Stubblebine Speaks...

[brantc]

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

[Hokulele]

And?

[Alex C]

Hippopotamus yawns...

[TexasJack]

He believes that a plane did not hit the Pentagon and the towers were brought down by explosives. He also believes in parapsychology, thinks he's an engineer, and makes his whole argument on why a plane didn't hit the Pentagon based on the fact that there were no wing marks. He's a loon.

[JoeyDonuts]

I'm sorry...Stumblebum says what?

Probably not even a real Major General. At least, not the very model of a modern one.

[Greediguts]

I'm sorry...Stumblebum says what?

Probably not even a real Major General. At least, not the very model of a modern one.

You asked for it....

SoiQw7kPqf8

[TexasJack]

Oh, and there's this little gem:

Stubblebine gave a lecture at the International Symposium on UFO Research, sponsored by the International Association for New Science, in Denver, Colorado (May 22-25, 1992). This gives a good example of Stubblebine's coherence (or lack there of) and paranoia (he often threatened to destroy the tape). Stubblebine claimed that none of the members of the remote viewing program had prior psychic abilities or interests (all other sources state that they did).

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/hambone/people1.html#stubblebine

[JoeyDonuts]

Don't landlords and hotel owners who 'remote-view' their tenants usually get in some sort of legal trouble?

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Stubblebine is a liar. He claims the hole in the Pentagon isn't big enough for a 757.

gU94lNCrxdY

This is the hole he is talking about.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Kilstryke/pentagon.1.jpg

So now that it is established that General Stubblebine lied about the size of the hole in the Pentagon, does his clearly willful and deliberate dishonesty rise to the level of treason against the United States of America. As a General, he should now better than anyone not to engage in such shenanigans. Can he therefore be tried and executed his crime?

Thoughts, truthers?

[cyclonic]

Stubblebum retired in 1984, he looks like about 90 in the shade and being outflanked by dementia.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Stubblebum retired in 1984, he looks like about 90 in the shade and being outflanked by dementia.

Insanity defense?

Brain damage from his constant walking into walls maybe? ;)

[dropzone]

True. I've been related to officers past their prime. When I quote them here it is to be taken withe several grains of salt.

[SezMe]

Stubblebine is a liar. He claims the hole in the Pentagon isn't big enough for a 757.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Kilstryke/pentagon.1.jpg

So now that it is established that General Stubblebine lied about the size of the hole in the Pentagon, does his clearly willful and deliberate dishonesty rise to the level of treason against the United States of America.
I question the size as shown in your photo. The edges are indistinct. There may be evidence that the hole and a 757 are consistent but that photo is not part of it.

[brantc]

Stubblebine is a liar. He claims the hole in the Pentagon isn't big enough for a 757.

gU94lNCrxdY

This is the hole he is talking about.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Kilstryke/pentagon.1.jpg

So now that it is established that General Stubblebine lied about the size of the hole in the Pentagon, does his clearly willful and deliberate dishonesty rise to the level of treason against the United States of America. As a General, he should now better than anyone not to engage in such shenanigans. Can he therefore be tried and executed his crime?

Thoughts, truthers?


Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.

[dtugg]

Are you being deliberately dishonest or are you actually unaware that that was the exit hole in the C-ring?

[AJM8125]

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.

So what are we looking at here then?

[Lothian]

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence.
Wasn't Stubblebine the man who "trained" soldiers to become invisible (no literally), walk through walls and kill goats by staring at them?

Completely bonkers.

[UNLoVedRebel]

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.

Is this a joke? If you wrote this at the Loose Change forum, you'd get banned for mocking truthers. Are you parodying truthers not knowing the difference between the c-ring and e-ring, or are you serious?

Here's what happened to the e-ring.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/18141490f5f2e00e09.jpg

Look ma, airplane.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.

Look at the video again:


gU94lNCrxdY

This is the photograph from the video, only difference is the red lines used to indicate size.

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c345/Kilstryke/pentagon.1.jpg

So why is Stubblebine lying? Why is he trying to cover up an attack on a US military command facility? Who is he working for?

[johnny karate]

Look ma, no airplane.

For someone to actually believe a plane crash was faked in broad daylight in front of dozens of people and not recognize the utter insanity in believing that... it makes you not want to leave your house for fear of running into one of these loons.

[BigAl]

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.

Look, ma, no airplane.


Video of Phanton hitting wall
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--_RGM4Abv8

[T.A.M.]

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.

You do realize that is the EXIT HOLE of the C-Ring, right? Tell me you are not in here mocking and throwing your "superior intellect" around, producing exit holes for entrance holes, right????

Oh my...where have all the bright truthers gone?

TAM:)

edit: doh!, dtugg beat me to it.

[T.A.M.]

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Stubblebine

Yah, this guy I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw him...

Cookoo! Cookoo!! (And yes, that is my medical opinion...lol)

TAM:)

[Comsat Angel]

Oh look, an entirely unexpected absence of brantc - shortly after people revealing that Stubblebine is a long-retired raving loony. And that the supposed no-plane photo was the wrong one ...

I'm shocked, I tell you, shocked!

[triforcharity]

How could that hole be "BEFORE" the fire, when there is soot all around the hole?? Something tells me brantc is confused as what "fire" and "hole" mean.

Fire-Hot stuff that burns stuff in its path

Hole- a missing section of a solid body.

There, I got the definitions for you.

[240-185]

Wasn't Stubblebine the man who "trained" soldiers to become invisible (no literally), walk through walls and kill goats by staring at them?

Completely bonkers.

He also tortures spoons! Protect the spoons! :eek::eek::eek:


:D

[FineWine]

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.



I refuse to believe that anyone is stupid enough to pretend that this is supposed to be the hole made by the plane. Surely there are limits even to obtuseness and insanity?

Note: Several posters got there first.

[tfk]

I refuse to believe that anyone is stupid enough to pretend that this is supposed to be the hole made by the plane. Surely there are limits even to obtuseness and insanity?

Note: Several posters got there first.

There is no upper bound to "stooopid".

Tom

[bill smith]

There is no upper bound to "stooopid".

Tom

Wow T ....did you realise just how utterly qualified Stubbelbine is to speak on these matters ? What was that again ?...'' Commander of of the entire U.S. army's worldwide intelligence activities ''..'' Supremely qualified in photo and satellite photo analysis '' And crazy as a loon, you say ?

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

[FineWine]

Wow T ....did you realise just how utterly qulified Stubbelbine is to speak on these matters ? What was that again ?...'' Commander of of the entire U.S. army's worldwide intelleigence activities ''..'' Supremely qualified in photo and satellite photo analysis '' And crazy as a loon, you say ?

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E


Yeah, we'll just overlook that business about walking through walls. After all, J'onn J'onzz, the Martian Manhunter, can do it.

Who says Stubblevine is crazy as loon? Now, if you had said, crazy as an outhouse rat, I would have to agree.

[triforcharity]

Bill,

So your saying that the pictures posted about the hole in the inner ring is in fact made from the airplane, becaause ONE person says its true??

I have a bridge I would like to sell you. Its currently located in New York, but I can ship it to whatever destination you choose. I only take caash though.

[bill smith]

Yeah, we'll just overlook that business about walking through walls. After all, J'onn J'onzz, the Martian Manhunter, can do it.

Who says Stubblevine is crazy as loon? Now, if you had said, crazy as an outhouse rat, I would have to agree.

You know one of the things I best like about that video ? It's subtitled in German. 90 million of them and they sure do know how to respect a senior military gentleman like Major-General Albert Stubbelbine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

[FineWine]

You know one of the things I best like about that video ? It's subtitled in German. 90 million of them and they sure do know how to respect a military gentleman like Major-General Albert Stubbelbine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E


You're being too modest. Those Germans have nothing on you. You sure know how to respect a man who thinks he can walk through solid walls. Now, if you were ever to respect someone sane...

[bill smith]

You're being too modest. Those Germans have nothing on you. You sure know how to respect a man who thinks he can walk through solid walls. Now, if you were ever to respect someone sane...

Maybe it's just a variation of walking on water ? lol. Whatever...we will get some eexcellent mileage from this video. Onwards and upwards boys.

[TexasJack]

You know one of the things I best like about that video ? It's subtitled in German. 90 million of them and they sure do know how to respect a senior military gentleman like Major-General Albert Stubbelbine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E

He's a loon, it's all you guys got, the loons and crackpots of society, and where has got you? Nowhere.

[bill smith]

He's a loon, it's all you guys got, the loons and crackpots of society, and where has got you? Nowhere.You are forgetting the 'yet'.

[alexi_drago]

I think I've just realised who gave Ultima1 his intelligence training.

[TexasJack]

You are forgetting the 'yet'.

Oh sorry. Yet he is a loon, it's all you guys got, the loons and crackpots of society, and where has got you? Nowhere.

Better?

[T.A.M.]

This is the same guy (Stubblebine), who co-founded/co-runs, this "wonderful" site.

http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/

Oh my....You can have him bill...keep him.

TAM:)

[bill smith]

Oh sorry. Yet he is a loon, it's all you guys got, the loons and crackpots of society, and where has got you? Nowhere.

Better?

You sure got me there Jack. lol

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Wow T ....did you realise just how utterly qualified Stubbelbine is to speak on these matters ?

Yes. Assuming he isn't lying about measuring commie tanks from photos, then he is qualified to measure the size of the hole in the Pentagon.

This is how we know that General Stubblebine is lying. Alex Jones, Steven Jones, David Griffin are all morons talking well outside their areas of expertise (for those that have them). Stubblebine doesn't have that excuse. He is deliberately, willfully and knowingly lying about an attack on a US military installation.

In his case, he deserves some kind of punishment for that.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

You are forgetting the 'yet'.

No... we aren't forgetting the "yet". You are forgetting the statistics on murder cases.

As a rule, if a murder suspect isn't tracked down within the first 72 hours, the probability that it will be solved drops dramatically and the case is likely to get put into the "cold" slot.

It's been eight years since 9/11 and your guys's investigation hasn't even started yet.

[triforcharity]

Yes it has started, but they just don't know what evidence means, so they are all very confused. That, and Bill keeps wanting to be their leader, but Ultima1 says he's more qualified.

[tfk]

Wow T ....did you realise just how utterly qualified Stubbelbine is to speak on these matters ? What was that again ?...'' Commander of of the entire U.S. army's worldwide intelligence activities ''..'' Supremely qualified in photo and satellite photo analysis '' And crazy as a loon, you say ?

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E


Wow bill.

Did you notice that he said that there were NO MARKS left by the wings of the plane on the outside walls of the Pentagon.

This is the same idiot who said that Flight 77 went thru 7, 8, 9 G turn. When we know it was a 1.1G turn.

Do you realize how utterly UNQUALIFIED this makes him?

I could care less what this guy did in 1984. (BTW, please provide independent validation of his role. Forgive my skepticism, but "because the bozo that put this video up on YouTube says it" doesn't satisfy...

tk

[tfk]

Maybe it's just a variation of walking on water ? lol. Whatever...we will get some eexcellent mileage from this video. Onwards and upwards boys.

And, of course, "getting milage" (aka, selling DVDs) is the name of the game.

