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se7ensnakes
12th July 2009, 09:38 PM
What is the biggest conspiracy of all time? A conspiracy so big that it robs from nearly every person on the planet. It is the ability of banks to just create money out of nothing. Since most of the money is digital they just create money using a few keystrokes in a computer. This system exchanges labor, houses, companies, hard goods for a few computer bookkeeping entries. Creating money by banks is a matter of law and it is therefore not secret, it just not allowed to come under the radar of the general public. The general public is allowed to know about Brad and Anjelina, or Michael Jackson or Brittany Spears, but no information about who creates the money in circulation.
What more, if you go directly to the people on the street and tell them about banks creating money out of thin air, it really does not sink in, they give you a stare no different than when you tell a cow that she is soon going to be slaughtered and eaten. In order for the population to really understand the significance of this it needs to be beaten into their heads everyday for an entire year. Then and only then will some of them start to get it. The only problem is that the bank owners, with their immense wealth won't let that happen.
You and I have to work for money but someone comes along and sets up a legal system where he and his buddies could just create money out of nothing. Imagine, a contractor who has to buy supplies and labor to build a house, but all a bank has to do is enter a few keystrokes on a computer and if the borrower does not service the loan and the house goes into foreclosure, the banks gets the house. But the bank did no work at all, other than just a few bookkeeping entries. With a system like that, what chance does a country have for any kind of political and financial freedom?
The banks just donated 200 million dollars in campaign contributions to certain congressmen that suppose to investigate financial institutions. You need money to run for office, and banks are able to conjure money. How much money did you give to the Obama or the McCain campaign? Did you give them free exposure through television, newspaper and radio? Do you seriously think that all of those million of dollars given in campaign contributions has no affect on the way that the president is going to treat certain issues?
Besides the political, the bankers subvert our educational system. Imagine millions of people living out their lives not knowing how money is put in circulation, or what a federal reserve note is. Additionally, I have debated the issue of the income tax in this forum and I have yet to find one single individual in this forum that understand what the income tax is. It is true you get cute little comical entries when you debate. Sometimes you get frustrated individuals who want to just “squash” you. In the end you get nothing substantial that will lead you to believe that the people in this forum actually understand. Some of the people in this forum rambled about the 16th Amendment without actually bothering to look at what the supreme court actually said. Additionally the people in this forum made quotes from publications that have no constitutional / supreme court reference. Most of these publications actually run contrary to the constitution / supreme court therefore they could not defend the quotes. Their only hope of “winning” the debate is if you get as confuse as they are.
It is impossible to argue that this general confusion and ignorance is purely coincidental. Moreover there are educated individuals writing out these publications. They can, just as I can, easily read the constitution / supreme court. What more, once you learn the definition of certain key words it is rather simple and straight forward. The logic of the supreme court justices' decision about the income tax becomes known with obvious clarity. You realize then and there that someone is deliberately trying to obfuscate the issue of the income tax.
The banking system in this country was modeled after the bank of england and so the bankers understood that in order to service the upcoming national debt they needed money directly from the people, hence the income tax is complementary to the federal reserve act. Once in a while you meet someone who has some kind of degree in economics, and they will tell you that fractional reserve banking was design to expand wealth by letting liquidity help entrepreneurs, help expand businesses, blah, blah blah. They will tell you, using mumbo jumbo fancy sounding words that really just try to hide the fact that someone, some private business scam the government to give them the legal right to create money out of nothing.
Perhaps the most important thing everyone needs to realize is that our monetary system was not born out of representatives being voted in to debate monetary reform, rather it was the result of very wealthy private interest pulling the strings to pass certain laws. They saw how well the scam worked in Europe so they wanted to pull it off here. Now what was the last time you voted in the chairman of the board of governors. Yet it is this board of governors who are going to determine the amount of your bills, and if you are going to have a job tomorrow. What was the last time that you had to choose candidates that promoted 100% reserve banking vs fractional reserve banking. Were we even given a chance? What about the open market committee meetings? Did you ever see one on CSPAN? What about education? Why is monetary theory avoided in high school? Go around the country and ask cashiers if they accept federal reserve notes. Most of them will tell you that they don't. Cashiers don't even know what Federal Reserve notes are! "Am sorry we don't accept federal reserve notes." How can you possibly have representatives in government looking out for our financial welfare when the population does not even know the issues?
The Federal Reserve central bank just uses the government to write and enforce laws.. This mean that if you are a bank and are part of the bank cartel you have to abide by certain rules. Since it is a banking cartel, that is a group of private companies who have a monopoly on this money creation system, they wanted to bring in the government for the purpose of enforcing laws that restrict members. Imagine if one bank decides to expand credit by using comparative low interest rates, thereby making the money creation scam more obvious to the general public. Since the banks don't loan money but just create money, imagine if a bank decided to have no interest and would, in fact, just pay the borrower a certain amount of money, some kind of rebate if you will. The interbank competition will become fierce and inflation will just sky rocket and the scam will become obvious to the general public.
The Central Bank also controls the interest rate, or rather how hard or easy it would be to borrow money. Easy and hard money produces predictable results, as human nature has not changed for hundreds of years. This allows those with privilege information to sell and buy at just the right time. Recessions are scientifically controlled. Sell sell sell during the boom and buy buy buy during the burst, picking up corporations, real estate on the bankrupt cheap. When the Chase Bank shows profit, it goes to the pockets of whomever owns the bank, but when Chase Bank loose money, it tries to compensate using public money, or by inflating the currency so that our weekly wages is worth less. Is that a scam or what?
The Federal Reserve Central Bank also does certain things such as guaranteeing deposits. If I play the stock market why can the government guarantee my return? Does the federal government actually have the constitutional right to use public money to help one business group and not another? Am not talking about bailouts, I am talking about on a year to year basis.
Most of the money is in digital format, but what will happen if everyone came in and wanted to withdraw from the banks? The federal reserve central bank will follow with an emergency money infusion. This will save the bank's face but you will need barrel full of money to buy a bread loaf. If banks become insolvent the whole economic system will come crashing down. This will not happen if people were educated about monetary theory and voted accordingly. Banks then will just be another business providing a service for gain and lost. But alas this is not the case.
In the 1800s banks in this country learned that staying under the radar was very important. They could not have the media keeping the people generally informed. There is no money creation education in any of our public high schools. Newspapers and Television rarely mention it. I don't need to see any of the schools curriculum to know that there is a lack education in monetary theory. All I need to do is to ask graduates if they know what fractional reserve banking is, or perhaps what is the difference between a United States Note and a Federal Reserve Note.
It is absurdly impossible to argue that there is no intelligent design to the national debt now in the trillions, or the powerful American corporations, or households and individuals indebtedness to financial institutions that supposedly do nothing more than vault money. You simply cannot argue that all this indebtedness happened purely by chance, and more importantly that this debt-money system is the best for the general financial welfare of the people, corporations and government. If you take the legal power away from these counterfeiting institutions, do you think they will just quietly go away. They control so many corporations will they protest by collapsing the economy and plunging the nation into deep economic chaos? This is a type of treasonous act. They tried it in the 1800s, will they try it again? This is indeed the biggest conspiracy of all...Hence Mega-conspiracy.

