Policeman chases 3 Tall beings near crop circle

[hamelekim]

Interesting account from a police officer. Of course no physical evidence or video so it's up to you whether you think he saw what he says he saw.


A very significant event has occurred within the Alert date period and also the defined location: i.e.: 7th July 2009, Silbury Hill, Wiltshire, England. Crop Circle located south west of the hill off the A4 highway.


This is the same location where on the 23 May 1994, four researchers (including one nuclear scientist) visiting a crop design in this field, witnessed intense military presence moments before they each experienced 45 minutes missing time and within a short while a further period of missing time. Each had red marks appear on their necks and had severe nose bleeds hours later. A full account is held in CPR Archive.


This is also the site of a secret military stake out which
took place during the 1990 Operation Blackbird, where over these fields a large unidentified white orb was filmed by the army present.


The latest bizarre event took place yesterday morning (7th) at approximately 5.0 AM, when a Wiltshire Police Sergeant was driving in his private car towards Marlborough on the A4 highway and about to pass Silbury Hill on his left. He looked to his right and witnessed three exceptionally tall beings inspecting the new crop circle which appeared there on the 5th July. He stopped his vehicle and watched them for several minutes because they stood out as odd. Each of them were well over six feet tall, each had blond hair and also they all were wearing one piece white suites, with hoods that had been dropped onto the back of their heads.


After a few minutes watching them, he said they were appeared to be examining the crop in the circle, he shouted at them from a distance of about 400 yards but they ignored him. As soon as he entered the field, they became aware of him and ran at an amazing speed to the south, away from Silbury Hill. He said I recognised that I could never catch up with them they ran so exceptionally fast. He glanced away for just a few seconds and looked back to find that they had completely vanished. He became very uneasy and left the scene.


The police officer was very aware of hearing a static crackling sound in the field and around him. He said as the plants moved around, he could see the movement coincided with the level of sound, as if the static was effecting the plants by moving them.


He also started to experience a headache in the field, which became worse as the day went on
and he could not shake it off all day.

[rsaavedra]

Each of them were well over six feet tall

ran at an amazing speed


Jumping stilts (http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2006/09/jumping_stilts_provides_instant_boost.html)

[makaya325]

They were probably wearing suits as a caution for microwave radiation.

[BTMO]

So... a bunch of six foot tall uni students, wearing white coveralls, were able to outrun a middle aged, donut-packed copper (with a headache) on his way home from a long shift.

Will the universe ever cease to amaze...?

[hamelekim]

You people are so cynical.

[BTMO]

You people are so cynical.

Hey - all we need is a little (objective) proof....

:bgrin:

[Franklin]

Yes, let's use all of our technology that enables us to travel among the stars to visit Earth and go to an obscure field somewhere and create a "crop circle" and then run away if anyone shows up.

Don't forget the magnafocustron that generates headaches just to make it really wierd, and screw with their minds. Aren't starships great ? You can just accomplish so much !

[makaya325]

Something better than "I saw three 6ft beings running in a crop circle! Instead of considering hoaxers, They must be aliens or government officials!".

[Whiplash]

Clearly these were bigfoot.

[makaya325]

Clearly these were bigfoot.

Or Pauly Shore looking for a movie contract.

[quarky]

More believable if they'd been black.

[Marduk]

More believable if they'd been black.

in wiltshire that would have been well against probability

[makaya325]

More believable if they'd been black.

Does it really matter if they are anything other than green?

[EeneyMinnieMoe]

So... a bunch of six foot tall uni students, wearing white coveralls, were able to outrun a middle aged, donut-packed copper (with a headache) on his way home from a long shift.

Will the universe ever cease to amaze...?

Your part of the world also stereotypes cops as eating donuts? That's amazing; I thought that was a (mostly false and unfair but containing a grain of truth) stereotype only New York City and maybe Chicago and LA has.

The power of suggestion and preconceived notions should also be taken into account. A witness sees crop circles. He has often heard that aliens are suspected of making crop circles. He sees someone there and they quickly run away from him. Of course his first thought is "Aliens!".

The same way that a person visiting a forest where Bigfoot is often said to live might see or hear something strange or scary in the woods and instantly think "Bigfoot!", even if he or she isn't into cryptozoology and didn't set out to hunt anything. Whereas a tourist who has never even heard of such a thing as Bigfoot would naturally attribute it to something else and perhaps instead instantly think "Oh no! A bear!", "Ghost!", "Other hikers?", "Dangerous transients!" or "The rangers coming to ticket us for the campfire".

If you had never heard of sea monsters, apemen, aliens, ghosts, etc., would you ever experience them? Would anyone ever report seeing them? Ghosts, maybe, since the belief in them is so amazingly universal and spans so much geography and time. The others, no.

[Robster, FCD]

Its incredible how fast a person can run when a cop is chasing them. Almost like we evolved some kind of fight or flight mechanism.

[Aepervius]

So whatv was the alcoholemy of the cop at that time... ? I am not saying the cop is an alcoholic, I am just saying there are detail we do not know and are now unverifiable which might be important ;).

[makaya325]

Its incredible how fast a person can run when a cop is chasing them. Almost like we evolved some kind of fight or flight mechanism.

It IS the definition of fight or flight. Lol.

I agree that it is an amazing evolutionary adaption given to man.

[BTMO]

Your part of the world also stereotypes cops as eating donuts? That's amazing; I thought that was a (mostly false and unfair but containing a grain of truth) stereotype only New York City and maybe Chicago and LA has.

No, not really - but it is such a cultural landmark, I knew I could get away with using it.

However, cops the world over do girth out a bit as they move up through the ranks.

