Thoughts on Milton William Cooper (Bill Cooper)

[Mac53]

What are your thoughts and information (provide links) about him.

I can't seem ot find anything...

I type in Alex Jones debunked and sites come up, same with many of the other researchers. Nothing about this guy though.

I know most of his story just don't seem to find any negative stuff about him. he was the guy who predicted 9/11. He died in a police shootout 1-2 months later) I am not saying or imply anything jsut presenting what happened so don't jump on my balls for presenting info.

Thought? Info? Links?

Mac

[StoneWT]

Try using the search function. "Bill Cooper" under 'Title Only' should work.

[dudalb]

Another Loony Tune who thought that Aliens were secretly taking over the world.
Boy, between Icke and Cooper, you show know how to pick batcrap crazy sources.

[Dr. Lao]

Bill Cooper was ******* insane.

He also had lots of silly JFK woo that he pitched.

Nothing he ever predicted came true and he is largely forgotten, except for someone to laugh at.

[Mac53]

I care not for your opinion but for your links.

it shows how much you have looked into this dudalb I have heard him say on a radio show that he feels he was given the offical documents while workign in high positions as a set up and he then said he does not believe in aliens.

I don't care for your beliefs because they clearly show how ignorant you are and how fast you judge people. You credibility is 0. Post links, evidence or GTFO.

So far 3 replys sayings hes a nut and 0 evidence to support it. And i just disproved one guy already. I have another question along wiht my original post:

DO you ever actually research the info? Do you actuly study what these guys say or do you just red someones opinion and stick with it as fact because it is more apealiing to your belief?

This is the secound thread i have with people just talking about cliche lines of "conspiracy woo" and yet they prove nothing with no evidence. Wonderful, save your insults show the proof or GTFO

i am here to collect info, so i can coem to a good informed belif if you can't say something iwht evidence then jsut look elsewhere, maybe start a blog or something.

[x] Awaiting evidence please.

[Mac53]

Bill Cooper was ******* insane.

He also had lots of silly JFK woo that he pitched.

Nothing he ever predicted came true and he is largely forgotten, except for someone to laugh at.

He predicted 9/11. Well documented. So he pitched his opinion on a radio show based on the documents that cmae through his desk because he was in a high position of power in many organizations.

What is it that your apart of? Besides the internet? He has accomplished more then you have. (Fact)

Also he died in November 2001. he was insane was he? FBI is insane too, making false claims against him that became untrue and the FBI backed off.

Seems funny how he is insane yet Bill Clinton saw him as a threat. Why would an obviously insane man be a threat to people? He did no harm to anyone (except the cop he shot that was undercover. and pulled out a gun on him) and yet he insane pitching crap?

Does obama go around saying David Icke is a threat on the internet? Does any leader or president even mention some conspiracy theorist name?

I don't know about the JFK stuff or any of that haven't looked into Bill Coopers stuff to much, i am here ot get more info before i look more into it.Not because i'm a nut or a CT but i want ot see what his perspectiveon thigns is. I am not like you who just listen to the media and the biased belifs and laugh at the rest of them.

Anyways, don't post ******** that is backed by nothing. If your going ot call a man insane prove it. Or you jsut trying to use words to hurt his rep? Should i call you a moron because i don't liek what you said? NO. I don't know you and therefore i don't.

Mac

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He predicted 9/11.

Absolutely false. No one, certainly not in the whacko community predicted 9/11. Not Bill Cooper, not Alex Jones, not anyone .

Well documented.

Also completely untrue. If you believe otherwise, then I suggest that you...

Post links, evidence or GTFO.

...please?

[Dr. Lao]

I care not for your opinion but for your links.

it shows how much you have looked into this dudalb I have heard him say on a radio show that he feels he was given the offical documents while workign in high positions as a set up and he then said he does not believe in aliens.

I don't care for your beliefs because they clearly show how ignorant you are and how fast you judge people. You credibility is 0. Post links, evidence or GTFO.

So far 3 replys sayings hes a nut and 0 evidence to support it. And i just disproved one guy already. I have another question along wiht my original post:

DO you ever actually research the info? Do you actuly study what these guys say or do you just red someones opinion and stick with it as fact because it is more apealiing to your belief?

This is the secound thread i have with people just talking about cliche lines of "conspiracy woo" and yet they prove nothing with no evidence. Wonderful, save your insults show the proof or GTFO

i am here to collect info, so i can coem to a good informed belif if you can't say something iwht evidence then jsut look elsewhere, maybe start a blog or something.

[x] Awaiting evidence please.


Tough luck, you got my opinion. Cooper was a paranoid nutcase. Even amongst all the other nutcases Cooper shone above them. If you can't see that, then you have some issues.

Oh, and I have accomplished more than he had. I am still alive, and sane and have never been a scamming scare monger.

Funny, you claim not to know about him, but you sure seem to know about him.

ITS A CONSPIRACY

[longfellow]

What are your thoughts and information (provide links) about him.


Never having heard of a Milton William Cooper, I decided to google (http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&newwindow=1&q=milton+william+cooper+&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g8&fp=yh3gMo6BWa0) him. The first link was to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper#Death). It (the wikipedia article about him) starts out well enough; Air Force brat, educated overseas. Wow, enlisted twice. First in the Air Force and then the Navy right after. Commendable. Seems like a person I'd like to have known.

And then I read farther down on that wikipedia page. UFO conspiracy theories? Kennedy assassination CTs? New World Order?

Really?

I scratched my meager chin and thought: "Aliens are not visiting Earth, Kennedy was shot by Lee Harvey Oswald (who acted alone) and there is no such thing as the New World Order. Unless you're talking about that pact those wrestlers made some time back but that's another thread. Now, I know what is said about wikipedia. Take everything displayed on your screen with lots of salt, right? So I went back out to the tab where my google-search results were and re-scanned the list.

What's this?

An anti-mason (http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/cooper_m.html)?

What in the world is an anti-mason? You know what? This is turning into work! Ten minutes ago I've never even heard of this man and now I'm googling words I didn't even know were part of the lexicon!

Three google pages later and I'm done. I've seen enough. A short time ago I'd never heard of Milton William Cooper and now I can honestly say that, in my opinion, he was woo through-and-through. The only question that remains, in my mind, is where to slot him into the Five Three reasons CTs will last 1000s of years (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=148427).

I'm going with rule #1. It gave him a sense of superiority over everyone else. Which is a shame, really, given his service record. He was already vastly superior to most people I know when it comes to pledging their lives for their country. For cryin' out loud! The man enlisted twice!

These are my thoughts on Milton William Cooper, Mac52: Hell of a patriot but nutty as a fruit-cake. And I can honestly say my life is not richer for now knowing something about him. Matter of fact, I wish there was a way I could get those 10 minutes of my life back but, alas, I know the folly of that aspiration.

I'd had some small hopes that you were indeed a rationalist, Mac53, when you first started posting. However, after having just perused your posting history I think you should know: Your slip is showing.

