What's your theory about 9/11?

[carlitos]

PLEASE DO NOT JUST 'ASK QUESTIONS' IN THIS THREAD. Post your theory, or the alternative theory that you find most credible.
Why do I need a theory?
If your goal is to troll internet fora for a reaction, you don't.

[Profanz]

PLEASE DO NOT JUST 'ASK QUESTIONS' IN THIS THREAD. Post your theory, or the alternative theory that you find most credible.

If your goal is to troll internet fora for a reaction, you don't.

You asked me to come here. That was a question. If you want to dish it out then you better open wide while I'm shoveling it back down your throat.

[carlitos]

So, you don't like the common narrative, but you don't have a better explanation. That sounds like ... nothing. How is this (lack of?) belief system working out for you.

[Profanz]

So, you don't like the common narrative, but you don't have a better explanation. That sounds like ... nothing. How is this (lack of?) belief system working out for you.

The "common narrative". That's funny. So you are common. Congratulations.

[carlitos]

Plonk. I'm too lazy to report Homeland Insurgency's latest incarnation, so someone else please do some investigoogling. This poster adds nothing to the conversation.

[DGM]

You'd think after spending as much time on this as he has he'd at least have some kind of coherent thought. (never mind I keep forgetting who we're talking about). :o

[aggle-rithm]

Why do I need a theory?

Because reasonable people accept the theory that fits the evidence best. As far as 9/11 goes, there is only one theory. Since neither you nor any other truther has one, you shouldn't expect reasonable people to take you seriously.

[aggle-rithm]

The "common narrative". That's funny. So you are common. Congratulations.

Look up the word "equivocation".

[Jono]

Truthers are the skeptics of your conspiracy theory.

They are skeptical, yes, but they aren't skeptics. Basically the same difference between a guy who's critical of something and someone who's a critical-thinker.

[Thunder]

Truthers are the skeptics of your conspiracy theory.

they are only skeptical for political reasons. science has nothing to do with their ideas.

and they hate America.

[cratorius]

Why do I need a theory?

We need a theory, because we need to test it, there is no use in trying to start a new investigation without a new theory. Just give us a hypothesis, no proofs, just make it probable.

But since you guys refuse to come up with an alternative, you are in fact blocking your El Dorado, "A New Investigation".
Shill!

This proves that truthers are in on it.;)

[MaGZ]

My theory on 9/11:

AQ did it.

The Mossad was operating in the US under the guise of Israeli Art Students watching the hijackers at the request of US intelligence agencies. The Mossad reported back to the Americans but did not relay any information they learned indicating a coming attack. The US was caught by surprise on 9/11 because Israel did to tell what they knew.

KSM ran the operation in the US, and meet groups of hijackers in Las Vegas on several occasions.

The plan on 9/11 by AQ was to takeout the Twin Towers, the Pentagon, the White House and/or Congress and the assassination of President Bush in Florida. Other planes were part of the attack but were grounded. These would-be hijackers ran from the grounded planes.

The planned Bush assassination plot that morning was similar to the assassination of Ahmad Shah Massoud in northern Afghanistan two days earlier with the use of a exploding camera. The explosives in the camera was prepared days earlier by Atta using a "Mother of Satan" explosive mixture.

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.

The anthrax attacks that followed over the next few weeks was a Mossad operation that was initially planned as early as 1998 but was moved up as a follow-on to the 9/11 attacks. The anthrax attacks were designed by Israel to get the US to attack and invade Iraq. The anthrax came from their bio-weapons lab in Nes Ziona.

[MaGZ]

In the time I have spent here, I have only seen two CTists attempt to put together a coherent theory: A-Train and Sizzler. All of the rest make it quite clear that they do not have any theories (RedIbis in particular), but are only here to attempt to poke holes in what they call the "Official Theory".

Sad, really.

I have a coherent therory. Add me to the list.

[Toke]

There was no military stand-down. One passenger plane was almost shot-down over Ground Zero (one missile hitting WTC 7 and another flying into the Hudson River). The hijacked plane over Pennsylvania was downed by an American fighter.

