Gore to endorse Dean

[Foofer]

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Vice President Al Gore will endorse former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean for the party's 2004 presidential nomination, Democratic sources said Monday.

Great news for Dean.

I wonder how Lieberman is feeling right now. Ouch.

[Otther]

He probably understands... He also has reason to want revenge. ;)

[Supercharts]

Memo to John Kerry...
You are back at square one...when you were just a ******* from Massachusetts.

PS: We hate your phony BS too. Have a nice day.
:dl:

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by Otther
He probably understands... He also has reason to want revenge.Yes, it only stands to reason that Mr. Gore has kept in touch with Sen. Lieberman and in recent days discussed the decision to go with Dean.

Still, too bad for Joe.

[peptoabysmal]

It's official then; Dean has been chosen as the sacrificial lamb for 2004. Hillary has already started her 2008 campaign, since she won't have to wait until 2012. :D

[corplinx]

The most important job for the president of the united states is foreign affairs.

Everything else is b*llshit. The "domestic" agenda. All b*llshit. The president's other job is to sign bills congress passes.

That said, I think Howard Dean is simply unfit to be president. When he referred to palestinian freedom fighters in the Black Caucus debate, I applauded when Joe Lieberman gave him his comeuppance.

Howard Dean doesn't strike me as fit to serve as CIC, fit to prosecute the war on international terrorism, or fit to be the defacto "leader of the free world".

The shocking thing is that Al Gore is backing this man who supports these palestinian "freedom fighters". I thought it was unfair when people talked trash about what Al Gore would have done/not done after Sept. 11. However, with him backing Howard Dean now I have to wonder.

[The Central Scrutinizer]

One phony loser endorsing another. This is news?

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by corplinx
The most important job for the president of the united states is foreign affairs.

Everything else is b*llshit. The "domestic" agenda. All b*llshit. The president's other job is to sign bills congress passes.

That said, I think Howard Dean is simply unfit to be president. When he referred to palestinian freedom fighters in the Black Caucus debate, I applauded when Joe Lieberman gave him his comeuppance.

Howard Dean doesn't strike me as fit to serve as CIC, fit to prosecute the war on international terrorism, or fit to be the defacto "leader of the free world".

The shocking thing is that Al Gore is backing this man who supports these palestinian "freedom fighters". I thought it was unfair when people talked trash about what Al Gore would have done/not done after Sept. 11. However, with him backing Howard Dean now I have to wonder.

It seems to me that whenever we change presidents, the terrorists try something new. Perhaps testing the new president's resolve. I think that if Dean gets elected, and another 9/11 incident takes place, we would find Dean crumpled up in the oval office in the fetal position.

I would not want to be on the front lines in Iraq with the "Howard Empowered" in control of the situation.

[Ed]

Gore hasn't given up on the big job. The last thing he wants is a Dem win in 2004, particularly, God forbid Hil. Like Arnold, he'll be back in 2008.

Another Dem death-roll.

OTOH, this is the thinking that gave us Clinton.

Dean gets me nervous and the Dems seem hell bent on loosing.

[KelvinG]

Originally posted by peptoabysmal


I think that if Dean gets elected, and another 9/11 incident takes place, we would find Dean crumpled up in the oval office in the fetal position.


Hey, I seem to recall it was George W. who was crying on TV after 9/11.

[VicDaring]

Dean's stance on the Palestinians vs. Israel is, "We ought to be an honest broker."

That not only seems reasonable to me, it seems like the only approach that's likely to be successful.

Spinning that into "support" is just silly.

Oh, and frankly GWB doesn't strike me as fit to serve as CIC, fit to prosecute the war on international terrorism, or fit to be the defacto "leader of the free world".

[Ed]

Originally posted by KelvinG


Hey, I seem to recall it was George W. who was crying on TV after 9/11.

In fairness, why not explain the circumstances.

[corplinx]

Originally posted by VicDaring
Dean's stance on the Palestinians vs. Israel is, "We ought to be an honest broker."


wow, what a straight talker........

[peptoabysmal]

Originally posted by KelvinG


Hey, I seem to recall it was George W. who was crying on TV after 9/11.

I wasn't implying Howard Dean would cry. Dean hates America too much to cry about an attack on US soil. You can expect Dean to shed tears over illegal immigrants not getting driver's licenses.

I'm implying that Dean couldn't handle the responsibility of an attack on US soil.

[VicDaring]

Originally posted by corplinx


wow, what a straight talker........

What's not straight about it?

Sports analogy if I may...If the Cowboys are playing the Eagles, and the officiating crew comes to work decked out in Eagles gear, and spends the pre-game standing on the Eagles sideline, chatting, backslapping, and accepting gifts, then players and coaches for the Cowboys have a right to be be suspicious.

Dean's just saying we ought to wear our striped shirt to the bargaining table here. Again, I'm missing the non-straight part.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
Yes, it only stands to reason that Mr. Gore has kept in touch with Sen. Lieberman and in recent days discussed the decision to go with Dean.

Still, too bad for Joe.

Let's be clear, here: Gore has screwed Lieberman. Lieberman made a point of his loyalty to Gore, not announcing his candidacy for President until Gore officially stated that he would not run, etc.

And Lieberman claims that Gore's endorsement of Dean was a complete surprise (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_12_07.html#002297) to him.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by VicDaring
Dean's just saying we ought to wear our striped shirt to the bargaining table here. Again, I'm missing the non-straight part.

Since Israel is our ally and the Palestinians are not, it would be dishonest to pretend otherwise. Unless Dean is suggesting that before we come to the table we should renounce our friendship to Israel. If that's what he means, he should say so - that would be straight talk. If he means that there is another path to becoming an 'honest broker', then he should (perhaps he has, can you link me?) spell that out.

