How many members are in the "Truth" movement?

[Luntoc]

I've always wondered that. I'd figure there would quite a few thousand. I doubt its in the millions but given the the organizations like A&E for 911 truth and others I would think they would be alot of them. Does anyone know of a round number or a specific one? I was just wondering how many people are actually in the movement.

[Josarhus]

The Danish official truth homepage has 316 members at the moment, including Niels Harrit.

Added:

Danish total population first quarter 2009: 5515287

[sinclairmcevoy]

Too many?

[newton3376]

Too many?

Damn....you beat me to it....

[Dog Town]

Blah, blah <snip>.

Instead of starting more threads, shouldn't you be busy, with your "book" due on shelves by November?

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[Thunder]

I've always wondered that. I'd figure there would quite a few thousand. I doubt its in the millions but given the the organizations like A&E for 911 truth and others I would think they would be alot of them. Does anyone know of a round number or a specific one? I was just wondering how many people are actually in the movement.

i swear..isn't there an identical topic here?

[Bobert]

Instead of starting more threads, shouldn't you be busy, with your "book" due on shelves by November?

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My first thought was considering he has/is writing a book about the truth movement you would think he would have an idea about this question.

[Dumb All Over]

Hi Luntoc,

I hope you are aware by now that there are uncertainties regarding your honesty. Would you mind attending to some of the questions being raised in the thread you started yesterday about the title of your new book?

Thanks,
DAO

[Bobert]

Luntoc (http://forums.randi.org/member.php?u=33201),
Sorry bud but enough people are already starting to see through you that you might as well just give up whatever game it is your playing.
I know that JREF SINGLE HANDEDLY stands in the way of the truth movement but come on hate the game not the player...

[T.A.M.]

I suspect collecting for a survey...that is the pattern.

Sock 100%. I am nearly sure of it.

TAM:)

[Thunder]

based on the number of folks who actually show up to truther events around the USA and Canada, one could argue that the number of active truthers is maybe.....a few thousand.

[Brainster]

Webster Tarpley, when he was pushing an alliance between the Troofers and the Peace Movement, claimed that there were at best about 25,000 9-11 "activists". That may be wrong, but I don't think it's wrong by an order of magnitude.

[Thunder]

Webster Tarpley, when he was pushing an alliance between the Troofers and the Peace Movement, claimed that there were at best about 25,000 9-11 "activists". That may be wrong, but I don't think it's wrong by an order of magnitude.

he is wrong by 10% I believe there are about 2,500 active truthers in the USA.

[eromitlab]

116,184

That's the exact number. I'm keeping track for a nW- uh, research paper on paranoid human behaviour. Yeah, that's the ticket. :whistling

[David Rothscum]

That depends upon how you look at it. You could look at how many people are members of the Democratic party to determine how many Democrats there are, or you could look at the number of people who voted for a Democrat during the last election. It's the same with the 9/11 Truth movement. Let's say we call everyone who does not believe that Al Qaeda carried out the attacks a member of the truth movement. In that case, 54% of people around the planet are truthers:
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/09/10/int039l-poll-finds-no-consensus-911-culprit.html
A new international poll released Wednesday found 46 percent of respondents believed al-Qaeda was behind the Sept. 11, 2001attacks on the United States, while 15 percent blamed the United States government and 7 percent Israel.
Because the Truth movement is so decentralized and lacks a top down leadership and a strict definition, you could come up with numbers ranging from thousands, to hundreds of millions of people.

[Dave Rogers]

Let's say we call everyone who does not believe that Al Qaeda carried out the attacks a member of the truth movement. In that case, 54% of people around the planet are truthers:

Let's say we call a dog's tail a leg. How many legs does the dog have?

What people actually believe and act upon, and which box they tick in order to get on to the next question and make the annoying pollster go away sooner, are rather different things.

Dave

[EvilBiker]

116,184

That's the exact number. I'm keeping track for a nW- uh, research paper on paranoid human behaviour. Yeah, that's the ticket. :whistling


You forgot to take the Sock DrawerTM into account.