My ignore list just keeps gettin' longer and longer. Does anyone know if there's a limit to how many people you can ignore?

[Mac53]

Absolutely false. No one, certainly not in the whacko community predicted 9/11. Not Bill Cooper, not Alex Jones, not anyone .



Also completely untrue. If you believe otherwise, then I suggest that you...



...please?

Proof? Your opinion and words mean nothing. Links plz. Or GTFO.

He didn't predict 9/11? Should i post a link to the braodbacst that aired pre 9/11? Or should i jsut go along wiht what you say because you said it and it must be right?

Post evidence plz.

i asked 3 times now. At what point do you realize your just like a CT, that don't prove there theorys with evidence yet here you are doing hte same thing.

IRONY.

evidence please.

[Donal]

Should i post a link to the braodbacst that aired pre 9/11?

That would do a lot towards validating your claim

[Sword_Of_Truth]

He didn't predict 9/11? Should i post a link to the braodbacst that aired pre 9/11?

Yes, please.

Links or GTFO.

[Dr. Lao]

Conspiracy theorists hate when you ask them for proof.

Just read my sig, says it all.

[Mac53]

Conspiracy theorists hate when you ask them for proof.

Just read my sig, says it all.

I hate it really? i am in the process of finding the broadcast. to bad i am not a conspiracy theorist. If i was i would put, Bill Cooper is right, 9/11 is an inside job. I am just asking questions and asking for links which no of you provide.

As well i disagree wit hsome of the things that Bill Cooper says, (not done to much study yet) For example his JFK theory is incorrect and has been debunked.

His Aliens theory has been discarded by himself.

Let me get the link to the broadcast. And i suppose you can link me ot sites or somethign that can prove that he is wrong/debunked. We can all post our opinions but we need to back them up. I am going to how about you?

I have asked 4 times, and have gotten nothing but attacks against what i say. And more assumptions of course. I ask "what do you know about bill cooper" and we get the result ofwhat you said above.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I hate it really? i am in the process of finding the broadcast. to bad i am not a conspiracy theorist. If i was i would put, Bill Cooper is right, 9/11 is an inside job. I am just asking questions and asking for links which no of you provide.

As well i disagree wit hsome of the things that Bill Cooper says, (not done to much study yet) For example his JFK theory is incorrect and has been debunked.

His Aliens theory has been discarded by himself.

Let me get the link to the broadcast. And i suppose you can link me ot sites or somethign that can prove that he is wrong/debunked. We can all post our opinions but we need to back them up. I am going to how about you?

I have asked 4 times, and have gotten nothing but attacks against what i say. And more assumptions of course. I ask "what do you know about bill cooper" and we get the result ofwhat you said above.

So there is no video of Bill Cooper predicting 9/11, huh?

[Mac53]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPcia9hQohY

1:20 to 3:12

This is a video in memory of him and of his stuff. he clearly states there will be an attack on the united states of America within the next 2-3 weeks. So there was pre warning of an attack on the united states by Osama (Bill says it was not Osama)

This not specifically say 9/11. He does not say 9/11 is going ot happen on 9/11/2001. he does not say its the twin towers and he does not say those towers would collapse because airplanes hit them and fire burned em down. But this is still "An attack on the United States of America".

So i suppose i should change the argument to he predicted an attack on the united states which did happen.

So can you people present your information which clearly debunks Bill Coopers theory's besides your opinion on who he is (CT)

I guess i just about destroyed every post here. Because you guy enjoy talking a bunch of smack towards conspiracy theories which is understandable. SOme CTs are extremist who will believe everything told to them.

But just because Bill Cooper predicted 9/11 does not mean 9/11 was an inside job. Just means he predicted an attack on the US.

[Donal]

He didn't predict, he guessed. Lots of people were doing that.

After the embassy bombings, it was en vogue to say that an attack on American soil was eminent. Maxim Magazine's September 2001 issue referenced this and laid odds that the US would be attacked within 5 years and that OBL would be responsible.

An issue prior to that laid out several scenerios a terrorist attack could occur. Granted, none of them predicted high jacked airliners ramming sku scrapers, but it was better than anything Cooper, AJ or any of the other constant pessimists did.

And, by the way, that "prediction" of an attack in less than a month came in June 2001.

[Dr. Lao]

Well, he believes in the whole NWO woo, tons of stuff about UFO's and such, the Kennedy conspiracy, bases on the moon, etc.

Where is any of that proved?

Before 9/11, I predicted terrorist attacks. I am so bold as to predict more attacks on our soil. Now, give me $39.95

You should pick better idols, one is a guy that believes that the world is run by shapeshifting aliens, one is a tax cheat with a bunch of silly conspiracy theories who armed himself thinking the Illuminati was coming to get him and shot at police, earning himself a well deserved fatal bullet.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPcia9hQohY

1:20 to 3:12

He gets the targeted countries wrong (he said it would be America and Israel).

He doesn't say anything about the method of attack.

He gets the date wrong (sometime in July).

He got the perpetrator(s) wrong (9/11 was Osama Bin Laden, the NWO doesn't exist).

He got the aftermath wrong (Bush never enacted any major gun control, he instead went the opposite direction nominating pro-gun AGs and SCOTUS judges).

Bill Cooper got every significant aspect of 9/11 wrong. He didn't predict anything.

[longfellow]

Is it just me or is there an air of familiarity about Mac53?

to bad i am not a conspiracy theorist.


And

I guess i just about destroyed every post here.



I don't know. Maybe it is just me. . .but I'm gettin' that deja-vu feeling all over again.

Perhaps it's because. in the 3 years I've mostly lurked 'round these parts. the 'truthers' haven't changed their shtick one iota.

[Mac53]

Is it just me or is there an air of familiarity about Mac53?




And





I don't know. Maybe it is just me. . .but I'm gettin' that deja-vu feeling all over again.

Perhaps it's because. in the 3 years I've mostly lurked 'round these parts. the 'truthers' haven't changed their shtick one iota.

Your opinions is cute, interesting but either discuss the thread or GTFO. Who i am means nothing to the facts. If you don't like me questioning things hten GTFO. Nobody cares that you have a hatred against people who see a possibility in alternative theorys that hte media does not shove down our throats.

[Mac53]

He gets the targeted countries wrong (he said it would be America and Israel).

He doesn't say anything about the method of attack.

He gets the date wrong (sometime in July).

He got the perpetrator(s) wrong (9/11 was Osama Bin Laden, the NWO doesn't exist).

He got the aftermath wrong (Bush never enacted any major gun control, he instead went the opposite direction nominating pro-gun AGs and SCOTUS judges).

Bill Cooper got every significant aspect of 9/11 wrong. He didn't predict anything.

Ok. Can you direct me to a page because i clearly know nothing to the proof linking Osama Bin Laden and his group of 19 extremist that they intact perpetrated 9/11. Don't explain don't give your opinion just show me a link.

seems as every poster here has no provided any evidence only complaints on the enemy in their belief system. Of course you like to make you own assumptions, i am using evidence of what i feel is possible theory.

