Former SNL actor compares Obama to Hitler. [Archive]

Ladewig

9th July 2009, 12:04 PM

Victoria Jackson (SNL cast member 1986-1992) is rather upset over the new president. She posted a blog (http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/vjackson/2009/07/07/ignorance-is-bliss/) with some scathing accusations.

... Obama legally kills babies and now he can legally kill Grandmas! [through socialized medicine]

Hitler did this. He killed the weak, the sick, the old, and babies and races/religions he didn’t like. Hitler also controlled the media. (Where’s the public debate between scientists on “Climate Change/Global Warming?”) Hitler had the VW bug invented as the state car. What will O’s nationalized car be? So… kill off the weak. That’s the plan...

oldhat

9th July 2009, 12:06 PM

Hitler Hitler Hitler.

Drudgewire

9th July 2009, 12:09 PM

She's never gotten over being the only unfunny character in UHF. :p

johnny karate

9th July 2009, 12:10 PM

See, this is the downside to the Instant Media Age. It's clogged with self-important wingnuts who are under the delusion that people care what they think.

tomwaits

9th July 2009, 12:14 PM

You must have missed an earlier thread about how she said that Obama was actually the antichrist. Maybe I'll try to find it when I get home.

BPSCG

9th July 2009, 12:32 PM

All together now, one more time:

"Freedom of speech is a good thing. It makes it easier to spot the idiots."

maddog

9th July 2009, 12:37 PM

I have never understood why anyone, and especially the media, cares what entertainers or athletes think about politics.

thaiboxerken

9th July 2009, 12:37 PM

I always assumed she just played an idiot on SNL. Turns out, she wasn't acting at all.

headscratcher4

9th July 2009, 12:39 PM

What's the old saw -- good for either right-wingers or left wingers -- the first one to drop the word "Hitler" into a debate (other than about Nazi Germany) loses?

oldhat

9th July 2009, 12:40 PM

Godwin's Law.

headscratcher4

9th July 2009, 12:55 PM

Batting next in the line-up: Jim DeMint...

http://washingtonindependent.com/50152/demint-america-is-where-germany-was-before-world-war-ii

dudalb

9th July 2009, 02:08 PM

Between this and the Palin/George Washington comparasion that heascratcher4 has a thread about, this a banner day for really,really, bad comparasions.

headscratcher4

9th July 2009, 02:13 PM

And I'm on the east coast...so there's still time for more....I wonder, maybe Ensign's parents giving his mistress and family $96K will find its way into some nice, OTT comparison? ;)

fullflavormenthol

9th July 2009, 02:27 PM

I have never understood why anyone, and especially the media, cares what entertainers or athletes think about politics.

Last time I checked Victoria Jackson hasn't entertained anyone, even in her SNL days in which she was merely a background player to real comedians.

So...she is an athlete now? What sport?

dudalb

9th July 2009, 03:09 PM

I have never understood why anyone, and especially the media, cares what entertainers or athletes think about politics.

Particularly one as low rent as Victoria Jackson.

Snide

9th July 2009, 03:39 PM

Particularly one as low rent as Victoria Jackson.I blame/credit Jackson for helping Franken beat Coleman in Minnesota. Her last minute ad with Ratzenberger, Stephen Baldwin, et al, was meant to show Hollywood types are not all pinko commies. Unfortunately for Coleman, her dotty "Go Vikings!" closing to the commercial left viewers with a lasting impression that the ditzy ones are Republicans.

Darth Rotor

9th July 2009, 06:37 PM

If she'd said it while jumping rope naked, I might have paid attention to her comment.

As is, well, who *****' cares?

Thunder

9th July 2009, 06:47 PM

Pardalis

9th July 2009, 11:50 PM

So...she is an athlete now? What sport?

Freestyle hogwash.

Mikister

10th July 2009, 01:00 AM

No irreparably turbid argument is complete without displaying a fragmentary apprehension of eugenics.

a_unique_person

10th July 2009, 01:07 AM

I have never understood why anyone, and especially the media, cares what entertainers or athletes think about politics.