[Alt+F4]

Since the OP mentions "movement" I'd take that to mean people that are active, doing something other than sitting behind their computer.

Let's take NYC for example, the city most effected by 9/11. Of a population of 8 million (18 million if you consider the New York City Metropolitan Area) I'd say there about 20 active "truthers" if that.

Today on Staten Island Engine 24 Ladder 5 of the FDNY is holding a 5k run to honors members of the fire house killed in the line of duty (including 11 on 9/11). Afterwards there is a large barbeque. All money raised is being donated to firefighter charities. The event is being covered by the local media.

I guarantee you that even those 20 "truth activists" won't be there with their "inside job" signs. WeAreChange won't be there sticking a video camera in anyone's face. Why? Because deep down even those 20 don't really believe in a 9/11 conspiracy theory and don't want to be called on their nonsense by those who were there.

So basically, the "truth movement" doesn't exist in NYC.

[T.A.M.]

That depends upon how you look at it. You could look at how many people are members of the Democratic party to determine how many Democrats there are, or you could look at the number of people who voted for a Democrat during the last election. It's the same with the 9/11 Truth movement. Let's say we call everyone who does not believe that Al Qaeda carried out the attacks a member of the truth movement. In that case, 54% of people around the planet are truthers:

Because the Truth movement is so decentralized and lacks a top down leadership and a strict definition, you could come up with numbers ranging from thousands, to hundreds of millions of people.

That poll is a year old. It also is not world encompassing, but rather looks at 17 nations. There were a fair few Middle east countries in that poll that skewed the results in terms of whether Al-Qaeda was to blame or not. Of course I doubt you have read the poll, but rather simply pulled this little hit piece out of your behind to try and make a point.
Edited for rule 10. Do not swear in your posts, and do not try to avoid the autocensor.

This article is a little better. It has links to the full poll, and an image/graph displaying the countries, and who they blamed...

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/international_security_bt/535.php

Since 9/11 truthers, almost exclusively believe the USG was behind the attacks, your poll indicates truthers make up 15% of those polled.



TAM:)

[deep]

Because the Truth movement is so decentralized and lacks a top down leadership and a strict definition, you could come up with numbers ranging from thousands, to hundreds of millions of people.


You're right - without a very clear definition of "truther", it's tough to even take a guess.

[Bluesky]

I had another look at the ae911truth web site the other day.

I went through the petition list and counted 120 architects, and 80 structural/civil engineers... and a bunch of certified lawn mower engineers and the like. Has anyone been through their list recently?

Its good to know that the ae911tm have the same level of honesty about their membership as every other part of their argument.

[WUBRINY63]

The member number is determined by debunkers. Anyone who doesn't believe exactly what the debunker believes is a twoofer. The people who say nothing about 9/11 at all and don't have a website stating 9/11 was an inside job are assumed by debunkers to not be twoofers.

Now as far as this place goes, anyone who doesn't come here and bend over in the assumed sycophant position is also a twoofer. Count them up and feel all warm and gushy inside. That's what this place is for..

[triforcharity]

Wubby,

There arae people here that have different beliefs, and we don't call them truthers.

I disagree with some things that are said here, but they are usually minor. Ie: 9/11 being a national holiday, but I also understand why its not. its called critical thinking.

Its the idiots who come here and sport these dirt-dumb ideas like "fire can't hurt steel" and other dumb assertations like that that garner someone the "truther" name.

Much like yourself.

[defaultdotxbe]

The people who say nothing about 9/11 at all and don't have a website stating 9/11 was an inside job are assumed by debunkers to not be twoofers.

considering that truthers tend to self-identify as activists doesnt not saying anything mean they cant be truthers?

i mean, by definition you cant have a closet activist, right?

[WUBRINY63]

Wubby,

There arae people here that have different beliefs, and we don't call them truthers.