I have said that Bill Cooper was wrong about 2 things (Aliens, JFK)

BUt it seems to me Sword_Of_Truth that you are trying to personally attack me. Here is the evidence.

"Yes, please.

Links or GTFO. "

You are saying what i said, yet you provide no evidence of what i asked for. Then you say the following.

"So there is no video of Bill Cooper predicting 9/11, huh? "

You responded to that real fast. You think i am a CT when i am only questioning JREF about what they think about Bill Cooper because i could not find any sites that debunk him. (Tried Miltan William Cooper and Bill cooper, all that shows up are Alex jones getting debunked by him and Jordan maxwell.)

Then i do post the evidence and you jump over it. Here is the quote :

He gets the targeted countries wrong (he said it would be America and Israel).

He doesn't say anything about the method of attack.

He gets the date wrong (sometime in July).

He got the perpetrator(s) wrong (9/11 was Osama Bin Laden, the NWO doesn't exist).

He got the aftermath wrong (Bush never enacted any major gun control, he instead went the opposite direction nominating pro-gun AGs and SCOTUS judges).

Bill Cooper got every significant aspect of 9/11 wrong. He didn't predict anythin

So from this io can already see that you provided no evidence ot back your claim that this person is a woo CT. Yet you say so much. You predicted nothing you say? He said attack on United States? Oh, i see the united states was not attacked you mean?

I thought there was no warning about 9/11? (Has this been changed?)

I think that him predicted 9/11 can be dismissed because the reporter brought upon the information from Osama Bin Laden. And then from what i see Bill Just applied his theory to what the reporter said and confirmed there will be an attack.

Was there no attack on Israel?

ok, so can you point me towards the links that back up your thoerys about Bill. Or is it just he belives in things that i do not and therefore he is a Woo CT?

As well the New World Order conspiracy is brought upon by proof from what i know form studing cT and should double check thsi but:

Dollar Bill.
Bush Senior he says that "we will succeed in having a New World Order"
Books of the "elite". WHere they state the world needs a New World Order.

So the CTs didn't make this up it came from these guys.

What is it that they ment by New World Order? Can yopu provide links and sources to this?

Can you people stop thinking and assuming and spiting out your beliefs. You say provide evidence and you provide non. You just criticize and assume things about me. I never said i am a CT, if i was i would belive thsi and leave this forum. I amj still here. I am asking question, askign for the proof. Yeti get nothing but assumptions, and speculation and opinion.

And then you go and laugh at and insult me and CTs which i am myself questioning.

Mac

[NWO Sentryman]

well, Bill cooper talked about:

the protocols of zion meaning "illuminati" instead of the Jews and said it was real :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

He also said that the driver shot jfk:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

As well as there being flying saucers in the ocean :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

He also wrote a lot on the "majestic twelve":rolleyes::rolleyes:

He also claimed to have predicted 9/11:rolleyes:

At least he had the guts to admit he was wrong.

[Mac53]

well, Bill cooper talked about:

the protocols of zion meaning "illuminati" instead of the Jews and said it was real :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

He also said that the driver shot jfk:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

As well as there being flying saucers in the ocean :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

He also wrote a lot on the "majestic twelve":rolleyes::rolleyes:

He also claimed to have predicted 9/11:rolleyes:

At least he had the guts to admit he was wrong.

Yes let use your logic here. Evidence and links are overrated i see.

So you use to many rolleyes smilys. to indicate you find it funny. You seem to provide no evidence because you don't have any. You seem to like to bash people.

i have not looked into him to much hence why i am here because i know that people like to make biased crap about him and it will just be a rabbit whole so CT instead of some information.

A lot of people claim ot see UFO they must be wrong because UFO are impossible. Because aircraft is a CT. Good logic sir.

Can you please provide links instead of bashing people. I care not for what you think of people because it seems that your using this thread as an opportunity to laugh at CT and BIll. I don't care for your jokes, they are not funnny. I do care for your evidence which apears not to be shown. Instead you speak of generalities and say nothign of usefulness.

Why bother posting?

Are you people just wanting ot bash people or do you want to show me the evidence so i can learn? Guess option one is better?

Worthless forums full of egotistical people looking to reconfirm their belifs and talk some crap while someone asks for evidence like 8 times. Wonderful.

[LightinDarkness]

Everyone should be aware that Mac53 is engaging in the classical woo tactic of proposing a CT and then demanding you debunk it while not providing any evidence for it. Its the same old "I'm just asking questions" and "I just want to do the research!" tactics that woos use when they want to spread their propaganda but not actually do the work to provide evidence for it (since they would then discover that their theories are wrong).

Here is how he works:

Step 1: Mac posts some lunatic fringe idea/theory/person and asks for "evidence" that disproves the claim.
Step 2: JREFers chime in and provide some said evidence.
Step 3: Mac claims whatever evidence you provided cannot prove all of the woo in step 1 wrong (using the argument from ignorance fallacy) or that you have not provided enough evidence based on confusing the burden of proof principle.

Rinse, repeat. This won't go anywhere.

[NWO Sentryman]

Yes let use your logic here. Evidence and links are overrated i see.

So you use to many rolleyes smilys. to indicate you find it funny. You seem to provide no evidence because you don't have any. You seem to like to bash people.

i have not looked into him to much hence why i am here because i know that people like to make biased crap about him and it will just be a rabbit whole so CT instead of some information.

A lot of people claim ot see UFO they must be wrong because UFO are impossible. Because aircraft is a CT. Good logic sir.

Can you please provide links instead of bashing people. I care not for what you think of people because it seems that your using this thread as an opportunity to laugh at CT and BIll. I don't care for your jokes, they are not funnny. I do care for your evidence which apears not to be shown. Instead you speak of generalities and say nothign of usefulness.

Why bother posting?

Are you people just wanting ot bash people or do you want to show me the evidence so i can learn? Guess option one is better?

Worthless forums full of egotistical people looking to reconfirm their belifs and talk some crap while someone asks for evidence like 8 times. Wonderful.

Nope, i will provide the links to my claims:

on the driver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rB4mZv3sg

The Protocols and Flying saucers were in the book Behold a Pale Horse

as were the majestic Twelve.

As for 9/11, His co-associates claim that he did predict it. I guess he felt vindicated by this.

[Mac53]

Everyone should be aware that Mac53 is engaging in the classical woo tactic of proposing a CT and then demanding you debunk it while not providing any evidence for it. Its the same old "I'm just asking questions" and "I just want to do the research!" tactics that woos use when they want to spread their propaganda but not actually do the work to provide evidence for it (since they would then discover that their theories are wrong).

Here is how he works:

Step 1: Mac posts some lunatic fringe idea/theory/person and asks for "evidence" that disproves the claim.
Step 2: JREFers chime in and provide some said evidence.
Step 3: Mac claims whatever evidence you provided cannot prove all of the woo in step 1 wrong (using the argument from ignorance fallacy) or that you have not provided enough evidence based on confusing the burden of proof principle.