Incidentally, the NZ police commissioner's name is Howard Broad.

Description obvious...

[realpaladin]

Tall? 6 foot? I am 6 foot 2? And I consider myself pretty average...

[hamelekim]

Its incredible how fast a person can run when a cop is chasing them. Almost like we evolved some kind of fight or flight mechanism.

You weren't there to see how fast they were running, so you cannot make that judgement. Essentially you are saying that his sense of their speed was mistaken, but what do you base that off of? Do you know how good of a judge he is at telling the difference between a jog, run, sprint, or something faster?

[makaya325]

Especially in 6 foot tall crops.

[7th sextile]

Tall? 6 foot? I am 6 foot 2? And I consider myself pretty average...

Ever noticed your screen name anagrams to "rad alien pal"?

[Lucian]

You weren't there to see how fast they were running, so you cannot make that judgement. Essentially you are saying that his sense of their speed was mistaken, but what do you base that off of? Do you know how good of a judge he is at telling the difference between a jog, run, sprint, or something faster?

What is the source for the quote in the OP? If you included one, I missed it; this is entirely possible, as I'm very sleepy and frequently unobservant. If it's a published account, though, it's rather poorly proofread. I'm not sure what "white suites" are, for instance.

[Marduk]

http://www.colinandrews.net/UnexplainedPhenomenaAlert.html

the op's account is from Colin Andrews, he is to crop circle research what David Icke is to xenobiology, a nut, he recently claimed that he was contacted by a C.I.A. mole who attempted to hire him to debunk the fact that "the Aliens" or possibly "the Russians" were responsible
http://www.cropcircles.net/cia.htm
:D
heres his latest offering

Following the report on Monday ( 6th July) by a police sergeant of three extremely tall beings he
witnessed in a field near Silbury Hill, Wiltshire, England and the posting on this website
( http://www.colinandrews.net/UnexplainedPhenomenaAlert.html ), I have received several other
reports, and I encourage others who have information to also please contact me.

One report is extraordinary and allegedly received the immediate attention, of a government
organization to the home of the witness. I asked for written details about this exceptional (and
some what scary) case and received those details last night. I will not be making any further public
statement about the details until they can be fully verified, only to say this:

I trust my source in Washington DC implicitly and he trusts the originating source but to get to the
bottom of it, I am going to have to do some leg work, best done quietly. The witness claims to have
had a very close encounter with a 8-9 feet tall being, north of Silbury Hill, in Wiltshire, England .
He was visited by three government officers (details with me) who produced a book of sketches of
different ET beings and ask the witness which one he had seen. At least two agencies were
allegedly involved which should help verify this case. Full details later.

A second report was sent to me also yesterday by a woman driving the A4 (the highway that runs
east-west next to Silbury Hill), and was driving on the east side of Marlborough, Wiltshire when she
estimates a 7-8 feet tall being came out of a gateway from a field and jumped back as the car
passed - His head appeared triangular shape. The latter incident took place three years ago. I
have details of the exact location etc, which will be posted as part of a much more extensive report
including other similar reports later.

I will pursue the first incident that involved several government agencies when I arrive in England
next week. On the face of it, the three officers from one of these agencies revealed by their
actions, that the government knows much more about these beings than they have so far
declared under the new open policy surrounding the UFO subject. (See my latest book
Government Circles.)

Colin Andrews
11 July 2009

love the washington connection and the claims that the government would need to go to a witness with alien identikits to identify something 8 feet tall, also of course see his latest book for the details

:D

[makaya325]

the op's account is from Colin Andrews, he is to crop circle research what David Icke is to xenobiology, a nut

Xenobiology? I hope you know that is the study of alien life and their chemical composition. Jack Cohen, Joel Hagen, or even Ian Stewart are way more nuttier than Icke, who is just a wacko

[Lucian]

http://www.colinandrews.net/UnexplainedPhenomenaAlert.html

the op's account is from Colin Andrews, he is to crop circle research what David Icke is to xenobiology, a nut


love the washington connection and the claims that the government would need to go to this earlier police witness with alien identikits to identify something 8 feet tall, also of course see his latest book for the details

:D

Thank you. I had just the inkling of a suspicion that the source might not be of the highest journalistic reputation, but one likes to be sure.

[Aepervius]

Tall? 6 foot? I am 6 foot 2? And I consider myself pretty average...

In some country 6'1'' is average ;) Heck in danemark 5'11'' is the male population average. See in wiki on population height statistic.

[Aepervius]

You weren't there to see how fast they were running, so you cannot make that judgement. Essentially you are saying that his sense of their speed was mistaken, but what do you base that off of? Do you know how good of a judge he is at telling the difference between a jog, run, sprint, or something faster?

I have a good experience running through 5 foot tall crop (Mais actually) as a game with other child my age, and we did that from very young up to late teens.

On my experience the sensation of speed in Mais 6' tall where possibly your horizon is not clear is completely warped, as there was no visual reference to easily gauge speed on. At time what I thought was near, was incorrectly far and vice versa. This is the same problem as guessing speed in air when you have no reference.

So from my anecdotal experience, unless the cop himself was waaay taller hovering over the mais/crop field, he could not have gotten a good sight at what he was looking at or a good grasp at is speed.

[DC]

Tall? 6 foot? I am 6 foot 2? And I consider myself pretty average...

6 foot isnt special for you Aliens.

[quarky]

Not to spoil the wonder of it all, but if people like the "Circle Makers" are willing to go to such trouble to create crop circles, it seems fair to say they might also dress up as aliens or big-feet or olympic track stars.

