Are women born sexually attaracted to their mother? [Archive]

Thunder

5th July 2009, 07:59 PM

I was once told that Freud believed that all babies are sexually attracted to their mother.

How does this effect our views about lesbian women and gay men? Do gay men over time lose this attraction towards women..and lesbian women reinforce it?

portlandatheist

5th July 2009, 08:22 PM

Why concern yourself with what Freud thought? It is nonsense.

Thunder

5th July 2009, 08:26 PM

Why concern yourself with what Freud thought? It is nonsense.

oh really?

Elizabeth I

5th July 2009, 08:31 PM

Yep.

makaya325

5th July 2009, 08:32 PM

I have also heard that if a boy doesnt have an attraction towards his mom and also wants to get his dad away, then he grows up to be a pedophile. Is that true? I have no idea.

Fiona

5th July 2009, 08:37 PM

Even if you do not think that Freud was largely talking nonsense you do not have to accept anything he has to say about women: he didn't, after all

"The great question that has never been answered, and which I have not yet been able to answer, despite my thirty years of research into the feminine soul, is 'What does a woman want?'"
-From Sigmund Freud: Life and Work by Ernest Jones, 1953

makaya325

5th July 2009, 08:46 PM

Even if you do not think that Freud was largely talking nonsense you do not have to accept anything he has to say about women: he didn't, after all

That question will never be answered, even by science. It is one of life's greatest mysteries my friend.

Roma

5th July 2009, 09:02 PM

My mother ??? Eewwww !! :covereyes

Aepervius

5th July 2009, 09:35 PM

oh really?

Yes. Ever heard of "sometimes a cigare is jsut that : a cigare. And no phallus symbol".

Freund had not only a tendency to see sex symbollism everywhere, he also had a tendency not to like women too much (or so I heard for that last part).

makaya325

5th July 2009, 09:43 PM

Yes. Ever heard of "sometimes a cigare is jsut that : a cigare. And no phallus symbol".

Freund had not only a tendency to see sex symbollism everywhere, he also had a tendency not to like women too much (or so I heard for that last part).

Where did you hear about Freud not liking women? Are you sure it wasnt Alfred Kinsey instead?

Tsukasa Buddha

5th July 2009, 10:52 PM

I don't think anyone takes Freud's... unique development system seriously any more.

I don't even know how one would provide evidence for it...

Hokulele

5th July 2009, 11:02 PM

Where did you hear about Freud not liking women? Are you sure it wasnt Alfred Kinsey instead?

Freud may or may not have liked women, but he certainly didn't think much of them. He wrote that women are more prone to jealousy and envy, and are incapable of possessing a sense of justice. He attributes much of this to penis-envy on the part of women (his "castration complex"). I am not kidding.

To be fair, he was a product of his culture, and Victorian England was not well known for its views on women in general.

Fiona

6th July 2009, 02:50 AM

Er: he was not english Hokulele

7th sextile

6th July 2009, 03:59 AM

Er: he was not english Hokulele

Looks like somebody got the two guys in "The Seven Per Cent Solution"
mixed up.

ponderingturtle

6th July 2009, 11:46 AM

I was once told that Freud believed that all babies are sexually attracted to their mother.

As I see no talk about penis's I do not think Freud said it. Now there was a man obsessed with the penis.

MattusMaximus

6th July 2009, 11:52 AM

I once saw a photo of my mom when she was 18-years old and wearing a bikini next to a swimming pool. I didn't know it was her, and I thought: I'd totally nail that chick!

Then my mom told me it was her in the photo. I almost :gasp:

Safe-Keeper

6th July 2009, 11:52 AM

It's true. Freud interviewed thousands of babies ranging from 1-14 months of age and found that 84% answered "Strongly" or "Very Strongly" to the direct question of "do you feel an urge to have sexual intercourse with your mother?". Of those that answered in this way, 93% also admitted to watching MILF porn on the Internet.

Seriously, though: as far as I know, it's been verified that if a girl gets along very well with her dad, she'll look for her dad's qualities in boys she considers for love relationships. But the OP? Doubt it.