Rinse, repeat. This won't go anywhere.

oh really? your evidence is your opinion. I think not. Show me the links you sent?

Show me you bashing who i am and what i am doing?

Oops now we now your agenda and your purpose on the forum. To make fun of and insult people you don't like.

i am asking for evidence because i don't know hte answer and i am looking for the answer. Cn you stop baching me and just give me a link so i cna read up on it? That so difficult? You have no problem bashing me? You have problems posting links? That will solve the rants, arguments and your insults towards me?

[Mac53]

Nope, i will provide the links to my claims:

on the driver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rB4mZv3sg

The Protocols and Flying saucers were in the book Behold a Pale Horse

as were the majestic Twelve.

As for 9/11, His co-associates claim that he did predict it. I guess he felt vindicated by this.

Thank you. See peopel posted a link now i can go read. Done and done.

No argument no nothing, just giving me what i wanted. Thanks again

Mac

[NWO Sentryman]

Thank you. See peopel posted a link now i can go read. Done and done.

No argument no nothing, just giving me what i wanted. Thanks again

Mac

Nope, i have provided evidence for my claims. And he ACTUALLY cited the protocols of the elders of Zion, which is a known anti-semitic hoax.

Now this is degenerating into trolling/ad hominem

[Mac53]

Nope, i will provide the links to my claims:

on the driver: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_rB4mZv3sg

The Protocols and Flying saucers were in the book Behold a Pale Horse

as were the majestic Twelve.

As for 9/11, His co-associates claim that he did predict it. I guess he felt vindicated by this.

yea the JFk, driving shooting theory has debunked said that long ago up in this thread,

The pale horse thing is his book? Thats not proof disproving him? Its jsut his book.

Anymore links you can give? We have covered the 9/11 prediction thing, the JFK thing, and aliens thing. (all false, or incorrect"

pm links of your not aloud on this thread...

[NWO Sentryman]

yea the JFk, driving shooting theory has debunked said that long ago up in this thread,

The pale horse thing is his book? Thats not proof disproving him? Its jsut his book.

Anymore links you can give? We have covered the 9/11 prediction thing, the JFK thing, and aliens thing. (all false, or incorrect"

pm links of your not aloud on this thread...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA
for the "9/11 prediction"

As for the Protocols claims (Go to comment 4 in the below link).

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x217887

Now THIS is descending into ad hominem. I am merely stating why he is not a credible source

[LightinDarkness]

oh really? your evidence is your opinion. I think not. Show me the links you sent?

Show me you bashing who i am and what i am doing?

Oops now we now your agenda and your purpose on the forum. To make fun of and insult people you don't like.

i am asking for evidence because i don't know hte answer and i am looking for the answer. Cn you stop baching me and just give me a link so i cna read up on it? That so difficult? You have no problem bashing me? You have problems posting links? That will solve the rants, arguments and your insults towards me?

See the posts above above. Evidence is provided and you are following EXACTLY the same pattern "oh thats not enough evidence its just a book." And here again, evidence has been provided and you will not see it.

You've been exposed. You don't care about the evidence, your a CTer.

[Stellafane]

Your opinions is cute, interesting but either discuss the thread or GTFO. Who i am means nothing to the facts. If you don't like me questioning things hten GTFO. Nobody cares that you have a hatred against people who see a possibility in alternative theorys that hte media does not shove down our throats.


You seem to like to say "GTFO" a lot. Unfortunately, you have no ability to actually make anyone "GTFO." As an anonymous internet poster you can't physically make me do it. And you certainly have shown zero ability to intellectually shame me into doing it. But don't worry, I'll probably wander off eventually after I've had the obligatory few laughs that I suspect you're good for.

Oh, and as for this thread: You asked for thoughts on Milton William (Bill) Cooper. So OK, here's mine: Milton William (Bill) Cooper is a deranged moron, and anyone who spends a single nanosecond thinking his lunatic rantings have any merit is in serious danger of becoming the same. How's that?

[Drudgewire]

Man I loved Bill Cooper. I went batcrap crazy for a couple of years after reading Behold a Pale Horse. Of course being stoned from dawn til dusk every day probably went a long way towards making it believable.

Cooper's lasting legacy is Bill Hicks' take on his "limo driver shot JFK" theory:

"It makes sense, I mean who ever watches the limo driver in the Zapruder footage? We're all looking at the same thing: Jackie's ass as she jumps into the back seat."

[kookbreaker]

The sad part is that while Cooper was playing 'suicide by cop' in order to get more attention for himself he managed to cripple a deputy for life. Swell guy.

[Dr. Lao]

You really aren't helping out your cause. You are demanding that we disprove Cooper, rather than you proving him.

And, when you spell a word wrong, it gets underlined in red while you are typing. That way, you can make a post without looking like a guy who can't spell. If you then ignore the spell check and submit, with the errors...well, that just makes you look worse.

kooks ahoy!

[longfellow]

There's something I don't quite understand, Mac53. The very first sentence in your opening post is this:

What are your thoughts and information (provide links) about him.

I can't seem ot find anything(sic)...(snip)



I did just that. I linked you (and whoever else is reading this thread) to my google search results where you (and whoever else is reading this thread) can begin your own search for 'information' or 'anything' about him. Right off the bat it appears I've done more than you-the one asking about a person I've never heard of.

You asked for my thoughts. I gave them to you. The man was woo. The evidence for this is included in the google page I linked to. All rational people who browse though even just the first page are going to come to the same conclusion.

(non sequitur removed)Nothing about this guy though (snip)


See my first response to you.


I know most of his story just don't seem to find any negative stuff about him. he was the guy who predicted 9/11. He died in a police shootout 1-2 months later) I am not saying or imply anything jsut presenting what happened so don't jump on my balls for presenting info.(sic)


Bolding mine. The google page I linked to is replete with both positive and negative 'stuff' about him. Did you even click on that link? Can't you at least do a little bit of your own research into this gentleman? Can't you make up your own mind? I did. He's woo. I would wager that the vast (VAST!) majority of people who clicked that link came to the same conclusion.

What are you trying to accomplish here, Mac53? What is it you think that posting on this board. in an obscure corner of the vast aether that makes up the internet, is going to achieve?

[timhau]

I think he's just working up to a grand finale where, after everyone has him on 'ignore', he can ask for debunkings about any woo he can think of, get no answers, and declare himself the winner.

[dudalb]

Everyone should be aware that Mac53 is engaging in the classical woo tactic of proposing a CT and then demanding you debunk it while not providing any evidence for it. Its the same old "I'm just asking questions" and "I just want to do the research!" tactics that woos use when they want to spread their propaganda but not actually do the work to provide evidence for it (since they would then discover that their theories are wrong).

Here is how he works:

Step 1: Mac posts some lunatic fringe idea/theory/person and asks for "evidence" that disproves the claim.
Step 2: JREFers chime in and provide some said evidence.
Step 3: Mac claims whatever evidence you provided cannot prove all of the woo in step 1 wrong (using the argument from ignorance fallacy) or that you have not provided enough evidence based on confusing the burden of proof principle.