How are those sales doing, bill?

Tom

[9/11-investigator]

No longer is the 9/11-truth movement confined to lefties who 'want to go after Bush'. Here is an old-style military man who says that F77 did not hit the Pentagon and that WTC came down by CD.

Stuff is heating up slowly...

I have potato chips and beer ready just in case the shooting of Capitol Hill by the military starts. It happened in Russia, it could easily happen in the US as well.

Brought to you by CNN.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0iry3fiHU4

[Caustic Logic]

Hahaha! Ol' Stubby! He's gonna live to be a million with health woo, but ever since he found out he COULD NOT walk through walls, he's a got a grudge against anything else claiming to have passed through a wall, even a 90-ton 757 at 530 mph hitting 13" of brick and limestone.

Not new, not helpful, wrong forum.

[theprestige]

I've been reading up on the Civil War. Apparently it's entirely possible to graduate from West Point and still be a nutjob.

Also, I'm pretty sure that being a General doesn't require any expertise at all in plane crash investigation or controlled demolition. So I don't really see how his military rank is at all relevant to his opinions about 9/11.

Unless... is it possible? Does he actually have some evidence?

But if that were true, why is he making YouTube videos instead of testifying before Congress (and/or going into hiding for fear of his life)?

[johnny karate]

The President of the United States says 9/11 was not an inside job.

You lose.

[JimBenArm]

Definitely not the model of the Modern Major General!

Sorry, someone had to say it...

[Caustic Logic]

Stubblebine apparently was a photo analyst guy in the Cold War and does have some kind of insight, if not into what was IN THESE pictures, than at least in looking AT pictures. The pictures clearly show the expected damage from a 757 crash. The pictures and his though "the hole is too small" etc. is his "evidence." Not even worth links - the guy is spooky/funny and either way out of it or a knowing clown.

[oldhat]

This is the same guy who was in "The Crazy Rulers of the World." The one who believed in ESP and being able to walk through walls.

[Thunder]

This is the same guy who was in "The Crazy Rulers of the World." The one who believed in ESP and being able to walk through walls.

just because he is crazy, senile, insane, irrational, and a nut, doesn't mean he is wrong about 9-11 being an inside job.

:D

[Stellafane]

OK, lessee...a demented lunatic who may or may not know what century it is has bought into the Truther thing. Oh and yet another Truther has posted a picture that clearly demonstrates that he's either (1) lying, or (2) really, really misinformed.

Another fine day in Trutherland, Shucks, how can they even stand the pride and joy they must all be feeling right now?

[johnny karate]

Stuff is heating up slowly...

My nomination for Understatement of the Year. How pathetic and impotent is your movement when you're saying things like this almost a decade after the fact?

[INRM]

Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.

But the guy has expressed interest in paranormal beliefs and other odd things as well.

So, it's really hard to judge... his assessments regarding interpretations of photos I would assume would be reliable, but who knows.


INRM

[DavidJames]

So, it's really hard to judge... his assessments regarding interpretations of photos I would assume would be reliable, but who knows.No, not hard to judge at all. Simply look at the facts. Based on reading the dozens of paranoid laden threads you started, if I were you, I would take a hard look at your thinking and reasoning abilities.

[T.A.M.]

For what it is worth, his history, to some degree, as a military officer, seems confirmed by the admission of such into a court document of his appeal of the award of his first wife's marital support, seen here.

http://www.courts.state.va.us/opinions/opncavtx/1915944.txt

TAM:)

[T.A.M.]

Oh this guy is something else...

http://www.militaryremoteviewers.com/remote-viewing-as-a-research-tool.html

TAM:)

[INRM]

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

[T.A.M.]

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like a winged object went through there... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

Remember, life is not like coyote in loony toons. I am guessing that the wings were buckled back for the instant prior to their near disintigration.

Come on INRM, you are better, smarter than this. The whole "AA77 was too big to make that small hole" argument is so debunked, so 2006.

I am serious...

TAM:)

[bill smith]

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...
Come on man...it's obvious...the wings folded back and slid into the hole along with the fuselage..

[Cl1mh4224rd]

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like a winged object went through there... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...


http://911research.wtc7.net/pentagon/analysis/damage/docs/compmix2.jpg

ETA: http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/hole11.jpg

[T.A.M.]

Come on man...it's obvious...the wings folded back and slid into the hole along with the fuselage..

Sarcasm bill, yet crazy enough, to a certain degree, that is what likely happened. do you have a shred of proof that this is not possible?

Wait. Forget it. Of course you don't.

TAM:)

Edit:

Here is a picture for you bill.

http://blog.adhack.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/road-runner-coyote-geewhiz.jpg

TAM:)

[Björn Toulouse]

Stuff is heating up slowly...




Heating up? Did Stubblebine say anything any differently than what he said in 2006? Global warming heats faster than the TM.

[bill smith]

The hole looks big enough to fit the main fuselage, but now that I think about it -- it doesn't look like an object with the 757's span went through... from what I remember the span of a 757 was 124 feet roughly, it doesn't look anywhere near that big...

Just watch this eye witness describing how the jet's wings folded back and slid into the hole along with he fuselage. Watch he way he describes how it looked with his fingers, It's pretty conclusive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk&feature=PlayList&p=6296649D49E41439&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=43

[T.A.M.]

oh no, not mike walters the government shill. Bill now now, you know he is working for us-- I mean working for the NWO.

Come on, stop playing games.

TAM:)

[triforcharity]

INRM,

The only thing on a plane that would have made that size hole would have been the engines. Heck, it could have even been the landing gear of the plane. I don't know exactly.

But, I can tell you, that hole is not made from an intact plane. Not even without wings.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Heating up? Did Stubblebine say anything any differently than what he said in 2006?


Apparently saying the same thing you said 3 years ago is how the Truth™ Movement "turns up the heat".

* Cl1mh4224rd shivers.
Is it getting slightly less arctic in here?

[Mikister]

Upon checking his biography, I came across some unflattering information.

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III was the commanding general of the United States Army Intelligence and Security Command from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He is known for his interest in parapsychology and was a supporter of the Stargate Project.

Parapsychology is, as we all should know, complete nonsense. Yet he supported the Stargate Project, a military effort to research applications of psychic predictions, telepathy, and extra-sensory perception.

[Brainster]

I give credit to Stubblebine for his service to his country. And personally I am glad that the military had somebody looking into these psychic powers stuff, if only to eliminate it as a possibility. When Roosevelt was first approached about the A-Bomb, he could have dismissed it as too nutty to try; instead it ended WWII.

All that said, Stubblebine is a fruitcake. And from the portion on him that is in The Men Who Stare At Goats, I'd say he's been insane for a long time now.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I have potato chips and beer ready just in case the shooting of Capitol Hill by the military starts.

Violence and death are porn to you people, isn't it?

[leftysergeant]

Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.

Reagan and the Shrub were both POTUS, so they should have some insight into how to build an ecconomicly robust nation, in spite of one having Alzheimers and the other being an immature brai-damaged dry drunk bornm with a silver spoon in his mouth, right?

Sorry, his rank gets him nothing. It is possible to be promoted lightyears beyond your competency.

He didn't see wing marks on the Pentagon. Any rational person sees wing marks.

Then there is his sexual ethics. This guy makes Newt Gingrich look humane in the way he treated his sick wife after their divorce.

Stubby belongs under a freeway overpass with a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 in his hand.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Just watch this eye witness describing how the jet's wings folded back and slid into the hole along with he fuselage. Watch he way he describes how it looked with his fingers, It's pretty conclusive.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0vxc50xAbk&feature=PlayList&p=6296649D49E41439&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=43

I watched the video, and it is conclusive.

He says he saw an American Airlines jet hit the Pentagon.

Case closed, thanks Bill.

[triforcharity]

They arae the same people who google for pictures of people's dead bodies that jumped from the tower. I saaw first hand the victims, its not something I will ever forget, or ever want to see again. EVER.

[theprestige]

Well, the guy was a high ranking intelligence officer who was a photo analyst during the cold war, so he would have some insight into the issue.

But the guy has expressed interest in paranormal beliefs and other odd things as well.

So, it's really hard to judge... his assessments regarding interpretations of photos I would assume would be reliable, but who knows.


INRM
See, there's that "kernel of believability" thing, again. Sure, based on his background, it's believable that he'd be able to measure objects in photographs. And once you've swallowed that kernel of believability, he's hoping you'll go ahead and swallow the big fat lie he's shoveling in on top of it: That being able to measure things in photographs is the same thing as being able to analyze a plane crash.

But of course it isn't the same thing at all. The two have nothing to do with each other. Stubblebine has worked for the military, measuring things in photographs and managing large intelligence organizations. Has he ever worked for the NTSB as a plane crash investigator? Has he ever worked for the Army as a plane crash investigator? Is there anything about measuring things in photographs that sheds any light at all on what happens to a plane when it hits an obstacle?

No, no, and no. But you still want to swallow his big pile of lies, so you conveniently overlook just how unbelievable they are, and try to tell us it's "hard to judge".

It's not hard to judge. And you know what else wouldn't be hard to judge? A real crash expert, with real expertise in analyzing crashes, making the case that no plane crashed at the Pentagon. Only, no real expert has ever made that case. What does that kernel of believability tell you?

[Cl1mh4224rd]

They arae the same people who google for pictures of people's dead bodies that jumped from the tower. I saaw first hand the victims, its not something I will ever forget, or ever want to see again. EVER.


I accidentally stumbled across a picture of one online. *shudder* :(

[Sabrina]

Reagan and the Shrub were both POTUS, so they should have some insight into how to build an ecconomicly robust nation, in spite of one having Alzheimers and the other being an immature brai-damaged dry drunk bornm with a silver spoon in his mouth, right?

Sorry, his rank gets him nothing. It is possible to be promoted lightyears beyond your competency.

He didn't see wing marks on the Pentagon. Any rational person sees wing marks.

Then there is his sexual ethics. This guy makes Newt Gingrich look humane in the way he treated his sick wife after their divorce.

Stubby belongs under a freeway overpass with a bottle of Mad Dog 20/20 in his hand.

I have to echo lefty here.

Just because someone has a high rank doesn't mean they are automatically right about everything.

I've known some pretty stupid higher ranking NCOs and officers in my nearly eight year military career. People who've done really stupid :rule10 And no, I don't intend to elaborate; suffice to say it's absolutely gobsmackingly stupid.

I am not diminishing MG (Ret.) Stubbeline's service, but the man did retire in 1984; I rather doubt he's kept up with the advances in technology since then, especially as regards aircraft crash investigations and photographic examination. Pointing to his rank (which, I might add, he technically no longer holds, as he is RETIRED) or his past jobs as evidence of his veracity is nothing more than an appeal to authority that doesn't even exist in this case. His experience notwithstanding, the man is clearly suffering from dementia or is desperately trying to relive his glory days, neither of which endears him to those seeking actual EVIDENCE. If he were to produce some of that, I might listen to him; until then I'll simply smile and accord him the respect due his former rank should I ever meet him, but completely ignore his bat-crap crazy talk unless I hear some actual evidence, thanks.

