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Josarhus
9th July 2009, 01:02 PM
Niels Harrit’s latest interview done today 7/9 on Russia Today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.russiatoday.com/Politics/2009-07-09/Did_nano-thermite_take_down_the_WTC.html

He seems to have moved away from seeing nano thermite as the stuff that brought down the three WTC buildings, and now thinks that besides the hundreds of tons of nano thremite, that also hundreds of tons of conventional explosives were used.

A few quotes:

Niels Harrit: “We do not know if the thermite that we have found is the same thermite which has been used for melting the beams. It’s very, very possible that different varieties were used, and I personally am certain that conventional explosives were used too, in abundance.”

Russia Today: “When you say “in abundance,” how much do you mean?”

Niels Harrit: “Tons! Hundreds of tons! Many, many, many tons!”


Within the last few weeks Niels Harrit again put forward the claim (on the Danish engineers forum) that bomb sniffing dogs was removed from WTC, two weeks before 9/11. This seems do have been done so that he could change his nano story, to include conventional explosives.

What’s new to me in this interview, besides the 100 of tons of conventional explosives, is the following claim:

Niels Harrit: “And actually, when there is a fire in the United States, which is suspicious, or which is violent, or which is unexpected, according to some regulation, you should look for thermite. Because you can use it for arson; and if you want to burn your house, this is the way to do it. You cook up a thermite reaction, and you go on vacation, and you can trigger it with your cell phone at a long distance, if you wish. So, this is routine for the FBI to look for remains of thermite. This they do very frequently actually. But they didn’t do it this time.”

Does anybody have any comments on this?

Audible Click
9th July 2009, 01:29 PM
He's completely off the rails.

sylvan8798
9th July 2009, 01:34 PM
Originally Posted by Russia Today interview 7/9 2009
Niels Harrit: “And actually, when there is a fire in the United States, which is suspicious, or which is violent, or which is unexpected, according to some regulation, you should look for thermite. Because you can use it for arson; and if you want to burn your house, this is the way to do it. You cook up a thermite reaction, and you go on vacation, and you can trigger it with your cell phone at a long distance, if you wish. So, this is routine for the FBI to look for remains of thermite. This they do very frequently actually. But they didn’t do it this time.”


Does anybody have any comments on this?

Gee, and I was just going to use some old paint and tarps...Does the FBI regularly investigate house fire arsons? Are there some fires which are not violent? Are fires in general "expected"? Can this guy get any further out there?

dtugg
9th July 2009, 01:39 PM
Does anybody have any comments on this?

He's insane. Hundreds of tons of explosives in addition to all the superdupernanotherm*te? :rolleyes: And this psycho expects normal people to take him seriously?

BigAl
9th July 2009, 01:40 PM
Niels Harrit’s latest interview done today 7/9 on Russia Today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0&feature=player_embedded


Does anybody have any comments on this?

The estimates 1,000 pounds of explosive used in the 1993 bombing was heard by everyone all over the 24 acre WTC complex.

Nobody heard anything like that on 9/11/2001.

FineWine
9th July 2009, 01:41 PM
Niels Harrit’s latest interview done today 7/9 on Russia Today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.russiatoday.com/Politics/2009-07-09/Did_nano-thermite_take_down_the_WTC.html

He seems to have moved away from seeing nano thermite as the stuff that brought down the three WTC buildings, and now thinks that besides the hundreds of tons of nano thremite, that also hundreds of tons of conventional explosives were used.

A few quotes:



Within the last few weeks Niels Harrit again put forward the claim (on the Danish engineers forum) that bomb sniffing dogs was removed from WTC, two weeks before 9/11. This seems do have been done so that he could change his nano story, to include conventional explosives.

What’s new to me in this interview, besides the 100 of tons of conventional explosives, is the following claim:



Does anybody have any comments on this?


I wanted to be the first to link to the relevant article on the incomparable Mike Williams's site:

http://911myths.com/html/wtc_bomb_sniffing_dogs.html

T.A.M.
9th July 2009, 01:43 PM
His comments are in keeping with Jones, who when faced with the REAL SCIENCE, and the prospect of hundreds of layers of the red/grey chips needed to raise the heat of the columns sufficiently, in a classic truther move, uprooted the goal posts and stated that the thermite (which they have been promoting as the key component used in the CD of the towers) was merely used in "fuses" for traditional explosives in the CD of the towers.