JoeyDonuts
12th July 2009, 09:45 PM
I think I missed the part where you pitch a DVD or attempt to push traffic towards a certain website.

thought_fugitive
12th July 2009, 09:45 PM
what?

LightinDarkness
12th July 2009, 09:48 PM
OMG..its..the same old debunked fiat money conspiracy!

1970 called and wants its talking points back.

Brainache
12th July 2009, 09:52 PM
So, what's the solution?

Start growing our own cars, TVs and computers so we can barter them in the market square for chickens and beans?

defaultdotxbe
12th July 2009, 09:54 PM
They could not have the media keeping the people generally informed. There is no money creation education in any of our public high schools. Newspapers and Television rarely mention it. I don't need to see any of the schools curriculum to know that there is a lack education in monetary theory.
really? my public high school's economics curriculum had a rather in depth chapter on fractional reserve banking and the federal reserve system in the US

my (also public) college had entire courses on the subject

i know why you dont need to see any of the curricula, because you know youll be proven wrong

LightinDarkness
12th July 2009, 10:10 PM
really? my public high school's economics curriculum had a rather in depth chapter on fractional reserve banking and the federal reserve system in the US

my (also public) college had entire courses on the subject

i know why you dont need to see any of the curricula, because you know youll be proven wrong

Same for me.