So the missile spent an hour or two hovering before hitting wtc7?
And there were no trace of bullet holes in the wreckage in Pennsylvania, and some reason or other to deny a shooting down.

WTC 7 was a controlled demolition to prevent the building from toppling over into the search and rescue area.

You have the problem of a ninja demolition team rigging a burning building.

[MaGZ]

It's just my own humble opinion, but having had this conversation elsewhere, focusing the discussion on making affirmative theories weeds out the unserious. I know that I'm a recent arrival, and probably being unrealistic, but I would love to coax the skeptics truthers to post here if at all possible.

I accept your challenge.

[MaGZ]

So the missile spent an hour or two hovering before hitting wtc7?
And there were no trace of bullet holes in the wreckage in Pennsylvania, and some reason or other to deny a shooting down.



You have the problem of a ninja demolition team rigging a burning building.

The fighters came from Otis air base and fired at the second airliner as it was crashing into WTC 2 at 9:03 that morning.

[dtugg]

I have a coherent therory. Add me to the list.

I suppose you attempted which is much more than 99.9% of twoofers so I suppose you deserve some credit even though you are racist scum.

That the Mossad knew about the attacks but failed to notify the US is possible although I find it unlikely.

That WTC7 was hit with an air to air missile and then CD'd is completely bat**** crazy and apparently your only "evidence" is a bird flying across a shot.

That UA93 was shot down is less crazy but also supported by nothing and contradicted by a lot of evidence.

[Brainache]

MaGZ's theory was going quite well until he got to the part about the missile and WTC7.

Why ruin a perfectly plausible (as far as these things go) "Jews LIHOP" theory with total nonsense which just makes the whole thing even easier to dismiss?

Really MaGz, you would be doing yourself a huge favour if you dropped the whole "Missiles at Ground Zero" part of your fantasy.

[MaGZ]

MaGZ's theory was going quite well until he got to the part about the missile and WTC7.

Why ruin a perfectly plausible (as far as these things go) "Jews LIHOP" theory with total nonsense which just makes the whole thing even easier to dismiss?

Really MaGz, you would be doing yourself a huge favour if you dropped the whole "Missiles at Ground Zero" part of your fantasy.

Thanks for the half-hearted compliment, but this is what I believed happened. I have read what I could on the topic, spun it together, filling in the blanks, to come up with the best scenario to some of the more intriguing aspects of 9/11.

[Thunder]

The fighters came from Otis air base and fired at the second airliner as it was crashing into WTC 2 at 9:03 that morning.

lie.

[Thunder]

I have a coherent therory. Add me to the list.

:p

[Brainache]

Thanks for the half-hearted compliment, but this is what I believed happened. I have read what I could on the topic, spun it together, filling in the blanks, to come up with the best scenario to some of the more intriguing aspects of 9/11.

You are the only person that I know of who thinks that an air-to-air missile hit WTC7. There is no evidence for it, a missile wouldn't do anywhere near the amount of damage that the debris from the towers did and the whole idea adds nothing to the overall scenario except an element of pure madness.

Oh well, good luck with that.

[paloalto]

If you are familiar with Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower" you know that Wright says that the CIA had obstructed the FBI Cole bombing investigators in their investigation of this attack.

According to the account of Ali Soufan by Lawrence Wright, Soufan first asked the Yemen CIA station in November 2000, if the CIA had been aware of any al Qaeda planning meeting in south east Asia that had taken place in January 2000, or had any information on Walid Bin Attash, aka Khallad, thought to be the mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole. He was told there was no information at the CIA on any al Qaeda planning meeting in southeast Asia or on Bin Attash.

But just after Bin Attash had been identified on December 16, 2000 by the FBI/CIA joint source from the passport of bin Attash, Soufan had attached to his request, according to the DOJ IG report, “CIA overseas personnel” requested photos from the CIA Bin Laden unit of Walid Bin Attash and Khalid al-Mihdhar taken at this al Qaeda Kuala Lumpur planning meeting to also be shown to the FBI/CIA joint source. While no one has ever identified the “CIA overseas personnel” described in the DOJ IG report, it is now clear it was the Yemen CIA station that made this request since the results of showing these photos to the FBI/CIA joint source was sent back to the Yemen station. In any case the Yemen station and the CIA Bin Laden unit were aware that Bin Attash had been identified at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting on January 4, 2001, and yet never gave this information to Soufan, committing the federal crime of withholding material information from an ongoing FBI criminal investigation.