TAM:)

bio
9th July 2009, 01:47 PM
I do not understand, where is your logic point of view.
You just want to bash somehow Dr. Harrit - so you make up some cheap ad hominem personal attacks. This is the dirty face of you jref-"debunkers".

Josarhus
9th July 2009, 01:49 PM
The estimates 1,000 pounds of explosive used in the 1993 bombing was heard by everyone all over the 24 acre WTC complex.

Nobody heard anything like that on 9/11/2001.

I think Niels Harrit and his friends knows, that it would be some what of a loud bang with that much explosive, which is why they are so unclear when it comes to the nano thermite, was it used as explosive or cutting/melting device?!?

Now with his new claim, that also hundreds of tons of conventional explosives being involved, it simply gets good old fashion silly.

KDLarsen
9th July 2009, 01:55 PM
Sigh, I almost feel like sticking "Udvalgene vedrørende Videnskabelig Uredelighed"* on him. The paper alone should be enough to prompt some heavy criticism, let alone him going out and using his credentials to promote this crap.

If they could go after Bjørn Lomborg, they sure as hell should get up Harrits tail pipe.

* Danish Committees on Scientific Dishonesty (http://en.fi.dk/councils-commissions/the-danish-committees-on-scientific-dishonesty)

UNLoVedRebel
9th July 2009, 01:59 PM
So this is what happened on 9/11. Thanks Neil

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T.A.M.
9th July 2009, 02:03 PM
I do not understand, where is your logic point of view.
You just want to bash somehow Dr. Harrit - so you make up some cheap ad hominem personal attacks. This is the dirty face of you jref-"debunkers".

1. Some how? He gives lots of reason to bash him, I do not need to dig or hunt for it.
2. No personal attacks, he is keeping in line with the Woo...that is all.
3. If revealing the ridiculousness of the pseudoscience put forth by these "researchers" these "scientists" is the "dirty face", then hey call me filthy face.

TAM:)

Josarhus
9th July 2009, 02:06 PM
So this is what happened on 9/11. Thanks Neil


Well, they might as well stick to the nuclear device in the basement of WTC theory.

Josarhus
9th July 2009, 02:07 PM
I do not understand, where is your logic point of view.
You just want to bash somehow Dr. Harrit - so you make up some cheap ad hominem personal attacks. This is the dirty face of you jref-"debunkers".

I'm a tax payer in Denmark, and the Danish universities are all public funded. In other words I'm paying his salary. I think it is my obligation, as a taxpayer, to make sure the public knows who and what they are funding. He is using both his university title and the Copenhagen University logo in his truth movement work.

In my mind he is absolutely free to think, say and publish anything he wants, but I am also complete free to disagree with him and to oppose his work, as done on this forum.

ktesibios
9th July 2009, 02:11 PM
His comments are in keeping with Jones, who when faced with the REAL SCIENCE, and the prospect of hundreds of layers of the red/grey chips needed to raise the heat of the columns sufficiently, in a classic truther move, uprooted the goal posts and stated that the thermite (which they have been promoting as the key component used in the CD of the towers) was merely used in "fuses" for traditional explosives in the CD of the towers.

TAM:)

Which really doesn't make any sense. If he means "fuse" in the "light the blue touch paper and run like Hell" sense, waterproof fuse with controlled and predictable burning rates has been available for decades. I can remember buying the stuff at a magic shop on Frankford Ave. in Philly back in the '70s, for use in making smoke bombs (the ingredients for which were also available at the same shop). Cooking up your own homebrew fuse with sooper-sekrit NWO nano-thermite is foolish, unnecessary and a recipe for failure.

If he means it in the sense of "detonator", he forgets that blasters don't set off high explosives by means of heat- instead, a small amount of a sensitive explosive is used (sometimes in conjunction with a charge of a less-sensitive but more powerful explosive as an "amplifier") to produce a shock wave which detonates the main charge.

Insensitivity to heat is a virtue in a modern high explosive, be it civilian or military, which the explosives industry has worked hard to build into their products.

Trying to make and use a blasting cap out of themite would most likely produce an explosive charge ruined by melting or chemical decomposition.

