, are completely different. For you to compare the two is like comparing a Ford Pinto to an
F-14. It is completely different.

I don't have a problem with the 9/11 movies (the REAL ones, not the ones the truthers make) because they are well written, and verifiable with research. This would be just a free for all for the sick twisted people like yourself, and the truthers. You wouldn't get but maybe a handfull of actual survivors.

You're on a road of complete waste of money. But hey, whatever.

[magi5]

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It will be open for anybody to set up a virtual person so then there will be all kinds of people who will witness what they saw and what they imagined they saw.
But anybody will also be able to see it with virtual people who they think are trustworthy.
So people can filter out virtual witnesses that do not fit to what they think is right.
Anybody will be able to see it as they want.
Some people will identify them self and they will be trustworthy.
And some will not identify them self and tell strange stories and walk all over the place that will not be able to be correlated to any other witness story and will then be marked as not trurtworthy.
So in time people will be catigerized as trustworthy and correlated and so on, in lists and forums and statistics and people will then be able to pic groups of people to view them in the virtual disaster and in time there will be some setups of virtual people that will tell a trustworthy, identified, correlated virtual 3D witness story of the disaster that will be very close to the true disaster that will reviel any misshaps and imaginary stories.
The true story will in time be filtered out of all the virtual witness inputs and can then be displayed for the world to see as a unique virtual 3D movie of the disaster.

It will be a very good mass witness high tech Internet instrument for anyone to use to see it as they think it happened.

Any imagined experiences will be filtered out because they will not be able to be correlated with other peoples stories.

The truth will be filtered out by this technology.

Regards M.Sc. in Engineering Physics
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[BigAl]

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It will be open for anybody to set up a virtual person so then there will be all kinds of people who will witness what they saw and what they imagined they saw.
But anybody will also be able to see it with virtual people who they think are trustworthy.
So people can filter out virtual witnesses that do not fit to what they think is right.



The phrase "garbage in, garbage out" seems to apply.

I wonder if Mr. M.Sc. in Engineering Physics has ever heard that before.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

So people can filter out virtual witnesses that do not fit to what they think is right.


That's not how science works.

[BigAl]

That's not how science works.

That's also not how any honest attempt at history works.

[JoeyDonuts]

The truth will be filtered out by this technology.

The "truth" hasn't been ascertained already?

Your approach is subjective, insulting, and is highly suggestive of a person who's never been close to tragedy before.

It's highly callous, unscientific, and prone to fraud.

The folks who needed to make statements have done so, years ago.

Their memories have been dealt with, however they deal with things.

You want to go ripping all that mental scar tissue open for some science fair project?

How about some goddamned common decency? Ethics? Are this concepts with which you are familiar?

You're premise is flawed anyway. I'd predict that were you even able to set this up you would have a very low number of actual event witnesses participating. It'd be bored internet kiddies and truthers trying to push their pet theory. The only amusing thing would be for your program to continually crash due to a lack of consensus in your "witnesses."

But by all means, go right ahead. Attempt to contact some members of the FDNY who pulled bits of spinal cord and severed limbs out of rubble, digging for some kind of life to save. You go right ahead an do that. Just be sure to post pictures of the shiner you're bound to receive.

"Shiner" - American slang for a black eye
"Black Eye" - American slang for getting punched the **** out

[BigAl]

Originally Posted by magi5 View Post
The truth will be filtered out by this technology.


Freudian slip?

[jhunter1163]

I lost a close friend in the WTC that day, and I think this idea is in appallingly bad taste.

Just my US$0.02.

[stateofgrace]

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It will be open for anybody to set up a virtual person so then there will be all kinds of people who will witness what they saw and what they imagined they saw.
But anybody will also be able to see it with virtual people who they think are trustworthy.
So people can filter out virtual witnesses that do not fit to what they think is right.
Anybody will be able to see it as they want.
Some people will identify them self and they will be trustworthy.
And some will not identify them self and tell strange stories and walk all over the place that will not be able to be correlated to any other witness story and will then be marked as not trurtworthy.
So in time people will be catigerized as trustworthy and correlated and so on, in lists and forums and statistics and people will then be able to pic groups of people to view them in the virtual disaster and in time there will be some setups of virtual people that will tell a trustworthy, identified, correlated virtual 3D witness story of the disaster that will be very close to the true disaster that will reviel any misshaps and imaginary stories.
The true story will in time be filtered out of all the virtual witness inputs and can then be displayed for the world to see as a unique virtual 3D movie of the disaster.

It will be a very good mass witness high tech Internet instrument for anyone to use to see it as they think it happened.

Any imagined experiences will be filtered out because they will not be able to be correlated with other peoples stories.

The truth will be filtered out by this technology.

Regards M.Sc. in Engineering Physics
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Your idea is disgustin............ oh wait

Are you actually reading the replies that people are posting?

It is a ridiculous, stupid, sick idea.

Did you get that or do I have to repeat myself until it finally sinks in?

I am repeating myself.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Maybe if you offered this service on your company's website, Magnus, you might get a... more professional response.

[triforcharity]

Maybe they R the feople jumping from the buildings.....Sick ****. I really don't believe that someone could ACTUALLY want to do this, but hell, nothing amazes me anymore.

[Gavron]

Reading is a new brain activity thats been done for the last 100 years for the big mass of population.-

Well, lets not forget that damn Declaration of Independence. Nobody could read that sucker....and let's not forget, the BIBLE !

...yeah, that reading is catching on. They should teach it in schools.

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