[gambling_cruiser]

"At approximately 5.0 AM, when a Wiltshire Police Sergeant ....
After a few minutes watching them, he said they were appeared to be examining the crop in the circle, he shouted at them from a distance of about 400 yards but they ignored him. As soon as he entered the field, they became aware of him and ran at an amazing speed to the south, away from Silbury Hill. He said I recognised that I could never catch up with them they ran so exceptionally fast. He glanced away for just a few seconds and looked back to find that they had completely vanished."

How stupid must someone be to try to outrun anyone in a cropfield with a handicap of some hundred yards? Must be really hard to hide in a cropfield from a single cop.

[Evolved Wookie]

The notion that aliens would visit anywhere so close to Swindon is...depressing. Phenomenal cosmic power! Really poor travel-agent.

Still - it might go some way towards explaining this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon))

[realpaladin]

Ever noticed your screen name anagrams to "rad alien pal"?

You just doomed this planet by finding that out... I have to press the button on the doomsday device.

It is hidden underneath the crop-circle...

eh... darn... this will take while...

[realpaladin]

6 foot isnt special for you Aliens.

Yes, that is why we have chosen the Northern Parts of Europe to roam about. If only those tourists would stay away then we could....

[DC]

Yes, that is why we have chosen the Northern Parts of Europe to roam about. If only those tourists would stay away then we could....

legally selling Canabis isnt exactly a good way to keep away tourists :D

since the Police in Basel shut down all the hempshops, we have alot less short time tourists from France and Germany :D

[realpaladin]

legally selling Canabis isnt exactly a good way to keep away tourists :D

since the Police in Basel shut down all the hempshops, we have alot less short time tourists from France and Germany :D

True, but nobody believes the ones that do come! :D

[aggle-rithm]

Something better than "I saw three 6ft beings running in a crop circle! Instead of considering hoaxers, They must be aliens or government officials!".

Or the Rutgers women's basketball team.

[Foster Zygote]

You people are so cynical.

So tell us what you think of this account.

[Marduk]

I think that Colin Andrews is probably paranoid delusional and sees aliens wherever he goes, hes wasted in this field (haha) he should be working for the government in anti terrorism, that way he could farm out his knowledge to a circle of trainees. Is this too corny ?
:D

[CORed]

Horses?

[leafman91]

So... a bunch of six foot tall uni students, wearing white coveralls, were able to outrun a middle aged, donut-packed copper (with a headache) on his way home from a long shift.

Will the universe ever cease to amaze...?

Ah, but in Britain the donut packed coppers are few and far in between.

[leafman91]

It's interesting how you guys have pounced on the latest account from the officer but have completely failed to address the other two sightings, both mentioned at the start of the article.

What is a CPR?

[Marduk]

It's interesting how you guys have pounced on the latest account from the officer but have completely failed to address the other two sightings, both mentioned at the start of the article.

What is a CPR?

are you serious, the other two incidents one in 1990 and the other in 1994 have no connection to this, they were 19 and 15 years ago respectively, and whats more, the only source again is Colin Andrews, don't take my word for it, as he has stated in every article I have ever read on him, "buy his new book"

really I would have said that you couldn't make it up, but obviously someone has, shall we guess in whos book we'll find the answers
:D

CPR, either cardiopulmonary resuscitation or Circles Phenomenon Research International i.e. the source for all this, i.e. Colin Andrews

[EHocking]

It's interesting how you guys have pounced on the latest account from the officer but have completely failed to address the other two sightings, both mentioned at the start of the article.From past experience with this particular flavour of "researchers", the tales the tell are usually very far from the truth. The phrase, "whole cloth" springs to mind, as does, "complete lie"...
What is a CPR?My guess would be Circle Phenomenon Research. Colin Andrews' website name.

[leafman91]

Next question:
Who is Colin Andrews?

[Marduk]

Next question:
Who is Colin Andrews?

no, next question is why are you asking us, surely you already know

[rsaavedra]

Next question:
Who is Colin Andrews?
Next question, is it so hard to Google it? ;)

[Skeptical Greg]

6 foot isnt special for you Aliens.

Since when ? I thought most Aliens were around 3 feet .. The workers, anyway.

You wouldn't have 3 managers ( the tall ones ), at one crop circle location ..

[Christian Klippel]

Since when ? I thought most Aliens were around 3 feet .. The workers, anyway.

You wouldn't have 3 managers ( the tall ones ), at one crop circle location ..

Unless it was a board meeting of the GalaxianCropCircles Corporation, debating what to do about the current decline in crop circle sales.

I mean, who are we to say that only our economy goes down? It could be an intergalactic phenomen, ya'know?

:D

Greetings,

Chris

[Bikewer]

The rest of the article posted sounds as if someone had been watching too many repeats of the X-Files....

[Sunray Breaker]

You weren't there to see how fast they were running, so you cannot make that judgement. Essentially you are saying that his sense of their speed was mistaken, but what do you base that off of? Do you know how good of a judge he is at telling the difference between a jog, run, sprint, or something faster?
I do know that he's not an expert in the field of jogging, running, sprinting, etc...Unless of course he had that trusty radar gun of his.

And besides, we weren't trying to spook the poor dude, just playing a prank on old man Withers from down the way, didn't think it'd make a police report or the news. Jeez!!!

Oh crap, my covers blown...Quick, I need an Alibi.

Franklin!!!

If anyone asks I was at your place making cookies for the "Feeding Orphans Of Reptilian Ancestry Bake Sale".