INRM
9th July 2009, 03:33 PM
What's the point of this "nano thermite" if conventional explosives are used?

This is ridiculous

Justin39640
9th July 2009, 03:39 PM
What's the point of this "nano thermite" if conventional explosives are used?

This is ridiculous

cause its all a fantasy
actually he said it in an interview right after the paper was released
so i think this was his assumption the whole time

8_tf25lx_3o

ETA: this video was posted april 10th

GlennB
9th July 2009, 03:39 PM
Barking mad.

sylvan8798
9th July 2009, 03:54 PM
I do not understand, where is your logic point of view.
You just want to bash somehow Dr. Harrit - so you make up some cheap ad hominem personal attacks. This is the dirty face of you jref-"debunkers".

My late mother used to say "never argue with small children or the insane." Since Mr. Harrit isn't posting to this thread to defend his nutty ideas, other posters are left to determine whether to argue with his insanity, or just point it out.

Justin39640
9th July 2009, 03:59 PM
as for the dogs
someone should email ole niels this link about Sirius
the only animal to die in the attacks

Sirius received full honors (he was a PA police dog)
got the american flag when they took him out of the pit and work stopped

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/24/attack/main507066.shtml

very sad

T.A.M.
9th July 2009, 03:59 PM
The "Thermite as Fuse" theory is ridiculous, yes, absolutely. This is where Jones and the rest let their true colors show. This is where it becomes so clear that they had to move the goal posts, but in desperation did so in a way that revealed the fraud. They knew that the # of layers of these so called "Thermite Chips" (which I believe are mere paint), would be so numerous as to render them used in this fashion silly (a hundred layers I believe was calculated), so they had to come up with a way, an explanation, for the use of thermite, rather then admit that the thermite chips were complete crap...so they came up with the "fuses".

When I read it in Greening's post I laughed very hard...I knew the jig was up for them at that moment.

TAM:)

Brainster
9th July 2009, 04:09 PM
The "Thermite as Fuse" theory is ridiculous, yes, absolutely. This is where Jones and the rest let their true colors show. This is where it becomes so clear that they had to move the goal posts, but in desperation did so in a way that revealed the fraud. They knew that the # of layers of these so called "Thermite Chips" (which I believe are mere paint), would be so numerous as to render them used in this fashion silly (a hundred layers I believe was calculated), so they had to come up with a way, an explanation, for the use of thermite, rather then admit that the thermite chips were complete crap...so they came up with the "fuses".

When I read it in Greening's post I laughed very hard...I knew the jig was up for them at that moment.

TAM:)

Not to mention that the thermite was supposed to get them around the absence of explosions audible from outside the buildings. Now they're back to "Hush-A-Boom".

Justin39640
9th July 2009, 04:15 PM
Not to mention that the thermite was supposed to get them around the absence of explosions audible from outside the buildings. Now they're back to "Hush-A-Boom".

the conventional explosives were painted with thermite

dont you know thermite paint is also and auditory silencer? tee hee :D

jhunter1163
9th July 2009, 06:26 PM
With hundreds of tons of explosives and hundreds of tons of thermite, it's amazing there was any room left for the employees.

~enigma~
9th July 2009, 06:31 PM
I do not understand, where is your logic point of view.
You just want to bash somehow Dr. Harrit - so you make up some cheap ad hominem personal attacks. This is the dirty face of you jref-"debunkers".
TAM didn't make an ad hom but I will (since he isn't a member here), Harrit is a moron and nobody with brains should listen to the cockroach.

cyclonic
9th July 2009, 06:44 PM
I do not understand, where is your logic point of view.
You just want to bash somehow Dr. Harrit - so you make up some cheap ad hominem personal attacks. This is the dirty face of you jref-"debunkers".

What do you think we should do, whistle dixie?
can't you even suspect he is an idiot?

THINK MAN, look at what he is claiming!

Juniversal
9th July 2009, 06:57 PM
The fact Harrit still uses the "dogs were removed" falsehood is proof enough to me (not that I needed any more) that he's in it fully for his 15 minutes of fame rather then actually exposing any hidden "Truth". He should be ashamed of himself.

Bobert
9th July 2009, 07:26 PM
Ya but since Larry owned the complex couldnt he have had a bunch of JOOOOOOOS sneak in the explosives?