High school - included fractional reserve.
College (public) - economics 101 included a chapter on it
Graduate school, graduate economic minor - several days on it

Where is this absence of it in education again?

Checkmite
12th July 2009, 10:43 PM
I don't understand - these people don't get it. Okay, I see where they're going with the whole "fiat currency can be created out of nothing" argument - but that a system based on it is doomed to inevitably collapse is fallacious. It is certainly capable of collapsing, if people stop "playing along" - but that fact guarantees that nobody (that matters) will ever stop playing along, because they can only lose by doing so; and if somebody is illogical enough to do so, it's much easier for everyone else to head off any loss by simply ignoring him in favor of the system.

The system won't collapse. Move on; nothing to see here.

linusrichard
12th July 2009, 11:06 PM
Additionally, I have debated the issue of the income tax in this forum and I have yet to find one single individual in this forum that understand what the income tax is.
un-der-stand, v., 1. to agree with se7ensnakes regarding.
It is true you get cute little comical entries when you debate.
Cute little comical entries like explaining point by point exactly why you're wrong and providing a Supreme Court case exactly on point that explains why you're wrong, and explaining exactly why that case means you're wrong, and dropping a couple dozen more federal cases on you? Is that cute and comical? Is it cuter or more comical than citing a case in support of your argument that has been overruled? That was both cute and comical, in my opinion.
Sometimes you get frustrated individuals who want to just “squash” you.
I don't want to squash you. I want to educate you. Not that I entertain any illusions about how likely that is. I want to squash your misunderstandings.
In the end you get nothing substantial that will lead you to believe that the people in this forum actually understand. Some of the people in this forum rambled about the 16th Amendment without actually bothering to look at what the supreme court actually said.
The only reason I talked about the 16th amendment was to point out that it was basically irrelevant with respect to a tax on wages. I think it makes much more sense to talk about 26 U.S.C. 1, given the title of this thread.
Additionally the people in this forum made quotes from publications that have no constitutional / supreme court reference.
Are you talking about the Corpus Juris Secundum? Which does cite to Supreme Court cases. I gave you a whole list of cases. You know why there's not a lot of Supreme Court precedent on the topic? Because the Supreme Court is very picky about which cases it hears, and it doesn't waste its time reaffirming areas of well-settled law, like, whether or not there's a legitimate income tax.
Most of these publications actually run contrary to the constitution / supreme court therefore they could not defend the quotes. Their only hope of “winning” the debate is if you get as confuse as they are.
It is impossible to argue that this general confusion and ignorance is purely coincidental. Moreover there are educated individuals writing out these publications. They can, just as I can, easily read the constitution / supreme court. What more, once you learn the definition of certain key words it is rather simple and straight forward. The logic of the supreme court justices' decision about the income tax becomes known with obvious clarity. You realize then and there that someone is deliberately trying to obfuscate the issue of the income tax.
Let me reiterate this statement in clearer language, so that we can see exactly what you're saying. You're saying that if a bunch of highly intelligent and very well-educated people, whose job it is to study, understand, and restate the law, says that it's says one thing, and you read it, and come up with a different answer, it's impossible that you got it wrong, and the only possibility is that there is an enormous conspiracy out there to try to deny the obvious meaning. Do you see why people find this ridiculous?

If it's so obvious that you "won" the last thread, why not post there, instead of running away to start a new thread? Seems a little dishonest.

se7ensnakes
13th July 2009, 12:24 AM
lightindarkness
What exactly was debunked, that there is no inflation, that bank dont create money out of thin air. That megabuck campaign contributions dont exist, that there are no lobbyist? Perhaps you think that fractional reserve banking dont allow banks to create money? maybe fractional reserve banking came from China? Let me guess ... you were sleeping during those money creation courses?

se7ensnakes
13th July 2009, 12:28 AM
Brainache
Clearly the solution is not within your capability.