[Sabrina]

I accidentally stumbled across a picture of one online. *shudder* :(

I once had a Powerpoint presentation put together by someone railing at the terrorists for doing this horrible, unspeakable act; I could only get through about the first ten slides, as I started crying from all the pictures of people falling from the buildings. That was utterly horrible.

[NagP]

Major General Albert "Bert" N. Stubblebine III, head of all intelligence.

Yeah, I know this guy.
He's the guy who trys to walk through a wall and bumped his nose!

I've read the Japanese translation of "The Men Who Stare at Goats (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0743241924) " by Jon Ronson.

[FineWine]

Maybe it's just a variation of walking on water ? lol. Whatever...we will get some eexcellent mileage from this video. Onwards and upwards boys.



How can you get excellent mileage when you're not moving at all?

[9/11-investigator]

Come on man...it's obvious...the wings folded back and slid into the hole along with the fuselage..

No no, the wing was utterly destroyed, nay vaporized by that little sooperdooper undestructable window pane.

http://1.1.1.3/bmi/www.assassinationscience.com/white_pentaunbrokewindows.jpg

[FineWine]

No no, the wing was utterly destroyed, nay vaporized by that little sooperdooper undestructable window pane.

http://1.1.1.3/bmi/www.assassinationscience.com/white_pentaunbrokewindows.jpg


How is it possible to know nothing after almost eight years?

[T.A.M.]

you know it is amazing those windows, how they managed to survive the blast from the missile/explosives used at the Pentagon on 9/11.

I don't think we are being told the truth, because it seems logical to me that if a missile hit, or explosives were used at the Pentagon on 9/11, that none of those windows should have survived.

TAM;)

[9/11-investigator]

Violence and death are porn to you people, isn't it?

I can't remember that that anybody died during the standoff at the Russian White House. But the system was overthrown. And that was what counted. America same story.

[9/11-investigator]

you know it is amazing those windows, how they managed to survive the blast from the missile/explosives used at the Pentagon on 9/11.

I don't think we are being told the truth, because it seems logical to me that if a missile hit, or explosives were used at the Pentagon on 9/11, that none of those windows should have survived.

TAM;)

That unbroken window was located at the point of impact, according to the OCT.

There is no necessity that a window breaks from an explosion if that window is shielded off from the explosion by interior walls.

But a wing... come on.

[dudalb]

How is it possible to know nothing after almost eight years?

I have noticied that ignorance and Anti Semitism are a natural couple.

[UNLoVedRebel]

That unbroken window was located at the point of impact, according to the OCT.

There is no necessity that a window breaks from an explosion if that window is shielded off from the explosion by interior walls.

But a wing... come on.

Which window are you talking about?

http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/18141490f5f2e00e09.jpg

[scissorhands]

There is no necessity that a window breaks from an explosion if that window is shielded off from the explosion by interior walls.


The same explosion that made a large hole in the exterior wall?
Please explain where you think the explosives were planted in order to achieve this remarkable event?

That unbroken window was located at the point of impact, according to the OCT.

Incorrect.
Try again.

[TruthersLie]

ummm it isn't thta he has expressed an interest in the paranormal.

It is his BELIEF that he can KILL with his mind. It is his stated BELIEF that he can walk through walls. It is his BELIEF that he is a JEDI. It is his BELIEF that he can remote view with accuracy of events.

It isn't an "interest in the paranormal" it is BAT **** CRAZY.

[T.A.M.]

That unbroken window was located at the point of impact, according to the OCT.

There is no necessity that a window breaks from an explosion if that window is shielded off from the explosion by interior walls.

But a wing... come on.

you an expert on the matter? You see I am not, so I rely on the opinion of those who were there and investigated the matter.

That was my point...amateur speculation is worthless...wing, explosives, missile, what ever.

TAM:)

[9/11-investigator]

you an expert on the matter? You see I am not, so I rely on the opinion of those who were there and investigated the matter.

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.

[9/11-investigator]

I have noticied that ignorance and Anti Semitism are a natural couple.

And I have noticed that dudalb and bringing up the topic of 'anti-semitism' are a natural couple as well.

[theprestige]

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.
This sounds like a really interesting degree program. Which university did you study at? Do you happen to have a copy of their course catalog(s) for the years you studied?

[dtugg]

Is the resident Holocaust denying neo-nazi a Pentagon no-planer now? How cute...

[TexasJack]

Trust me.

I'm sorry, but that's not possible.

[9/11-investigator]

I'm sorry, but that's not possible.

I'll get over it.

[9/11-investigator]

Is he a Pentagon no-planer now? How cute...

I have ever since december held the position that F77 and F93 are of minor importance in the grand scheme of things. Concentrate on WTC: that's where all the dying took place. There is the obvious CD.

But if I have to speculate, yes there was no plane at the Pentagon. There was an explosion from the inside and a plane flying over the Pentagon at extreme low altitude.

See: http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#flight77

[bill smith]

Remember Jamie Mcintyre making his report live at he Pentagon ? 'Didn't look like a plane had crashed anywhere near the Pentagon ' only pieces small enough that you could pick up in your hand'. '' there are no large pieces like tail sctions, wing sections, fuselage...'

This was the clip we saw on 9/11 and the only one we saw for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck

[dtugg]

But if I have to speculate, yes there was no plane at the Pentagon. There was an explosion from the inside and a plane flying over the Pentagon at extreme low altitude.

See: [link from garbage blog redacted]

:dl: :dl: :dl:

Wow! So you're a CIT follower, nazi?!?!? Thanks for the laugh!

[Bobert]

you an expert on the matter? You see I am not, so I rely on the opinion of those who were there and investigated the matter.

That was my point...amateur speculation is worthless...wing, explosives, missile, what ever.

TAM:)
Ok Ok slow down tiger!
Lets not get alllllll crazy and suggest truthers actually INTERVIEW the first responders and people involved in the cleanup at the Pentagon!!
I mean really if you cant use cherry picked witness statements and BS claims....

[Bobert]

I have ever since december held the position that F77 and F93 are of minor importance in the grand scheme of things. Concentrate on WTC: that's where all the dying took place. There is the obvious CD.

But if I have to speculate, yes there was no plane at the Pentagon. There was an explosion from the inside and a plane flying over the Pentagon at extreme low altitude.

See: http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#flight77
WOW you got all those sneaky masterminds and WHAT A COINCIDENCE....THEY ARE ALMOST ALL JOOOOOOS!!!!!!

Thank god the CIT CULT attracts all the jew haters.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

And I have noticed that dudalb and bringing up the topic of 'anti-semitism' are a natural couple as well.

I think the anti-semitic race baiting in your sig might have something to do with it.

[leftysergeant]

That unbroken window was located at the point of impact, according to the OCT.

Totally wrong. I get the impression you are referring to the one that most twoofers say should have been hit by the vertical stabilizer, the one directly over the impact hole. Given the angle at which the wings hit, given the marks to the left of that window, which marks resemble those left by the counter-balance in the vertical stabilizer of the Betty that hit the Hinsdale, there is no reason for that window to have been damaged by impact from the outside.

Given that the floor under that window was lifted and cracked, it should, were the damage done by a bomb, have been blown completely out of its frame.

The damage is, then, consistant with the action of ballistic objects, rather than with explosives.

There is no necessity that a window breaks from an explosion if that window is shielded off from the explosion by interior walls.


The floor slab cracked in several places around the impact hole. That would generally over-pressurize the entire second floor, proibably the third. However, no glass is broken out at locations where it can be demonstrated that no solid ballistic object hit.

[Cl1mh4224rd]

How can you get excellent mileage when you're not moving at all?


0 / 0 = Infinite miles per gallon? :)

[T.A.M.]

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.

Thats funny.

I studied physics too.

first year - string theory.
second year - quantum mechanics
third year - effects of explosives on bomb proof windows...did that all year long

fourth year - Spatial/Temporal distortions and the formation of worm holes.

TAM:)

[FineWine]

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.


Imagine, four years of science classes and you didn't learn a thing.

I like your yarn about killing a year studying the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. We must have gone to the same school. Why, for two whole years I studied the designs on the backs of Tally-ho playing cards. Best forty grand I ever spent.

Sure, we trust you. I can't imagine why anybody wouldn't trust you. :rolleyes:

[FineWine]

I have ever since december held the position that F77 and F93 are of minor importance in the grand scheme of things. Concentrate on WTC: that's where all the dying took place. There is the obvious CD.

But if I have to speculate, yes there was no plane at the Pentagon. There was an explosion from the inside and a plane flying over the Pentagon at extreme low altitude.

See: http://how911wasdone.blogspot.com/#flight77


As a favor to the sane people here, would you mind NOT explaining how the remains of the passengers and crew of AA77 happened to be found inside the Pentagon.

Is the phrase "Nazi moron" redundant?

[FineWine]

Remember Jamie Mcintyre making his report live at he Pentagon ? 'Didn't look like a plane had crashed anywhere near the Pentagon ' only pieces small enough that you could pick up in your hand'. '' there are no large pieces like tail sctions, wing sections, fuselage...'

This was the clip we saw on 9/11 and the only one we saw for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck


Bill, Bill--when will you learn? When they handed out smarts, you were AWOL. Even though it's shooting fish in a barrel, I take great pleasure in pointing out that...

YOU'VE BEEN CAUGHT AGAIN!


http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_mcintyre_and_the_pentago.html

[triforcharity]

Ok, wait a minute. If a bomb went off INSIDE the building, why isn't there TONS OF OFFICES relocated to the lawn of the Pentagon??

Take this explosion for example. This is an explosion from gas alone.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dSpoUUFBBM

BTW, it LEVELED that house. Nothing left, and that was a SMALL explosion compared to what would have had to be used to hurt the Pentagon.

PS. The firefighter SURVIVED!! 1:55 seconds is where the explosion occurs.

[BigAl]

Remember Jamie Mcintyre making his report live at he Pentagon ? 'Didn't look like a plane had crashed anywhere near the Pentagon ' only pieces small enough that you could pick up in your hand'. '' there are no large pieces like tail sctions, wing sections, fuselage...'

This was the clip we saw on 9/11 and the only one we saw for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck

And in the part that someone cut out "in the name of truth", Mcintyre also said:

MCINTYRE: "... I COULD SEE PARTS OF THE AIRPLANE THAT CRASHED INTO THE BUILDING..."

Full text: http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.35.html
The transcript is dated 9/11/2001.

[bill smith]

Bill, Bill--when will you learn? When they handed out smarts, you were AWOL. Even though it's shooting fish in a barrel, I take great pleasure in pointing out that...

YOU'VE BEEN CAUGHT AGAIN!


http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_mcintyre_and_the_pentago.html

Lol I wonder if MikeW (who owns that site) would care to come and argue this with me ? I bet he doesn't.

[funk de fino]

Lol I wonder if MikeW (who owns that site) would care to come and argue this with me ? I bet he doesn't.

Why do we have to argue whether you are lying or not when it has just been shown to you?

Its a slamdunker.

[dtugg]

Lol I wonder if MikeW (who owns that site) would care to come and argue this with me ? I bet he doesn't.

There is nothing to argue. You are an incompetent liar and that is a fact. Whether or not Mike decides to tell you this makes no difference.