KJC
9th July 2009, 08:01 PM
God, that's funny.

Cameramen close enough to the tower to have to run for their lives and their cameras picked up no booms from these "hundreds of tons of explosives".

Pathetic lies. How this guy gets 5-starred to death on YouTube is beyond me..

cyclonic
9th July 2009, 08:10 PM
God, that's funny.

Cameramen close enough to the tower to have to run for their lives and their cameras picked up no booms from these "hundreds of tons of explosives".

Pathetic lies. How this guy gets 5-starred to death on YouTube is beyond me..

Because he tells the twoofers what they want to hear.

Bad_Doggie
10th July 2009, 01:03 AM
When I read it in Greening's post I laughed very hard...I knew the jig was up for them at that moment.

TAM:)

TAM do you have a link to this post?

Thanks

Woof!

Bad_Doggie
10th July 2009, 01:07 AM
With hundreds of tons of explosives and hundreds of tons of thermite, it's amazing there was any room left for the employees.

Plus the Thermate, and super mega nano Thermite.

May-be the Joos didn't stay at home. There was just no space left to fit them all in!

Woof!

Pardalis
10th July 2009, 01:17 AM
Boy, that RussiaToday site seems to be all about America, and all about insane conspiracy theories about it.

Is this the usual rubbish Russians get in their news?

alienentity
10th July 2009, 01:31 AM
TAM do you have a link to this post?

Thanks

Woof!

Here's one:

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/active-thermitic-material-in-wtc-dust-t150.html

T.A.M.
10th July 2009, 05:15 AM
TAM do you have a link to this post?

Thanks

Woof!

It is somewhat down into this page,

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/active-thermitic-material-in-wtc-dust-t150-30.html


've already done a calculation, (see my post from a few days ago), of how much heat energy a layer of nano-thermite (such as the one allegedly found by Jones et al) could generate. And, by the way, you have not commented on this calculation as you said you would. Nevertheless, my conclusion was that Jones' chips would do no more than slightly warm a WTC column!

So when I bounced my calculations and conclusions off Jones et al, all he could come up with was the suggestion that there were probably other explosives used in the WTC and the nanothermite chips were maybe just fuses!

Thus, after all the fuss about high-tech nano-thermites, we are back to good-old "bombs in the buildings" as the answer to how the buildings were destroyed.

TAM:)

tsig
10th July 2009, 05:37 AM
With hundreds of tons of explosives and hundreds of tons of thermite, it's amazing there was any room left for the employees.

It was the weight of the explosives that brought down the buildings.

8den
10th July 2009, 05:54 AM
Ya but since Larry owned the complex couldnt he have had a bunch of JOOOOOOOS sneak in the explosives?

Jewish Ninjas! They'd be silent and deadly if it wasn't for all the kvetching.

~enigma~
10th July 2009, 05:57 AM
Jewish Ninjas! They'd be silent and deadly if it wasn't for all the kvetching.
http://forums.randi.org/imagehosting/thum_1325748678bd256f5f.jpg (http://forums.randi.org/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12798)

peteweaver
10th July 2009, 06:18 AM
Niels Harrit’s latest interview done today 7/9 on Russia Today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RNyaoYR3y0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.russiatoday.com/Politics/2009-07-09/Did_nano-thermite_take_down_the_WTC.html

He seems to have moved away from seeing nano thermite as the stuff that brought down the three WTC buildings, and now thinks that besides the hundreds of tons of nano thremite, that also hundreds of tons of conventional explosives were used.

A few quotes:



Within the last few weeks Niels Harrit again put forward the claim (on the Danish engineers forum) that bomb sniffing dogs was removed from WTC, two weeks before 9/11. This seems do have been done so that he could change his nano story, to include conventional explosives.

What’s new to me in this interview, besides the 100 of tons of conventional explosives, is the following claim:



Does anybody have any comments on this?

He's scraping the bottom of the silly barrel.

leftysergeant
10th July 2009, 10:16 AM
What’s new to me in this interview, besides the 100 of tons of conventional explosives, is the following claim:



Does anybody have any comments on this?

Off-hand, I would say that he is utterly guanophrenic and knows pretty well nothing about the apllication of thermite in arson.

The idiot just crossed into my trerritory here.

