Connie Sonne Accuses Banachek of cheating her

[arthwollipot]

Isn't she eligible to apply again after one year? No doubt she would come up with a second set of excuses after failing the new test...Well, as a matter of fact at the press conference after the test, her excuse was that "they" had decided not to allow her to succeed because it wasn't a good time for it. Then her excuse changed to Banachek cheating her, then to the JREF as a whole cheating her.

She doesn't need a second test to change her excuse.

[Obviousman]

Well, as a matter of fact at the press conference after the test, her excuse was that "they" had decided not to allow her to succeed because it wasn't a good time for it. Then her excuse changed to Banachek cheating her, then to the JREF as a whole cheating her.

She doesn't need a second test to change her excuse.

That seems to be a pretty accurate summary of the events.

[Czarcasm]

Edited for civility. Let me try to think of a civil response to someone who mocks others and calls them liars and cheaters over and over again.
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[bluesjnr]

I think I respond to you, Connie in the same way every time you come back in. The reason is that I still cannot believe you haven't answered this simple question.

It is now nine months since September '09. Nine months since you promised to reveal the whereabouts of Madeleine McCann and in doing so, effectively save her from whatever dreadful ordeal she is going through and reunite her with her family.

If your powers are to be believed and if you (as you assert) know where she is I am staggered by the fact that you have deliberately chosen not to help her.

At one fell swoop you would expose any cheating as well as becoming a world wide household name.

What do you have to lose?

Don't answer that 'cos I already know.

[Eos of the Eons]

I think the mods are way to kind to edit out the names she called me, but rules are rules. At least the JREF follows a code of conduct.

[rjh01]

Let me try to think of a civil response to someone who mocks others and calls them liars and cheaters over and over again.
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I've got nothing.
That is a reflection on you, not anyone else. Connie's statements were so stupid I am shocked that anyone would take her seriously enough to bite back.

For an example of a good reaction see Sean84's post (number 221).

[Cleon]

I think many had misunderstood me...it was not only Banachek, but the whole JREF who has cheatened not only me, but a lot of people. And another misunderstanding, I have never said WHEN I was going to tell about it, I only said when I would start on my website. And I did. The other things will come....when the right time comes!

Mule fritters. If you had evidence, you'd present it and prove your case.

Since you haven't, we can presume that you don't.


Another thing , from the beginning I gave JREF and Bart Farkas and Mark Edward a cd rom containing voices from behind. It is real, and NOONE can manipulate that kind of voices.

So you are ignorant of audio engineering technology and practices.

And they know, but they NEVER mentioned it at all. WHY NOT? Because they know I am right.

Or perhaps because you're full of crap.

[Cleon]

Hi Bart, I just want to say that I am sure now, that you (like Mark Edward) are unfortunately not the same person you gave yourself out to be when we met at TAM 7.

You were hired to win my trust with the only purpose: to find out some more about me, things JREF could use somehow.

*snrk*

You know, some of us actually know these people personally, and all I can say is:

:dl:

[Audible Click]

That is a reflection on you, not anyone else. Connie's statements were so stupid I am shocked that anyone would take her seriously enough to bite back.

For an example of a good reaction see Sean84's post (number 221).

Thank you. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view.:rolleyes:

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I think many had misunderstood me...it was not only Banachek, but the whole JREF who has cheatened not only me, but a lot of people. And another misunderstanding, I have never said WHEN I was going to tell about it, I only said when I would start on my website. And I did. The other things will come....when the right time comes!

Another thing , from the beginning I gave JREF and Bart Farkas and Mark Edward a cd rom containing voices from behind. It is real, and NOONE can manipulate that kind of voices. And they know, but they NEVER mentioned it at all. WHY NOT? Because they know I am right.

Well, the JREF was behind the Kennedy assassination, so I wouldn't put anything past them.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

I wrote:

sent 7 august 2009 8.10

Hi Bart, and thank you. It was nice to meet you, but I`m right about the cheating, and it`s not only Banachek, what I meant...It was the whole JREF. I will and can prove it. I don`t know, if you know something, but actually I don`t care. I still think you were a very good company. The 15 august I will get my websit in danish, and the 15 september in english. I will write about the JREF there too.

About the cd-rom. I thought I had written it in a document on the cd, but maybe you can`t open the file. I dont know, but here it comes again:

Play the voices again and again, get your ears used to hear only the voices, not the noises. You must be very patient and play it on a computer with very good speakers.
Play it on the regular speed....1,0 until you can hear this:

a little girl: why I dont know why?...a man: A? I do think so...they punished you...then the litlle girl say some words I can`t hear but then...why it means double kick??

When you hear that more clearly (and you will, if you are patient) then play it on the speed of 0,6.

Here it again and again...then you will hear:

Where the man says BECAUSE THEY PUNISHED YOU, another voice says : HE IS HURTING ME HERE! The word PUNISHED is now transformed to HURTING!

and when the little girl says: WHY IT MEANS DOUBLE KICK, another voice says: WHY YOU GO AWAY! The word DOUBLE KICK is now transformed into AWAY!

I will send this email for Mark Edward too, eventhough he is a big liar. Because if you can`t open the document on the cd, he can`t either. So I still think he should have the oportunity to hear the cd rom.

Regards Connie

Serious question: What color is the sky in your world?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Oh, look, a zombie thread resurrection.

Do you think the voices on the CD are zombies? :eek:

[steenkh]

Folks, please consider that Connie may actually be seriously ill, and she is living in a delusion that she cannot simply give up. Finding fault with the world, or the JREF, is easier for her.

Think also of how she declined doing any tests on herself before she spent a fortune to come to the fateful TAM, and that even now she will never test herself in any way to check if the fault lies in her own abilities after all.

[Czarcasm]

Folks, please consider that Connie may actually be seriously ill, and she is living in a delusion that she cannot simply give up. Finding fault with the world, or the JREF, is easier for her.Then the proper thing to do would be to suspend her account and not entertain her claims until she gets the help she needs.

[steenkh]

Then the proper thing to do would be to suspend her account and not entertain her claims until she gets the help she needs.
We are not in a position to diagnose her. I just point out that this could explain her behaviour. I think that others made the same observation even before she was tested, and were surprised that the JREF accepted this test in public. Luckily, it was conducted in dignity.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Luckily, it was conducted in dignity.

No, it was conducted in Las Vegas. I was there.

[arthwollipot]

Folks, please consider that Connie may actually be seriously ill, and she is living in a delusion that she cannot simply give up.She hears voices. Voices that tell her what to do. This is a symptom of schizophrenia.