Rinse, repeat. This won't go anywhere.



Agreed Mac is just doing still another variation on "JAQing off". It's old and it's tired.

[dudalb]

He didn't predict, he guessed. Lots of people were doing that.

After the embassy bombings, it was en vogue to say that an attack on American soil was eminent. Maxim Magazine's September 2001 issue referenced this and laid odds that the US would be attacked within 5 years and that OBL would be responsible.

An issue prior to that laid out several scenerios a terrorist attack could occur. Granted, none of them predicted high jacked airliners ramming sku scrapers, but it was better than anything Cooper, AJ or any of the other constant pessimists did.

And, by the way, that "prediction" of an attack in less than a month came in June 2001.

Not to mention that attack on the WTC in 1993 would sort of make it easy to say that sooner or later Islamic Terrorists would try it again.

[Donal]

That and the attack on the USS Cole.

Factor in the fact that we have open borders and a very open travel policy within those borders, it really was just a matter of time.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

Ok. Can you direct me to a page because i clearly know nothing to the proof linking Osama Bin Laden and his group of 19 extremist that they intact perpetrated 9/11. Don't explain don't give your opinion just show me a link.

It's at the top of this forum, labelled "Resources for debunking 9/11 conspiracy theories".

BUt it seems to me Sword_Of_Truth that you are trying to personally attack me. Here is the evidence.

You were the one who came in here in attack dog mode.

Making demands and telling people to "get the #$%& out" isn't a part of polite conversation.


I think that him predicted 9/11 can be dismissed because the reporter brought upon the information from Osama Bin Laden.

Bill Cooper predicting 9/11 can be dismissed by the fact that he didn't predict 9/11.

ok, so can you point me towards the links that back up your thoerys about Bill. Or is it just he belives in things that i do not and therefore he is a Woo CT?

I have given no theories on Bill Cooper. I merely pointed out that he didn't predict 9/11. Which you have comfirmed yourself by conceeding that he didn't predict anything right about 9/11.

Dollar Bill.

I have a 20 dollar bill in my pocket. What specifically are you referring to?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1c/Canadian20_bill.jpg

Bush Senior he says that "we will succeed in having a New World Order"

President Bush did not say those words.

Can you people stop thinking...

No.

Can you start?

[longfellow]

Not to mention that attack on the WTC in 1993 would sort of make it easy to say that sooner or later Islamic Terrorists would try it again.


Yah, right! That's just what they* want you to think.

*'they' of course being that faceless omnipotent global cabal that secretly runs the world as you know it. Think Neo and the Matrix. You've got to get your brain outside the box and free yourself from the spoon-fed propaganda of 'mainstream media'. Wake up.

Stand up. Start a revolution. Unless it rains, of course.

Oh well, back to my Stargate marathon on SYFY. <--is that not the silliest renaming of a television network ever, ever? [/derail]

[dudalb]

Hell, I could say that the 1977 film "Black Sunday" predicted 9/11, except for the target.....

[Gord_in_Toronto]

Hell, I could say that the 1977 film "Black Sunday" predicted 9/11, except for the target.....

and the 1976 Hijacking of Air France Flight 139 (Tel-Aviv-Paris) in which the hijackers planned to crash the plane into Paris.

[Dave Rogers]

Hell, I could say that the 1977 film "Black Sunday" predicted 9/11, except for the target.....

Actually, I could say that "When Harry Met Sally" predicted 9/11. After all, it may have missed the date, and the bit about the terrorist attack, but it predicted that something would happen in New York.

Dave

[Klimax]

Running man...

[timhau]

Yes, Running Man the novel predicted 9/11 with eerie accuracy (I'm sure there were some media company offices in the towers). Good catch.

[Klimax]

Yes, Running Man the novel predicted 9/11 with eerie accuracy (I'm sure there were some media company offices in the towers). Good catch.

It lacks only one thing...

INSIDE JOB! :D

[CptColumbo]

Hell, I could say that the 1977 film "Black Sunday" predicted 9/11, except for the target.....There is also the book "Debt of Honor" where a JAL pilot crashes into the US capital and the actual plot of Samuel Byck to crash a plane into the White House to kill then-President Richard Nixon.

For a second I thought this thread would be about "Dan Cooper." Which is a much more interesting topic.

[timhau]

It lacks only one thing...

INSIDE JOB! :D

Oh please. You think a blacklisted nobody like Ben Richards could pull that off by himself? WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!

[Klimax]

Oh please. You think a blacklisted nobody like Ben Richards could pull that off by himself? WAKE UP, SHEEPLE!!

Truth! He was led by chief of security on the plane!

He could along with other security officers parachute out! (And no need to go through landing gear)

[Mac53]

I see that people still don't answer my inquiry.

i just wanted links to research the specified topics. Yet it turns out i have ot prove my theory? I don't get that but whatever.

I guess JREF is more interested in bashing people to feel better about there intelligence.

I was actuly pointed by some people to links and one guy said to look at the resources to 9/11 conspiracy at top of page or something. I am new here, guess people didn't figure that one out.

Thanks anyways, i understand i have to do my own research, you are here just to re spit out the same info you believe it to make it stronger. (I am not implying anything, jsut na observation, does anything new come to this forum or is it the same thing over and over?)

Thanks.

Mac

[dudalb]

Spellcheck is your friend, Mac.

[NWO Sentryman]

Spellcheck is your friend, Mac.

well, i use firefox. errors don't show up.

[Mac53]

Spellcheck is your friend, Mac.

ignorance is yours

silence is a good rpospect.

Keep on topic. No one cares for your opinion. Do not discrimnate against a forum meber based on belifs.

if i where black would you also make jokes at me? Would you also bash me?

equivalent ot racism.

Talk about thread or stop bumping it.

Thanks

[LightinDarkness]

Note hes still doing the same cycle of CT logic:

Step 1: Demand that evidence be provided to debunk something for which Mac has offered no evidence in favor of nor any specific claims to debunk.
Step 2: JREF members provide general links to address general claims, since nothing specific has been claimed.
Step 3: Mac claims that JREF responses and research does not provide enough evidence to debunk anything, dismissing everything provided in sum no matter what it is.
Step 4: Cry about how you just want to do research but no one is providing it for you and use personal insults.

Return to step 1.

Rinse, repeat.

[Dr. Lao]

Seriously, there is an online spell check. How hard is it to take 3 more seconds and produce a response that people can read? Or is the spell checking software part of a NWO/Illuminati conspiracy?

[Arus808]

Firefox has a spell check built in (and a built in dictionary). it underlines any word that type wrong, and you just right click and choose from the list to correct.

[Mac53]

Firefox has a spell check built in (and a built in dictionary). it underlines any word that type wrong, and you just right click and choose from the list to correct.

Does it bother you that much that you have ot repeat what the guy above you said?

i already found the resources ot 9/11. I was looking for more resources on Bill Cooper, because i have not found anything debunking him. I thin individually one can debunks theory of his but just his whole theorys because they differ very much from the general CT.