[Marduk]

I contacted Wiltshire police by telephone, its ok don't thank me it was just a local rate call, I am about 20 miles away from Silbury
interesting isn't it that DeepThroat Colin has heard about this incident all the way from his home in the U.S. but they haven't. They did tell me that they have a number of crop circle makers appearing in court in the next few months for criminal damage, but weren't sure if any of them were over 6 feet tall but assured me that they were fully human and when apprehended did not display any inhuman speed
:D

[Z]

The notion that aliens would visit anywhere so close to Swindon is...depressing. Phenomenal cosmic power! Really poor travel-agent.

Still - it might go some way towards explaining this. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon))

I believe it was Joan Rivers, years ago, who mentioned this observation: Aliens never land in London, or Chicago, or Paris - it's always a golf course or farm in Loxahatchee or some other place where paved roads are a new convenience, where a couple of drunk or stoned hicks are gaping open-jawed. 'Did you see that, Clem?' 'Yeah, Wilbur. Let's turn it over and see who made it...'

[kerikiwi]

You people don't seem to be treating this at all seriously...

[Marduk]

You people don't seem to be treating this at all seriously...
Thats because its clearly nonsense !
;)

[leafman91]

I just visited Colin Andrew's website. He is a man of good morals, it seems, which is more than what can be said for some. You've probably put your own time into debunking his work, and that's fair enough. At least he promotes having a strong conscience. Honestly, people like Robert Mugabe and O Sama Bin Laden perform atrocities daily. Worse yet, there are people with a good deal of power willing to sit back and call it someone elses problem.

[Aepervius]

You people don't seem to be treating this at all seriously...

Oh, but we are giving it the seriousness level it really require. heck someboy even went beyond that and apparently if one is to believe the post, somebody even called the PD of the city where is allegedly happened. (and apparently did not). IMHO this was overkill. This could have stayed on the locker boy school humour level and still be too serious for the real seriousness degreee this type of story should require : it is all *risible* as in "laughable".

[kerikiwi]

I just visited Colin Andrew's website. He is a man of good morals, it seems, which is more than what can be said for some. You've probably put your own time into debunking his work, and that's fair enough. At least he promotes having a strong conscience. Honestly, people like Robert Mugabe and O Sama Bin Laden perform atrocities daily. Worse yet, there are people with a good deal of power willing to sit back and call it someone elses problem.

And this has to do with aliens galloping through the fields how? :boggled:
Call what someone else's problem?

[BTMO]

You people don't seem to be treating this at all seriously...

I disagree.

I feel that it is being dealt with precisely the correct degree of seriousness.

[kerikiwi]

I disagree.

I feel that it is being dealt with precisely the correct degree of seriousness.

As I said, not treating it at all seriously.:)

[Marduk]

heck someboy even went beyond that and apparently if one is to believe the post, somebody even called the PD of the city where is allegedly happened. (and apparently did not). IMHO this was overkill.

don't get caught up in calling suppliers of any new evidence a liar
It wasn't overkill, with my phone package I get free national and local calls so it cost me nothing. If it had cost me something I wouldn't have bothered. I don't regard free follow up research as overkill. If you want evidence I'll upload my phone bill and you can check the telephone number against the wiltshire police website where I got it from
http://www.wiltshire.police.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=219&Itemid=224

[BTMO]

don't get caught up in calling suppliers of any new evidence a liar
It wasn't overkill, with my phone package I get free national and local calls so it cost me nothing. If it had cost me something I wouldn't have bothered. I don't regard free follow up research as overkill. If you want evidence I'll upload my phone bill and you can check the telephone number against the wiltshire police website where I got it from
http://www.wiltshire.police.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=219&Itemid=224


Don't forget - to the true believers, absence of evidence is evidence of evidence...

[dudalb]

You weren't there to see how fast they were running, so you cannot make that judgement. Essentially you are saying that his sense of their speed was mistaken, but what do you base that off of? Do you know how good of a judge he is at telling the difference between a jog, run, sprint, or something faster?


Really trying to talk yourself in believing the cops were chasing aliens, are'nt you?

[ExMinister]

I contacted Wiltshire police by telephone, its ok don't thank me it was just a local rate call, I am about 20 miles away from Silbury
interesting isn't it that DeepThroat Colin has heard about this incident all the way from his home in the U.S. but they haven't. They did tell me that they have a number of crop circle makers appearing in court in the next few months for criminal damage, but weren't sure if any of them were over 6 feet tall but assured me that they were fully human and when apprehended did not display any inhuman speed
:D

Nice work. Funny thing, having a number of crop circle makers about to appear in court is something that might undermine my alien-created-the-crop-circles theories if I had any. Doesn't seem to be doing that with this group.

[Questioninggeller]

This is the same location where on the 23 May 1994, four researchers (including one nuclear scientist) visiting a crop design in this field, witnessed intense military presence moments before they each experienced 45 minutes missing time and within a short while a further period of missing time.

Source (http://veritasshow.blogspot.com/2009/07/important-event-has-taken-place-on-date.html)



Is that nuclear scientist Stanton Friedman (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman)?

Interesting account from a police officer. Of course no physical evidence or video so it's up to you whether you think he saw what he says he saw.

Considering the source and the lack of empirical corroboration, it's safe to conclude there is still no evidence on aliens from outerspace.

[Caradoc]

The account says they were over 6' tall and had hoods pulled back from their heads. It also says he viewed them from 400 meters. That's a bit over 1,200 feet here in the states, AKA a little less than a quarter of a mile. That's a remarkably accurate description from that distance. Did this cop have some kind of mega-lasix surgery done?