[bill smith]

There is nothing to argue. You are an incompetent liar and that is a fact. Whether or not Mike decides to tell you this makes no difference.

But don't you want to watch the fun dtugg ? I bet everybody else does ?

[dtugg]

But don't you want to watch the fun dtugg ? I bet everybody else does ?

I see you and your pathetic lies get smacked down practically every day so it makes no difference to me.

[bill smith]

I see you and your pathetic lies get smacked down practically every day so it makes no difference to me.
Then I'll put you down as a 'yes' ?

[dtugg]

Then I'll put you down a'yes' ?

Whatever, you illiterate liar.

[bill smith]

Whatever, you illiterate liar.

lol.

[JoeyDonuts]

Oh boy. Our favorite Dane is back with new canards.

How's that research on the remote hijacking of the 9/11 planes going there, buddy?

Find any whistleblowers yet?

[leftysergeant]

And in the part that someone cut out "in the name of truth", Mcintyre also said:

This is a typical twoofer trick. I am goping through the same crap with Killtown on his latest post to the Ed Schultz message board.

He took little snippets from statements by people who were at Shanksville and used them to "prove" that the wreckage was not what it should be.

Odd that they will glom onto any doofus, like Stubby, even if they have proven themselves to totally lack personal integrity, and dismiss people who were there and performed honorably, like the fire fighters who responded and, in a couple cases, actually saw the plane inbound.

Sad commentary on the mental state of the twoofers.

[Pinch]

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.

You should demand a refund from the institution of higher learning in question because you got gyped - assuming it was indeed "higher" learning.

[tfk]

That's OK. I studied physics.

First year mechanics, thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory.

Second year nuclear physics, quantummechanics.

Third year: studied the impact of airplane wings hitting windows. I did that for a whole year. Thousands of experiments and in all cases the windows were smashed. Trust me.

Fourth year: general relativity theory, electrodynamics.
.
Ahhh, That explains a lot.

You think that a "first year college mechanics course" is adequate to provide you the tools to analyze the likely behavior of the wing of that airplane in that collision.

You also think that the fields of "thermodynamics, wave theory, special relativity theory, nuclear physics, quantummechanics [sic], general relativity theory and electrodynamics" have one word to say about the same event...

Apparently, you were not paying attention in class.

May I ask what you have done with that training since your halcyon days?? Or perhaps, your professional background that might be considered directly related. By a sane person.

There are a LOT of undergraduate science & physics students who think that they are the only smart group of people in the world. A few years in the wide world usually disabuses them of that silly, silly notion.

tom

[tfk]

Remember Jamie Mcintyre making his report live at he Pentagon ? 'Didn't look like a plane had crashed anywhere near the Pentagon ' only pieces small enough that you could pick up in your hand'. '' there are no large pieces like tail sctions, wing sections, fuselage...'

This was the clip we saw on 9/11 and the only one we saw for years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck

Bill is congenitally incapable of speaking the truth.

I'm sorry. That is wrong. That is putting the blame on his parents.

Bill has acquired, thru a life of indolence and insincerity, a casual disregard for the truth.

I have explained to bill, repeatedly, in detail, the comments of Jamie McIntyre. (And of Mike Walter).

I have shown to bill, repeatedly, in detail, how their comments were taken out of context. .

I have fetched the full transcripts showing the real comments in their real context. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the videos of both of these reporters expressing shock and dismay that their words have been twisted & used by deceitful truthers. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the transcripts of both of these videos. Repeatedly.

And I have done all of the above AT LEAST a half dozen times.

Because bill casually and carelessly abandons that argument when faced with a mountain of counter evidence ...

... only to bring up the same issue again. And again. And again. As though all the previous facts were suddenly irrelevant to his opportunity to make a grandiose, bombastic and completely false assertion.

One that he KNOWS is false.

Typical bill...
___

For anyone with a FUNCTIONING sense of honor, or truthiness...

Here's Jamie McIntyre's definitive statement on this non-issue:

From:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/20/tt.01.html

JAMIE McINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "There are still people who don't believe a plane really hit the Pentagon on September 11th. I was there, I saw the wreckage, I photographed it with my digital camera. One of the pictures I took shows a yellow fire hose stretched across the heliport surrounded with thousands of shards of metal from the plane. Another shows glass that appeared to be from the cockpit, and another was a part of the fuselage with the colors of American Airlines.

I was surprised to find that my own words are part of the conspiracy presentation. You can see on the Internet clips of me saying on September 11th, from my own close up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. But I was answering a question, and the point I was making was about an eyewitness who thought a plane crashed near the Pentagon. I was saying no, not near the Pentagon. The only plane that crashed was at the Pentagon."

Case closed.

[Only to be pried open by ole "Shameless" at some later date...]


Tom

[ElMondoHummus]

Tom, just to make life easier: In some cases refutations to common conspiracy claims already exist, and can be pointed to. The truth behind the lie Bill told is one of them; Mike W has it written up here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_mcintyre_and_the_pentago.html

I just point this out in case you want to reduce your workload in responding to lies such as the one Bill told. You don't have to lean on previous works of course. I just point it out because it does make dealing with such lies easier, and it illustrates how dishonest truthers are to boot since the answer has been readily availalble for some time now.

Just my 2 cents.

[tfk]

Tom, just to make life easier: In some cases refutations to common conspiracy claims already exist, and can be pointed to. The truth behind the lie Bill told is one of them; Mike W has it written up here:
http://www.911myths.com/html/jamie_mcintyre_and_the_pentago.html

I just point this out in case you want to reduce your workload in responding to lies such as the one Bill told. You don't have to lean on previous works of course. I just point it out because it does make dealing with such lies easier, and it illustrates how dishonest truthers are to boot since the answer has been readily availalble for some time now.

Just my 2 cents.

Gracias, Senor Hummus,

Like most of us, I strongly suspect, I've collected my own version of definitive answers and links. And simply cut & paste. That's a big time saver.

The folks here have wised up to Bill's routine in relatively short order. I've had an almost 2 year head start on his shenanigans.

Bill is a "special" character. As such, he deserves, IMO, "special" attention.


Tom

[bill smith]

Bill is congenitally incapable of speaking the truth.

I'm sorry. That is wrong. That is putting the blame on his parents.

Bill has acquired, thru a life of indolence and insincerity, a casual disregard for the truth.

I have explained to bill, repeatedly, in detail, the comments of Jamie McIntyre. (And of Mike Walter).

I have shown to bill, repeatedly, in detail, how their comments were taken out of context. .

I have fetched the full transcripts showing the real comments in their real context. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the videos of both of these reporters expressing shock and dismay that their words have been twisted & used by deceitful truthers. Repeatedly.

I have brought to him the transcripts of both of these videos. Repeatedly.

And I have done all of the above AT LEAST a half dozen times.

Because bill casually and carelessly abandons that argument when faced with a mountain of counter evidence ...

... only to bring up the same issue again. And again. And again. As though all the previous facts were suddenly irrelevant to his opportunity to make a grandiose, bombastic and completely false assertion.

One that he KNOWS is false.

Typical bill...
___

For anyone with a FUNCTIONING sense of honor, or truthiness...

Here's Jamie McIntyre's definitive statement on this non-issue:

From:
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0605/20/tt.01.html

JAMIE McINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: "There are still people who don't believe a plane really hit the Pentagon on September 11th. I was there, I saw the wreckage, I photographed it with my digital camera. One of the pictures I took shows a yellow fire hose stretched across the heliport surrounded with thousands of shards of metal from the plane. Another shows glass that appeared to be from the cockpit, and another was a part of the fuselage with the colors of American Airlines.

I was surprised to find that my own words are part of the conspiracy presentation. You can see on the Internet clips of me saying on September 11th, from my own close up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane crashing anywhere near the Pentagon. But I was answering a question, and the point I was making was about an eyewitness who thought a plane crashed near the Pentagon. I was saying no, not near the Pentagon. The only plane that crashed was at the Pentagon."

Case closed.

[Only to be pried open by ole "Shameless" at some later date...]


Tom

Yeah...i can remember tht too. This is how I heard it...

'' ....MCINTYRE: Until now, this single frame was the only image that showed the jetliner before it hit the Pentagon. And the image is so indistinct that it helped fuel conspiracy theories that abound on the Internet, despite pictures of the wreckage and eyewitness accounts.

MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, this doesn't add up. It's really low.

MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN, in which I, myself, appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building.

''But from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. ''

MCINTYRE: Wolf, in fact, and I was saying that there was no plane that fell short of the Pentagon, only the one that hit the Pentagon. But don't try telling that to the conspiracy theorists -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Jamie, good report. Thank you very much. ''

Jeez....I remember how long it took me to stop laughing....lol

[FineWine]

Lol I wonder if MikeW (who owns that site) would care to come and argue this with me ? I bet he doesn't.


Argue WHAT? You got caught lying again. Jamie McIntyre doesn't swallow your lunatic snake oil.

[FineWine]

lol.


In the interest of accuracy, it should be pointed out that you are a semi-literate liar.

[FineWine]

Yeah...i can remember tht too. This is how I heard it...

'' ....MCINTYRE: Until now, this single frame was the only image that showed the jetliner before it hit the Pentagon. And the image is so indistinct that it helped fuel conspiracy theories that abound on the Internet, despite pictures of the wreckage and eyewitness accounts.

MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming. And I thought, this doesn't add up. It's really low.

MCINTYRE: The Web sites often take statements out of context, such as this exchange from CNN, in which I, myself, appear to be questioning whether a plane really hit the building.

''But from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. ''

MCINTYRE: Wolf, in fact, and I was saying that there was no plane that fell short of the Pentagon, only the one that hit the Pentagon. But don't try telling that to the conspiracy theorists -- Wolf.

BLITZER: Jamie, good report. Thank you very much. ''

Jeez....I remember how long it took me to stop laughing....lol


I confess that I have developed a hearty dislike for your stupidity and dishonesty. But your confession of a serious medical problem affected me. What did your psychiatrist say about your bizarre episode of hysteria? I'm not a doctor, but I suspect that your convulsive laughter at a straightforward exchange that completely destroys the insane, irrational fantasies you are wedded to reveals a deep internal conflict. You continue to promote nonsensical falsehoods to work out crude hatreds for certain groups, but you recognize, at least on a basic level, that everything you say is wrong.
My theory would account for the delight you take in being regularly torn to shreds by people who know vastly more than you do.

[bill smith]

I confess that I have developed a hearty dislike for your stupidity and dishonesty. But your confession of a serious medical problem affected me. What did your psychiatrist say about your bizarre episode of hysteria? I'm not a doctor, but I suspect that your convulsive laughter at a straightforward exchange that completely destroys the insane, irrational fantasies you are wedded to reveals a deep internal conflict. You continue to promote nonsensical falsehoods to work out crude hatreds for certain groups, but you recognize, at least on a basic level, that everything you say is wrong.
My theory would account for the delight you take in being regularly torn to shreds by people who know vastly more than you do.

I didn't say I had any kind of medical condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and to treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves.

[FineWine]

I didn't say I had any kind of medcal condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves.