Snipped for compliance with Rule 4.

I agree with the findings of the 9/11 Commission, and the additional information I have read like Lawrence Wright's excellent The Looming Tower. Al Qaeda planned, financed and conducted a terrorist attack on the United States on September 11, 2001, by simultaneously hijacking 4 aircraft and crashing them into 3 out of 4 of their targets. The 4th jet was crashed to the ground once the passengers figured out what was going on. The World Trade Center 1 & 2 suffered structural damage due to plane impact and fires and collapsed. WTC 7 suffered damage from being struck by WTC debris and fire and collapsed.

Here is a thread where those who believe alternative explanations can post their best theory. Post your theory as to who / what / when / how the attacks of 11-September, 2001 were planned, financed and executed.

PLEASE DO NOT JUST 'ASK QUESTIONS' IN THIS THREAD. Post your theory, or the alternative theory that you find most credible.

[1stClassAlan]

Ah, things have moved on a little since my last visit - we now have a C.T'er that imbues small airborne anti-aircraft missiles with the power of building demolition! How did it do that then? How did the firing aircraft's acquistion & targeting radar manage to lock-up a BUILDING????

We also have a slight problem of whether any of the aircraft "scrambled" ( I hesitate to use that word as it was more of an amble into the sky that day ) actually had any mission armourment of any kind loaded for readiness - most of these "go see" fly-bys are in unarmed aircraft.

I can also see from posts that C.T.'s are confused by the term "shotdown" - they seem to think that automatically means the use of a gun rather than by any means including missiles.

As far I understand - Otis A.F.B. has only National Guard F15 - and very few of these actually on standby with the pilots godknows where at short notice - does anyone know if any were launched and if they were armed?

Some good posts on the machinations of the secret services - I believe that most of these guys ( of all nations ) are nations unto themselves and don't reveal anything to anyone unless forced or doing so can engender good job prospects for the boss - in Great Britain they are all looking for a Knighthood and a big house in Surrey.

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

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[aggle-rithm]

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

.

Right, it's more like a distributed system where the components make asynchronous calls to each other.

(Of course, last year when I was knee deep in web services, I would have said it was just like a web service.)

[Jackanory]

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

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'International Terrorists' used to be the buzz word. They changed it to Al Queada for some reason known only to pen pushers. 'Insurgence' then became a by -product popular buzz word. Al Queada is harder to spell and pronounce and is why the twoofers say 'gubmint' instead.

[MaGZ]

Ah, things have moved on a little since my last visit - we now have a C.T'er that imbues small airborne anti-aircraft missiles with the power of building demolition! How did it do that then? How did the firing aircraft's acquistion & targeting radar manage to lock-up a BUILDING????

We also have a slight problem of whether any of the aircraft "scrambled" ( I hesitate to use that word as it was more of an amble into the sky that day ) actually had any mission armourment of any kind loaded for readiness - most of these "go see" fly-bys are in unarmed aircraft.

I can also see from posts that C.T.'s are confused by the term "shotdown" - they seem to think that automatically means the use of a gun rather than by any means including missiles.

As far I understand - Otis A.F.B. has only National Guard F15 - and very few of these actually on standby with the pilots godknows where at short notice - does anyone know if any were launched and if they were armed?

Some good posts on the machinations of the secret services - I believe that most of these guys ( of all nations ) are nations unto themselves and don't reveal anything to anyone unless forced or doing so can engender good job prospects for the boss - in Great Britain they are all looking for a Knighthood and a big house in Surrey.

Al Queada - does mean "network" but don't think of it as a network like the Web - it's merely a loose band of isolated cells that mainly work by themselves but occasionally can be asked to do tasks by folk they look up to.