Thermite is useful as a tool in burglary, in that it can be used to cut the hinges off of some pretty serious security doors, cut entrances through steel bar cages and even open some heavy-duty safes.

It's a bit quicker than using a cutting torch, but it has some disadvantages.

For the most part, it would be of interest to an arson investigator in that it would be part of a modus operendi of an individual criminal. Many arson fires are set to cover up another crime.

As a means of torching your house, however, there are just too many drawbacks.

The big blob of cast iron sitting on the floor near the point of ignition, the white powdery residue on survivng surfaces, the vitrified concrete or tiles...

Then there is the fact that most thermite charges are going to need a mechanical linkage of some sort to ignite them. The cell phone remote control is just not all that feasible. If you are going to go that route, it would make far more sense to use a can of gasoline. That would, at least, have the advantage of spreading quite a way through the structure when it blows. Thermite is very intensely hot, but also very localized. It would look a little odd at first glance, to see an area a few feet in circumferrence in which everything was totally burned up while the rest of the house shows signs of having burned for only 10-20 minutes before the fire department arrived. This would be clear indication that an accelerant of some sort had been used and that tests were needed. As i stated earlier, a blob of cast iron would be a good indicator of what to test for.

But no, generally, thermite is not one of the items for which the fire investigators would look.

I have less faith in Harrit's qualifications every time I read something about him.

Now I notice that he is listed as having been 28 years or so an associate professor. Now, I don't know that much about the heirarchy in a European university, but isn't an associate professor one of the less brilliant bulbs in the array, generally speaking?

Kind of like an Army officer retiring as an O-3, company grade, as opposed to field grade. I'm getting an impression of a lot of twoofers being sort of duds in their fileds, like Jeff King as an engineer (please God, make him a better physician than an engineer,) or Erik May, or Dylan Avery, the notorious film school reject, or Dick Gage, architectural hack.

Some people would have no life were it not for Da Twoof.

T.A.M.
10th July 2009, 01:06 PM
Off-hand, I would say that he is utterly guanophrenic and knows pretty well nothing about the apllication of thermite in arson.

The idiot just crossed into my trerritory here.

Thermite is useful as a tool in burglary, in that it can be used to cut the hinges off of some pretty serious security doors, cut entrances through steel bar cages and even open some heavy-duty safes.

It's a bit quicker than using a cutting torch, but it has some disadvantages.

For the most part, it would be of interest to an arson investigator in that it would be part of a modus operendi of an individual criminal. Many arson fires are set to cover up another crime.

As a means of torching your house, however, there are just too many drawbacks.

The big blob of cast iron sitting on the floor near the point of ignition, the white powdery residue on survivng surfaces, the vitrified concrete or tiles...

Then there is the fact that most thermite charges are going to need a mechanical linkage of some sort to ignite them. The cell phone remote control is just not all that feasible. If you are going to go that route, it would make far more sense to use a can of gasoline. That would, at least, have the advantage of spreading quite a way through the structure when it blows. Thermite is very intensely hot, but also very localized. It would look a little odd at first glance, to see an area a few feet in circumferrence in which everything was totally burned up while the rest of the house shows signs of having burned for only 10-20 minutes before the fire department arrived. This would be clear indication that an accelerant of some sort had been used and that tests were needed. As i stated earlier, a blob of cast iron would be a good indicator of what to test for.

But no, generally, thermite is not one of the items for which the fire investigators would look.

I have less faith in Harrit's qualifications every time I read something about him.

Now I notice that he is listed as having been 28 years or so an associate professor. Now, I don't know that much about the heirarchy in a European university, but isn't an associate professor one of the less brilliant bulbs in the array, generally speaking?

Kind of like an Army officer retiring as an O-3, company grade, as opposed to field grade. I'm getting an impression of a lot of twoofers being sort of duds in their fileds, like Jeff King as an engineer (please God, make him a better physician than an engineer,) or Erik May, or Dylan Avery, the notorious film school reject, or Dick Gage, architectural hack.

Some people would have no life were it not for Da Twoof.

For some unknown reason, your words have made me think of a new theory Jones and the boys can use.

The ebil NWO placed the sekrit NANOTHERMITE, in paint, to conceal it, and this is why the red/grey micro chips resemble paint!!!