I'm afraid I don't understand. You presented a straightforward exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that completely destroyed one of the many stupid lies you peddle and you then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria.
I presumed that you sought psychiatric attention (if you didn't, why not?).

You should clarify the situation for us. Was your hysteria treated or not? Why did you confess to being reduced to convulsive laughter at the collapse of one of your fantasies? Do you think that the definitive exposure of another of your insane movement's lies is somehow good for you?

It's strange, yet oddly predictable, that someone who lies so compulsively and flagrantly should accuse a sane, honest person of his own worst failing.

[bill smith]

I'm afraid I don't understand. You presented a straightforward exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that completely destroyed the stupid lies you peddle and you then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria.
I presumed that you sought psychiatric attention (if you didn't, why not?).

You should clarify the situation for us. Was your hysteria treated or not? Why did you confess to being reduced to convulsive laughter at the collapse of one of your fantasies? Do you think that the definitive exposure of another of your insane movement's lies is somehow good for you?

It's strange, yet oddly predictable, that someone who lies so compulsively and flagrantly should accuse a sane, honest person of his own worst failing.

No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.

[FineWine]

No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.


The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual?

[Justin39640]

The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual?

yeah whats so funny about the murder of the people on the plane or in the pentagon
i never laughed when i drove past firefighters funerals or through the "arches"
i cried (literally) every single time
i still get choked up at some videos
cant help it

did you laugh at those on TV too?

thats pretty sick man

[bill smith]

The post is, as you know, # 127. You (how many times will I have to repeat this?) presented an exchange between Jamie McIntyre and Wolf Blitzer that exposed and refuted a lie you promote. You then stated that you suffered a fit of hysteria. Would you care to explain, or will you run away as usual?

So if you laugh long you have a 'serious medical condition' ? And to say you laughed long is a confession to a serious medical condition' ?

Jeez....you an Jamie both belong to the 9/11 school of semantics. lol.

[Justin39640]

So if you laugh long you have a 'serious medical condition' ? And to say you laughed long is a confession to a serious medical condition' ?

Jeez....you an Jamie both belong to the 9/11 school of semantics. lol.

try laughing at this
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=funeral%20911%20firefighter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=vi

read the stories when you look at the images

disgusting

[bill smith]

try laughing at this
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=funeral%20911%20firefighter&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=vi

read the stories when you look at the images

disgusting

Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts,

NB. Concerned Citizens reading this exchange should watch carefully the techniques employed by the debunkers ro discredit the Truth Movement. Ask yourself why they would go to such ridiculous lengths ?

[BigAl]

Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts,


Again:

MIKE WALTER, EYEWITNESS: I looked off. I was -- you know, looked out my window and I saw this plane, a jet, an American Airlines jet, coming.

[FineWine]

No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.


We are all familiar with the drill: you tell a whopping lie; you get caught; you bluster clumsily; you get thoroughly smacked down; you run away. Nothing new here.

Although you've abandoned the field after yet another humiliation, I want to continue for a bit. You dishonestly pretended that Jamie McIntyre, a reality-based human who shares none of your idiotic delusions, lent support to the insane notion that no plane crashed into the Pentagon. In fact, he did nothing of the sort. He complained to Wolf Blitzer, a Bush-bashing liberal Democrat, that conspiracy nuts were making it appear as though he denied that AA77 hit the building. He set the record straight.

For pathological reasons, his clarification reduced you to hysteria. I would bet heavily that you didn't laugh at all--you were lying again. But, for argument's sake, let's take you at your word. What provoked your laughter? McIntyre wasn't caught in anything. You were caught promoting another falsehood, which, come to think of it, is all you do. Really. You are never right and you never tell the truth.

[FineWine]

Bill's disingenuous semantical game reminded me of the classic exchange from "Animal House" between Flounder and Boon:

F: "I can't believe I threw up in front of Dean Wormer."

B: "Face it, kid, you threw up on Dean Wormer."


No, Bill, a plane that has crashed into a building did not crash near the building.

[FineWine]

Iwas laughing at Jamie McIntyre's revealing explanation for why he said 'there is no evidence that a plane crashed anywhere near the Pentagon' as I suspect you well know. See post #127 on this page for a full viewing of the facts,

NB. Concerned Citizens reading this exchange should watch carefully the techniques employed by the debunkers ro discredit the Truth Movement. Ask yourself why they would go to such ridiculous lengths ?


Yes, Bill, ask yourself why you and your fellow frauds go to such insanely ridiculous lengths to distort the plain meaning of the words of people who reject your idiocy.

[triforcharity]

Justin,

I agree. I myself attended every single funeral for my fallen friends. I shed more tears in the weeks following 9/11 than I have shed in my entire life. Heck, even that day, as I waas hearing the PASS (PASS Device is an alarm that will go off if a firefighter doesn't move for a certain time. They have saved many firefighters, including myself) devices going off, and scrambling to try to rescue the fallen, I had tears in my eyes. Quite a few times I had to stop and take a break, because it was just too much. Heck, I was a still pretty new at the time.

And for someone like Bill to think that it's funny when someone clearly points out that people DIED in a plane crash, and he LAUGHS at their comments, its repulsive.

BTW, thanks for the link. Amazing.

Bill,

Why do you people (I use that term VERY loosely) think its cool to take people's comments out of context?? Especially so BLATENTLY?!?!?!?!?! WTF is wrong with you things???

[tsig]

Yeah, I know this guy.
He's the guy who trys to walk through a wall and bumped his nose!

I've read the Japanese translation of "The Men Who Stare at Goats (http://www.amazon.com/dp/0743241924) " by Jon Ronson.

Having killed several goats I can say that a .22 short thru the head(straight on) is much faster that staring.

[tsig]

ummm it isn't thta he has expressed an interest in the paranormal.

It is his BELIEF that he can KILL with his mind. It is his stated BELIEF that he can walk through walls. It is his BELIEF that he is a JEDI. It is his BELIEF that he can remote view with accuracy of events.

It isn't an "interest in the paranormal" it is BAT **** CRAZY.

It's one thing to dream of Camelot but proclaiming that you are Lancelot is generally off limits.

[ElMondoHummus]

Gracias, Senor Hummus,

Like most of us, I strongly suspect, I've collected my own version of definitive answers and links. And simply cut & paste. That's a big time saver.

The folks here have wised up to Bill's routine in relatively short order. I've had an almost 2 year head start on his shenanigans.

Bill is a "special" character. As such, he deserves, IMO, "special" attention.


Tom

No problem, sir. Anytime.

And yes, I think we all have our own little compendium of links to lean on. Heck, mine's so large, I've got 2 levels of subfolders just to keep 'em straight. There are times I've wished I had a bookmarks search feature :boggled:. But, I've found that I lean on Gravy's site (http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com), Mike's (http://911myths.com), and the search function here the most; Gravy's, while only being a small amount of the information that's out there, still stands as one of the most encyclopedic. And Mike W's has some of the most straightforward explanations around.

The shame of it is that both of them do little more than link publicly available information. The more I use their sites as gateways to accurate information about 9/11, the more I realize just how pathetic 9/11 conspiracy peddlers are about their material; the rebuttals to their distortions and mistruths are so publicly and readily available that it has convinced me that you actually need to purposely turn a blind eye to truth in order to believe in the 9/11 conspiracy fantasy. It's one thing to be taken in on a minute, isolated point and think there's something legitimate there; as I've said before, the thing that captured me was being unable to explain the "molten steel" issue properly, despite my degree in chemistry. Individual elements can have compelling albeit misleading truther explanations to them. But it's an entirely separate thing to continue to see rebuttal after rebuttal and still think there's an element of accuracy or truth to the so-called "Truth" movement. I saw the work they put into distortion after just one, single topic; it blows my mind to see others continually get the truth thrown, spoon fed, translated, diagrammed, and hurled at them over and over and still hold their beliefs in the fictional conspiracy. That sort of mentality rises to the level of pathology.

Anyway, you're welcome. And as a slight derail: Maybe we ought to have a "bookmarks sharing" thread at some point. That might be interesting. I'm going to ponder that for a bit here...

[bill smith]

We are all familiar with the drill: you tell a whopping lie; you get caught; you bluster clumsily; you get thoroughly smacked down; you run away. Nothing new here.

Although you've abandoned the field after yet another humiliation, I want to continue for a bit. You dishonestly pretended that Jamie McIntyre, a reality-based human who shares none of your idiotic delusions, lent support to the insane notion that no plane crashed into the Pentagon. In fact, he did nothing of the sort. He complained to Wolf Blitzer, a Bush-bashing liberal Democrat, that conspiracy nuts were making it appear as though he denied that AA77 hit the building. He set the record straight.

For pathological reasons, his clarification reduced you to hysteria. I would bet heavily that you didn't laugh at all--you were lying again. But, for argument's sake, let's take you at your word. What provoked your laughter? McIntyre wasn't caught in anything. You were caught promoting another falsehood, which, come to think of it, is all you do. Really. You are never right and you never tell the truth.

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.

[Justin39640]

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.

jamie- a plane didnt hit the lawn it hit the building
bill laughs uncontrollably

and i thought i had a dark sense of humor

what else do you find "funny" bill

hey tri
i must have driven under at least 50 arches in the 1st 6 months
niagra falls every time

the whole metro NY area was depressed for 6 months at least
you could just feel it and see it in everyones face
there was almost NO crime in NYC for almost a month after
even the criminals were sad
:(

[Galileo]

Yeah, you are a fool(and disingenuous). That is not even a hole. It is the burned front of a building.

Here is the hole before the fire, after the collision with the 7 whatever 7.
http://thetruthnews.info/pentagon%20hole.jpg


Look ma, no airplane.

And why no damage to the B-ring?

Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring.

[Justin39640]

it only had enough force to go through 2 walls not 3 plus in that area between b and c there was plenty of room for the forces that created the puchout hole to dissipate (open air)
before the c ring it was all trapped in the building

[Galileo]

it only had enough force to go through 2 walls not 3 plus in that area between b and c there was plenty of room for the forces that created the puchout hole to dissipate (open air)
before the c ring it was all trapped in the building

sure it did.

[bill smith]

And why no damage to the B-ring?

Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring.

The plane actually went hrough six steel reinforced walls and a small forest of vertical columns and survived intact enough to punch a perfect double-garage door-sized hole in the final wall. Pretty good for a 1mm thick aluminium, shell.
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

[tfk]

I didn't say I had any kind of medical condition- ever. It is sad that you are reduced to an outright lie in a crude attempt to discredit me. If you cannot produce the post where i made the cnfession you claim then I strongly advise people on both sides of the argument to recognise you for the liar you are and to treat you accordingly. If they support you in this lie that will of course reflect strongly on themselves.
.
Wow, bill.

Hit a nerve there, didn't he?

Well, I suspect that what you say is true. That you haven't said you had any sort of medical condition.

Here, anyway.

LoL.

t

[bill smith]

.
Wow, bill.

Hit a nerve there, didn't he?

Well, I suspect that what you say is true. That you haven't say you had any sort of medical condition.

Here, anyway.

LoL.

t

Yes, I was awfully awfully upset. I almost lost control I was so incensed.