I am not saying this claim is valid. I suppose my approach is incorect. All i am asking for is resources to debunk the whole of Bill Cooper if they exist. I tried to put in his full name and then his nick name as well and just found him debunking Alex Jones as a fear monger and Jordan Maxwell as a Occult believer. Thats the only thing have to do with him and "debunking"

i have done some research but on the individual theory he presents but bare in mind his CT is much different the nthe ones now.

"Note hes still doing the same cycle of CT logic:

Step 1: Demand that evidence be provided to debunk something for which Mac has offered no evidence in favor of nor any specific claims to debunk.
Step 2: JREF members provide general links to address general claims, since nothing specific has been claimed.
Step 3: Mac claims that JREF responses and research does not provide enough evidence to debunk anything, dismissing everything provided in sum no matter what it is.
Step 4: Cry about how you just want to do research but no one is providing it for you and use personal insults.

Return to step 1.

Rinse, repeat. "

I understand the logic you came up with this. My approach was wrong but why you msut copy paste this on three threads is beyond me. And why you say it it beyond me. I don;t need you to specifically debunk things. You speak of generalities in the 4 steps if you want to prove something provide the specific quote and i guess we cna argue about what ou think of me? (pointless)

But i guess that your style, go around and insult people, judge people, make up conclusions based on very little data and understanding and questioning of that person.

Instead of assuming i am a CT ask me "Do you believe in 9/11 Inside job thoery" "Do you think Vax are bad" If i say yes to the inside job thin then you cna go on and say "your a CT etc etc.

Why discriminate if we are all looking for truth? Why not be mature and help provide the resources to people? Ignore who they are and what they stand for?

But off topic but once again, i am goign ot defend myself and oint out that you have a problem.

Can someone post some resources to debunk the whole of Bill Cooper?

Mac

[LightinDarkness]

I understand the logic you came up with this. My approach was wrong but why you msut copy paste this on three threads is beyond me. And why you say it it beyond me. I don;t need you to specifically debunk things. You speak of generalities in the 4 steps if you want to prove something provide the specific quote and i guess we cna argue about what ou think of me? (pointless)

Please provide where I have copied and pasted this on three threads. I have not. You see, I originally came up with a 3 step method of the logic you were using and then you changed your logic some what, so I came up with the 4 step method.


But i guess that your style, go around and insult people, judge people, make up conclusions based on very little data and understanding and questioning of that person.

I love how the same guy who runs around calling people stupid, morons, threatens personal violence, etc. claims that I am insulting and judging you. Its hilarious. Here is the truth: the only person doing any of these things is you.


Instead of assuming i am a CT ask me "Do you believe in 9/11 Inside job thoery" "Do you think Vax are bad" If i say yes to the inside job thin then you cna go on and say "your a CT etc etc.

You are a CTer, the beliefs you express represent a belief in woo. You expressed those beliefs, not me. If you do not wish to be called a CTer, then don't be one. Its really just that simple.


Why discriminate if we are all looking for truth? Why not be mature and help provide the resources to people? Ignore who they are and what they stand for?

Not this line again. You are the one being immature and ignoring the evidence provided to you.


But off topic but once again, i am goign ot defend myself and oint out that you have a problem.

You can stop, because no one is falling for it - you have a serious problem.


Can someone post some resources to debunk the whole of Bill Cooper?

Mac

No, but you can start by providing a specific claim that we can debunk.

Let me demonstrate my psychic powers: In your next response, you will again try to act like a victim and claim that no one is answering your questions while using multiple personal insults against me. You will completely ignore the request that you provide a specific claim.

[longfellow]

While I commend your efforts, LightinDarkness, I sure hope you didn't spend too much time on the above.

It's becoming quite clear to me (and, I should hope, most everyone else) that Mac53 isn't willing to meet anyone half-way. I mean, if he can't be arsed to at least look at the multiple sources detailing the woo that constituted Mr. Cooper, why should we bother?

And yes, Mac53, Mr. Cooper has been exposed in toto as a woo in the links provided to you throughout this thread. There is no need for anyone here to go point-by-point and debunk only those things which you decide need debunking. I say it again: The man was woo through-and-through. Any rational person can see this.

What a myopic view of the world you must have.

[Mac53]

While I commend your efforts, LightinDarkness, I sure hope you didn't spend too much time on the above.

It's becoming quite clear to me (and, I should hope, most everyone else) that Mac53 isn't willing to meet anyone half-way. I mean, if he can't be arsed to at least look at the multiple sources detailing the woo that constituted Mr. Cooper, why should we bother?

And yes, Mac53, Mr. Cooper has been exposed in toto as a woo in the links provided to you throughout this thread. There is no need for anyone here to go point-by-point and debunk only those things which you decide need debunking. I say it again: The man was woo through-and-through. Any rational person can see this.

What a myopic view of the world you must have.

i understand. I don't want your debunked arguments. There is 6 billion people , you would waste time repeating yourself. I jsut wanted resources.

[Mac53]

Please provide where I have copied and pasted this on three threads. I have not. You see, I originally came up with a 3 step method of the logic you were using and then you changed your logic some what, so I came up with the 4 step method.



I love how the same guy who runs around calling people stupid, morons, threatens personal violence, etc. claims that I am insulting and judging you. Its hilarious. Here is the truth: the only person doing any of these things is you.



You are a CTer, the beliefs you express represent a belief in woo. You expressed those beliefs, not me. If you do not wish to be called a CTer, then don't be one. Its really just that simple.



Not this line again. You are the one being immature and ignoring the evidence provided to you.



You can stop, because no one is falling for it - you have a serious problem.



No, but you can start by providing a specific claim that we can debunk.

Let me demonstrate my psychic powers: In your next response, you will again try to act like a victim and claim that no one is answering your questions while using multiple personal insults against me. You will completely ignore the request that you provide a specific claim.

I am just going to argue one thing. Since you liek to argue anything that you can pounce on. I did not threaten violence on anyone. I have no idea where you got this.

I am a CT yet in 3 threads i agree with the 9/11 official story based on the evidence in the NIST report that i got to look at in this forum with the 9/11 resource links. Got that? Or you still on me begin a CT because it suites your arguments?

I don't want you to go point by point why Cooper is a fraud, hoax w/e. I don't even want you opinion. I just assume you did research and have some links handy. If you don't i'll try myself, i can debunk the idivdual claims but i haven't found liek the generality of his complete claim because it ties into a bigger CT. That is what i am after.

My approach as i look back on it was not well thought out. Because with that logic i would be asking you to debunk every 9/11 myth etc in the thread. You sort of cornered me into it but thats ok. My fault i did not highlight what i was in search of.

Ok, so once again, drop the anger. Stop arguing on anything that i write. It makes no sense, all it does it make you feel better. (You will argue against this obv).

Disregard most things i said and jsut provide me some links or places i can do the research. That is it. I don't want you to do anything else. You seem to know lots of CT so maybe you have links if not just don't post.