[EHocking]

Oh, but we are giving it the seriousness level it really require. heck someboy even went beyond that and apparently if one is to believe the post, somebody even called the PD of the city where is allegedly happened. (and apparently did not). IMHO this was overkill.I have to disagree. The "croppers" will continue to repeat these invented stories as true. A lie begets a lie and their definition of fact is "anecdote repeated".

You can guarantee that the in the very near future a crop circle "news" item will circulate with this story as supporting evidence - just as the one we're discussing here did.

A simple phone call to the source has effectively exposed this story for what it is, a "story".This could have stayed on the locker boy school humour level and still be too serious for the real seriousness degreee this type of story should require : it is all *risible* as in "laughable".Most of the woo discussed here is, but since one of the points of the forum is to investigate stories such as this to enlighten the interested masses, I can't see what the fuss is?

[Foster Zygote]

I contacted Wiltshire police by telephone, its ok don't thank me it was just a local rate call, I am about 20 miles away from Silbury
interesting isn't it that DeepThroat Colin has heard about this incident all the way from his home in the U.S. but they haven't. They did tell me that they have a number of crop circle makers appearing in court in the next few months for criminal damage, but weren't sure if any of them were over 6 feet tall but assured me that they were fully human and when apprehended did not display any inhuman speed
:D

Isn't it obvious? The real Wiltshire police department staff was abducted and replaced with alien generated clones to cover up the evidence of the alien adolescent's late night beer party, lest their parents find out.

[jakesteele]

Something better than "I saw three 6ft beings running in a crop circle! Instead of considering hoaxers, They must be aliens or government officials!".


...exceptionally tall beings inspecting the new crop circle which appeared there on the 5th July. He stopped his vehicle and watched them for several minutes because they stood out as odd. Each of them were well over six feet tall


Where did you get 6 foot from?

[jakesteele]

Tall? 6 foot? I am 6 foot 2? And I consider myself pretty average...

...exceptionally tall beings inspecting the new crop circle which appeared there on the 5th July. He stopped his vehicle and watched them for several minutes because they stood out as odd. Each of them were well over six feet tall

Why did you say 6 feet?

[jakesteele]

In some country 6'1'' is average ;) Heck in danemark 5'11'' is the male population average. See in wiki on population height statistic.



...exceptionally tall beings inspecting the new crop circle which appeared there on the 5th July. He stopped his vehicle and watched them for several minutes because they stood out as odd. Each of them were well over six feet tall

[jakesteele]

Don't forget - to the true believers, absence of evidence is evidence of evidence...

And then there's the James Randi brand of "True Believer"

"absense of evidence is evidence of absense"

[rsaavedra]

Each of them were well over six feet tall
By the way, what height would that approximately correspond to? Would it be 10 feet, or more than 12 feet, or just 6.5 feet maybe?

In other words, if "well over N" is equal to K*N, then what is the approximate value of said K:

a) 1 < K < 1.25
b) 1.25 <= K < 1.75
c) K >= 1.75

(I'm not a native English speaker, so this is a true English question)

[EHocking]

Nice work. Funny thing, having a number of crop circle makers about to appear in court is something that might undermine my alien-created-the-crop-circles theories if I had any. Doesn't seem to be doing that with this group.An odd coincidence, someone has been arrested for firing a shotgun over the heads of tourists coming into a field to look at a crop circle near Devizes, Wiltshire.

A spokesman for the force could not confirm whether the man worked on the land. (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090715/tuk-man-held-after-crop-circle-shooting-6323e80.html)

[Skeptical Greg]

And then there's the James Randi brand of "True Believer"

"absense of evidence is evidence of absense"

You mean it's not ?

[Marduk]

By the way, what height would that approximately correspond to? Would it be 10 feet, or more than 12 feet, or just 6.5 feet maybe?

In other words, if "well over N" is equal to K*N, then what is the approximate value of said K:

a) 1 < K < 1.25
b) 1.25 <= K < 1.75
c) K >= 1.75

(I'm not a native English speaker, so this is a true English question)

In English it is appropriate to describe someone by the closest height in feet. So if they were nearer 7 feet tall you would describe them as "almost seven feet"
as he specified "well over 6 feet tall" he was describing something as between "6'2 and 6'6"
;)
but this is elementary, because there is no evidence that the individual who allegedly made this statement actually exists

[Marduk]

An odd coincidence, someone has been arrested for firing a shotgun over the heads of tourists coming into a field to look at a crop circle near Devizes, Wiltshire.

A spokesman for the force could not confirm whether the man worked on the land. (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090715/tuk-man-held-after-crop-circle-shooting-6323e80.html)

due to gun licensing laws in the UK, if he wasn't a farm worker then he had to have been put up to it by one, only farmers can legally own shotguns and hold them outside because they are an essential farming tool (yup I think thats nuts too). I'd like to know if he reportedly shouted "get orrf my laaand you basteds " when he pulled the trigger
:p

[rsaavedra]

but this is elementary, because there is no evidence that the individual who allegedly made this statement actually exists

Thanks Marduk. And certainly, my question was just to better understand what the height in that statement would have been.

[EHocking]

due to gun licensing laws in the UK, if he wasn't a farm worker then he had to have been put up to it by one, only farmers can legally own shotguns and hold them outside because they are an essential farming tool (yup I think thats nuts too). I'd like to know if he reportedly shouted "get orrf my laaand you basteds " when he pulled the trigger
:pWould this work with a Norwegian accent?
Eye witness Eva-Marie Brekkesbo, 47, one of the Norwegian crop circle party, said: "We were making our way into the field when we heard a gun shot, followed by another and finally a voice shouting: 'Get out the field! This is private property (http://m.telegraph.co.uk/article/5833631/).'