They don't care, but their customers do.

Brainster

10th July 2009, 08:44 AM

I guess this is a man bites dog story. Would anybody have even bothered to post it if some actor had compared Bush to Hitler? That's dog bites man.

headscratcher4

10th July 2009, 08:59 AM

I think there was a fair amount of comparing Bush to Hitler...I know I lost more than one argument that way... ;)

Ladewig

10th July 2009, 09:35 AM

I guess this is a man bites dog story. Would anybody have even bothered to post it if some actor had compared Bush to Hitler? That's dog bites man.

I disagree. I posted the story to show that if there is not a one-to-one ratio between Bush Derangement Syndrom and Obama Derangement Syndrom, then there are at least in the same ballpark.

Alferd_Packer

10th July 2009, 10:01 AM

I don't get it.
Since almost everyone over the age of 65 is enrolled in medicare, how does socialized medicine kill them?

headscratcher4

10th July 2009, 10:10 AM

I don't get it.
Since almost everyone over the age of 65 is enrolled in medicare, how does socialized medicine kill them?

Its not fast and its not pretty. It does it slowly -- or sometime frighteningly fast. Once on Medicare, an otherwise healthy 65 year old can begin wasting away. Some barely make it to 70. Others linger into their 80s or even 90s, a few have even been tortured so much that they make it to 100 and are subsequently subjected to birthday wishes from Willard Scott. But, however it happens -- fast or slow -- it a statistical fact that everyone who has ever been on Medicare dies. 100% death rate over time. That is socialized medicine for you.

headscratcher4

10th July 2009, 10:12 AM

Just to further underscore the hideousness of the creeping socialism that Obama is imposing on us all, know that there is also a %100 percent death rate for everyone who has ever been forced to pay income taxes.

Alferd_Packer

10th July 2009, 10:20 AM

Thank you for clearing that up.

Pardalis

10th July 2009, 10:28 AM

From the mare's mouth:

You stand in a long, long line with a breast lump, clogged artery, or sharp pencil stuck in your eye, and someone like the DMV person, who can’t speak English, has chewing gum, an attitiude, really long fake nails that curl up at the end, and is talking on a cell phone, enjoying their power trip moment, is finally face to face with you. They mumble something incoherent about paperwork. You die.

I mean, how can one argue against such implacable logic?

headscratcher4

10th July 2009, 10:32 AM

More to the point...how is that different than what most of us experience in the free market? Have you been to an emergency room lately? Whether or not you have insurance, triage dictates how and when you are treated...sheesh...and, talk about incoherent paperwork...that is what my insurance plan dishes out in heaps, mostly so it can deny me coverage.

What she is worried about is already here for 95% of us....

cgordon

10th July 2009, 10:58 AM

From her profile at that blog:

Well, I'd feel like we didn't really connect if I didn't tell you about what I really feel is important. I am a genuine true blue believer...not in Kaballah...not in Scientology...not in the New Age movement...not in Mormonism...not in Buddism...not in Hinduism...not in Catholicism...not in Protestantism...but in Jesus Christ. I've studied all those other religions...and as a cynic, and a free spirit...I personally decided to put my faith in Jesus. I've read the Bible all the way through....and I believe it is the Truth...the Word of God. Read John 3:l6, Ephesians 2:8,9, Romans 3:23, and Romans 6:23 and tell me what you think. What do you think? Jesus claimed to be "the Lord"...He was the "Lord," a liar, or a lunatic. Tell me what you think and why. After all, none of us has died and come back to tell....so we all have our faith in something. What is your faith in? I'm eager to listen and discuss.

Well. THERE'S your problem ...

Corsair 115

10th July 2009, 11:49 AM

And what do other mostly forgotten Saturday Night Live alumni have to say? What's Joe Piscopo's take on it? Robin Duke's?

Alferd_Packer

10th July 2009, 12:10 PM

Ask Gilbert Gottfried.

Brainster

10th July 2009, 01:57 PM

I disagree. I posted the story to show that if there is not a one-to-one ratio between Bush Derangement Syndrom and Obama Derangement Syndrom, then there are at least in the same ballpark.