[FineWine]

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.


How utterly stupid do you have to be to find McIntyre's perfectly clear and reasonable explantion ludicrous? We all know what type of person you are: obtuse, hate-filled, dishonest, and ignorant.
Imagine the gall of agenda-driven lunatics who twist a man's words to pretend that he lends credence to insane crapola and then whine when he corrects the record!
The plane did not crash near the Pentagon, you dumb so-and-so; it crashed INTO the Pentagon.

[dtugg]

bill, if you don't mind me asking, what exact condition(s) do you suffer from? Knowing the answer to this would help explain a lot.

[FineWine]

And why no damage to the B-ring?

Because a bomb blew a hole in the C-ring.


Stop lying. There were no bombs. Have someone read excerpts from the Pentagon Building Performance report to you. You won't learn anything, of course.

[tfk]

How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 FineWine ?
I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable. I don't think anybody iwill have any doubt left about what type of person you are after these last half dozen exchanges.
.
Hmmmm, bill.

Do you understand the English language? You write it. But the words don't contain meaning...

For example, here you say:

"... How utterly stupid do you have to be to say that I accused Jamie McIntyre of anything in that post #127 ..."

And in the very next sentence, you say:
"I simply reported verbatim what was said in two news clips and said that I found his ludicrous explanation laughable."

Saying that you "found his ludicrous explanation laughable" is semantically IDENTICAL to accusing him of lying. There is no way around it.

And then accuse FW of being "stupid" for observing the obvious...?

English, bill. It's called "English".

T

PS. You are a walking, squawking cliche, bill. A liar who cavilierly, effortlessly, baselessly calls lots of other people "liar".

[bill smith]

bill, if you don't mind me asking, what exact condition(s) do you suffer from? Knowing the answer to this would help explain a lot.

Well if I use a cheap shampoo I tend to get dandruff so I usually use Umberto Giannini which avoids the problem and gives me a certain cachet. Two birds with one stone you see.

[Justin39640]

The plane actually went hrough six steel reinforced walls and a small forest of vertical columns and survived intact enough to punch a perfect double-garage door-sized hole in the final wall. Pretty good for a 1mm thick aluminium, shell.
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

really bill?
REALLY?

after 8 years and youve never bothered to look at this
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/pentagon_sections.jpg
did you?

why do you lie like that?
trolling isnt the word

[bill smith]

really bill?
REALLY?

after 8 years and youve never bothered to look at this
http://911review.com/errors/pentagon/imgs/pentagon_sections.jpg
did you?

why do you lie like that?
trolling isnt the word

How many walls do you count ?

[Justin39640]

2
how many do you?
liar

[bill smith]

2
how many do you?
liar

Would you agree that 9/11 was an inside job if a plane very much like the one in the photo in all the ways that count went through six consecutive concrete walls at the Petagon on 9/11 ?
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

[Justin39640]

Would you agree that 9/11 was an inside job if a plane very much like the one in the photo in all the ways that count went through six concrete walls at the Petagon on 9/11 ?
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

if that was going 500 mph it would have went straight through the airport

[Justin39640]

Would you agree that 9/11 was an inside job if a plane very much like the one in the photo in all the ways that count went through six concrete walls at the Petagon on 9/11 ?
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

here ya go bill
keep lying
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/1487/pentagonbll.png

[bill smith]

if that was going 500 mph it would have went straight through the airport

Sure. Keep telling yourself that.

[Justin39640]

Sure. Keep telling yourself that.

how fast was that plane goin bill

[bill smith]

how fast was that plane goin bill

Listen to the bullet coming back, 500 mph is not the speed pf light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

[Justin39640]

Listen to the bullet coming back, 500 mph is not the speed pf light.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc

stop lying
stop trying to change the subject
that plane lurched forward it was probably going slower than 10 mph and punched through a wall up to the 1st door

if it did that much damage how much can a plane doing 500 do?

and i cant find the story your pic is from
but it happened another time at Newark Int in NJ

http://www.airliners.net/photo/092008/M
N16884 (cn 48074/1026) It is said that the aircraft's engines were accidentally started at gate 115... brakes not set ... Declared damaged beyond economical repair.

emphasis mine

ETA: your own pics debunk you EVERYTIME
just stop already

[bill smith]

stop lying
stop trying to change the subject
that plane lurched forward it was probably going slower than 10 mph and punched through a wall up to the 1st door

if it did that much damage how much can a plane doing 500 do?

and i cant find the story your pic is from
but it happened another time at Newark Int in NJ

http://www.airliners.net/photo/092008/M


emphasis mine

ETA: your own pics debunk you EVERYTIME
just stop already

If I am getting you right you think that this plane in the photo has penetrated the building and that the image does not show a plane heavily damaged by a fairly minor impact with a relatively light concrete wall ?
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

[dtugg]

bill you should seriously get some help. You are probably only like 15 so you do have some hope of living a normal life if you get that desperately needed help soon.

[Justin39640]

If I am getting you right you think hat this plane in the photo has penetrated the building and that the image does not show a plane heavily damaged by a fairly minor impact with a relatively light concrete wall ?
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

stop lying

how many walls at the pentagon (answer 2)

youre comparing grapes to those giant pumpkins

youre either a liar or a complete idiot
which is it?

[bill smith]

stop lying

how many walls at the pentagon (answer 2)

youre comparing grapes to those giant pumpkins

youre either a liar or a complete idiot
which is it?

I'd say our unseen audience is enjoying this little show Justin. Not as much as I am though.lol

[dtugg]

youre either a liar or a complete idiot
which is it?

False dilemma.

(There is no reason that he can't be both.)

[FineWine]

bill you should seriously get some help. You are probably only like 15 so you do have some hope of living a normal life if you get that desperately needed help soon.


I could be wrong, but I get the impression that Bill is not an angry, empty-headed kid, but a really sick old guy.

[triforcharity]

The plane actually went hrough six steel reinforced walls and a small forest of vertical columns and survived intact enough to punch a perfect double-garage door-sized hole in the final wall. Pretty good for a 1mm thick aluminium, shell.
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

There were not six steerl reinforced walls sweetfoot. The only wall that was truely reinforced was the exterrior wall.
Also, can you please cite your source for this idiotic information??

Also, the fuselage did not make the hole in any of the rings, other than the outer ring. After that, it was the landing gear and the engines.

You posting a picture of a plane that crashed into a building doesn't prove anything. The only thing it proves is that the jet you posted was NOT going in excess of 500 MPH.

BTW, can anyone identify where this happened, or what type of airliner that is?? Its looks somewhat smaller than a 767, but I could be wrong.

Thanks!

[FineWine]

I'd say our unseen audience is enjoying this little show Justin. Not as much as I am though.lol


So, the question remains, why do you enjoy being beaten to a pulp and humiliated? You're never right. You always lose. Your lies always get exposed. How does your insane movement profit from your constant failures?

[bill smith]

I'd say our unseen audience is enjoying this little show Justin. Not as much as I am though.lol

Sorry folks. Looks like the show's over for now. Tune in again for another episode of 'debunker tail-twisting' produced and directed by bill smith.

[FineWine]

Sorry folks. Looks like the show's over for now. Tune in again for anoher episode of 'debunker tail-twisting' produced and directed by bill smith.


Yeah, Bill, you just wore out our fists with your chin.

[Justin39640]

Sorry folks. Looks like the show's over for now. Tune in again for another episode of 'debunker tail-twisting' produced and directed by bill smith.

ah so youre just a lying (rule 10) who thinks the events of 911 are a laugh riot

hopefully that series is getting canceled soon lol

[Stellafane]

Yeah, Bill, you just wore out our fists with your chin.

SOP for truthers. They're like a bunch of blindfolded naked guys running around in a field full of cattle prods, telling themselves "Hey! That last zap might have been just a bit less painful! We're winning!!" It ain't much, but when it's all you got, I guess it's enough.

[triforcharity]

Bill,

Can you please explain to us how fast the plane in your photo was traveling when it collided with the building?? Can you?? I bet you can't.

Anyway, here is what I really would like to point out.

Now, if you take a sledgehammer, and slam it into a brick (Not block, there is a difference) wall, how many bricks are going to fall out?? One, nah, most likely 3-4, maybe even more. Maby less, but most certainly more than one.

Now, take an aircraft engine, blast it into a building at 500 +/- MPH. How many bricks is it going to break out of a wall?? I think that plane engine that made that hole was most likely NOT going 500 MPH at that point. It might have HIT the wall, but not penetrated it completely. I don't know for certain, but that is my thoughts. Plus, once that daamage is done, more bricks are going to fall because they have lost support. Not to mention, I don't know exactly when that picture was taken, but I can be pretty certain it wasn't the minute after it happened. Reason?? Spray Paint on the wall. They didn't start investigating untill the next day. So, because it is a safety hazard to be working around bricks that are loose, did you stop and think, maybe they (FBI, CIA, DOD, etc) might have removed some loose ones to ensure safety?? I bet they would. DOD is very strict on safety.

[bill smith]

ah so youre just a lying (rule 10) who thinks the events of 911 are a laugh riot

hopefully that series is getting canceled soon lol

Not a chance. A docusoap like this will run and run. Until it's finally over of course. Then we victorious heroic Truth seekers will be able to eat out on it all the rest of our lives.

[Justin39640]

Not a chance. A docusoap like this will run and run. Until it's over of course. Then we victorious heroic Truth seekers will be able to eat out on it all the rest of our lives.

o stop it
youre a lying troll
you dont even believe that BS
why are you here?
be honest
you couldnt even leave when you said you were goin

go ta bed already

[bill smith]

There were not six steerl reinforced walls sweetfoot. The only wall that was truely reinforced was the exterrior wall.
Also, can you please cite your source for this idiotic information??

Also, the fuselage did not make the hole in any of the rings, other than the outer ring. After that, it was the landing gear and the engines.

You posting a picture of a plane that crashed into a building doesn't prove anything. The only thing it proves is that the jet you posted was NOT going in excess of 500 MPH.

BTW, can anyone identify where this happened, or what type of airliner that is?? Its looks somewhat smaller than a 767, but I could be wrong.

Thanks!

Do you think the landing gear made the initial 16' hole ?

[BasqueArch]

I could be wrong, but I get the impression that Bill is not an angry, empty-headed kid, but a really sick old guy.

So, the question remains, why do you enjoy being beaten to a pulp and humiliated? You're never right. You always lose. Your lies always get exposed. How does your insane movement profit from your constant failures?

Sorry folks. Looks like the show's over for now. Tune in again for another episode of 'debunker tail-twisting' produced and directed by bill smith.


My pgggofesionel eepinion iss angry inch yurins for nogghhty beedee esem masokeestic frissson.

[Magenta]

Guys, you'd have a better chance of a rational discussion with the family pet than with BS...

BTW, can anyone identify where this happened, or what type of airliner that is?? Its looks somewhat smaller than a 767, but I could be wrong.

Thanks!


It's an MD-80 at Newark International Airport on 14 June 2000, according to this website (http://www.avweb.com/news/news/184276-1.html).

[bill smith]

Guys, you'd have a better chance of a rational discussion with the family pet than with BS...