Genius, genius I tell you!!!

TAM;)

alienentity
10th July 2009, 01:59 PM
Niels Harrit quotes:
http://www.cafedelnightmare.com/2009/05/danish-scientist-niels-harrit-nano.html

'If civilian researchers (like myself) are not familiar with it, it is probably because they do not do much work with explosives. As for military scientists, you would have to ask them. I do not know how familiar they are with nanotechnology.' Wow, you've really done your homework....NOT!

Q: So you found this substance in the WTC, why do you think it caused the collapse?
A: 'Well, it's an explosive. Why else would it be there?' Umm, what is it and where was it have not been answered.

Neither Harrit nor Jones know what the chips are, they clearly don't know enough about military nanothermite, and seem not to be in touch with those who do... (remember several of the chips gave off more energy than thermite could, even nanothermite. Isn't it more likely that they aren't actually thermite? Of course, but then you have to abandon CD doctrine, which they won't do).

'Hundreds of thousands of people around the world, have long known that the three buildings were demolished. This has been crystal clear.' Riiiight. Who needed physical evidence when we knew all along?

'When you see a 47-storey building, 186m tall, collapse in 6.5 seconds, and you are a scientist, you think "what?' Well, it didn't collapse in 6.5 seconds, so no wonder Harrit is confused.
He probably didn't bother to read the NIST WTC 7 report either.

In Niels' world, arguments from incredulity coupled with unqualified speculation make up the 'science'. Yikes!!

Harrit's claims are just silly. Full stop.

FineWine
10th July 2009, 02:13 PM
Jewish Ninjas! They'd be silent and deadly if it wasn't for all the kvetching.

Hilarious!


Jewish nanothermite: schmaltz


(For the goyim here, "schmaltz or schmalz is rendered pig, chicken, or goose fat used for frying or as a spread on bread, especially in German and Polish cuisine.")


Jewish stand-down order: "Cut it out! I just had my hair and nails done."


Jewish cover-up: a bad toupee.


Jewish cut column: circumcision.


Jewish conspiracy: all conspiracies are Jewish.

HereticHulk
10th July 2009, 03:44 PM
Niels Harrit was also interviewed on a podcast I listen to: Electric Politics.

Here is a link (http://www.electricpolitics.com/podcast/2009/07/deadly_dust.html) if anyone is interested in listening.

It takes a theory to beat a theory. Up to now, that's played to the strengths of the establishment narrative for 9/11. But with the discovery and analysis of nano-thermite residue from dust collected in lower Manhattan immediately after 9/11, the counterfactual burden falls the other way. To get the story from the source I turned to Dr. Niels Harrit, lead author of a recent paper (.pdf) that examines the dust in exhaustive detail. A professor of chemistry at the University of Copenhagen for over forty years, with an impressive publication record (.pdf), Niels brings a high level of professional credibility to the 9/11 truth movement. I was very happy to talk with Niels and I thank him for his tremendous public service. Total runtime fifty eight minutes. Dare to question convention!

ETA: George Kenney (host) interviewed Harrit this AM. I emailed George last week and linked some of the posts here about the validity of the journal Niels used and the other Steven Jones thread. So he questioned him about that and the reasoning as to why he used that particular publisher.

T.A.M.
10th July 2009, 04:46 PM
Easy answer...no respectable traditional journal would publish their tripe. Whether it be the severe political slant (which has no place in scientific literature/analysis), OR the lack of ability/desire to eliminate more common, more benign sources for their amazing chips, OR the absolute abysmal chain of custody exhibited from their paper, the chances of their paper in its present form getting published by a REAL journal are slim to none.

Jones and the bunch knew this going in, so they applied to be published in a sure thing, a money driven vanity journal. The truthers ate it up like candy.

TAM:)

scott.in.taiwan
8th August 2009, 02:00 PM
Now I notice that he is listed as having been 28 years or so an associate professor. Now, I don't know that much about the heirarchy in a European university, but isn't an associate professor one of the less brilliant bulbs in the array, generally speaking?

Niels Harrit is associate professor of chemistry at the University of Copenhagen. His list of research publications is here http://chem.ku.dk/ansatte/publikationsliste/?personid=138970

The link entitled 'homepage' leads to a page entotled 'Nano-Science Center' and is written in Danish.

