Columbine Shooting CT

[INRM]

I was watching this video on youtube which talked about the Columbine shooting and suggested that there were more than just two shooters. The report does have a lot of names redacted and stuff.

Which is kind of interesting. At least one case there was a redaction error and a guy named Morris was listed.

Now when the video pertained to the written report it was pretty interesting, however the final conclusion seemed totally ridiculous...


Anybody heard about this?

[Arus808]

it would help if you linked to this source where you are pulling these claims from

[Checkmite]

One would expect a lot of names to be redacted; it was a high school, most of the people involved were minors. If there were other minors, for instance, that "knew about" or participated in the attack but were never charged, their names would have to be redacted by law.

[INRM]

Checkmite,

But some of the redacted names were described as carrying out the shooting it would seem

[Checkmite]

Checkmite,

But some of the redacted names were described as carrying out the shooting it would seem

Again - if they weren't charged, and they're minors, their names have to be redacted by law.

I'm interested, though; I'd like to see these reports for myself, so I have a bit more context to work with. Where is one supposed to be able to obtain them?

[fezzic]

The two shooters had friends. Supposedly, I read I think at the sheriff's website on the investigation, one of the shooters had taken off a jacket or coat which changed his appearance or something like that. Given the appearance of someone who might have been in a trench coat then seeing another someone who was not in one, it would not be unreasonable for some to think those were two different people -- obviously both were armed. People in fear of their lives probably won't look for fine details.

The natural suspicion would fall on the friends/associates of the two shooters for this possible "third shooter" that witnesses reported and the possibility would have to be investigated.

[jhunter1163]

it would help if you linked to this source where you are pulling these claims from

I for one don't want a link to INRM's nether regions.

[SmartyPants]

Dave Cullen wrote a pretty good book about Columbine. In fact, it's the authoritative account. I recommend it.

As has been pointed out, there are several factors as to why students may have believed there was more than two shooters. Not the least of which is the shedding of certain types of clothing (i.e. the black trench coats) throughout the rampage, resulting in even more confusion (confusion that no doubt affected the veracity of genuine eyewitness claims) as to how many shooters there were.

[eromitlab]

I found this stuff on whatreallyhappened a few months ago. It was just a list of the statements that supposedly contradicted Harris and Klebold being the two shooters, not a video, though. Found it through someone on reddit who declared that it meant cops were shooting kids and that it screamed of government ops... through the looking glass of the person that posted it, everything does.

[Robster, FCD]

A friend of mine who believes a great number of conspiracies talked about how he thought there was somebody at the school that the government wanted to get rid of, and that when it went bad, they had to pin a massacre on a couple kids.

:alien011:

[Kestrel]

Dave Cullen wrote a pretty good book about Columbine. In fact, it's the authoritative account. I recommend it.

As has been pointed out, there are several factors as to why students may have believed there was more than two shooters. Not the least of which is the shedding of certain types of clothing (i.e. the black trench coats) throughout the rampage, resulting in even more confusion (confusion that no doubt affected the veracity of genuine eyewitness claims) as to how many shooters there were.

As during any such event, there was massive confusion about what was going on. For example, there were early reports of a sniper on the roof of the school. It turned out to be a maintenance worker who just happened to be up there. Most of these rumors were reported by the media.

[fezzic]

The Trench Coat Mafia which was the group that the two shooters belonged to was investigated for participation or complicity. I understand that there were quite a few who made up that group. Pretty much all of those investigated were generally cooperative, even undergoing repeat interviews to clear up inconsistencies in their recollection, allowing investigators access, with permission, to their computers. Only in a few instances were warrants necessary.

It would not be surprising that their names would be redacted in any public report due to privacy since they weren't charged with any crime.

[Checkmite]

A friend of mine who believes a great number of conspiracies talked about how he thought there was somebody at the school that the government wanted to get rid of, and that when it went bad, they had to pin a massacre on a couple kids.



*facepalms*

Of course, because at that point in time, the government's greatest threat was a 14-year-old girl in Nowhere, Colorado...

[Checkmite]

The Trench Coat Mafia which was the group that the two shooters belonged to was investigated for participation or complicity. I understand that there were quite a few who made up that group. Pretty much all of those investigated were generally cooperative, even undergoing repeat interviews to clear up inconsistencies in their recollection, allowing investigators access, with permission, to their computers. Only in a few instances were warrants necessary.


The cops likely investigated such people, but it turned out the shooters weren't actually a part of that "Trenchcoat Mafia" clique. Or, well, they were, but said clique consisted entirely of the two of them and no one else.* Nor were they excessively bullied, for that matter.

As to these odd conspiracy theories; the two killers were actually shown on school security camera footage doing their deed, so it wouldn't have been particularly difficult for the secret New World Order to "pin" the murders on them.

(Edited to add clarification)

[JerryGarcia]

Cullen also points out that Klebold & Harris never implicated anyone else in any of their extensive home videos or journals.

He feels that there is no merit to any of the conspiracy theories.

It is a terrific, albeit heartbreaking, book. Check your public library.

[SmartyPants]

The cops likely investigated such people, but it turned out the shooters weren't actually a part of that "Trenchcoat Mafia" clique. Or, well, they were, but said clique consisted entirely of the two of them and no one else.* Nor were they excessively bullied, for that matter.

As to these odd conspiracy theories; the two killers were actually shown on school security camera footage doing their deed, so it wouldn't have been particularly difficult for the secret New World Order to "pin" the murders on them.

(Edited to add clarification)

Not that the "Trenchcoat Mafia" was much of a clique anyway. And, according to Cullen, it was Harris and, to a lesser extent, Klebold who actually did the bullying. Any of the bullying they recieved was minimal and typical of what most of us went through during adolescence.

[Robster, FCD]

*facepalms*

Of course, because at that point in time, the government's greatest threat was a 14-year-old girl in Nowhere, Colorado...

Most of the time, I'll discuss his CT leanings with him, try to debunk them. This time I just shook my head and let the conversation move on to some other topic.