[Marduk]

Would this work with a Norwegian accent?
Eye witness Eva-Marie Brekkesbo, 47, one of the Norwegian crop circle party, said: "We were making our way into the field when we heard a gun shot, followed by another and finally a voice shouting: 'Get out the field! This is private property (http://m.telegraph.co.uk/article/5833631/).'

yup, she seems to be paraphrasing "get orf my land"
so we can see from this latest bit of research that the farmer is about to have his gun license revoked eh, if they were argentinian or iraqi tourists of course he would have been issued with a gpmg

awesome.
thanks

[kerikiwi]

only farmers can legally own shotguns and hold them outside because they are an essential farming tool (yup I think thats nuts too).
:p
Definitely. We rural types know that the best way to catch a rabbit is to run it down...

[Marduk]

totally agree, doesn't matter that the heads are smashed, I never eat that bit anyway
:D

[dafydd]

Yes, let's use all of our technology that enables us to travel among the stars to visit Earth and go to an obscure field somewhere and create a "crop circle" and then run away if anyone shows up.

Don't forget the magnafocustron that generates headaches just to make it really wierd, and screw with their minds. Aren't starships great ? You can just accomplish so much !

Well aliens have teenagers too you know.

[jakesteele]

By the way, what height would that approximately correspond to? Would it be 10 feet, or more than 12 feet, or just 6.5 feet maybe?

In other words, if "well over N" is equal to K*N, then what is the approximate value of said K:

a) 1 < K < 1.25
b) 1.25 <= K < 1.75
c) K >= 1.75

(I'm not a native English speaker, so this is a true English question)

It wouldn't be 6 foot even. I posted that mainly because the report said, "Well over 6 foot, and exceptionally tall" which is not 6 foot even. A number of people immediatley tried to diminish, downplay and minimize that aspect of the report so as to better fit it into their reality tunnel.

[jakesteele]

You mean it's not ?


If there's not enough evidence to fit your criteria then you don't think it exists.

[BTMO]

Definitely. We rural types know that the best way to catch a rabbit is to run it down...


Where I grew up, we just shot them in the spine...

[Cuddles]

It wouldn't be 6 foot even. I posted that mainly because the report said, "Well over 6 foot, and exceptionally tall" which is not 6 foot even. A number of people immediatley tried to diminish, downplay and minimize that aspect of the report so as to better fit it into their reality tunnel.

Well, there are two points here. Firstly, as has just been explained, saying "well over 6 foot" implies that they were in fact considerably less than 7 foot, otherwise there is no particular reason to have chosen the number 6. It is possible that he chose 6 foot to imply that they were much taller than any human could have been, but that is certainly not clear from his words, and he would have done well to make that much more explicit if that is what he actually meant.

Secondly, and actually much more importantly, is the fact that there is no way for him to have judged their height in the first place. The closest he came to them was around 400m. It's simply not possible for him to know how tall they were. There really is nothing interesting about a story that is nothing more than three human-shaped things running away from the police when caught trespassing, and there is no information to suggest they were anything other than human.

If there's not enough evidence to fit your criteria then you don't think it exists.

Well yes. If there's no evidence something exists, we tend to assume that it doesn't exist. That is what is often termed "common sense" or "sanity".

[BTMO]

Secondly, and actually much more importantly, is the fact that there is no way for him to have judged their height in the first place. The closest he came to them was around 400m. It's simply not possible for him to know how tall they were. There really is nothing interesting about a story that is nothing more than three human-shaped things running away from the police when caught trespassing, and there is no information to suggest they were anything other than human.

And another thing...

Just for fun, get 400 metres from someone, and see how many details you can pick, including estimating their height. Then yell at them (I doubt they'll hear much), and when they start running, try to catch them.

400 metres is a LONG way away!

It will take most people between 1 and 2 minutes to run that far.

[Marduk]

Where I grew up, we just shot them in the spine...

that requires

1. ammunition
2. a rifle
3. a good aim

if you drive a landrover across any field at night you will hit at least three rabbits who are hypnotised by the headlights.

You'll never feed a military platoon on rabbit stew if you expect them to rely on their skill at arms, and the calibre of weapon usually supllied would ensure that even if you did hit something, then there wouldn't be much of it left to eat.

can you guess where I learned to hunt rabbit

I wouldn't be surprised on the occaison of finding out that crop circles really were made by aliens that the idea was not to send a message to the people of earth, but just an alien version of landrover headlights

[BTMO]

can you guess where I learned to hunt rabbit

I wouldn't be surprised on the occaison of finding out that crop circles really were made by aliens that the idea was not to send a message to the people of earth, but just an alien version of landrover headlights

:)

We just use .22's...

And practice. Practice, practice, practice.

[Skeptical Greg]

If there's not enough evidence to fit your criteria then you don't think it exists.

Now it's ' not enough ' ... ?

What happened to ' absence ' ?
That's called ' moving the goal post ' ...


Any evidence is ' enough ', if it is verifiable...

[Psi Baba]

I think the policeman saw the three Van Nese brothers, who are members of THE VAN NESES, Britain's tallest family. Dad Frank is 6ft 10in, mum Miriam 5ft 11in, sons Vincent, 16, 6ft 10in, Lucas, 15, 6ft 8in and Franklin, 13, 6ft 1in. Daughter Naomi, 11, is 5ft 9in.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/2366031/Teeny-whoppers-would-tower-over-Peter-Crouch.html?print=yes

[Carnivore]

Stop press! The OPs article has received amazing corroboration today at a crop circle in Wiltshire. The "Nordics" return along with armed police,a black helicopter and a camoflauge clad vigilante. Shots fired! All reported by that respected organ the Daily Mail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199885/Masked-farm-worker-fired-shotgun-Norwegian-crop-circle-tourists-300ft-design-appeared-overnight.html). :)

" If it had been a group of aliens returning to inspect their handiwork, he would not have stood much of a chance.