She interprets events as being specifically aimed at damaging or discrediting her. This is another symptom of schizophrenia.

I am not a mental health expert.

[Dancing David]

She hears voices. Voices that tell her what to do. This is a symptom of schizophrenia.

She interprets events as being specifically aimed at damaging or discrediting her. This is another symptom of schizophrenia.

I am not a mental health expert.

Psst, psychosis, hallucinations and paranoia can have many causes.

[TheDoLittle]

Psst, psychosis, hallucinations and paranoia can have many causes.

In connie's world, the JREF causes it.

[AvalonXQ]

It's very disappointing that she felt the need to make up these sorts of accusations to preserve her delusion.

[Czarcasm]

We are not in a position to diagnose her. I just point out that this could explain her behaviour. I think that others made the same observation even before she was tested, and were surprised that the JREF accepted this test in public. Luckily, it was conducted in dignity.You are right-we are in no position to diagnose her. Either she mentally healthy enough to take what she dishes out, or she need to go. Since The Powers That Be still let her post here, the only thing we should do is treat her the same as everyone else.

[NoZed Avenger]

No, it was conducted in Las Vegas. I was there.

And trust us, CS would *never* appear in dignity.

[connie sonne]

I have told you several times, that YOU can not decide in wich order I have to come out with things- I decide myself AND I do NOT ask people to pay attention to my website( they can decide themself for reading it ! ) I only mentioned that I had one, and I also decide myself what I`m going to post like you do,. Nothing more about that. IF you don`t want to read it....so God:D be with you.... I don`t care at all....you will hear it anyway :).

EOS: I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it! And what I mentioned in my earlier post--- it was not for you personally...it was for SOME of you.

Audible Klik: Desperate ??????:D I think YOU in there and others are desperate !!

Tricky: You edited some of my words because of rule 0 (be civil and polite ) What??? What have people called me from the beginning - when I was polite and only told the truth : mentally ill, fraud, have symptoms of schizophrenia and.....and ..... and...MUCH more worse words than I NEVER will call members in there... And you people out there talk about civilty ?????


It`s just another prove that some of the invoveld "skeptics" feel that they hae to debunk everything/everybody with bigger powers than your mouths !

[connie sonne]

When You out there started calling me things - I lost my respect for SOME of you.

Karl: Yes hundreds of you saw it live- and do you know what? Hundreds of you did not see what REALLY was going on!

Cleon : things will come out, but again( and again and again.....) in the RIGHT order

and you said: "So you are ignorant of audio engineering technologi and practices" YES and therefore I tell you that I could not manipulate the recording - I`ve still have the original on the voicerecorder ( which I recorded my self ) and experts will know ( and experts have had it all the time !)

[The Central Scrutinizer]

So, did you win the million? Nope. Sounds like sour grapes to me.

[connie sonne]

You also said "or perhaps youre full of crap" _ Yes Maybe..... or maybe some other people are:) !

You mentioned that some of you know Bart and Mark personally - and then ??????? (You think you do:))

The Central Scrutinizer : You asked : "What color is your sky in your world ?"

Obviously....it`s NOT blue anymore with all the chem-trails and the following chem-clouds!!

Czarcasm: Yes try to get me suspended....I dont care. It will come out anyway!

The DoLittle : No, it`s not only MY world...it is yours too !!


Now things has been going on for thousand of years- and still people are sleeping....more now than ever !!

The circumstances fix the results....but if the circumstances will change... the results will be different:)

Connie

[connie sonne]

I don`t care with the million dollar., And I said it at the video you was presented with at TAM 7 ! This is about something else

[rjh01]

I don`t care with the million dollar., And I said it at the video you was presented with at TAM 7 ! This is about something else
What are posting here for? It just sounds like a worthless rant by someone who is still upset at having her view of the world challenged.

[connie sonne]

Think what you want, I don`t blame you for that:D

[Obviousman]

Now things has been going on for thousand of years- and still people are sleeping....more now than ever !!


And for a great length of time people have been making claims and predictions based on their having special powers... and none have ever been able to have those claims verified.

It really is quite simple. You made claims. Those claims were tested and unable to be verified. Instead of accepting this and moving on, you now blame an ever-increasing circle of people for having "fixed" the result.

I can see why you do this, though. To admit the test was open and fair would force you to question the existence of your claimed 'special powers'...and you seem unable to do this.

[JohnnyG]

I have told you several times, that YOU can not decide in wich order I have to come out with things- I decide myself
That's fine. However, you MUST come out with things otherwise the only concrete evidence in existence contradicts your claim. The test is over and all of the evidence is available - either there is something in the evidence to support your claim of being cheated or not; nothing new is likely to surface now unless it has been "edited". That is why your claim of being cheated and continued delays in producing the evidence are being met with, for lack of a better term, skepticism.

[kerikiwi]

I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it!

You agreed to the protocol, hence it was just as much yours as theirs.
If it was not to your liking, you were not compelled to agree to it.
You should have negotiated a protocol you agreed to, rather than agree, attempt, fail and then cry 'cheat'.
What precisely was done outside the protocol which you now say was cheating, and why did you not recognise at the time that the protocol was not being followed?

[edona7]

EOS: I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it! And what I mentioned in my earlier post--- it was not for you personally...it was for SOME of you.

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It is very disingenuous of you, Connie, to agree to a protocol and now claim you were duped. That means YOU were the one acting duplicitously - lying, as it were, to get tested. NO ONE held a gun to your head saying 'agree to this or else.' If you had ANY doubts, it was up to you to say so.

[TheDoLittle]

I have told you several times, that YOU can not decide in wich order I have to come out with things-

What "things" are you coming out with? You don't have to come up with a timeline, but a list of items might help.

I decide myself AND I do NOT ask people to pay attention to my website( they can decide themself for reading it ! )

Except that you kept posting that everything would be revealed on your website, except that it never seemed to have materialized. Is that one of the "things" that are coming out?

I only mentioned that I had one, and I also decide myself what I`m going to post like you do,. Nothing more about that.

Except that you mention it practically all the time.

IF you don`t want to read it....so God:D be with you.... I don`t care at all....you will hear it anyway :).

So these upcoming "things" will not posted at your website. Where will they be posted?

EOS: I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it!

So you are saying you did not agree to the protocol and sign the contract before the test began. Could you please tell us who agreed to the protocol and forged your signature? Or is that one of your "things" that is coming?

And what I mentioned in my earlier post--- it was not for you personally...it was for SOME of you.