Provide some resources or else specify to go do self research.

Ok thanks. you should have nothing ot argue about now. Or so i hope. Just provide some resources i can use...

Also long fellow what is "toto". I am not sure what this is... Can you specify further?

thank you for all your help, let's get back on topic and get something done.

[Sword_Of_Truth]

I see that people still don't answer my inquiry.

We did answer one claim you made, that Cooper predicted 9/11 (he did not).

[Caustic Logic]

Ok thanks. you should have nothing ot argue about now. Or so i hope. Just provide some resources i can use...

Also long fellow what is "toto". I am not sure what this is... Can you specify further?

thank you for all your help, let's get back on topic and get something done.

Hey Mac, welcome. Sorry for the knee-jerk welcome you've got from others, but your request seems incoherent, though I think we do finally get it. And then everyone shuts up. What's up with that? However, you have the air of a genuine person with real questions, which is rare among the many drive-by CTists we get JAQ-ing off here. Therefore I'd like to help you out.

But... I don't know Cooper's theories or the debunks except a tiny bit. He seems pretty confused. And I'm not motivated to go find a unified debunk source. If you are so motivated, why not keep looking and if there is one, share the link here in answer to your own question, and for the education of others. And if not, but you think there should be, why not study the various point-by-points and assemble your own one-stop-Cooper-debunk-stop. Maybe someone else here will help, me I just stop and say hey, don't give up. :)

Also, "in toto" is Latin I believe for in totality, completely, etc. Some reckon it's where the band got its name.

[Sunray Breaker]

I am asking questions, askign for the proof. Yeti get nothing but assumptions, and speculation and opinion.

Gee, that's EXACTLY what happens with the Skeptics community. They ask you a question that you can't answer and you drudge up the same tired, old and debunked assumptions, speculations and opinions that they're sick of hearing. Take it from me brutha, I've studied Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, Jordan Maxwell...All the big wigs in this field for the last five years and even believed it!!! But it's bullspit. You want links? Go to ythe damn library and read the 9/11 Commission Report for yourself. Because most people who believe in this stuff, or defend it, never HAVE actually read that report.

Most of my CT buddies that see me reading it keep saying:

"You know that's a big lie right?"
I reply, "Really, have YOU read it?"
They've replied three times now, "Uh...no"

You need to keep in mind that most valuable information is not gonna be found in a 3-5 page news article. You'll find it in political science books, biographies, "comission reports" the NIST report (which the Truth movement Lied TREMENDOUSLY about both), etc.

I can't provide you a link for a 565 page book that you need to take time to read. As well as several others.

PS
Yeti's get plenty more than assumptions!!!

[eirik]

Well, after reading this thread and two others by Mac53, it is my firm belief that he is infact a CTer, and that he is just JAQing off. He could just be lacking in communicating skills, but I really don't think so.

Links and information was initially provided by posters by his request, among with peoples opinion about Bill Hooper. But then personal attacks and goalpost began flying everywhere in Mc53 posts, claiming that no information was given, and that he did not CARE for others opinions, just links. The links provided was ignored, and he demanded MORe info and links, which he continued to ignore.

This is what's happening in the other threads as well. Show some sportsmanship, and don't heckle the people trying to help you out.

This is just elaborate and illiterate trolling.

[Mac53]

Gee, that's EXACTLY what happens with the Skeptics community. They ask you a question that you can't answer and you drudge up the same tired, old and debunked assumptions, speculations and opinions that they're sick of hearing. Take it from me brutha, I've studied Alex Jones, Bill Cooper, Jordan Maxwell...All the big wigs in this field for the last five years and even believed it!!! But it's bullspit. You want links? Go to ythe damn library and read the 9/11 Commission Report for yourself. Because most people who believe in this stuff, or defend it, never HAVE actually read that report.

Most of my CT buddies that see me reading it keep saying:

"You know that's a big lie right?"
I reply, "Really, have YOU read it?"
They've replied three times now, "Uh...no"

You need to keep in mind that most valuable information is not gonna be found in a 3-5 page news article. You'll find it in political science books, biographies, "comission reports" the NIST report (which the Truth movement Lied TREMENDOUSLY about both), etc.

I can't provide you a link for a 565 page book that you need to take time to read. As well as several others.

PS
Yeti's get plenty more than assumptions!!!

First off, what is the 565 page book about?

I did reply to the links given, i think i laughed at wiki though.. I used the JREF resources for debunking 9/11 that one user directed me to.

I don't think i am a CT since i pretty much have denied all the claims at this point. They are just fear for profit type things. Does anyone remember a time where the pope would give oyu a spot in heaven if you gave/donated him money? This is no different except these guys generally put out thee stuff for free and then just sell hard copies to raise capitol.

The reason i was curious about the other post about Bill Cooper was because he did it all for free, and had a unique situation and experiences in very high positions if anyone would care to research. The majority of these CT leaders just post some article, and tell their opinion on it. It's liek a talk show about CTs...cept you got to pay.

keep in mind Bill died in 2001 2 months after 9/11. The thing is he never got ot read the evidence you have, he was busy being dead. I read somewhere he corrected himself as to say that aliens don't exist and the papers he saw across his desk might have bee na set up.

he also says how this could all be a ploy or whatever. He wasn't to interested in CTs, but in freedoms of people.

With or without CTs there is somethign wrong in the world, it is not perfect somethign msut be done but we can't go around saying the leaders are reptiles or whatever.

Deal with what you now, not what you think you know...

Thanks for the help, i don't think i will go any further ot even bother debunking this unless i come across some interesting article or something.

Thanks everyone, my apologies for the randomness and the hate posts.

Mac.

[Drudgewire]

Mac, have you actually read "Behold a Pale Horse" yet? I can't recommend it highly enough.

Amazon link (http://www.amazon.com/Behold-Pale-Horse-William-Cooper/dp/0929385225/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1248442195&sr=8-1)

I'd also suggest checking out a copy of Kooks: A Guide to the Outer Limits of Human Belief (http://www.amazon.com/Kooks-Guide-Outer-Limits-Belief/dp/0922915679) which dedicates an entire chapter to Cooper.

[Caustic Logic]

Well, after reading this thread and two others by Mac53, it is my firm belief that he is infact a CTer, and that he is just JAQing off. He could just be lacking in communicating skills, but I really don't think so.

Links and information was initially provided by posters by his request, among with peoples opinion about Bill Hooper. But then personal attacks and goalpost began flying everywhere in Mc53 posts, claiming that no information was given, and that he did not CARE for others opinions, just links. The links provided was ignored, and he demanded MORe info and links, which he continued to ignore.

This is what's happening in the other threads as well. Show some sportsmanship, and don't heckle the people trying to help you out.

This is just elaborate and illiterate trolling.

I confess I didn't really read the thread. Mostly I was speaking to the person I imagined would genuinely write the post I was responding to. No answer. Mac, I take back what I said. I'm glad you abandoned the unspecified 9/11 woo coz of the JREF things. Now just go read the book if you haven't. Coherent questions might just be answered. Best of luck with your wondering-type stuff, or whatever it is.