Fortunately for Kenneth Wilson the 'trespassers' he confronted were visitors from this planet.

A group of Norwegian crop-circle enthusiasts had come in peace to see the latest 300ft creation in a Wiltshire field.

Mr Wilson, however, was determined to keep any intruders at bay and fired several warning shots at the group, it is alleged.

But his stand was halted by an easily identifiable flying object - a police helicopter.

Dressed in camouflage gear the 62-year-old had set up camp in the middle of the crop circle and armed himself with a shotgun.

When a group of tourists arrived to inspect the design, which is thought to represent a bird with an open beak, he opened fire and shouted at them to get off the land.

One of them, Eva- Marie Brekkesbo, 47, said: 'The gunman was dressed in full camouflage garments, had a black mask over his face and held a gun in his hands.

'When I asked him if he was the farmer, he said that he was engaged by the farmer to prevent anyone from visiting the crop circle.' "




http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/07/16/article-1199885-05B7B232000005DC-925_468x380.jpg

[Carnivore]

An odd coincidence, someone has been arrested for firing a shotgun over the heads of tourists coming into a field to look at a crop circle near Devizes, Wiltshire.

A spokesman for the force could not confirm whether the man worked on the land. (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090715/tuk-man-held-after-crop-circle-shooting-6323e80.html)

Whoops, missed this. Sorry, my bad.

[EHocking]

Whoops, missed this. Sorry, my bad.Must be a slow news day, the hacks are certainly having fun with it.

[jakesteele]

Now it's ' not enough ' ... ?

What happened to ' absence ' ?
That's called ' moving the goal post ' ...


Any evidence is ' enough ', if it is verifiable...


Moving the goal posts out? My bad. I’ll push them back in for you:

“If there isn’t any evidence to fit your criteria, then to you, it doesn’t exist.”


Or, even better:

An Objective Skeptic will say:
“absence of proof is not proof of absence”

A JR type skeptic will say:
“absence of proof is proof of absence”

[Skeptical Greg]

So now we are talking about proof instead of evidence..

Why is that ?

[jakesteele]

So now we are talking about proof instead of evidence..

Why is that ?



Either one works in the context of most of this forum’s reactions to woo:

Absense of proof is proof of absence

Absense of evidence is evidence of absence.

In the context of woo, those are accurate statements, aren’t they? If not, why?

[Stray Cat]

Sorry if I've unnecessarily bumped this thread as it's now way out of date, but couldn't help mentioning that No circlemakers have been caught since Matthew Williams was put in court and fined £100 for criminal damage many years ago. So the post about phoning Wiltshire Police doesn't ring true to me.
Maybe the poster did phone the Police station, but if that's what they told him, they were lying.
Also: it is not illegal for anyone except a farmer to have a gun in the UK, though farms are the most likely places to require going through the red tape to obtain a licence to get one.

Thirdly: Colin Andrews is a fantasist, who was presenting a lecture at the Marlborough Crop Circle Conference this year, in conjunction with his 'new book' he most likely made the whole story up in order to manipulate the crop circle websites into giving him some publicity.

Just some simple research into the facts as they were reported showed the story to be hog wash (a later edition of the story was hurriedly amended to account for the inconsistencies). The crop circle in question could not be seen form the road and therefore, the policeman (who's identity is being kept secret... probably because he doesn't exist) could not have seen the people/aliens in the crop circle. But because the police officer can not be verified anyway, it makes his testimony utterly useless.

If there were people in the the field on that morning, they had not made that crop circle, it had been reported and photographed days earlier.

Hope this adds a bit of substance to an otherwise pile of doodoo story.

[richardm]

Sorry if I've unnecessarily bumped this thread .

Not unnecessary, it's useful and interesting - especially the bit about the crop circle not being visible from the road :)

[Stray Cat]

Thanks - 'Crop Circle Researcher' researching is one of my specialities :D

[jakesteele]

Thanks - 'Crop Circle Researcher' researching is one of my specialities :D

Hey, Stray Cat, I wanted to ask you a few questions, if I may. I was wondering about the 'strange properties' alleged to occur in some circles such as the bent instead of broken stalks of wheat, the camera batteries not working, strange physical symptoms claimed by some people. Anything behind that or is it part of the 'folklore' surrounding circles?

Also, I heard somewhere that the "vast" overwhelming majority of the circles were man made, especially the more elaborate ones, but there were a few small, plain ones that appear to be the result of some sort of magnetic anomaly with the earth's magnetic field.

Also, it would seem that with all the man made ones occurring so frequently that somewhere, at some point, there would have to be a fair amount of arrests occurring for vandalism and trespassing. Also, it would seem that people would want bragging rights and tell some friends when they were drunk.

What's the scoop with these things if you can tell me. I've got a friend that's convinced they are the usual; aliens trying to contact us (I always tell him that they should just land on the White House lawn for tea and crumpets instead of giving us an alien version of sudoku)?

Thanks.