It is a large department with many researchers. You can find the entire list of personal here http://chem.ku.dk/ansatte/alle/
It is a little strange that after 28 years one would still be associate professor, but only a little strange. My advisor (not is a science or technical field) retired as an associate professor.

Dr. Harrit may be a nut, but he is a professional nut. He has raised technical issues with the model that, from our point of view, invalidate it. While he is committed to a certain conclusion and will not accept it has been invalidated, he is not willing to continue promoting conclusions that have no scientififc basis.

Horatius
8th August 2009, 07:18 PM
Does anybody have any comments on this?



My comment?


according to some regulation



That's some high quality research, right there!

Seriously, this guy is trying to claim that the failure to look for thermite is indicative of a conspiracy, because the FBI, or whoever, is legally required to look for thermite in fire investigations, yet the best citation he can come up with is "according to some regulation"?

I'd love to see this guy try to get such a citation past any, even remotely respectable, University thesis panel. He'd get his ass handed to him.






And yet, it seems to be good enough for the twoofers.

AZCat
8th August 2009, 07:26 PM
The truthers typically refer to NFPA 921 as the "regulation" (even though it isn't).

TjW
8th August 2009, 08:20 PM
I'm a little confused. If the nano/pico/femto/attothermite was used as fuse material (assuming for the sake of argument that it could be used that way), why was so much of it unconsumed after its use?
I can understand perhaps some small percentage of charges not going off. But igniters are typically much smaller than the charges they ignite. It seems odd that, even with hundreds of tons of conventional explosives, enough "fuse material" was spread around to make finding chips of it a trivial exercise.
I suppose it's an argument from incredulity, but if it were used as fuse, I would expect the fuses that worked to set off charges to be consumed, and for those charges that didn't go off, I would expect a far better chance of finding a small chip of the relatively larger conventional explosive than a small chip of the fuse.

R.Mackey
8th August 2009, 08:45 PM
The better question is, if the nano-crap is a "fuse," it's a fuse for what?

Thermite is tough to ignite already. Nanothermite is in some ways easier to ignite, but still not easy. However, the "fuse" would also need a fuse. It won't just spontaneously go off.

And this other fuse, this thing you need to light off the nanothermite, would in almost certainty light off whatever other mystery ingredient you need.

This is rather like the "Red Mercury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury)" hoax that's been around for a couple of decades, and popped up in a 9/11 context (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=4959814#post4959814) a few times. The insane individuals who came up with "Red Mercury" claim it's a "ballotechnic" material, i.e. one that detonates with pressures three orders of magnitude higher than conventional explosives, and can be used as a trigger for a fusion bomb. This means one can make a fusion bomb without first having to develop a fission bomb to start the fusion reaction. Problem with that argument is, if the "ballotechnic" exists, then just use that by itself! If its own reactivity is comparable to a fission bomb, then why bother with fission or fusion?

Just like "Red Mercury" doesn't really exist except as a shadowy part of a make-believe device, neither does "nanothermite." There is no credible reason at all why you would need either substance. Ergo, it's fantasy. It's just a buzz-word, made up by a crank, who has no idea what he's talking about. Its only purpose is to impress equally ignorant people.

And this is completely apart from Dr. Jones and Dr. Harrit's own data showing that the crap they have is not, and in no way resembles, actual nanothermite.

A W Smith
8th August 2009, 10:32 PM
Since nanothermite or any thermite has never in the history of......ever.. been used in a cd. Why would they "be required" to look for it? Besides. The effects of a cd on the wreckage would be self evident.

dropzone
8th August 2009, 10:54 PM
Jewish nanothermite: schmaltz


(For the goyim here, "schmaltz or schmalz is rendered pig, chicken, or goose fat used for frying or as a spread on bread, especially in German and Polish cuisine.")(calling upon my great-grandmother* for the appropriate look of disapproval) Pig? :jaw-dropp


* - Grandpa pretended he was close enough to Catholic to marry Grandma, though he was mostly Scottish-Rite Mason.

DGM
9th August 2009, 03:29 PM
Not that I want to help the helpless "truthers" out but, maybe it's time they think about "boeinggoingfastfulloffuelomite".:D (hey maybe if you give it a cool name they won't catch on).