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Profile: Otis Air National Guard Base
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=otis_air_national_guard_base

[funk de fino]

Profile: Otis Air National Guard Base
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=otis_air_national_guard_base

Mike Catalano. Look him up.

[1stClassAlan]

Well, I have no way of knowing just how reliable this quote is but for what it's worth :-


"The aircraft maintenance squadron officer started preparing the base’s F-15s for combat less than 15 minutes after the second attack in New York (see (9:15 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Spencer, 2008, pp. 155] But despite the reportedly “furious pace of the weapons handlers” who “hurried to fix all available jets with live weapons,” only a few jets have so far been loaded with any armament. [Cape Cod Times, 9/8/2002; Spencer, 2008, pp. 245]"


So it would seem that no aircraft took to the air BEFORE the attacking planes had already hit their targets and even then were probably not armed.

What's really needed is a post or two from folks who were working on the base - preferrably aircraft armourers.

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[Sam.I.Am]

Well, I have no way of knowing just how reliable this quote is but for what it's worth :-


"The aircraft maintenance squadron officer started preparing the base’s F-15s for combat less than 15 minutes after the second attack in New York (see (9:15 a.m.-9:35 a.m.) September 11, 2001). [Spencer, 2008, pp. 155] But despite the reportedly “furious pace of the weapons handlers” who “hurried to fix all available jets with live weapons,” only a few jets have so far been loaded with any armament. [Cape Cod Times, 9/8/2002; Spencer, 2008, pp. 245]"



So it would seem that no aircraft took to the air BEFORE the attacking planes had already hit their targets and even then were probably not armed.

What's really needed is a post or two from folks who were working on the base - preferrably aircraft armourers.

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I think that there were only two planes armed and ready at each of the bases designated as being on standby that day and only two of those bases were within range of NYC and DC. What the article seems to be covering was getting some of the other fighters armed. It's not SOP to have all of your squadrons armed and ready for maintainence and safety reasons. At the time two was considered satisfactory.

[carlitos]

You seem to have a really hard time understanding that threads here are kept ON TOPIC, so I am pasting your theory about 9/11 in the appropriate thread, since your off-topic derails keep getting deleted / moved by the moderators. You are welcome. :) I believe the US government purposefully, and with full cooperation with elements of Saudi Arabia, Israel, and Pakistan, allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen. I also believe explosives were planted in wtc 7, probably 1 & 2 as well. I *think* they may have been planted by US agents, but they may as well have been planted by some other agents. However, teh level of technologically advanced explosive that would have had to be used says U.S.

The reasons were of course the wars, and to cover up and end the SEC investigations of Enron and Worldcom, because many high level politicians were knee deep in that poo, and even if they didn't know it was done for them, they are still powerful enough pawns that needed to be saved.

I believe it took around 4 to 5 dozen orchestrators, a couple dozen patsies, and thousands of people doing their jobs. And yes, I believe Dick Cheney knew damn well, and W didn't have a clue.

I further believe that the military was not involved, they simply took their orders, yes that means I believe Cheney either gave the orders to stand down, or was sure the military was occupied elsewhere, and confused by the drills they were running.

I further believe the reason for the lack of any disciplinary action, whatsoever, is because they did not want any kind of investigation. Indeed, that is why the investigation was poorly funded, and why it took months before it was even begun.

although you think this now gives you tons of ammo to "debunk" me, don't bother, I've seen and heard it all before, and frankly, most of it is total and utter denial driven piss poor logic.

[Thunder]

I think this whole topic is a travesty and an insult to science.

There is only one TRUE theory about what happened on 9-11, and that is the so-called OCT.

A theory, is a hypothesis that is based on verified evidence, and ideas that can be tested and reproduced.

There is NO "theory" by 9-11 truthers that is based on verifiable evidence, or experiments that can be reproduced in a lab.

[aggle-rithm]

You seem to have a really hard time understanding that threads here are kept ON TOPIC, so I am pasting your theory about 9/11 in the appropriate thread, since your off-topic derails keep getting deleted / moved by the moderators. You are welcome. :)

Proof positive that it's better to claim you don't have a theory and make people think you're a moron, than to post something like UWdude did and remove all doubt.