[Stray Cat]

Hey, Stray Cat, I wanted to ask you a few questions, if I may. I was wondering about the 'strange properties' alleged to occur in some circles such as the bent instead of broken stalks of wheat, the camera batteries not working, strange physical symptoms claimed by some people. Anything behind that or is it part of the 'folklore' surrounding circles?
Yes 'bent nodes' appear... usually in the early season crop circles, because Phototropism occurs in the still growing plant
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phototropism

Batteries get drained everywhere there are batteries.
Thing is, if it happens at the local shop, it doesn't mean anything. People only attach significance if it happens somewhere significant.
A friend of mine lost his cell phone in a crop circle this year. 3 weeks later when he revisited the same circle, he found it laying where it had dropped out of his pocket. He turned it on and hey presto, it still worked!

Strange Physical Symptoms are a bit more more difficult to pin down because they all seem to be reported a 'a visitor told us'... So yeah, maybe some people get a headache sometimes and again if it happens in a crop circle and someone believes the crop circle is a special place, they will attribute one to the other.

Also, I heard somewhere that the "vast" overwhelming majority of the circles were man made, especially the more elaborate ones, but there were a few small, plain ones that appear to be the result of some sort of magnetic anomaly with the earth's magnetic field.
A story usually promoted by Dowsers and connected to the lay lines theories. Again (some) crop circle researchers have a fascination with home made gadgets usually glued together from components bought in Maplins (US equivalent Radio Shack) that involve an LED coming on and a buzzer going buzz, when asked what these devices actually show, none seem to be really sure. Some use radio scanners to pick up on supposed latent microwave energies or EMF, as soon as the needle moves or the radio hisses or whatever, they claim it as anomalous. I dont think anyone has ever just walked into a crop circle filming their magnetic compass and got a result showing that it spins wildly round as they enter. :D

Also, it would seem that with all the man made ones occurring so frequently that somewhere, at some point, there would have to be a fair amount of arrests occurring for vandalism and trespassing. Also, it would seem that people would want bragging rights and tell some friends when they were drunk.
Why?
In the middle of the night, in the middle of the countryside, no one's going to see or catch you. Even the one's who claim to be specifically watching the fields for aliens making crop circles don't really watch that closely. The police recources are thinly stretched in the countryside and wouldn't be able to cover the vast tracts of open fields in Wiltshire and the farmers day is long enough so he's not going to stay up and patrol all night to catch the circlemakers. No one claims authorship of any individual circle after the fact, so proving who made what is impossible. Yes sometimes people get drunk and blab, but they either blab to people who like the whole idea or people who don't believe them anyway because they think it's beyond the capability of people to make crop circles.

What's the scoop with these things if you can tell me. I've got a friend that's convinced they are the usual; aliens trying to contact us (I always tell him that they should just land on the White House lawn for tea and crumpets instead of giving us an alien version of sudoku)?
Thanks.
The way I usually approach 'believers' is to let them know that people CAN make them. Don't try and convince them that people ARE making them, you'll be wasting your time :D

But they are Strange Attractors and if anyone wants to study 'delusional behaviour' or try to get the root of what makes people believe in ************, it's a great tool to use. And as the most recently developed 'religion' it's a fascinating subject to study.

[Marduk]

So the post about phoning Wiltshire Police doesn't ring true to me.
Maybe the poster did phone the Police station, but if that's what they told him, they were lying.

I did phone them and reported on here exacly what they said, I have no desire to add anything to the truth in order to embellish it, theres enough of that going on with crop circles already. I posted the wiltshire police website I got the number from, be a bit pointless me knowing the number and posting it and not actually making a phone call which lasted less than a minute, but I could well believe that the police are embellishing the claim that they have several people in court for it in the near future, every time I've been interviewed by the police they certainly embellished the truth in an attempt to get me to confess to their new version (I think its a standard tactic)
:D

I also filled in a request for more precise details on the incident via the contact form at the wilshire police website, but never got a reply

[Stray Cat]

Hi Marduk

I wasn't implying that you were embellishing the truth :). Sorry if my original post sounded like I was. My doubt is with what you were told by the police as no one has been arrested or charged with circlemaking (criminal damage) since the arrest and prosecution of Matt Williams 9 years ago.

[Marduk]

Hi Marduk

I wasn't implying that you were embellishing the truth :). Sorry if my original post sounded like I was. My doubt is with what you were told by the police as no one has been arrested or charged with circlemaking (criminal damage) since the arrest and prosecution of Matt Williams 9 years ago.

thats hardly surprising as only the names and details of actual convictions are released, arrests and charges are covered by the data protection act and not usually made public. whats your source on

no one has been arrested or charged with circlemaking (criminal damage) since the arrest and prosecution of Matt Williams 9 years ago
.
do you have access to the police national computer ?

;)

[Stray Cat]

No I don't have access to PNC but if a circlemaker had been arrested, I would have heard about it. ;)

[Marduk]

No I don't have access to PNC but if a circlemaker had been arrested, I would have heard about it. ;)

how ?

[Stray Cat]

By being 'in the loop'

[Marduk]

ok so someone "in the loop" has access to the police national computer then or is this loop powered by google ?
:D

[Stray Cat]

If the police arrest a circlemaker, there are two 'loops' I could possibly be in.
I am not in the Police loop.

[Yoink]

Stands to reason that circlemakers would be organized in loops.

[Stray Cat]

Those would be the circles I move in :D

[leafman91]

Well yes. If there's no evidence something exists, we tend to assume that it doesn't exist. That is what is often termed "common sense" or "sanity".

Or 'cynicism'...

[Stray Cat]

Or 'cynicism'...
Cynicism implies an underhand negative motive on behalf of that which is being dismissed.
Simply not believing something because there is no evidence to support it is common sense...

EG: Alien visitors to our planet do not exist because there is no evidence to prove they do = common sense

Aliens visitors to our planet do not exist because the Alien Autopsy film was a hoax so everything else must also be hoaxed = Cynicism

:)