[Mac53]

I confess I didn't really read the thread. Mostly I was speaking to the person I imagined would genuinely write the post I was responding to. No answer. Mac, I take back what I said. I'm glad you abandoned the unspecified 9/11 woo coz of the JREF things. Now just go read the book if you haven't. Coherent questions might just be answered. Best of luck with your wondering-type stuff, or whatever it is.

what book?

[eirik]

See?

[kageki]

He gets the targeted countries wrong (he said it would be America and Israel).

He doesn't say anything about the method of attack.

He gets the date wrong (sometime in July).

He got the perpetrator(s) wrong (9/11 was Osama Bin Laden, the NWO doesn't exist).

He got the aftermath wrong (Bush never enacted any major gun control, he instead went the opposite direction nominating pro-gun AGs and SCOTUS judges).

Bill Cooper got every significant aspect of 9/11 wrong. He didn't predict anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy4EyBstOsA

You've completely distorted what he said.

Cooper never made claims to the targeted countries. He was relaying what Osama supposedly said in the interview.

Cooper also never made a firm prediction on the date. He said possibly 2 to 3 weeks, if not eventually. It doesn't matter that he didn't predict the specific method of attack.

Here is the main point if you want to be stubborn about it:

Osama was already wanted and being tracked by the US government at the time, but somehow a CNN crew finds him and interviews him. That is odd when you think about it and it is a very good point.

Did anyone else, such as Maxim magazine, specifically cite this interview with Osama as the reasoning for predicting 9/11? Not that I am aware of.

Again he never made a firm prediction regarding the aftermath. Just that these types of events won't stop until all the guns are taken away.

You seemed to have gotten everything wrong about what Bill Cooper actually said in that broadcast.

Has Osama been convicted of 9/11? No. Is there firm proof of his guilt? No.

--------------------------------------------

Regarding the protocols read this:

Protocols Forgery Argument is Flawed
http://www.savethemales.ca/000298.html

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Besides that I don't understand the point of this thread. Bill Cooper is a famous CT and the OP is asking the opinion from people who debunk CTs...

[Dave Rogers]

Cooper never made claims to the targeted countries. He was relaying what Osama supposedly said in the interview.

Cooper also never made a firm prediction on the date. He said possibly 2 to 3 weeks, if not eventually. It doesn't matter that he didn't predict the specific method of attack.

So he made a prediction that someone would carry out a terrorist attack, some time in the future, against someone. Is that it? And if so, what exactly are we being asked to debunk?

Dave

[kageki]

So he made a prediction that someone would carry out a terrorist attack, some time in the future, against someone. Is that it? And if so, what exactly are we being asked to debunk?

Dave

Why don't you actually listen to the broadcast first of all?

It's apparent to other listeners that what he said was pretty significant and relevant to the 9/11 attacks.

He predicted that Osama would be involved due to the curious event of CNN interviewing Osama.

[Dave Rogers]

Why don't you actually listen to the broadcast first of all?

Because I prefer the written word. Is there a transcript available ?

It's apparent to other listeners that what he said was pretty significant and relevant to the 9/11 attacks.

He predicted that Osama would be involved due to the curious event of CNN interviewing Osama.

OK, so the one firm prediction Cooper made was that Osama bin Laden, a known terrorist who had previously attacked US targets, would at some time in the future make a terrorist attack but not necessarily against the USA, and this has been taken by truthers as a prediction of the 9/11 attacks? In other words, the one thing Cooper predicted is the one aspect of the attacks that they (and, it appears, you) don't believe is true?

Dave

[Walter Ego]

Cooper was too nutty even for Alex Jones. :eye-poppi

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Now what does that tell you?

[kageki]

Because I prefer the written word. Is there a transcript available ?



OK, so the one firm prediction Cooper made was that Osama bin Laden, a known terrorist who had previously attacked US targets, would at some time in the future make a terrorist attack but not necessarily against the USA, and this has been taken by truthers as a prediction of the 9/11 attacks? In other words, the one thing Cooper predicted is the one aspect of the attacks that they (and, it appears, you) don't believe is true?

Dave

No and it's only like a minute long.

What makes you feel qualified to even discuss this if you don't know the subject matter? I don't even understand your last sentence.

It's cute how you people continuously ignore the part of Osama being interviewed by CNN. That's kind of the key point of his commentary. Otherwise he didn't make a prediction out of the blue.

[kageki]

Cooper was too nutty even for Alex Jones. :eye-poppi

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Now what does that tell you?

Because Cooper had called out Alex for being a shill. That is why Alex doesn't like Cooper.

Do your homework before making spurious comments.

[Drudgewire]

Cooper was too nutty even for Alex Jones. :eye-poppi

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Now what does that tell you?


That Jones is one of "them." :tinfoil

Seriously, in Cooper's world he was the only CTer that wasn't really a disinfo agent.

[eirik]

Because Cooper had called out Alex for being a shill. That is why Alex doesn't like Cooper.

Do your homework before making spurious comments.

Do you think of the notion that Alex Jones is a government/NWO/whatever plant is a very sound allegation? Does sound like a somewhat troubled mind.

[Walter Ego]

Because Cooper had called out Alex for being a shill. That is why Alex doesn't like Cooper.

Do your homework before making spurious comments.

Plonk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(usenet))! :D

[kageki]

Do you think of the notion that Alex Jones is a government/NWO/whatever plant is a very sound allegation? Does sound like a somewhat troubled mind.

And you don't think Alex isn't a basket case himself? Alex hates David Icke too so what's your point?

The difference is that everyone pretty much hates Alex while Cooper and Icke have large followings.

This is a stupid thread anyways. These people think Bill and Alex and anyone is troubled. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their opinions.

[kageki]

Plonk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plonk_(usenet))! :D

Like I care. Too bad I would still have to suffer more posts from you though.

[eirik]

You were asked what it meant, that Alex Jones was called crazy by Jones. You said:

Because Cooper had called out Alex for being a shill. That is why Alex doesn't like Cooper.
Do your homework before making spurious comments.

So you insinuated that Jones didn't mean it, and that Cooper was not crazy, to which I answered

Do you think of the notion that Alex Jones is a government/NWO/whatever plant is a very sound allegation? Does sound like a somewhat troubled mind.

And you don't think Alex isn't a basket case himself? Alex hates David Icke too so what's your point?

I think they are all ******* crazy. What is YOUR point? What is it that you are arguing? It is not clear to anyone.

This is a stupid thread anyways. These people think Bill and Alex and anyone is troubled. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their opinions.

Huh?

[Walter Ego]

Quote:
This is a stupid thread anyways. These people think Bill and Alex and anyone is troubled. Doesn't take a genius to figure out their opinions.

Re: Bill Cooper, I think that anyone who elects "suicide by cop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_William_Cooper#Death)" could be accurately labeled as "troubled."