MattJ

[corplinx]

Originally posted by VicDaring


Dean's just saying we ought to wear our striped shirt to the bargaining table here. Again, I'm missing the non-straight part.

If its straight talk, why do you have to spin it? Duh.

Its a carefully crafted statement that enough room is left in for anyone to read and be saitsified with.

[Supercharts]

With Gore along Dean will also have to allow Donna Brazile on his team. If that does happen it should push Dean's message off-center and to the left. Meaning that his message will start to encompass the more liberal Democratic policies of the past. Clearly that would be a mistake in the next election because Dean will stand to lose any fence-sitting Republican and/or independent.
Dean will also have to continence Gore repeatedly saying that he (The Party) was 'robbed' of the last election. That will also take some of the control away from Dean and move the issue into Gore's view - and that doesn't bode well for Dean.
The only real winner in this race at this point would be Kerry. He raised a lot of money in the last year. If he drops out now, or after New Hampshire, he can keep his contributions to finance his re-election to the Senate and be perceived as a 'loyal', put-the-party-first, Democrat.

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by aerocontrols
Let's be clear, here: Gore has screwed Lieberman. Lieberman made a point of his loyalty to Gore, not announcing his candidacy for President until Gore officially stated that he would not run, etc.

And Lieberman claims that Gore's endorsement of Dean was a complete surprise (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2003_12_07.html#002297) to him. I stand corrected.

It's a curious, counter-intuitive bit of news that Sen. Lieberman didn't find out the old-fashioned way, that is, direct from Mr. Gore. So unusual, in my opinion, that I suspect there's a component of the story we're not hearing.

[aerocontrols]

Originally posted by Supercharts
With Gore along Dean will also have to allow Barbara Brasil on his team.

I believe you mean Donna Brazile.

Or possibly Barbara Bush, but I consider this much less likely.

[VicDaring]

I don't think this is that tough to understand, but here's Dean's policy statement:

Mideast Peace Process (http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_policy_foreign_mideast)

[Jocko]

The funny thing is, I heard on ABC news tonight that Gore was desperate to associate himself with someone who could actually BEAT Bush next year.

If that's the case, why did he run in 2000? It's a sad comment when you can't even endorse yourself!

Never mind, Dean is a semi-psychotic volcano waiting for an excuse to erupt. I sincerely hope the Dems nominate him so they can hit rock bottom. Only then will they begin to rise again as a viable political philosophy.

But it won't be this year. I'll give you Dean with a spread of 12 states. Any takers?

[Frank Newgent]

Originally posted by Jocko
I'll give you Dean with a spread of 12 states. Any takers?
Sounds good, Jocko. But these terms can be slippery. Does that mean you're giving me eleven states, as in large rectangular ones?

[Regnad Kcin]

Originally posted by The Central Scrutinizer
One phony loser endorsing another. This is news? Originally posted by peptoabysmal
Dean hates America too much...Ah yes, the silly season has begun.

[Luke T.]

Originally posted by Regnad Kcin
It's a curious, counter-intuitive bit of news that Sen. Lieberman didn't find out the old-fashioned way, that is, direct from Mr. Gore. So unusual, in my opinion, that I suspect there's a component of the story we're not hearing.

I was thinking the same thing. As much as I dislike Gore, it is hard to believe he would be so cowardly, or discourteous at the very least.

[Luke T.]

Gore's endorsement of Dean probably won't have much of an impact on the voters. It may impact the campaign finance money people, though, and that is what really counts.

Wait til Mrs. Clinton comes out with her endorsement. Then the sparks will really fly. But she is pretty wily, on the other hand. She'll probably wait until there is a solid first place contender.

[SRW]

Originally posted by Luke T.
Gore's endorsement of Dean probably won't have much of an impact on the voters. It may impact the campaign finance money people, though, and that is what really counts.

Wait til Mrs. Clinton comes out with her endorsement. Then the sparks will really fly. But she is pretty wily, on the other hand. She'll probably wait until there is a solid first place contender.

I though that the Clintons endorsed Clark, and look what happened to him. I just wonder if Gore is endorsing Dean to give Lieberman a boost.

Or it just could be that Gore really is the slime bag I always thought he was.


Politics ya just gotta love it.

[SRW]

Originally posted by VicDaring
I don't think this is that tough to understand, but here's Dean's policy statement:

Mideast Peace Process (http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_policy_foreign_mideast)

I do not see anyting new here, except

_______________________________________________

Continuing this progress will require the full engagement of the United States at the highest level.

________________________________________________

Where in his forien policy statment he lists his priorities.

_________________________________________________

First, defeat the threat posed by terrorists, tyrants, and technologies of mass destruction.

Second, strengthen our alliances and ensure Russia and China are fully integrated into a stable international order.

Third, enlarge the circle of beneficiaries of the growing world economy.

And fourth, ensure that life on our fragile planet is sustainable.
__________________________________________________

Why no mention of Israil here? Or does he put them in with the terrorists and tryants.

[Frank Newgent]

Originally posted by Jocko

Dean is a semi-psychotic volcano waiting for an excuse to erupt. I sincerely hope the Dems nominate him so they can hit rock bottom. Only then will they begin to rise again as a viable political philosophy.

But it won't be this year. I'll give you Dean with a spread of 12 states. Any takers?
Sounds good, Jocko. But these terms can be slippery. Does that mean you're giving me eleven states, as in large rectangular ones?
Finally, don't you think?. A Bush supporter rational enough to shut up and just bet.

How much, Jocko?