Then could you please list those members who that post was directed to? You see, without you using the quote function or writing the names of those you are addressing, everyone assumes you are talking to the public at large.

And as this is a somewhat "public" forum, just about anyone who has signed onto this forum can answer... just like I'm doing.

Audible Klik: Desperate ??????:D I think YOU in there and others are desperate !!

No, but do have a hankering for some Jell-O.

Tricky: You edited some of my words because of rule 0 (be civil and polite ) What??? What have people called me from the beginning -

Fraud...

Oh, wait. I'm sorry. Was that also one of the "things" you were going to reveal?

when I was polite and only told the truth : mentally ill, fraud, have symptoms of schizophrenia and.....and ..... and...MUCH more worse words than I NEVER will call members in there... And you people out there talk about civilty ?????

I can assure you, most of us have been very civil. There have been many other adjectives that have been posted elsewhere about you that would permanently get us banned if they were posted on here.

It`s just another prove that some of the invoveld "skeptics" feel that they hae to debunk everything/everybody with bigger powers than your mouths !

If ever there is a "power" out there, whether possessed by you or someone else, that wins the $1M challenge, I will very happily cancel my membership on this or any forum and take a permanent vow of silence.

When You out there started calling me things - I lost my respect for SOME of you.

When you were using a missing little girl to promote your so-called "power", you lost the respect of ALL of us.

Speaking of which, where is Madeleine McCann? Or it that one of the "things" you will be revealing? You know that we have been waiting a very long time to tell us. I'm sure the McCann family are sitting by their phone waiting for you to reveal their poor missing little girl. Even if she has died, I think the family might need some closure, just to know that their nightmare can be resolved somewhat.

But then, who are we to dictate when and where you reveal your "things".

Karl: Yes hundreds of you saw it live- and do you know what? Hundreds of you did not see what REALLY was going on!

Yeah, a bunch of us were watching you and making faces at you during the webcast. I made a particularly funny one.

Cleon : things will come out, but again( and again and again.....) in the RIGHT order

And will Maddie be included in that?

Soon?

and you said: "So you are ignorant of audio engineering technologi and practices" YES and therefore I tell you that I could not manipulate the recording - I`ve still have the original on the voicerecorder ( which I recorded my self ) and experts will know ( and experts have had it all the time !)

And which experts would those be? To my knowledge, Bart and Mark are not audio engineers. If I am incorrect, I'm sure someone will correct me.

You also said "or perhaps youre full of crap" _ Yes Maybe..... or maybe some other people are:) !

I will freely admit to being "full of it"! I am very conceited, stubborn, and can and have, BSed with the best of them. But I am also VERY good at what I do. And if I agree to a contract, sign it, and don't deliver the goods, I don't make excuses, blame others, or even cry and whine about it on an internet forum. I offer up an apology, handshake, and hopefully part on good terms. I can honestly tell you it has happened more than once, but not often.

But if I continually agree to a contract, sign my name, and consistently never come through with a finished product, and then whine about how my clients are preventing me from making money on an internet forum, I would no longer be considered the best at what I claim I can do. Why then would I be surprised and upset that people are calling me a "liar" and "fraud"?

You mentioned that some of you know Bart and Mark personally - and then ??????? (You think you do:))

I know neither of them, either in passing or personally. But I have read what you have posted and read the postings the people involved, as well as watched the live feed of your test. As their take on the events match up with the video, and yours do not, I am more likely to believe them unless you can provide more evidence.

Unless that's also one of your "things" you will be revealing?

The Central Scrutinizer : You asked : "What color is your sky in your world ?"

Obviously....it`s NOT blue anymore with all the chem-trails and the following chem-clouds!!
The DoLittle : No, it`s not only MY world...it is yours too !!

Obviously not. With the exception of the times of inclement weather, I see a very nice, very blue sky just about every time I step out during the day.

Czarcasm: Yes try to get me suspended....I dont care. It will come out anyway!

Now things has been going on for thousand of years- and still people are sleeping....more now than ever !!

I just finished my second cup of coffee so I am very much awake.

The circumstances fix the results....but if the circumstances will change... the results will be different:)

Which circumstances and which results? Or are these "things" again?

I don`t care with the million dollar.

So you don't care that Banachek and the JREF might have cheated you out of the $1M? Then why are you making such a fuss?

[Obviousman]

So Connie, when are you taking up the Australian challenge? After all, this time you can make sure no-one "cheats" you.

[Uncayimmy]

It is very disingenuous of you, Connie, to agree to a protocol and now claim you were duped. That means YOU were the one acting duplicitously - lying, as it were, to get tested. NO ONE held a gun to your head saying 'agree to this or else.' If you had ANY doubts, it was up to you to say so.

I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to disagree with you on this. For the record, I don't think Connie was cheated. I think her conduct after the test has been deplorable because she's made baseless accusations.

But let's suppose that Connie had cheated. Would we be telling Randi that nobody held a gun to his head when accepting the protocol, so quit whining? People make mistakes of knowledge and of trust. If the other party took advantage of that to cheat, the other party is a cheater unworthy of respect.

The only thing to say to Connie is the same thing we say to all claimants: Put up or shut up. If you can do as you claim, then do it. If the JREF cheated, then prove it. Stop talking about it and show us. Since she refuses, she really doesn't deserve any further attention other than a chant of put up or shut up.

[arthwollipot]

EOS: I said yes to their protocol only because I trusted them at that time, by the way it was NOT my protocol...the decided all of it!Well, since part of the protocol includes your agreement at all stages of the process, and you stated at the time that it was a fair test, there's not much use calling sour grapes now.

You said at the time, and in the press conference, that it was a fair test. You also said that "they" did not permit you to succeed because it was not "the right time".

I asked you at the press conference whether you could tell us who or what "they" are, and you declined to answer. You said that you would make it clear in "August or September" - granted that you did not specify the year.

Are you going to tell us who or what "they" are? Or are you going to continue to whine that it wasn't a fair test when you agreed at the time that it was?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Are you going to tell us who or what "they" are?

The voices in her head.

[arthwollipot]

The voices in her head.Yes, but Connie went into quite a bit of detail at the press conference about what they weren't - they aren't spirits, ghosts or aliens. And yet they told her where little Madeline was being held, which led her to lurk around a house in Portugal (did the owners know she was there?). She acts according to what the voices tell her.

Either she is displaying symptoms of schizophrenia, or there is an external origin of these voices. She denies that she is schizophrenic, so I'm very curious what is causing the voices, and why no-one else hears them.

Why have they chosen an ex-cop from Denmark as their conduit to this world? Why not a world leader? A President or a Pope? So I ask now, as I did at the press conference, who these voices belong to.