I once saw a photo of my mom when she was 18-years old and wearing a bikini next to a swimming pool. I didn't know it was her, and I thought: I'd totally nail that chick!

Then my mom told me it was her in the photo. I almost :gasp:That beats even the moments in which you see a girl out of the corner of your eye or at a distance and think she's hot... for then to realize "she's" a guy.

Aitch

6th July 2009, 12:04 PM

Are women born sexually attracted to their mother?

I suppose I could ask my sister - if I wanted a smack in the mouth.:rolleyes:

Ysidro

6th July 2009, 12:05 PM

Er: he was not english Hokulele

Although he did move to London. In 1938.

Not very Victorian. :p

However, when looking up the date he moved I came across something I never knew before now. Apparently Freud's middle name is "Schlomo".

This amuses me more than it should.

autumn1971

6th July 2009, 12:16 PM

I don't think anyone takes Freud's... unique development system seriously any more.

I don't even know how one would provide evidence for it...

Well, different cultures tend to toilet train in different ways. According to Freud, this should result in most cultures (since one of them presumably "does it right") showing unique patterns of abnormal psychology among nearly all of the members of each different culture. This is not observed, ergo, Freud is a crank.

Marduk

6th July 2009, 01:22 PM

How does this effect our views about lesbian women and gay men? Do gay men over time lose this attraction towards women..and lesbian women reinforce it?

Epic Fail

youre heterosexual arent you
:p

wackyvorlon

6th July 2009, 05:41 PM

Over time, issues with Freud's intellectual honesty have come to light. In some cases he would conflate multiple cases to create a single fictional case that matched his theories, in others he manipulated conversations with his patients to steer them where he wanted. I'm going to dig up a reference on this one, stay tuned.

EDIT: Wikipedia has some info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigmund_Freud#Psychotherapy

godless dave

6th July 2009, 05:49 PM

Piscivore

6th July 2009, 06:03 PM

That question will never be answered, even by science. It is one of life's greatest mysteries my friend.

The only thing all women want is air. And even that is subject to exceptions.

wackyvorlon

6th July 2009, 06:25 PM

The only thing all women want is air. And even that is subject to exceptions.

One would assume food, water and shelter would be high on the list.

I've never seen any solid research to support the perspective that Freud's ideas are grounded in reality.

Piscivore

6th July 2009, 06:37 PM

One would assume food, water and shelter would be high on the list.

Those are all a lot more variable and situation driven. I've known plently of women to turn each of these all down on occasion- usually because they've heard of me. The only ones that don't want air are often found practicing knots in heavy rope. Darned if I know where they keep getting it.

Eos of the Eons

6th July 2009, 07:16 PM

My first thought?

EWWWWW EW EW EW EW EWWWW Icky!!!

Second thought? Freud is an old fashioned long dead DUDE who knew nothing about women, and barely anything about relationships. He spewed a bunch of nonsense with fancy words to sound smart and all. But, this is philosophy we are talking about, nothing more than hypothese and hot air. They are NOT accepted principles or facts in any way shape or form.

Eos of the Eons

6th July 2009, 07:30 PM

You know. He was a lot like Kevin Trudeau. Take some information, say the opposite of what is "mainstream" and somehow look "brilliant" for it. It is actually well accepted that most family members are somewhat repelled by each other sexually, since their pheremones or whatever are chemically similar, etc. But, there are those oddballs, and there is incest. So, Freud says the weirdness is actually the "norm" (even when it is not) and then relates it to like childhood, badda bing... weirdness becomes philosophy/brilliance! ECH!!! Utter Pfiffle not based on anything that would convince someone who requires some actual evidence for that hypothesis.

Professor Maria da Graça Bicalho, head of the Immunogenetics and Histocompatibility Laboratory at the University of Parana, Brazil, says that her research had shown that people with diverse (different) major histocompatibility complexes (MHCs) were more likely to choose each other as mates than those whose MHCs were similar
http://www.physorg.com/news162451924.html

Sorry. Rant over now, but philosophers like Freud really just are clueless twits who now get studied even though they really didn't know a darn thing and that just... gahhhh!!!