It's an MD-80 at Newark International Airport on 14 June 2000, according to this website (http://www.avweb.com/news/news/184276-1.html).

None of the images there appear to show the damage this plane in the attached image incurred, Perhaps it was not the same incident ?
http://nomoregames.net/presentations/Madison_No_Planes_Final_August_07.ppt_files/slide0045_image034

[leftysergeant]

I stuck the response to the floor plan for the Pentagon in the wrong thread, but I will repeat it here. Stubby picked up a pile of dung dropped by a disgraced French Army officer named Pierre-Henri Bunel and ran with it. Bunel was dishonorably discharged from the French Army and has a grudge against Americans for screwing up his military career, even though it was clearly his own fault. His defense was based on a "the dog ate my homework" move. Boy ain't got his headbolts torqued right, I would say.

Bunel called himself an artillery officer and an expert in airfield fire fighting operations and then made statements proving that he was lying about that, too.

He was an intel officer.

Stubby should have known better.

That he would not have copme out to criticize and drive Bunel from the public forum, to me, is just further evidence of his lack of moral character, thus of credibility.

[bill smith]

I stuck the response to the floor plan for the Pentagon in the wrong thread, but I will repeat it here. Stubby picked up a pile of dung dropped by a disgraced French Army officer named Pierre-Henri Bunel and ran with it. Bunel was dishonorably discharged from the French Army and has a grudge against Americans for screwing up his military career, even though it was clearly his own fault. His defense was based on a "the dog ate my homework" move. Boy ain't got his headbolts torqued right, I would say.

Bunel called himself an artillery officer and an expert in airfield fire fighting operations and then made statements proving that he was lying about that, too.

He was an intel officer.

Stubby should have known better.

That he would not have copme out to criticize and drive Bunel from the public forum, to me, is just further evidence of his lack of moral character, thus of credibility.

Jeez....that Brunel guy sure gets around. Most frequently to the advantage of he oficial story if the truth be told. lol

'' Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.''
http://thetruthorthefight.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/robin-cook/

[tsig]

I'd say our unseen audience is enjoying this little show Justin. Not as much as I am though.lol

Seeing people that are not there is not a good sign Bill.

[triforcharity]

Do you think the landing gear made the initial 16' hole ?


Which one, the ones in the exterrior of the building, or in towards the interrior of the building??

If the exterrior, than no, I dont think so.

Interrior-possibly. I am not an expert, and I will be the first to admit it but I do know a thing or two about plane crashes and the proper emergency response in reguards to ARFF and Rescue operations.

The landing gear of a plane have to be able to withstand TREMENDOUS forces. Wether it be knetic, or whatever, I don't claim to know the proper term. But, I do know that landing gear HAS GOT to be able to withstand amazing forces during a landing. Could they punch out a hole in a wall? Sure, why couldn't they?? They hold up a plane when it lands, so why couldn't it severely damage a wall?? They aren't toasters, thats for sure.

[triforcharity]

Bill, so its NOT an MD-80 thata crashed in your photo?? Can you please cite what this crash was??? I looked at the site, and it sure looks exactly like the one you posted, even the same exact airline. Coincidence?? I think not.

Now, if you look at the pictures at that site, you caan see that the skin of the airplane is not torn all to heck as you might believe.

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/newgate_04.jpg

This picture gives us alot of info to look at. Look at the left side of this picture. Near the top of the pilots windows, notice it doesn't appear to be torn?? This shows that the exterrior, especially the front leading edge, is not that torn. Sure, it looks like my M-I-L got angry and took a sledgehammer to it. But, it doesn't appear to be torn. Maybe this is because it wasn't traveling at 500 MPH??

[FineWine]

Not a chance. A docusoap like this will run and run. Until it's finally over of course. Then we victorious heroic Truth seekers will be able to eat out on it all the rest of our lives.


What is heroic about telling really stupid lies?

[FineWine]

Jeez....that Brunel guy sure gets around. Most frequently to the advantage of he oficial story if the truth be told. lol

'' Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.''
http://thetruthorthefight.wordpress.com/2009/02/25/robin-cook/


Wow! Robin Cook! I guess that settles everything.

So a far-left loon who advocated unilateral nuclear disarmament by the West in the face of the massive Soviet buildup makes up stupid lies about al Qaeda. And a "truther" Useful Idiot laps it up. What else is new?

[JoeyDonuts]

Wait...WMR? As in the Wayne Madsen Report?

Wow, your credibility just shot through the roof.

[Audible Click]

<snip>Sorry folks. Looks like the show's over for now. Tune in again for another episode of 'debunker tail-twisting' produced and directed by bill smith. <snip>

In your dreams.

[beachnut]

You know one of the things I best like about that video ? It's subtitled in German. 90 million of them and they sure do know how to respect a senior military gentleman like Major-General Albert Stubbelbine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E
Stubbelbine has idiotic moronic ideas on 911. Stubbelbine apologized for McVeigh and for 19 terrorists; he failed on OKC and 911. Looks like Stubbelbine apologized for terrorist due to complete ignorance on the topic at hand. Stubbelbine can't understand 911; delusions based on failed opinions.

You repeated a lie about Robin Cook again; why do you post lies after you already learned they were lies?

[bill smith]

Which one, the ones in the exterrior of the building, or in towards the interrior of the building??

If the exterrior, than no, I dont think so.

Interrior-possibly. I am not an expert, and I will be the first to admit it but I do know a thing or two about plane crashes and the proper emergency response in reguards to ARFF and Rescue operations.

The landing gear of a plane have to be able to withstand TREMENDOUS forces. Wether it be knetic, or whatever, I don't claim to know the proper term. But, I do know that landing gear HAS GOT to be able to withstand amazing forces during a landing. Could they punch out a hole in a wall? Sure, why couldn't they?? They hold up a plane when it lands, so why couldn't it severely damage a wall?? They aren't toasters, thats for sure.

So did the eggshell nose of he plane make the initial 16' hole in the reinforced concrete exterior wall then if the landing gear did not ?

[Cuddles]

Please keep it civil and do not engage in petty bickering. Remember, attack the argument, not the arguer.

[BigAl]

So did the eggshell nose of he plane make the initial 16' hole in the reinforced concrete exterior wall then if the landing gear did not ?

Because that "eggshell" had about 100 tons of aircraft structure behind it.

[leftysergeant]

Jeez....that Brunel guy sure gets around. Most frequently to the advantage of he oficial story if the truth be told.

The only way that Bunel makes the official story look better is in that he makes twoofers look pathetic repeating his garbage. Now, can you show me that Robin Cook or the little maggot Bunel publicly made any such statement about al Qaeda being a mere "data base" before that low-born sorry excuse for a man went to the slammer?

(Too bad they still don't take Bunel's sort out and shoot them like they used to.)

[leftysergeant]

Stubbelbine has idiotic moronic ideas on 911. Stubbelbine apologized for McVeigh and for 19 terrorists; he failed on OKC and 911.

I hadn't heard about his connection with OKC.

Has he or that whackadoodle bimbo he married direct ties with Partin or Nelson? That sort of terrorists do seem to run in bunches with a lot of interlocking memberships from one movement to another.

[tfk]

No...I draw the line here- I want to see that post in which you said I confessed to a serious medical condition or I want an apology. That, or people can measure you by your response.
.

I can provide several posts where you admit to a variety of serious medical conditions if you REALLY want me to, bill.

It's not on this website, of course, and I'll have to check with the mods for a TOS violation.

But, you give the word, and I'll be happy to comply...

tk

[tfk]

So did the eggshell nose of he plane make the initial 16' hole in the reinforced concrete exterior wall then if the landing gear did not ?
.
You've had this explained to you several times. In great detail.

You were unable to understand the principles those last several times.

Please tell me what is likely to be different this iteration??

tom

[bill smith]

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I can provide several posts where you admit to a variety of serious medical conditions if you REALLY want me to, bill.

It's not on this website, of course, and I'll have to check with the mods for a TOS violation.

But, you give the word, and I'll be happy to comply...

tk

Go for it.

[bill smith]

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You've had this explained to you several times. In great detail.

You were unable to understand the principles those last several times.

Please tell me what is likely to be different this iteration??

tom

Using an eggshell as a hammerhead is generally a bad idea. If you tell me it can be done again I will still treject the notion as will anybody else who has a brain.

[BigAl]

Using an eggshell as a hammerhead is generally a bad idea. If you tell me it can be done again I will still treject the notion as will anybody else who has a brain.

It happened in a similar way at WTC1 and WTC2 and at the Empire State Building except that the plane that hit ESB was smaller and had little gas on board and ESB had real fireproofing.

[leftysergeant]

Using an eggshell as a hammerhead is generally a bad idea. If you tell me it can be done again I will still treject the notion as will anybody else who has a brain.

Using an egg shell full of buckshot works just great to break a lot of things, like sheet rock.

I even threw a condom through a glass window once.

Speed changes things a bit. As soon as that egg shell nose hit the wall, all the tons of metal, fabic and flesh in the aircraft piled up against it and kept it from bouncing off and caused it to shove its way through the wall.

[Justin39640]

So did the eggshell nose of he plane make the initial 16' hole in the reinforced concrete exterior wall then if the landing gear did not ?

the nose
the cockpit
the radar assembly and its support brackets
the frame of the aircraft
etc etc etc

the entry hole was 75 feet
only the punch out was 16

[bill smith]

Using an egg shell full of buckshot works just great to break a lot of things, like sheet rock.

I even threw a condom through a glass window once.

Speed changes things a bit. As soon as that egg shell nose hit the wall, all the tons of metal, fabic and flesh in the aircraft piled up against it and kept it from bouncing off and caused it to shove its way through the wall.

A condom hrough a glass window eh ? So the nose became filled with all manner of loose objects from the interior of the plane ? I suppose the nose must have stopped momentarily at the wall to allow all those objects to catch up with the nose ? I wonder what the rest of the plane was doing whiie the nose was stopped ?

This 9/11 physics is just wild man.lol

[BigAl]

A condom hrough a glass window eh ?
This 9/11 physics is just wild man.lol

Water jet cuts steel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sorgD9nhIQk

[leftysergeant]

A condom hrough a glass window eh ? So the nose became filled with all manner of loose objects from the interior of the plane ? I suppose the nose must have stopped momentarily at the wall to allow all those objects to catch up with the nose ? I wonder what the rest of the plane was doing whiie the nose was stopped ?

Parts of it probably kept right on moving. The main deck and the landing gear, for instance. There may have been a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way throught the holes in the wall, but it would have happened over such a short period of time that it hardly matters how much resistance it met. It acted in many ways like a modern 7.52X54R heavy ball hitting steel. The bronze and lead parts ablate a bit, but the steel core just keeps on keeping on for some distance. Hungarian yelolow tips will penetrate about an inch of steel at a hundred feet.

Just the air inside the fuselage would have added to the impact. It takes a whgile to squeeze the air out of the fuselage. To give you some idea of the significance of air pressure, try hitting yourself on the head with a partially-deflated tire. Not too impressive. Inflate it just short of bursting and hit yourself, it may as well be a rock.