[TheSkepticCanuck]

Well, the JREF was behind the Kennedy assassination, so I wouldn't put anything past them.

Shhh. Didn't you get the memo? We are supposed to keep quiet about that. And whatever you do, don't mention the JREF's involvement in the Lincoln assassination, either. Or their involvement in 9/11. Or how the JREF is purposely keeping Planet X hidden from view just to mess with the 2012 crowd. Say nothing about any of it!

:D

[The Central Scrutinizer]

The voices in her head.

Why have they chosen an ex-cop from Denmark as their conduit to this world?

Maybe now we know why she is an ex-cop.

[Marcus]

So, Connie, you don't care what anyone here thinks, really couldn't care less if we visit your website, and in any case don't have any respect for those skeptic meanies. The only mystery left is why you are posting here.

[connie sonne]

ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie

[connie sonne]

But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie

[Pixel42]

You took a test without even bothering to do a dry run first, and failed it as we all knew you would.

Either provide some evidence that you were cheated (the best evidence would be to take the exact same test again under properly supervised conditions and pass it) or accept that you have no paranormal powers and get on with your life. All slandering Banachek is going to get you is sued.

[wardenclyffe]

I've looked. I must be missing something. Please tell us exactly what Banachek did. If you were cheated, you clearly would have a case against the JREF and you should sue them. But if you cannot explain here what Banachek did, you will never be able to explain it in court.

Ward

P.S. Where have you been for the past year? Did it take you that long to look at a couple of youtube clips?

[rjh01]

Connie sonne - What you are saying is vague. You have posted no evidence of cheating.

Plus what Pixel42 said.

[Rasmus]

P.S. Where have you been for the past year? Did it take you that long to look at a couple of youtube clips?

Don't you just hate dial-up?

[William Smith]

ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie

Connie, please tell us what you see on the aforementioned parts. What is "it"?

Please tell us precisely what you mean by "I have a lot more". Thank you.



Are you aware that you tried blaming the JREF and Banachek before, with similar vague accusations and that it has led you nowhere?

Have you considered presenting your case to an attorney and pursue this matter in more appropriate channels?

[Sideroxylon]

But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie

You don't seem to have understood or taken heed of the part I have bolded. Or perhaps you feel you have a rock solid case to make. Even so, it would have been prudent to seek expert opinion on what you think you have seen before publishing accusations like these. The other thing to consider is that a lot of experts (pro magicians) would have watched these clips by now and would surely have noticed what you think you have were there anything in it.

[BillyJoe]

Sorry but...

If Banachek really does sue Connie, he is an idiot.
If he is not seriously considering doing so, he is an idiot for threatening to do so.

Bad look in my book. :(

[William Smith]

But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie

Please disregard my first reply.

Connie, I think you should consult a medical professional and evaluate your health. It is worrying to see you not letting this go despite all the evidence against you. Tell him/her about this incident and take it from there.
Please get help. I wish you all the best.

[Foolmewunz]

It's all still about the attention, isn't it Connie?


Check out her thread in Forum Management when her bump post didn't immediately rocket this thread to the top of the home page/index page. Now the mods are cheating her, too! :p

[The Central Scrutinizer]

ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie

Have you considered discussing your findings with a mental health professional? I really think you should. Seriously.

[connie sonne]

Banachek are welcome to sue me...I know who will win.:). I come back.

Connie

[Dumb All Over]

Banachek are welcome to sue me...I know who will win.:). I come back.

Connie
John Elway and "The Drive", now that was a come back. Yours, Connie,...eh...not so much.

[sadhatter]

But what does Banachek have to say about all this? Well, here's his statement:

"I find Connie Sonne's accusation both amusing and sad. On the same note, I take it very seriously as well. Connie, or anyone else, should think very carefully prior to making such libelous and slanderous statements. I take defamation of my character quite seriously. I would also suggest that anyone repeating Connie's suggestion - that I called out the card prior to it being removed - as a sign of cheating, place a card in a coin envelope then try to remove it and you will readily see that the moment your thumb enters the envelope to remove the card you can easily see what it is prior to it sliding out of the envelope. This is not cheating. It was simply me, trying to move a lengthy yet necessary process along. Also, there were steps put in place by the JREF to make sure there was no way I could have cheated Connie at all. For this to have happened both myself, the JREF, and anyone else involved would have had to be involved in the entire crime - and yes, it would be a crime. So once again, be very careful prior to making libelous or slanderous statements.

The test of Connie Sonne was honest, straightforward, open, and witnessed all over the world as it took place. Ms. Sonne has disappointed us all by reneging on her very positive statement that the test was properly designed and conducted."


Oh geez.......!!!

Connie

Connie

I really have an issue with your stating that you werre tricked, here is the reasoning why.

Everyone has special skills, and most people who have proficiancy in them have been training for quite some time, as i am sure you have been through your life.

Mine, is knife throwing. I have been doing it for almost a decade and during that time, periodically i find out things that mess with me.

Not to bore you with details, but things like, distance, wind strength, the type of target, etc. Now when i noticed these i corrected for them.

Now your not claiming it was, the psychic equivalent of wet fingers, or a strong wind, your claiming direct interference by someone.

I've had my embarrassing moments. The first time i tried to throw knives in a strong wind in front of people, is a great example. I had no idea that a wind would screw up my throws so bad , i said my mea cuplas , and corrected this.

But what i can say , and i am sure anyone else with a weird skill would say, is that environmental factors may sneak up on you, ( though as you train more, this becomes increasingly rare.), but being directly interfered with is something that should be blatantly obvious.

If i was trying to prove that i could throw knives for a million dollars , i would notice almost immediately any attempts to thwart me. If suddenly i was failing throws i make constant basis, i wouldn't keep going, i would stop instantly, make an educated guess as to how i was being thwarted ( Maybe someone was throwing pennies or rocks at me , maybe they set up a vent to gust wind at the knives, etc.) , and call the people out on it. When you have a skill, especially one you practice with to the point you are sure you have it , you know when something is not right.

A person who knows they are being cheated out of a million dollars for something they know they can do is not just going to shrug their shoulders, walk away and complain. They are going to " Pull the cheesecloth" so to speak, as they are being thwarted.

Unless that is, of course, they know they are not going to win. If the publicity is the person's only concern, it makes perfect sense to do the test, fail, and make up all kinds of stories as to how you were cheated. Believers will still believe, and you just got some free press, the million was never really something you thought you would get, so getting stressed at the time would do nothing for you other than harm your reputation.