I disagree with some things that are said here, but they are usually minor. Ie: 9/11 being a national holiday, but I also understand why its not. its called critical thinking.

Its the idiots who come here and sport these dirt-dumb ideas like "fire can't hurt steel" and other dumb assertations like that that garner someone the "truther" name.

Much like yourself.

So? Why am I a twoofer? Exactly.

[dtugg]

So? Why am I a twoofer? Exactly.

Because, for example, you compare skyscrapers to bbq grills.

[WUBRINY63]

considering that truthers tend to self-identify as activists doesnt not saying anything mean they cant be truthers?

i mean, by definition you cant have a closet activist, right?

I'm really trying to understand your question but its hurting my head. It's late for me, I'm sorry. "doesnt not saying.."?

I think that yes there are many closet activist. But more than that there are people who just don't care at all and don't know anything about it. You can't declare them to be on your side just because they have said nothing.

[WUBRINY63]

Because, for example, you compare skyscrapers to bbq grills.

Where?

[TexasJack]

I'm really trying to understand your question but its hurting my head. It's late for me, I'm sorry. "doesnt not saying.."?

I think that yes there are many closet activist. But more than that there are people who just don't care at all and don't know anything about it. You can't declare them to be on your side just because they have said nothing.

And what have you done, nothing? So you don't care about 911, typical.

[dtugg]

Where?

In this forum.

[UNLoVedRebel]

This topic has been discussed several times and the thread should be closed.

For those who've missed it.

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[Newtons Bit]

I've always wondered that. I'd figure there would quite a few thousand. I doubt its in the millions but given the the organizations like A&E for 911 truth and others I would think they would be alot of them. Does anyone know of a round number or a specific one? I was just wondering how many people are actually in the movement.

There's only one, everyone else is on internet forums is a sock puppet. The three guys that show up to protests now and then are all paid actors who think it is part of a psychological experiment.

It's a conspiracy man!

He even pretends to be a no-planer on some forums and a planer on another just to keep people guessing. Clever dude!

[Dave Rogers]

So? Why am I a twoofer? Exactly.

Because you choose to ridicule people who have carefully considered the evidence and concluded that there is nothing to suggest US government complicity in the 9/11 attacks. Since you tend to go no further than this, and in particular avoid suggesting any specific way in which you think the US government might plausibly have been complicit, this places you in the well-known group of truthers commonly referred to as the "no-claimers", perhaps the most useless group of activists ever known, since they appear honestly to believe that they can convince people to agree with an unstated position by jeering at them for failing to refute a hypothesis that doesn't actually exist.

Dave

[Longfellow]

Taking into consideration that the proponents of the 'truth movement' who have been banned here see the need to create multiple sock-puppets in order to continue posting their drivel I would say not too many people at all are in the 'truth movement'.

In fact, I would wager that the furries (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom) have them beat by a long shot.

[fuelair]

I've always wondered that. I'd figure there would quite a few thousand. I doubt its in the millions but given the the organizations like A&E for 911 truth and others I would think they would be alot of them. Does anyone know of a round number or a specific one? I was just wondering how many people are actually in the movement.Depends on how much they ate, and what it was they ate. I am sure the TM eats a lot of members.

[Bluesky]

he is wrong by 10% I believe there are about 2,500 active truthers in the USA.

I don't believe that half the people that have signed the ae911truth petition are active truthers. I would expect it would be less than 10% ie a worldwide total of 510.... tops!

[Pardalis]

If you subtract all of PDoh's sockpuppets, how many are left?

[Thunder]

Truthers make up about .001% of any given population.

now, maybe 25% of the USA may answer "yes" to telephone polls as to whether they have questions about 9-11 or if they entertain the idea that there was some government involvement, but when it comes down to active participants in protests, internet forums, etc..they are still around .001%..of the USA and all other nations.

so in the USA, they have about 3,000 active members.

Israel, which has 7 million people, has about 70 truthers.

Ireland, with 4 million people, has about 40 truthers.