[djlunacee]

9/11....what happened? How? Who? I will be honest, at first I guess you could call me truther, not the Judy Woods or Jim Fetzer or David Icke fringe star wars, aliens did it. But some of the theories being spun forth by that movement seemed plausible, so in my foolishness, I took them at face value and went on with my life. However, being in my line of business, (I work for the mortgage division of a major financial institution) seeing the state of today's economy, I started to seek out some of the foundations as to the reason why.

What happened? 19 really pissed off radical muslims boarded 4 seperate planes, took control of said planes and managed to strike three of their targets the two towers, and the pentagon, period. There were no bombs in the buildings, it was not a cover up, the brave souls of flight 93 did fight back, and try to regain control of that flight or at least make it abort from its final destination. It was absolutely a military still ambush, textbook almost. How do you destroy a country? Take out their financial nerve center, Twin Towers...Hit their military complex, Pentagon...cut off the head of the proverbial snake.....congress/white house. These were educated men that plotted, and coordinated these attacks, not cave dwellers as some put it.

In my opinion plain and simple, they caught us with our pants down. I have read all the science papers from Bazant, Greening, Mackey, and the rest. I have also read the trash from DRG, Jones, and the likes. I have seen the debates by Mark Roberts. 9/11 was a terriorist attack, nothing else. The real tragedy lies in the fact that some people still do not get it.

[twinstead]

In my opinion plain and simple, they caught us with our pants down. I have read all the science papers from Bazant, Greening, Mackey, and the rest. I have also read the trash from DRG, Jones, and the likes. I have seen the debates by Mark Roberts. 9/11 was a terriorist attack, nothing else. The real tragedy lies in the fact that some people still do not get it.

Fortunately, that tragedy is mitigated somewhat by the fact that these 'truthers' will always be a tiny fringe group forever spewing their nonsense only on internet forums and cult websites.

[cantonear1968]

"What's your theory about 9/11?"

Hijackers, planes, fire.

Please have your facts & evidence ready if you disagree with that.

[dafydd]

And what exactly is wrong with that?

If you can't see what's wrong with that then you are beyond help.

[dafydd]

My comment wasn't directed at you. It's not my theory, but I think Stellafane has the right tack as far as just having a reasonable conversation about possible theories. In the interest of time, I'll probably stick to the most specific and sincere questions. Any attempt at getting me to summarize, arguably the most complex single day in American history and what I think "really happened" isn't going to elicit much of a response from me.

I wonder why that is! I suppose the events of that day would seem complex to a truther,for the rest of us it's pretty straightforward.

[NWO Sentryman]

I believe that it was Al-Qaeda fanatics who wanted to bring abotu a worldwide nightmare. Nuff said.

[LashL]

Posts on overthrow of Allende split to a new thread here (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=176430).

[carlitos]

Breaking my self-imposed early boycott to cross-post this into the appropriate thread. Any more enlightenment from sts75 on this hypothesis would be most welcome.

Do you think that a giant orbiting laser destroyed the WTC? Your hero does.


No i think mossad facilitated the whole event for and on behalf of a faction of the C.I.A., who in turn were acting on behalf of bush senoir and others in the ex presidents club trading as haliburton, i prefer to follow the money in any crime.

[9/11 Chewy Defense]

"What's your theory about 9/11?"

Extremists from Afghanistan plotted & planned the destruction of the WTC since their first attack in 1993. That fires can cause steel to warp & bend, since steel workers have the ability to shape steel with fire & electricty. That gravity caused the WTC's to fall & not by some imaginary "explosives" & an "evil death ray from space". That whatever a Truther says is totally & utterly garbage & not to be taken seriously due to the lack of physical evidence because they're crazy people who need psychiatric help.

[ImANiceGuy]

A cabal of Global Elite's orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 to further their geo-political efforts. The war on terror is actually just a permanent war economy. There is no d-day coming...

[T.A.M.]

A cabal of Global Elite's orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 to further their geo-political efforts. The war on terror is actually just a permanent war economy. There is no d-day coming...

another evidenceless based theory. I have a theory that the four horsemen are Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Kenny from south park. I have as much proof as you do for my theory, so they are both equally valid, I think.