So what is the deal connie? Your actions make no sense if you were legitimately thinking you could win, but make perfect sense if one runs under the assumption that you were just going for the publicity. Care to explain?

[BillyJoe]

Connie, I think you should consult a medical professional and evaluate your health.

Have you considered discussing your findings with a mental health professional?


Do you guys have any qualifications that entitle you to diagnose psychiatric illness on the basis on someone's internet activity?

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Do you guys have any qualifications that entitle you to diagnose psychiatric illness on the basis on someone's internet activity?

Yes.

[kerikiwi]

Do you guys have any qualifications that entitle you to diagnose psychiatric illness on the basis on someone's internet activity?

Suggesting someone get a diagnosis is not the same as offering a diagnosis.

[connie sonne]

Part 2 : Play it slowly, if you can`t, then use the "pause" button all the time.


It goes VERY fast!

07.13 - 07.17 : Banachek looks in his left pocket in his waistcoat. He takes something up and place it on the table behind the big envelopes. AT THE SAME time he takes a piece of paper in the same hand and place his hand on his knee again.

You are SO blind if you can´t see it. So...Banachek and JREF are moore than welcome to sue me. And it`s still a little part of it !

Connie

[Sean84]

Part 2 : Play it slowly, if you can`t, then use the "pause" button all the time.


It goes VERY fast!

07.13 - 07.17 : Banachek looks in his left pocket in his waistcoat. He takes something up and place it on the table behind the big envelopes. AT THE SAME time he takes a piece of paper in the same hand and place his hand on his knee again.

You are SO blind if you can´t see it. So...Banachek and JREF are moore than welcome to sue me. And it`s still a little part of it !

Connie
This is what's known as "babble".

[zooterkin]

ok...here we go..........

First..take a look at Part 2, time 07.13 and see what Banachek does.
Look at Part 3, time 01.14 and further and look what Banachek does.

Play it all slowly, and it`s very clear !!

I have a lot more, and I know what he and JREF did to cheat me...I said it all the time, but now you will start to "feel" it !

Connie

How about a link to the video you're watching, so we can follow along? I know it may be buried in this thread somewhere, but I couldn't see it in the first hundred posts I looked at.

[Pixel42]

Sorry but...

If Banachek really does sue Connie, he is an idiot.
If he is not seriously considering doing so, he is an idiot for threatening to do so.
Depends.

As long as she's just babbling on here she's obviously best ignored, but if she were to get her accusations published in a newspaper (admittedly an unlikely scenario, but stranger things have happened) they would soon be all over the internet, and he does have his professional reputation to consider.

Of course if she actually had a case she would be suing him.

[connie sonne]

Zooterkij : you can just google connie sonne part 2, then it comes up several places. I used the one at YouTube uploaded by JREF. If you can place the link here, which is able to work, you are welcome, because I could`nt.

Connie

[connie sonne]

And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !

Connie

[Sean84]

And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !

Connie

No you're not. You're babbling periodically on the internet.

[Pixel42]

And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !
You would be if you had a case, yes. But you aren't, are you? Because you don't have a case. Because you weren't cheated, you failed a fair test.

If you really believe you were cheated you would have repeated the exact same test in front of impartial witnesses to prove it. You've had nearly two years to do so. Yet here we are, still reading your slanderous - but too ridiculous to do anything but ignore - babbling.

[rjh01]

How about a link to the video you're watching, so we can follow along? I know it may be buried in this thread somewhere, but I couldn't see it in the first hundred posts I looked at.

In the interests of fair play here is the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USw7XXT0RXk .

At the time Banachek takes his notepad and puts it between his legs. At the end of the video he writes something on it after Connie gives him one of the answers. I could see no evidence of cheating.

[chillzero]

I agree - he doesn't look in his pocket so much as glance toward it and pats it (as you do when trying to remember where you put a pen o notebook), then picks up his notes and wites the choices etc on the notes.

[William Smith]

Do you guys have any qualifications that entitle you to diagnose psychiatric illness on the basis on someone's internet activity?

I did not diagnose anything. I went by simple common sense math:

History of vague ramblings + failed controlled test + denial + a seemingly violent need for self-degradation in public = let us consider getting help trying to shed a light on things.

My math may be wrong. Given her history, I do not see a point in engaging her in a discussion in this forum at this time.

[Marcus]

I think many had misunderstood me...it was not only Banachek, but the whole JREF who has cheatened not only me, but a lot of people. And another misunderstanding, I have never said WHEN I was going to tell about it, I only said when I would start on my website. And I did. The other things will come....when the right time comes!

Another thing , from the beginning I gave JREF and Bart Farkas and Mark Edward a cd rom containing voices from behind. It is real, and NOONE can manipulate that kind of voices. And they know, but they NEVER mentioned it at all. WHY NOT? Because they know I am right.

Eos Yes...you saw it with you own eyes....but there was a lot you did`nt see. They will just have it to look like fair....but it will come, I promise!

Edited for civility. ...actually I feel sorry for you..what have I mentioned all the time?? YOU out there can NOT decide the way it has to go....but ... you can decide yourself if you will read my website or not...I DONT CARE:D... AND the video shows NOTHING !
Connie
So, the proof, the big revelation that would come soon (a year ago), one which would require us to visit your website, is a youtube video?

[Dumb All Over]

And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !

Connie
When?

I don't believe you.

[Cuddles]

So, the proof, the big revelation that would come soon (a year ago), one which would require us to visit your website, is a youtube video?

Close. The big revelation that was promised two years ago is a YouTube video posted two years ago by the JREF immediately after the event. Connie hasn't taken this long to throw together some shoddy evidence she thinks supports her claims, she's taken this long to do absolutely nothing.

[BillyJoe]

Yes.

Okay then :D
But, seriously, on the basis of internet activity?

Suggesting someone get a diagnosis is not the same as offering a diagnosis.

You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.

I did not diagnose anything.

You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.
It comes across as nothing more than an ad hominem.

[BillyJoe]

As long as she's just babbling on here she's obviously best ignored, but if she were to get her accusations published in a newspaper (admittedly an unlikely scenario, but stranger things have happened) they would soon be all over the internet, and he does have his professional reputation to consider.


Fair enough, I was basing my view on the present situation. And, as you say, getting her accusations published in a newspaper seems an unlikely eventuality. And, even then, he would be wise to tackle this in ways other than by suing, which should be an extreme last resort.

[Sideroxylon]

It comes across as nothing more than an ad hominem.

To me, it comes across as parsimony.