New York City, with 8.5 million people, usually has around 85 people at most Truther events. So the .001% figure is quite accurate.

[deep]

Define "truther", please.

[Thunder]

Define "truther", please.

9-11 Truther= an individual who believes in one of several 9-11 conspiracy theories and actively advocates for these beliefs in some fashion, such as in internet forums, public protests, newspaper Op/Eds, etc.

someone who answers "yes" to a random dinnertime telephone poll, asking them if they believe that the US government was involved or may have been involved in the 9-11 attacks, is NOT a truther.

similarly, one is not a 9-11 Debunker simply because they believe that Al-Qaeda is responsible for 9-11 and 9-11 CTists are wrong. a true Debunker actively works to debunk 9-11 conspiracy theories on the web, in papers, tv interviews, etc.

[defaultdotxbe]

I'm really trying to understand your question but its hurting my head. It's late for me, I'm sorry. "doesnt not saying.."?

I think that yes there are many closet activist. But more than that there are people who just don't care at all and don't know anything about it. You can't declare them to be on your side just because they have said nothing.
sorry, i can see how its confusing

lets try a substitution, instead of "not saying anything" lets substitute "that"

the question then becomes "doesnt that mean they cant be truthers" does that make more sense?

and i have to disagree on closet activists
Activist –noun 1. an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, esp. a political cause.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activist

how can one be an ACTivist if they dont ACT?


of course this assumes trutherism is a form of activism, but as deep points out trutherism is ill defined, although i suspect this is by design so they can artifically inflate their numbers while simultaneously claim not to be part of a fringe group

although i can honestly say if i was a truther id be an activist

[Scott Sommers]

It depends what you mean by "in the Truth Movement". If you mean people who believe that some Bush Administration officials did something on September 11, 2001, there maybe thousands. Who knows? If you mean people who would become involved in a political action, such as a demonstration, there are only a few dozen.

Recent demonstrations in New York like NYCCAN or the rally for Septmber 11 that took place this year attracted only a few dozen people. It is very hard for me to estimate the exact number involved. The videos released from these events are quite confusing and appear edited to make the events look as large as possible. I have counted about 100 people, but I can not identify more than 60 as members of the groups that make up those involved. The same names appear over and over as participants at their various events. While it seems the majority live in the NY area, some came from very far away, including Ohio.

I do not believe there are more than 70 people who are members of 911 Truth groups in the eastern USA.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

9-11 Truther= an individual who believes in one of several 9-11 conspiracy theories and actively advocates for these beliefs in some fashion, such as in internet forums, public protests, newspaper Op/Eds, etc.

someone who answers "yes" to a random dinnertime telephone poll, asking them if they believe that the US government was involved or may have been involved in the 9-11 attacks, is NOT a truther.

similarly, one is not a 9-11 Debunker simply because they believe that Al-Qaeda is responsible for 9-11 and 9-11 CTists are wrong. a true Debunker actively works to debunk 9-11 conspiracy theories on the web, in papers, tv interviews, etc.

Don't forget:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn3_nsMYq2M

and....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xjbqgWkEXs

[defaultdotxbe]

Don't forget:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn3_nsMYq2M

and....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xjbqgWkEXs
i have to disagree with both videos, the first asserts that all truthers are leftist (and therefore communist) which is untrue, there are many right-wing truthers as well

the second asserts they are both nazi and communist, which is rather silly IMO as one tenant of nazism is an opposition to communism, it seems to base this on an assumption that they are all leftist, with a second assumption that they are also all anti-semites, neither of which is true

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

i have to disagree with both videos, the first asserts that all truthers are leftist (and therefore communist) which is untrue, there are many right-wing truthers as well

the second asserts they are both nazi and communist, which is rather silly IMO as one tenant of nazism is an opposition to communism, it seems to base this on an assumption that they are all leftist, with a second assumption that they are also all anti-semites, neither of which is true

Those videos cover both aspects of the Truthers and their beliefs.

DEAL WITH IT!