[FineWine]

A condom hrough a glass window eh ? So the nose became filled with all manner of loose objects from the interior of the plane ? I suppose the nose must have stopped momentarily at the wall to allow all those objects to catch up with the nose ? I wonder what the rest of the plane was doing whiie the nose was stopped ?

This 9/11 physics is just wild man.lol


Yeah, Bill, it's good we have you around to keep these silly physicists in line. Why, they even try to sell the notion that loose paint flakes can damage a space shuttle traveling at 10,000 mph.

Paint flakes--imagine that!

Thanks for setting them straight. And the fact that you can refute these so-called experts without ever having cracked a science book in your entire life,
indeed without any sort of discernible education, is beyond all praise.

[Justin39640]

A condom hrough a glass window eh ? So the nose became filled with all manner of loose objects from the interior of the plane ? I suppose the nose must have stopped momentarily at the wall to allow all those objects to catch up with the nose ? I wonder what the rest of the plane was doing whiie the nose was stopped ?

This 9/11 physics is just wild man.lol

physics arent always cut and dry
esp when youre talking things that are very heavy and have complicated construction (the main reason why tony and heiwa fail is cause they try to simplify a infinitely complex model)

on the other hand
the world of the very tiny is even more bizarre
try reading "a brief history of time" your head will explode like in the movie Scanners lol

[Justin39640]

Parts of it probably kept right on moving. The main deck and the landing gear, for instance. There may have been a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way throught the holes in the wall, but it would have happened over such a short period of time that it hardly matters how much resistance it met. It acted in many ways like a modern 7.52X54R heavy ball hitting steel. The bronze and lead parts ablate a bit, but the steel core just keeps on keeping on for some distance. Hungarian yelolow tips will penetrate about an inch of steel at a hundred feet.

Just the air inside the fuselage would have added to the impact. It takes a whgile to squeeze the air out of the fuselage. To give you some idea of the significance of air pressure, try hitting yourself on the head with a partially-deflated tire. Not too impressive. Inflate it just short of bursting and hit yourself, it may as well be a rock.

another example: its reason why the military uses the designs they do to keep 4 lb birds out of the cockpit

[Justin39640]

Yeah, Bill, it's good we have you around to keep these silly physicists in line. Why, they even try to sell the notion that loose paint flakes can damage a space shuttle traveling at 10,000 mph.

Paint flakes--imagine that!

Thanks for setting them straight. And the fact that you can refute these so-called experts without ever having cracked a science book in your entire life,
indeed without any sort of discernible education, is beyond all praise.

what was that in space
where very tiny particles moving very fast penetrate spacecraft, spacesuits and people but do no real damage (short term thats known of) but they find the trails they leave

[funk de fino]

A condom hrough a glass window eh ? So the nose became filled with all manner of loose objects from the interior of the plane ? I suppose the nose must have stopped momentarily at the wall to allow all those objects to catch up with the nose ? I wonder what the rest of the plane was doing whiie the nose was stopped ?

This 9/11 physics is just wild man.lol

I guess by your physics it is OK to jump off tall buildings. You will just hurt the soles of your feet?

[FineWine]

I guess by your physics it is OK to jump off tall buildings. You will just hurt the soles of your feet?


You see, Heiwa is right after all. Crush-up always equals crush-down, so no possible harm can result from taking a header off a skyscraper. ;)

[tfk]

Go for it.
.
Since I have your permission, OK...

Tom

[bill smith]

Parts of it probably kept right on moving. The main deck and the landing gear, for instance. There may have been a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way throught the holes in the wall, but it would have happened over such a short period of time that it hardly matters how much resistance it met. It acted in many ways like a modern 7.52X54R heavy ball hitting steel. The bronze and lead parts ablate a bit, but the steel core just keeps on keeping on for some distance. Hungarian yelolow tips will penetrate about an inch of steel at a hundred feet.

Just the air inside the fuselage would have added to the impact. It takes a whgile to squeeze the air out of the fuselage. To give you some idea of the significance of air pressure, try hitting yourself on the head with a partially-deflated tire. Not too impressive. Inflate it just short of bursting and hit yourself, it may as well be a rock.

Parts of it kept right on moving' ?.....'..a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way through the holes in the wall' ? WHAT holes ? This is the stuff that was supposed to be MAKING the holes. I've noticed a fair bit of this insane kind of reasoning in the last week or so from the debunking side . I wonder if it's some new kind of strategy ?

[bill smith]

Parts of it probably kept right on moving. The main deck and the landing gear, for instance. There may have been a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way throught the holes in the wall, but it would have happened over such a short period of time that it hardly matters how much resistance it met. It acted in many ways like a modern 7.52X54R heavy ball hitting steel. The bronze and lead parts ablate a bit, but the steel core just keeps on keeping on for some distance. Hungarian yelolow tips will penetrate about an inch of steel at a hundred feet.

Just the air inside the fuselage would have added to the impact. It takes a whgile to squeeze the air out of the fuselage. To give you some idea of the significance of air pressure, try hitting yourself on the head with a partially-deflated tire. Not too impressive. Inflate it just short of bursting and hit yourself, it may as well be a rock.

You mentioned the air moving forward in the plane when the nose stopped momentarily ? Well that same air would have COMPRESSED into the nose in an instant and burst that 757 wide open.

[tfk]

Using an eggshell as a hammerhead is generally a bad idea. If you tell me it can be done again I will still treject the notion as will anybody else who has a brain.

.

You can "treject" anything you want. Your lack of understanding remains.

As I have explained to you several times already...

The eggshell (i.e., the thin aluminum skin) is NOT the sledge hammer.

And as BigAl explains clearly & simply in post 201 above:

"Because that "eggshell" had about 100 tons of aircraft structure behind it."

The 100 ton airplane was the sledge hammer. And a sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face.

I have presented this IDENTICAL explanation to you before. The last time, instead of an "egg shell" it was a "piece of paper", if you recall.

Is any of this penetrating your thick skull? A six year old can understand this instantly. And yet, here we are again, 6 months after the last explanation, back at square one.

Do you have the reasoning AND RETENTION capacity that is equal to, or better than, a six year old?

Tom

[BigAl]

You mentioned the air moving forward in the plane when the nose stopped momentarily ? Well that same air would have COMPRESSED into the nose in an instant and burst that 757 wide open.

To the extent that the above makes any sense (not much), the jet skin is designed to handle positive internal air pressure because at cruising altitude people need more air to breath than the atmosphere at 30,000 ft can provide.

[Grizzly Bear]

another example: its reason why the military uses the designs they do to keep 4 lb birds out of the cockpit

This highlights the essential gap that's individuals such as bill are missing... momentum. how many times do we have to teach physics to these people?

[tfk]

try reading "a brief history of time" your head will explode like in the movie Scanners lol
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"A Brief History of Time". For bill?

Pearls before swine.

Tom

[bill smith]

.

You can "treject" anything you want. Your lack of understanding remains.

As I have explained to you several times already...

The eggshell (i.e., the thin aluminum skin) is NOT the sledge hammer.

And as BigAl explains clearly & simply in post 201 above:

"Because that "eggshell" had about 100 tons of aircraft structure behind it."

The 100 ton airplane was the sledge hammer. And a sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face.

I have presented this IDENTICAL explanation to you before. The last time, instead of an "egg shell" it was a "piece of paper", if you recall.

Is any of this penetrating your thick skull? A six year old can understand this instantly. And yet, here we are again, 6 months after the last explanation, back at square one.

Do you have the reasoning AND RETENTION capacity that is equal to, or better than, a six year old?

Tom

The explanation was as crap then as it is now T. So when you say the following ' And a sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face.' are you indicating that the nose of the plane was obliterated ?

[BigAl]

The explanation was as crap then as it is now T. So when you say the following ' And a sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face.' are you indicating that the nose of the plane was obliterated ?

Most certainly. So what?

Much of the sheet aluminum is burned to an ash in any protracted fire. You can see this yourself by tossing an empty beer can in a BBQ fire.

[lapman]

Parts of it kept right on moving' ?.....'..a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way through the holes in the wall' ? WHAT holes ? This is the stuff that was supposed to be MAKING the holes. I've noticed a fair bit of this insane kind of reasoning in the last week or so from the debunking side . I wonder if it's some new kind of strategy ?
Thank you for proving that you're entire education on physics is from watching Road Runner cartoons. The nosecone would have crushed, but you have the radar and bulkhead right behind it being pushed by 100 tons of aircraft at a great velocity.

[beachnut]

Parts of it kept right on moving' ?.....'..a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way through the holes in the wall' ? WHAT holes ? This is the stuff that was supposed to be MAKING the holes. I've noticed a fair bit of this insane kind of reasoning in the last week or so from the debunking side . I wonder if it's some new kind of strategy ?
Karate uses what against hard objects. Got physics?

How fast was 77 moving? How much kinetic energy did 77 have? You need to do the work if you want to leave your delusions behind. Stubblebine can't figure out 911; what is his block and how can he be so wrong without much effort?

Why can't Stubblebine do physics? Why can't you present the amount of energy? Because you don't do the hard work to back up your moronic delusions, you just talk.

The OP author thinks the exit hole was the entry hole. Case closed. We have followers in a failed movement making major errors in logic and posting failed ideas due to lack of knowledge and shallow research. Why is the entire 911TruthLies movement void of physics? Post some kinetic energy figures and tell me why 77 can't do the physical damage at the Pentagon that is in the shape of a aircraft impact at 535 mph. The damage to the Pentagon is exactly what a 757 at 535 mph would do. Failure is Stubblebine and your efforts to expose your lack of knowledge in physics and crash sciences.

[FineWine]

Parts of it kept right on moving' ?.....'..a bit of delay before the piling-up material could all make its way through the holes in the wall' ? WHAT holes ? This is the stuff that was supposed to be MAKING the holes. I've noticed a fair bit of this insane kind of reasoning in the last week or so from the debunking side . I wonder if it's some new kind of strategy ?



No, Bill, you haven't noticed any insane reasoning from the good guys. All the insanity is on your side.

[tfk]

The explanation was as crap then as it is now T. So when you say the following ' And a sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face.' are you indicating that the nose of the plane was obliterated ?
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You cannot be this stupid. A SIX YEAR OLD, bill. A six year old could understand this.

Here is a generally applicable rule that you cannot seem to comprehend...

When I say "A sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face" ...

... I mean ...

"A sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face."

It is REALLY just that simple.

Do you ENJOY the humiliation?

tk

[triforcharity]

The explanation was as crap then as it is now T. So when you say the following ' And a sledge hammer works PERFECTLY if it has a piece of eggshell stuck to the hammer face.' are you indicating that the nose of the plane was obliterated ?

I would suspect so. Some may have survived, but not intact.

Finally, some light at the end of the tunnel. Too bad were seeing that light through a pin hole in the concrete wall you put up.

[TruthersLie]

No guys.
he is now shifting back to the "nose in/nose out" no planer bs.

cuz if the nose was destroyed, it wouldn't look like the nose cone no the no planer vids.
(which are ********, badly done, low quality videos).

Poor bill. Look up anthony lawson's vids. He completely owns da twoof no brainer... sorry no planers.

try again bill.