[P.J. Denyer]

Okay then :D
But, seriously, on the basis of internet activity?



You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.



You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.
It comes across as nothing more than an ad hominem.

So if someone posted that they were getting pains in their chest and left arm you think that only a trained cardiologist should suggest they see a doctor?

[William Smith]

...
You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.
It comes across as nothing more than an ad hominem.

I did not and it should not.

[Rasmus]

Okay then :D
But, seriously, on the basis of internet activity?



You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.



You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.

No, they were not. They only suggested that the behavior might be indicative of one and that it might be a good idea to talk to a professional - presumably because a diagnosis could not be provided over the Internet by either laypeople or professionals.

It comes across as nothing more than an ad hominem.

Uh ... no.

An ad hominem would be "you sound crazy, therefore you must be wrong!". This is: "you are wrong, and the particular way in which you are wrong makes you look crazy, also. Please have that checked out."

-> She would still be seen as wrong even though it was established that she was not suffering from any particular mental problem. Assuming she had a mental problem, having that healed or fixed or dealt with would not make her more right, either.

[zooterkin]

Okay then :D
But, seriously, on the basis of internet activity?



Well, could be more than that. I've a suspicion* that Scrut may have been at TAM7, so he probably saw her in person.











* Just ask him how many TAMs he's been to...

[The Central Scrutinizer]

And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !

Connie

What is your (imaginary) attorney's name?

[DrDave]

And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !

Connie

Careful now - threats of legal action against Randi/JREF have been grounds for banning members in the past

http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?postid=3237972#post3237972

[desertgal]

And Pixel : Suing him AND JREF !

Connie

Anyone can file a lawsuit. Proving your case and winning is another story. You might do the first, but I predict you won't accomplish the latter.

[kerikiwi]

You were suggesting that that person has a psychiatric illness.



Actually, I wasn't but I now suggest it is a possibility and it would be good to seek help. neither having an illness, nor seeking help for it, is cause for shame.

[Geek Goddess]

I got to sit in the press conference immediately after her failed demonstration.

I get the feeling that she is deluded. Her excuse, that day, was that 'they' were not ready to be revealed. "They" apparently being the voice/force/entity/whatever that she thinks guides her.

[connie sonne]

Actually, most of you don`t know anything. You only trust in the words given to you from people you were supposed to trust , and trust the things you immidiatly see you don`t see many other things at all. What if I´m right, what if your ideologies are wrong? You will see, as I have said many times before....things will happen at the right time.

About being banned here for saying, that JREF will be sued....I don`t care... Anyway it`s not the right place to write it all. SO....if somebody will try to sue me.... they are very welcome to.

Connie

[AdMan]

Actually, most of you don`t know anything. You only trust in the words given to you from people you were supposed to trust , and trust the things you immidiatly see you don`t see many other things at all. What if I´m right, what if your ideologies are wrong? You will see, as I have said many times before....things will happen at the right time.



This doesn't make any sense, sorry.

[kerikiwi]

...things will happen at the right time.


What things and when? We need to know in order to recognise the things when they happen.

[RemieV]

Huh, I didn't realize there was still discussion on this, and I can't recall what I've said on the matter (and don't feel like going through all the pages of the thread).

I am the one who stuffed the envelopes with the cards. I put several layers of security on these envelopes - not the least of which is this:

I didn't tell Banachek what kind of cards were being used in the test. I didn't say what brand, or what colour the backs were. In fact, I believe there were four different tests available (or was it three?), and the colours of the card backs were not the same for every one. I used red cards for some tests, and blue for others. Last I checked, the unopened tests were still at the JREF headquarters, and I imagine they can someday be opened for examination.

So not only did he not know the brand name of the cards, he also didn't know what colour they were, thereby making it impossible for him to have a deck of cards on his person for every possiblity - or, at least, incredibly unlikely.

In addition to this, there was tape across every edge and seam of every envelope, with my signature written across each piece of tape. It was impossible to remove without destroying the envelope, and I can verify that afterward they were all just as they were when I handed them over to the security officer.

And if I remember correctly (though now, looking back, I cannot be sure if it was for this test or another, so there's no sense in quoting me on this aspect), I put a secret mark on each envelope to ensure that, even if Banachek was a master forger and used entirely different envelopes that he had purchased himself, he would not know to replace the mark, having no idea that it was there in the first place.

[Pixel42]

What if I´m right, what if your ideologies are wrong?
But you're not right, are you? You failed the test, remember? Your ideology has been proved to be wrong. Babbling on this thread does nothing to suggest otherwise. Quite the reverse, in fact.

SO....if somebody will try to sue me.... they are very welcome to.
No-one is going to sue you for babbling on this thread. I doubt if you'll even be banned for slandering Banachek and JREF, because it's so obvious you're just a rather sad person who can't bear to give up the idea that she is special.

The ball is therefore in your court. Either sue JREF/Banachek or put this all behind you and get on with your life.

[Rasmus]

Is there a point in egging her on wrt the lawsuits?

I doubt she'd stand a chance in court, but if it was to happen, it would only mean trouble for the JREF and banachek - they'll have to spend time and money on this, at least.

[Pixel42]

Is there a point in egging her on wrt the lawsuits?

I doubt she'd stand a chance in court, but if it was to happen, it would only mean trouble for the JREF and banachek - they'll have to spend time and money on this, at least.
After two years of her doing nothing but whinge it's clear there is no chance whatever of it happening.

At the most she might be persuaded to take the necessary first step of repeating the test with someone she trusts in the JREF/Banachek roles, which would settle the matter.

[Rasmus]

After two years of her doing nothing but whinge it's clear there is no chance whatever of it happening.

Then what is the point of egging her on? :)

At the most she might be persuaded to take the necessary first step of repeating the test with someone she trusts in the JREF/Banachek roles, which would settle the matter.

That would be a good thing, but I doubt it. But I did ask specifically about the egging her on wrt to the lawsuits. I wasn't having a "Leave Britney alone"-Moment here ...

[Sean84]

Then what is the point of egging her on? :)

Spite. Spite always works.

There's also the fact that she's making wild allegations of criminal misconduct and showing absolutely nothing for it. That tends to piss people off. Someone should something or other someone for it.

That would be a good thing, but I doubt it. But I did ask specifically about the egging her on wrt to the lawsuits. I wasn't having a "Leave Britney alone"-Moment here ...

We should probably leave this Britney person alone... Connie, well, she's making wild allegations, what's worse is that she's wrong.

[chillzero]

What if I´m right, what if your ideologies are wrong? You will see, as I have said many times before....things will happen at the right time.