I certainly find the Obama/Hitler comparisons as laughable as I did the Bush/Hitler comparisons. I don't think at this point you can say they're close in terms of frequency, or how far up the line they go; the fact that an SNL actor I never heard of is the source says that this is something of a non-story.

Then again we have the whole Liberal/Communist, Conservative/Nazi argument but I don't see Obama being compared to any particular communist dictator (although he is often called a communist) by the right. Maybe the tea party guys were promoting the Obama is Stalin meme; that would not strike me as out of the realm of possibility. To be clear, I'm saying that sort of hogwash being spewed by the idiot right would not be out of the realm of possibility, not that the comparison has any validity; it doesn't.

headscratcher4

10th July 2009, 02:12 PM

Actually, Obama as Hitler seems to be a theme both at tea parties and elsewhere in the GOP...has-been SNL comedian not really too orginial in her wing-nuttiness. From admittedly partisan (both left and right) websites:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lisa-derrick/republicans-claim-free-sp_b_225998.html

http://thinkprogress.org/2009/06/23/md-gop-obama-hitler/

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/obamas-youth-brigade-will-not-be.html

http://www.urbanjacksonville.info/2009/07/03/duval-gop-rally-posters-liken-obama-to-hitler/

http://www.drudge.com/news/122374/gop-group-compares-obama-hitler

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2008/11/comparing-obama-hitler-right-wing-radio

Again, I understand how "fringe" this is...but fringe has a way of working its way into the core...

You may have heard of Senator DeMint:

http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/jim-demint-is-latest-republican-to-compare-obama-to-hitler/

Now, derangement syndrome is bad...but when Senator Durbin had the temerity to even mention the fact that US "enhanced interrogation" didn't look all that different from some methods used by the SS...he was pummled and denounced and made to apologize...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/21/AR2005062101654.html

Such is politics....

ladyattis

10th July 2009, 02:13 PM

As much as I disagree with Obama on pretty much everything, the whole Hitler thing is retarded. *sighs*

Monketey Ghost

10th July 2009, 03:57 PM

People, please... what is your faith in?

Upchurch

10th July 2009, 04:01 PM

People, please... what is your faith in?
In a jar filled with formaldehyde. I keep it in the basement, just in case I need my faith later.

fuelair

10th July 2009, 04:15 PM

I have never understood why anyone, and especially the media, cares what entertainers or athletes think about politics.

Because they now account for close on to 30-35% of what now passes for news -that means the people who really don't care about actual news will still turn in - so their opinions , given on the "news", sells product.

Brainster

10th July 2009, 04:43 PM

Actually, Obama as Hitler seems to be a theme both at tea parties and elsewhere in the GOP...has-been SNL comedian not really too orginial in her wing-nuttiness. From admittedly partisan (both left and right) websites:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/03/obamas-youth-brigade-will-not-be.html

Wow! I have always respected Gateway Pundit but that post is absolutely a deal-killer for me. Your point.

Again, I understand how "fringe" this is...but fringe has a way of working its way into the core...

You may have heard of Senator DeMint:

http://firedoglake.com/2009/07/09/jim-demint-is-latest-republican-to-compare-obama-to-hitler/

More oblique and yet still pretty stupid.

Now, derangement syndrome is bad...but when Senator Durbin had the temerity to even mention the fact that US "enhanced interrogation" didn't look all that different from some methods used by the SS...he was pummled and denounced and made to apologize...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/21/AR2005062101654.html

Such is politics....

If he apologized I assume we're not debating whether he was wrong, just whether he was more wrong?

I'll go back to my default position on comparisons to Hitler. The people who make those comparisons with any contemporary US politician (David Duke excepted) are not intentionally minimizing Hitler's evil or maximizing the supposed evil of the US pol they are comparing him to.