JoeyDonuts
13th July 2009, 12:32 AM
What exactly was proven? A conspiracy? *yawn*

Come back when you have something. Take remedial writing courses while you're at it.

Your grammar is downright atrocious. If you're going to throw around big words, it helps to frame them correctly.

se7ensnakes
13th July 2009, 12:33 AM
Defaultxbe
In your little world everyone walking the streets know exactly how money comes into circulation, because they were drilled about this in high school. Equally, everyone in your little world is crying out for their wages to become diluted. Yeah, they want the banks to keep multiplying the money supply. They know this thats why they voted Obama because obama is going to give the banks more responsibilities. In fact the last election that is all they talked about. The various money creation theories and why in fact we just have the best one. Nice, Nice little world you live in.

defaultdotxbe
13th July 2009, 12:49 AM
Defaultxbe
In your little world everyone walking the streets know exactly how money comes into circulation, because they were drilled about this in high school. Equally, everyone in your little world is crying out for their wages to become diluted. Yeah, they want the banks to keep multiplying the money supply. They know this thats why they voted Obama because obama is going to give the banks more responsibilities. In fact the last election that is all they talked about. The various money creation theories and why in fact we just have the best one. Nice, Nice little world you live in.
in my "little world" this statement:
There is no money creation education in any of our public high schools.
is demonstrably false, and when thats false your argument that there is a conspiracy behind it falls apart

KoihimeNakamura
13th July 2009, 01:36 AM
Defaultxbe
In your little world everyone walking the streets know exactly how money comes into circulation, because they were drilled about this in high school. Equally, everyone in your little world is crying out for their wages to become diluted. Yeah, they want the banks to keep multiplying the money supply. They know this thats why they voted Obama because obama is going to give the banks more responsibilities. In fact the last election that is all they talked about. The various money creation theories and why in fact we just have the best one. Nice, Nice little world you live in.

Actually, they probably dont' care. Secondly, good strawman. I'd be serious but lol straw.

LightinDarkness
13th July 2009, 02:54 AM
lightindarkness
What exactly was debunked,

Everything that you've brought up this far that I've read.


that there is no inflation,

Psst - inflation would even occur if we went back to bartering.


that bank dont create money out of thin air.

Demonstrably false. No money is created out of thin air, never has been. The money supply is increased by the creation of treasury notes.


That megabuck campaign contributions dont exist,

Campaign Finance Reform


that there are no lobbyist?

Because lobbyists are conspiracies.


Perhaps you think that fractional reserve banking dont allow banks to create money? maybe fractional reserve banking came from China? Let me guess ... you were sleeping during those money creation courses?

Nope, aced them all. They weren't money creation courses though, since money is not created like you think it is. Fractional reserve banking doesn't come from china. And it doesn't allow banks to "create" money.

CORed
13th July 2009, 11:30 AM
There was a time when there was no fractional reserve banking, a golden age when the only money was gold and silver. What do we call that golden age now? The dark ages. What catastrophes resulted when we modified the rules to allow the nefarious practices of fractional reserve banking, convertible money, and finally fiat money?

Let's see, the Renaissance, followed by the Industrial Revolution. Damn! What were we thinking?

se7ensnakes
13th July 2009, 11:59 AM
Cored
There was a time when government made money available as a means of exchange between goods. And things were good, the people and the government coexisted happily but then...came the money changers manipulating and cornering the market, then, the once mighty Roman empire plunged into the dark ages.
Cored
You believe that there are only two money theories?
1) Have private companies just issue currency?\.
2) Only gold and silver as money.
You need more reading...

se7ensnakes
13th July 2009, 12:07 PM
lightindarkness
Who Creates Money?
Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve
System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the
public.
Who Creates Money?
Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve
System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the
public.
Who Creates Money?
Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve
System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the
public.
Who Creates Money?
Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve
System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the
public.
Who Creates Money?
Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve
System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the
public.
Who Creates Money?
Changes in the quantity of money may originate with actions of the Federal Reserve
System (the central bank), depository institutions (principally commercial banks), or the
public. The major control, however, rests with the central bank.