So, if you think - as you stated after the test - that this is down to whichever entities you believe control fate, why are you fighting it? If those entities choose not to have the truth revealed to us all yet, then why are you trying to claim that the truth is right there in front of us? If it was hidden from us, why do you get angry that we cannot see it?

[Pixel42]

Then what is the point of egging her on?
I'm trying to get her to admit, to herself if not to us, what is already obvious to the rest of us - that there is no chance whatsoever of her doing so, so she should start considering the alternative: letting it go, and getting on with her life.

[Cuddles]

Careful now - threats of legal action against Randi/JREF have been grounds for banning members in the past[/url]

Actually, I read that not as a legal threat, but as the admission of failure that everyone is asking for. Read carefully what was actually just said (paraphrased):

Pixel - If you had a case, you would sue.
Connie - Yes, if I had a case, I would sue.
Connie has had two years but has not sued. Ergo, Connie has admitted that she does not have a case.

[bluesjnr]

Connie, it is now nearly two years since you promised to reveal the whereabouts of little Madeline McCann and to date you have failed to give us the information. You assured us that you would reveal this in Sept. 2009.

Now, it doesn't matter whether or not I believe that to be true or even if gaining the knowledge is something you are capable of. What matters, what is central to revealing the type of person you are, is the fact that you do believe you know.

From that, I conclude that you have deliberately withheld this information for your own gain. If you are to be believed, you have allowed her parents to live a life of hell and have deliberately prolonged their agony. You are a monster.

Of course, the flipside is that you are talking rot and you know it. That would mean that you made this claim up without any regard for Madelines relatives. In that case monster doesn't come close.

[Dumb All Over]

As they rightfully have in the past with forum users who threaten legal action, I hope JREF follows through and bans Connie Sonne from the high privilege of forum use. Let her take her threats and post them elsewhere. She shouldn't be allowed the use of a private forum owned by the very entity she plans to sue. JREF, please ban her.

[Rasmus]

As they rightfully have in the past with forum users who threaten legal action, I hope JREF follows through and bans Connie Sonne from the high privilege of forum use. Let her take her threats and post them elsewhere. She shouldn't be allowed the use of a private forum owned by the very entity she plans to sue. JREF, please ban her.

As an ex-mod and ex-admin of another forum I agree. The policy "feel free to sue us, but don't expect us to provide you with a platform that you might use to support your cause" seems very reasonable to me.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

At the most she might be persuaded to take the necessary first step of repeating the test with someone she trusts in the JREF/Banachek roles, which would settle the matter.

No it wouldn't.

[DrDave]

Actually, I read that not as a legal threat, but as the admission of failure that everyone is asking for. Read carefully what was actually just said (paraphrased):

Pixel - If you had a case, you would sue.
Connie - Yes, if I had a case, I would sue.
Connie has had two years but has not sued. Ergo, Connie has admitted that she does not have a case.

Lol - you're right that is what she has said! So, I agree, Connie has admitted no case and is not going to sue

Do we have this right Connie?

[desertgal]

Actually, most of you don`t know anything. You only trust in the words given to you from people you were supposed to trust , and trust the things you immidiatly see you don`t see many other things at all. What if I´m right, what if your ideologies are wrong? You will see, as I have said many times before....things will happen at the right time.

About being banned here for saying, that JREF will be sued....I don`t care... Anyway it`s not the right place to write it all. SO....if somebody will try to sue me.... they are very welcome to.

Connie

This isn't even coherent.

[Powa]

You seem surprised.

[sadhatter]

Actually, most of you don`t know anything. You only trust in the words given to you from people you were supposed to trust , and trust the things you immidiatly see you don`t see many other things at all. What if I´m right, what if your ideologies are wrong? You will see, as I have said many times before....things will happen at the right time.

About being banned here for saying, that JREF will be sued....I don`t care... Anyway it`s not the right place to write it all. SO....if somebody will try to sue me.... they are very welcome to.

Connie

When someone resorts to rhetoric in a case like this it is a pretty big indication they can't do what they claim.

Care to explain why your M.O. at this point is the exact same as anyone, paranormal or not, who claims an ability they don't have?

[sadhatter]

Huh, I didn't realize there was still discussion on this, and I can't recall what I've said on the matter (and don't feel like going through all the pages of the thread).

I am the one who stuffed the envelopes with the cards. I put several layers of security on these envelopes - not the least of which is this:

I didn't tell Banachek what kind of cards were being used in the test. I didn't say what brand, or what colour the backs were. In fact, I believe there were four different tests available (or was it three?), and the colours of the card backs were not the same for every one. I used red cards for some tests, and blue for others. Last I checked, the unopened tests were still at the JREF headquarters, and I imagine they can someday be opened for examination.

So not only did he not know the brand name of the cards, he also didn't know what colour they were, thereby making it impossible for him to have a deck of cards on his person for every possiblity - or, at least, incredibly unlikely.

In addition to this, there was tape across every edge and seam of every envelope, with my signature written across each piece of tape. It was impossible to remove without destroying the envelope, and I can verify that afterward they were all just as they were when I handed them over to the security officer.

And if I remember correctly (though now, looking back, I cannot be sure if it was for this test or another, so there's no sense in quoting me on this aspect), I put a secret mark on each envelope to ensure that, even if Banachek was a master forger and used entirely different envelopes that he had purchased himself, he would not know to replace the mark, having no idea that it was there in the first place.

I personally think that this was more than enough effort to avoid cheating by the jref, and so would any reasonable person.

That being said, as time has shown us the claimants are not reasonable.

Next time a test of this nature is to take place, i would suggest some kind of live feed ( to be recorded) of the envelopes creation, and them sitting there until the test . I know it is very unreasonable, but it wouldn't be that time consuming to do ( put up a camera, and have the weather network or something playing to confirm it is the day and time in question. ) , and it would be a further hurdle for the claimant to have to jump over to claim cheating.

[rjh01]

As they rightfully have in the past with forum users who threaten legal action, I hope JREF follows through and bans Connie Sonne from the high privilege of forum use. Let her take her threats and post them elsewhere. She shouldn't be allowed the use of a private forum owned by the very entity she plans to sue. JREF, please ban her.

Ban her when she serves documents on JREF. Until then let her spew her rubbish onto this thread. Expose her for what she is. Then she cannot go elsewhere and claim she was cheated and then silenced.

[Dumb All Over]

Ban her when she serves documents on JREF. Until then let her spew her rubbish onto this thread. Expose her for what she is. Then she cannot go elsewhere and claim she was cheated and then silenced.
Respectfully, she has already exposed herself for what she is. In my house, when the rubbish piles up I throw it out.

