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Demigorgon
20th July 2009, 07:46 AM
Can't see the details of the contract, but under what circumstances could you see this being justifiable?

http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/contracts-recipient-summary&id=57-FA466106D0006&primeid=1400

The Central Scrutinizer
20th July 2009, 07:49 AM
I could see it being justified if the door cost $1.4 million to repair.

TriskettheKid
20th July 2009, 07:52 AM
Considering the location to be Dyess AFB, I'm betting the door is important, and quite large....as in, a hangar door.

JoeTheJuggler
20th July 2009, 07:53 AM
I think it's a hangar door. I'm also not sure that the "available funding" is necessarily what the contract is worth.

(NB: Both of these tidbits should be considered rumor. I just gleaned them from anonymous posts on discussion forums.)

chulbert
20th July 2009, 07:56 AM
Considering the location to be Dyess AFB, I'm betting the door is important, and quite large....as in, a hangar door.

Precisely: "Repair Hangar Doors, 5112"

http://www.defenselink.mil/RECOVERY/pdfs/Texas.pdf

Architect
20th July 2009, 07:56 AM
Trust me, you need to know a lot more about this before you can comment.

Rasmus
20th July 2009, 07:56 AM
Can't see the details of the contract, but under what circumstances could you see this being justifiable?

http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/contracts-recipient-summary&id=57-FA466106D0006&primeid=1400

What kind of door are we talking about? How many doors, even?

It says "MAINT-REP-ALT/OFFICE BLDGS" on the site, so I guess it's not anything painted by daVinci not a super-complex vault door guarding a secret nuclear missile facility under some mountain or the reactor chamber of a power plant or the door to the space shuttle or any such thing ...

But if this is a contract to fix and refurbih all of the 3275 doors in some office building: Sure, sounds fair and reasonable.

ponderingturtle
20th July 2009, 08:54 AM
Considering the location to be Dyess AFB, I'm betting the door is important, and quite large....as in, a hangar door.

And there might have been more than one door.

ponderingturtle
20th July 2009, 09:00 AM
What kind of door are we talking about? How many doors, even?

It says "MAINT-REP-ALT/OFFICE BLDGS" on the site, so I guess it's not anything painted by daVinci not a super-complex vault door guarding a secret nuclear missile facility under some mountain or the reactor chamber of a power plant or the door to the space shuttle or any such thing ...

But if this is a contract to fix and refurbih all of the 3275 doors in some office building: Sure, sounds fair and reasonable.

Not seemingly, it seems that building 5112 is a hanger from this (http://www.defenselink.mil/RECOVERY/pdfs/Texas.pdf)

And the link in the OP says nothing about office bldgs. It says

REPAIR DOOR BLDG 5112


Now is that a fair price for hanger doors? How should I know?

JoeTheJuggler
20th July 2009, 11:12 AM
Can't see the details of the contract, but under what circumstances could you see this being justifiable?

http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/contracts-recipient-summary&id=57-FA466106D0006&primeid=1400

Since this is making all the right wingnut blogs now, I wonder if anyone bellyaching about the $1.4 million door has gone on record reporting this as fraud/waste or abuse?

http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/fraud-waste-and-abuse

I suspect not, since then they'd have to substantiate their claim rather than expressing outrage based on ignorance.

Rasmus
20th July 2009, 11:39 AM
And the link in the OP says nothing about office bldgs.

It does, if you click on View Details. But a hangar door it is.

leftysergeant
20th July 2009, 11:53 AM
We are talking about a sliding dooor taller and wider than a 757, okay? How does that work for you?

ponderingturtle
20th July 2009, 12:01 PM
It does, if you click on View Details. But a hangar door it is.

I found it, but it is a description of what the company does not what the job is. Seems like a general contractor more or less.

roger
20th July 2009, 12:20 PM
For crying out loud, we generate stuff like this all the time.

You have a contract, the customer asks for another, say, $30,000 of work. The $30K gets tacked on, making the total (say) $5,432,121, and the contract mod gets called "install artwork" or whatever it is the tiny job is. Holy fork, five million to hang a lousy photo, cries drudge. (drudge was the original publisher of this stuff).

Another thing that happens is that the Government wants you to do a lot of stuff, but starts you out with X. They have, say, $5M available, that doesn't mean you get the $5M for the first job you do.

If you look at the details, the contract was modded for 250K for the door repair:
http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/contracts-recipient-summary&id=57-FA466106D0006&mode=details&primeid=1400

But it's more exciting to not look at the facts and run about crying about fraud, I guess.

Rolfe
20th July 2009, 01:42 PM
Trust me, you need to know a lot more about this before you can comment.


Are you back, or is this still sunny Menorca?

/OT

Rolfe.

Demigorgon
20th July 2009, 01:57 PM
For crying out loud, we generate stuff like this all the time.

You have a contract, the customer asks for another, say, $30,000 of work. The $30K gets tacked on, making the total (say) $5,432,121, and the contract mod gets called "install artwork" or whatever it is the tiny job is. Holy fork, five million to hang a lousy photo, cries drudge. (drudge was the original publisher of this stuff).

Another thing that happens is that the Government wants you to do a lot of stuff, but starts you out with X. They have, say, $5M available, that doesn't mean you get the $5M for the first job you do.

If you look at the details, the contract was modded for 250K for the door repair:
http://www.recovery.gov/?q=content/contracts-recipient-summary&id=57-FA466106D0006&mode=details&primeid=1400

But it's more exciting to not look at the facts and run about crying about fraud, I guess.

You're right.

Tsukasa Buddha
20th July 2009, 03:02 PM
You people make Glenn Beck cry! Why won't you believe?

TriskettheKid
20th July 2009, 03:08 PM
You people make Glenn Beck cry! Why won't you believe?

Because it makes Glenn Beck cry.