MODERN MONEY MECHANICS
A Workbook on Bank Reserves and Deposit Expansion
Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago
http://www.rayservers.com/images/ModernMoneyMechanics.pdf

The actual process of money creation takes place primarily in banks.(1) (http://landru.i-link-2.net/monques/)As noted
earlier, checkable liabilities of banks are money.

thought_fugitive
13th July 2009, 12:47 PM
Maybe he can't read.

dudalb
13th July 2009, 01:04 PM
Cored
There was a time when government made money available as a means of exchange between goods. And things were good, the people and the government coexisted happily but then...came the money changers manipulating and cornering the market, then, the once mighty Roman empire plunged into the dark ages.
Cored
You believe that there are only two money theories?
1) Have private companies just issue currency?\.
2) Only gold and silver as money.
You need more reading...

Fiat Money caused the Fall of The Roman Empire??/
Funny, I could have sworn the Barbarian Invasions had a lot to do with it.

As for the OP's "Fiat Currency Is The Source Of All Evil" theory.....

:deadhorse

Phrost
13th July 2009, 01:10 PM
Why do all nutters post in non-default fonts? Happens on my boards too, like it's a law or something.

linusrichard
13th July 2009, 02:07 PM
Why do all nutters post in non-default fonts? Happens on my boards too, like it's a law or something.

Posting in the default font means you're contracting with the sovereign, and subjects you and your strawman to the jurisdiction of the admiralty court.

CurtC
13th July 2009, 02:31 PM
So, what's the solution?

I think he must want a law that no one can make loans.

Or, that finance people can no longer define "money supply" in such a way that the measure of it includes all sides of the transaction.

Because as long as you have loans, and we're using the term "money supply" to include all sides of that transaction, then the money supply will increase (money is created) whenever anyone makes a loan.

So, Mr. Snakes, your brother-in-law could no longer float you a ten-spot to buy that sixpack of beer. Yes, that's a good use of government laws. Throw you both in jail!

JoeyDonuts
13th July 2009, 02:48 PM
Why do all nutters post in non-default fonts? Happens on my boards too, like it's a law or something.

:dl:

defaultdotxbe
13th July 2009, 04:17 PM
Why do all nutters post in non-default fonts? Happens on my boards too, like it's a law or something.
my guess is its because they copy and paste from one forum/blog to another, the font copies with it

Cl1mh4224rd
13th July 2009, 04:51 PM
my guess is its because they copy and paste from one forum/blog to another, the font copies with it


A Google search turned up nothing but this very thread. My guess is he typed it up in Microsoft Word (or similar) and is using the WYSIWYG editor for posting here. They tend to retain formatting from documents and emails.

Brainache
13th July 2009, 05:19 PM
Brainache
Clearly the solution is not within your capability.

I never claimed it was. I asked for your solution (something which I'm still waiting for).

I then presented a ridiculous scenario, because that's what I like to do when I'm interacting with nutters.

Doctor Evil
13th July 2009, 07:26 PM
Fiat Money caused the Fall of The Roman Empire??/
Funny, I could have sworn the Barbarian Invasions had a lot to do with it.

As for the OP's "Fiat Currency Is The Source Of All Evil" theory.....

:deadhorse

Nitpick:

Actually, the amount of gold and silver in coins declined during the empire, though there were attempts by some emperors (Diocletian) to reverse this tendency.

Anyway, probably 'the' major cause for the fall of the empire was the constant infighting, where new claimants would try to get the 'throne' by force. As a result emperors would reduce the strength of armies not under their direct control, which would leave large areas under-protected, and therefore vulnerable to barbarian invasions.

dropzone
13th July 2009, 08:14 PM
I never owned a Fiat, myself, but my brother did and if they make money as well as they did the 1971 Fiat 128, there is no surprise the world is in this state.

ETA: I may be stupid enough to leave out an important "is," but I'm smart enough to notice it. ;)

JimBenArm
13th July 2009, 08:18 PM
Actually, I owned a Fiat. It was an X 1/9. Metallic green with gold trim. It was a fun car to drive, when it actually did run. If I'd known it created money, I never would have traded it. Gee, the things you learn from stupid people on the internet...

dudalb
14th July 2009, 12:07 PM
my guess is its because they copy and paste from one forum/blog to another, the font copies with it


Nah, my guess is it is deliberate, in an attempt to show how "daring',"unconventional' and "individual" they are.
After all the basic emotional goal for a lot of them is to attract attention to themselves.