[rjh01]

Respectfully, she has already exposed herself for what she is. In my house, when the rubbish piles up I throw it out.
True but irrelevant.

[Dumb All Over]

Aiming for relevance--
Ban her when she serves documents on JREF.Ok, fine. Whatever. Until then let her spew her rubbish onto this thread.Done. Expose her for what she is.Done. Then she cannot go elsewhere and claim she was cheated and then silenced.
Oh, really?

[rjh01]

If you want to know where I am coming from and why I am paranoid about the subject look at these links
DAVID KOENIG, Electronic Voice Phenomenon (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=122607)
The following e-mail was sent by Jeff Wagg to David Koenig:

Based on your recent posts on several forums, I'm am closing your application permanently. You have repeatedly demonstrated that you have not acted in good faith, and we will not waste our time with you.

Jeff Wagg
JREF




Threads Tagged with david koenig (http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=david+koenig)

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=152&start=17
I applied to the JREF MDC with an EVP challenge (One which was mimicked by JREFer Alison Smith on a TV show shortly after given my MDC Protocol)

This paranormal event was never debunked by Alison Smith of the JREF so obviously they would have failed in my challenge also.

It is obvious to anyone who has the facts that the JREF has refused to test me in a manner in which one of their staff has already failed.

The don't want to risk the Million Dollars.

There is plenty more of his postings on that site. (Warning, woo is strong on that site) He behaved badly on jref forum and so was banned then went to other sites (more than one) and said things like the above. Yet he never made any claim of paranormal ability, beyond the fact that he could do stage magic and talk.

[RemieV]

If you want to know where I am coming from and why I am paranoid about the subject look at these links
DAVID KOENIG, Electronic Voice Phenomenon (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=122607)



Threads Tagged with david koenig (http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=david+koenig)

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=152&start=17


There is plenty more of his postings on that site. (Warning, woo is strong on that site) He behaved badly on jref forum and so was banned then went to other sites (more than one) and said things like the above. Yet he never made any claim of paranormal ability, beyond the fact that he could do stage magic and talk.

Best part is that all I did on that show was sit outside in front of CCTV monitors. I don't even know what he's talking about with the EVP thing. :)

[Sean84]

If you want to know where I am coming from and why I am paranoid about the subject look at these links
DAVID KOENIG, Electronic Voice Phenomenon (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=122607)



Threads Tagged with david koenig (http://forums.randi.org/tags.php?tag=david+koenig)

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=152&start=17


There is plenty more of his postings on that site. (Warning, woo is strong on that site) He behaved badly on jref forum and so was banned then went to other sites (more than one) and said things like the above. Yet he never made any claim of paranormal ability, beyond the fact that he could do stage magic and talk.

Dave "I'm a demonstrably retarded blowhard" Koenig is a demonstrably retarded blowhard. He never made any claims because he wanted to exploit the MDC for publicity. It has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.

ETA: Does anyone know where that remarkable idiot is currently spouting off? I haven't heard about him in years.

[William Smith]

Dave "I'm a demonstrably retarded blowhard" Koenig is a demonstrably retarded blowhard. He never made any claims because he wanted to exploit the MDC for publicity. It has nothing whatsoever to do with this thread.

ETA: Does anyone know where that remarkable idiot is currently spouting off? I haven't heard about him in years.

Can anyone else appreciate the irony in this statement?



I would have to agree with rjh01. As long as no rules are broken - bending them however hard does not count as broken, right? - let people say whatever they want. (That Koenig fella knew how to press my cider, oh did he ever.)

Think of the JREF as an elephant. Could a little pecker really hurt it? Of course not. Let them peck already. Peck, peck, peck, tweet, tweet, tweet, bark, bark, bark.

The process exposes their motive perfectly and documents it for others to see. That seems a long way to go for the E in education but they are doing it.

And here, Sean84, is the parallel between Koenig and Connie Sonne. Their motives may be different but the modus operandi is all too similar: Look at me, look at me, look at me, ...

[Dumb All Over]

I would have to agree with rjh01. As long as no rules are broken - bending them however hard does not count as broken, right? - let people say whatever they want. (That Koenig fella knew how to press my cider, oh did he ever.)
rjh01 was arguing from a position of paranoia. In agreeing with his position, are you paranoid, too? Are you paranoid that Connie Sonne is more dangerous to the JREF as an ex-forum member than she is as a member? Has Koenig become more of a threat since his banning?
The process exposes their motive perfectly and documents it for others to see. That seems a long way to go for the E in education but they are doing it.
The E in education needs to be forcibly applied to Connie herself. She needs to be educated in the ways of politeness and proper etiquette. For she believes it is perfectly ok to enter someone's house, drink their coffee and eat their scones, call the host a cheater and threaten to sue him, and then demand more coffee and scones. A banning might educate Connie and others that you don't treat your host with such contempt without appropriate consequences.

People, there is nothing to fear from the likes of Connie Sonne and Koenig, whether they are members here or not.

[rjh01]

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People, there is nothing to fear from the likes of Connie Sonne and Koenig, whether they are members here or not.

This is the one part of your post I agree with. Since there is nothing to fear from
Connie Sonne let her remain a member. She is doing no damage.

[Czarcasm]

This is the one part of your post I agree with. Since there is nothing to fear from
Connie Sonne let her remain a member. She is doing no damage.Wrong.
She serves as an example to others that you can get away with threatening to sue this board and/or JREF. Consistency in Moderation is a strength that shouldn't be ignored in cases like this.

[Tricky]

Wrong.
She serves as an example to others that you can get away with threatening to sue this board and/or JREF. Consistency in Moderation is a strength that shouldn't be ignored in cases like this.
The consistency, in this case, is that every potential violation is examined in context. My personal (not as mod) feeling is that this is not a credible threat and does no damage to the JREF. Indeed, I think it enhances their image as an organization that is not afraid of the rantings of a silly person.

[Sean84]

Can anyone else appreciate the irony in this statement?

So far not yet.

[Dumb All Over]

Yesterday, Connie was banned from the forums for threatening legal action against the JREF. Bye bye, Connie.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

Yesterday, Connie was banned from the forums for threatening legal action against the JREF. Bye bye, Connie.

Hopefully, someday she'll get the help she needs.

[JoeTheJuggler]

Yesterday, Connie was banned from the forums for threatening legal action against the JREF. Bye bye, Connie.

Yep.. . and my understanding is that delay in the banning was just to check the legal ramifications since she was a MDC applicant.