What they are doing is saying they're just as brave as those who stood up to Hitler. And that's what they should be mocked for ruthlessly.

headscratcher4

10th July 2009, 05:01 PM

Actually I agree with you, B., my only point was that I think it interesting in some wing-nut circles, they aren't calling Obama "Stalin" (is it because the USSR doesn't exist anymore so there is seemingly less an immediate threat?), they are calling him Hitler. I, like you, find it completely incomprehensible with respect to any US politician as well. Much as I disliked Bush, it wasn't applicable and those who did immediately showed themselves to not be serious. I think the fear mongering over Obama is just as bad. What disturbs me most, are politicians like DeMint who seem to have picked up on this nuttiness and incorporating it, if subtly, into their rhetoric. But your default position is, IMO, the right one.

Ladewig

11th July 2009, 06:33 AM

And what do other mostly forgotten Saturday Night Live alumni have to say? What's Joe Piscopo's take on it? Robin Duke's?

Point taken. If I had the chance to do it over, I wouldn't have started this thread.

Beerina

13th July 2009, 10:19 AM

Cleon

13th July 2009, 01:16 PM

Hollywood elite, to use the second word loosely, live in a fantasy worldview that has precious little empirical support for it, regardless of which side of the aisle they're on. But lotsa stuff works just great inside that mental model! And they're so sure about it they wouldn't wast an instant worrying about whether it would be proper to jam it down everyone's throat.

This strikes me as being completely devoid of substance. You could level the "living in a fantasy worldview" accusation towards anyone, for any reason, and there's no way to substantiate it.

Libertarians "live in a fantasy worldview that has precious little empirical support for it."

Democrats "live in a fantasy worldview that has precious little empirical support for it."

Republicans "live in a fantasy worldview that has precious little empirical support for it."

Small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri "live in a fantasy worldview that has precious little empirical support for it."

It's nothing but empty condescension.

Beerina

13th July 2009, 07:35 PM

A worldview is ultimately a theory that can be tested against reality. Her theory, that Obama is like Hitler because Hitler killed babies, and Obama won't try to get rid of abortions, fails when matched against reality. Hitler's babies, if he killed them, were already born.

It's only a valid comparison if a god exists and established souls at conception. Since no god exists in reality, it is a mismatch and thus the mental model is flawed. (And I would like to quickly point out that even if a god existed and ensoulment, whatever that means, occurred at conception, and the god said killing the unborn was wrong, wouldn't actually make it wrong. You are under no ethical obligation to obey anyone threatening you, nor are you required to allow such a thing to develop when it requires your body. And if a god existed, that would make the ethical suggestion that you should not abort completely moot, ironically, as you're certain the soul would be saved by the god anyway.)

So please. I never type empty condescension. I only type loaded condescension.

FreshHat

13th July 2009, 08:21 PM

And what do other mostly forgotten Saturday Night Live alumni have to say? What's Joe Piscopo's take on it? Robin Duke's?

Robin Duke is Canadian, so I would think she succumbed to faulty socialist Canuckistani medical care years ago.

LukeB

14th July 2009, 12:48 AM

Small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri "live in a fantasy worldview that has precious little empirical support for it."

There are no small furry creatures on Alpha Centauri. Just goddamn Mindworms.

Marduk

14th July 2009, 01:10 AM

just in case anyone else is having trouble distinguishing between Obama and Hitler I can reliably inform you that Hitler had a moustache
:D

14th July 2009, 01:24 AM

what is SNL?

fullflavormenthol

14th July 2009, 02:04 AM

what is SNL?
Assuming that isn't a sarcastic statement....

SNL is sort for Saturday Night Live, an American sketch comedy show created by Lorne Michaels. Basically think Monty Python if it was interpreted to be deemed acceptable by an American audience. It has its good years and its bad years. I quit watching in the late 90's.

14th July 2009, 02:09 AM

Assuming that isn't a sarcastic statement....

SNL is sort for Saturday Night Live, an American sketch comedy show created by Lorne Michaels. Basically think Monty Python if it was interpreted to be deemed acceptable by an American audience. It has its good years and its bad years. I quit watching in the late 90's.

ah thanks, no it wasnt sarcastic.