The Platypus
14th July 2009, 12:55 PM
The biggest all consuming conspiracy of all time is:

Conspiracies theories are really just one big conspiracy! :jaw-dropp

LOL :D

jsiv
14th July 2009, 02:46 PM
It took him 1,733 words to describe it.

It's certainly the biggest conspiracy theory I've seen on the JREF board.

defaultdotxbe
14th July 2009, 03:00 PM
It took him 1,733 words to describe it.

It's certainly the biggest conspiracy theory I've seen on the JREF board.
1733 is a cyclic permutation of 7331, which backwards is 1337, im sure we can work that in the conspiracy somehow


(for those not in the know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet)

dropzone
14th July 2009, 08:22 PM
What I loved about the Illuminatus trilogy was that the authors attempted to create a Grand Unified Conspiracy Theory. Being mostly sane and not believing particularly in any of them meant they weren't entirely successful. What it takes is someone who can make "solid" connections between thousands of facts and factoids, and that takes a schizophrenic.

MattusMaximus
15th July 2009, 01:53 PM
Yawn. Sorry, but by my criteria this isn't even close to a MEGA-conspiracy. You have to do better than that... try taking a note from David Icke, the (in my humble opinion) king of all CT nutters.

Bobert
15th July 2009, 05:02 PM
I think I missed the part where you pitch a DVD or attempt to push traffic towards a certain website.
EXACTLY!
What is with the large amount of hit and run truther posters we are getting that IMHO are just cut, copying, and pasting from other sources?
Its like they are too lazy to compose a couple paragraph topic.
Oh wait I think I just answered my own question.

se7ensnakes
16th July 2009, 06:06 AM
I am waiting for an informed response from someone on this forum. No one has posted anything which is relevant to my posting and has indicated somekind of knowledge about the trillion dollar debt. I review the posting every so often, when someone post something relevant and informed I will respond.

JimBenArm
16th July 2009, 06:19 AM
I am waiting for an informed response from someone on this forum. No one has posted anything which is relevant to my posting and has indicated somekind of knowledge about the trillion dollar debt. I review the posting every so often, when someone post something relevant and informed I will respond.
Waiting on you to do the same. Especially the "informed" part.

se7ensnakes
17th July 2009, 09:00 AM
for days now we have seen the exposure that the new supreme justice nominee have received. Why can we have this for the board of governors? Why is the board of governors allow to hold meetings under secrecy and allow only certain items in the meeting to be audited later...
What a scam...

Travis
17th July 2009, 09:31 AM
Oh, great. Now we'll be heading into "the Fed has never been audited" woo land.

se7ensnakes
17th July 2009, 10:24 AM
Brainache
The solution is to expose monetary policy. It is the job of congress job to oversee the money creation, if congress decides to turn it over to a second party that wants independence and secrecy then thats a problem. Who can you trust with controlling money secretly? We need media exposure as to the selections of board of governor members. Just as you are now seeing with sonya sotomayor, the grilling and questioning. Well we need that for any political member who decides to control the money supply. Right there big and bright with media cameras, telling us what he plans to do with the money supply. And if he fails he is kicked out and someone else is voted in. Then, as far as banks are concern, they should be forced to stop the money creation. No more phantom checkbook and on demand money accounts. If there is going to be any money creation it should be up to congress and again, with full media exposure. There needs to be a review of the treasury bonds - debt situation and most certainly eliminated. There are a variety of economic models, and even strictly keynesians models. Right now we are force to choose a model which benefits bankers.

se7ensnakes
17th July 2009, 10:30 AM
We dont need the board of governors meeting to be audited. we need them on CSPAN or in the New York times, or download minutes of european central bank meeting with ben bernanke. We need it all. We, the people, need to hear every detail of what goes on in those meetings. And we should be allowed to vote those who make bad choices

se7ensnakes
17th July 2009, 10:32 AM
I should say the Open Market Committee meetings full exposure to the public.