Fiona

6th July 2009, 07:33 PM

Why do you call him a philosopher?

Eos of the Eons

6th July 2009, 08:14 PM

Because when he was doing his "work" that is all they had for basing their "theories" on. They didn't apply science to the field at the time. He was basically a philosopher only. He didn't have the ability to study what they can now, plain and simple. The brain was just a mystery and they didn't know how to properly test their hypotheses even. So, look at his conclusions. They are not science. They are philosophy. He had some neurology thrown in, but his conclusions are not based on actual neurological studies. like the kind that they can do today.

What is his evidence that children could ever be born "sexually attracted" to their mothers, for instance? He had NONE. That is just a philosophy (not even a hypothesis) based on his own crazy notions.

Yeah, I'm still icked out.

Eos of the Eons

6th July 2009, 08:22 PM

Here, I happen to agree with some of this summation of Freud:
http://www.blupete.com/Literature/Biographies/Philosophy/Freud.htm

I especially disike his claim (philosophy) that if you forget someone's name that you dislike them. I have a horrible time remembering names, HORRIBLE. It is because I remember other things about the person that is actually a trait of theirs. A name is not something that is them to me, especially since more than one person can have the same name. I need a lot of familiarity with someone before I can remember their tag. Just because I forget someone's name does not mean I don't like them. I haven't forgotten their face or other features.
I recognized a boy I sat behind in grade 11 by the back of his head! He had this funny way the back of his hair fell onto his head, probably from a cowlick. I went to school with him in grade two previously. I asked him if he had gone to that elementary school, and he had. I remembered he had a younger sister, and asked him if he had a younger sister. He did have a younger sister. All those years later I remembered HIM, and other stuff about him, but not his name. I liked him so much that I married him later on.

Elizabeth I

6th July 2009, 08:34 PM

Although he did move to London. In 1938.

Not very Victorian. :p

However, when looking up the date he moved I came across something I never knew before now. Apparently Freud's middle name is "Schlomo".

This amuses me more than it should.

Sigmund Schlomo Freud? No wonder he had issues. :p

Lucian

6th July 2009, 08:55 PM

Freud
What does a woman want?

That question will never be answered, even by science. It is one of life's greatest mysteries my friend.

She wants sovereignty, at least according to medieval "loathly lady" tales (the most famous of which is The Wife of Bath's Tale). I have a friend (male) who argues the modern equivalent would be the perfect purse.

The assumption that there is a single simple answer to the question is, I think, proof that no one should take seriously anything that Freud said about women. The fact that the question also makes women sound like some bizarre, inexplicable and separate species is also irksome.

Hokulele

6th July 2009, 10:43 PM

Er: he was not english Hokulele

Gah. I did know that, once upon a time. I blame lack of coffee.

Or Lisa.

Marduk

6th July 2009, 10:48 PM

I have a friend (male) who argues the modern equivalent would be the perfect purse.
damn, I had been proceeding under the false impression that what women wanted was men who are dominant in bed and above average in size (all over) and also heir to the cadburies company fortune and a purse made in the tradition of Croesus

:D

Lucian

6th July 2009, 11:08 PM

damn, I had been proceeding under the false impression that what women wanted was men who are dominant in bed and above average in size (all over) and also heir to the cadburies company fortune and a purse made in the tradition of Croesus

:D

Well, the heir to the Cadbury fortune would be nice, but if I find him, I am SO going to dominate him in bed.

Marduk

6th July 2009, 11:09 PM

Well, the heir to the Cadbury fortune would be nice, but if I find him, I am SO going to dominate him in bed.

see, then you just can't be "normal"
:D

Lucian

6th July 2009, 11:15 PM

see, then you just can't be "normal"
:D

I'm okay with that.:p

wackyvorlon

7th July 2009, 01:24 AM

I have always found that Freud's theories strained credulity. I suspect he is studied more as a result of fashion than anything else. Though, I think categorizing him as a philosopher is apt - philosophy is riddled with bizarre hypotheses that are lauded as genius, but completely lacking in data to provide support.