TAM;)

[ImANiceGuy]

another evidenceless based theory. I have a theory that the four horsemen are Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, and Kenny from south park. I have as much proof as you do for my theory, so they are both equally valid, I think.

TAM;)

Well I've got record deficit spending on a never-ending war.....this evidence fits my hypothesis.

[ProBonoShill]

A cabal of Global Elite's orchestrated the attacks of 9/11 to further their geo-political efforts. The war on terror is actually just a permanent war economy. There is no d-day coming...

How is a war in Afghanistan furthering the global elite's geo-political efforts?

[paloalto]

If you are familiar with Lawrence Wright's "The Looming Tower" you know that Wright says that the CIA had obstructed the FBI Cole bombing investigators in their investigation of this attack.

According to the account of Ali Soufan by Lawrence Wright, Soufan first asked the Yemen CIA station in November 2000, if the CIA had been aware of any al Qaeda planning meeting in south east Asia that had taken place in January 2000, or had any information on Walid Bin Attash, aka Khallad, thought to be the mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole. He was told there was no information at the CIA on any al Qaeda planning meeting in southeast Asia or on Bin Attash.

But just after Bin Attash had been identified on December 16, 2000 by the FBI/CIA joint source from the passport of bin Attash, Soufan had attached to his request, according to the DOJ IG report, “CIA overseas personnel” requested photos from the CIA Bin Laden unit of Walid Bin Attash and Khalid al-Mihdhar taken at this al Qaeda Kuala Lumpur planning meeting to also be shown to the FBI/CIA joint source. While no one has ever identified the “CIA overseas personnel” described in the DOJ IG report, it is now clear it was the Yemen CIA station that made this request since the results of showing these photos to the FBI/CIA joint source was sent back to the Yemen station. In any case the Yemen station and the CIA Bin Laden unit were aware that Bin Attash had been identified at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting on January 4, 2001, and yet never gave this information to Soufan, committing the federal crime of withholding material information from an ongoing FBI criminal investigation.

Quoted moderated content snipped for Rule 4.

The real story of what had taken place prior to the attacks on 9/11 is available in the public domain, but it is not all in one place.

It turns out there is more than enough information now on the internet located in "US official government reports and on US official government web sites" to put the complete story of 9/11 back together again, it just took some time and effort.

Many of the most important original source materials are located on a web site, www.eventson911.com (http://www.eventson911.com), and come from the following locations:

The Account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan, taken from the New Yorker July 17, 2006 issue. Soufan is the former FBI Agent who testified in front of congress recently on torture, and was the lead FBI investigators on the bombing of the USS Cole.

The US Department of Justice Inspector General’s Report on the performance of the FBI prior to 9/11,

The material entered into the trial of Moussaoui and the testimony given to the US DOJ IG investigators on November 7, 2002 by Sherry Sabol, the attorney FBI Agent Dina Corsi consulted prior to taking the investigation of Mihdhar away from FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, testimony found on page 538 of the 9/11 Commission report.

The material from the Moussaoui trail came from the government web site located at:

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/... /

The account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan comes from FBI Special Agent Steve Bongardt, who was FBI Special Agent Ali Soufan’s assistant on the Cole bombing investigation. This account was given to author Lawrence Wright and vetted by John Miller information officer at the FBI prior to being published in the New Yorker on July 17, 2006 and the book Looming Tower which won a Pulitzer prize in 2007. This account can be considered the official account of the FBI prior to the attacks on 9/11.

I have snipped this lengthy post for compliance with Rule 4 regarding copyright and/or long tracts of text available elsewhere. Instead of cutting and pasting it in its entirety, just post a short segment and provide a link to the pre-existing source.

[paloalto]

The facts of actually what had occurred prior to the attacks on 9/11 has been researched in full and listed at the following link.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/rschop

To summarize;

The CIA and FBI HQ found out that both Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi were inside of the US on August 22, 2001, and even knew they were inside of the US in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands. Yet the CIA and FBI HQ deliberately withheld this information from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing.

But the CIA had been deliberately hiding the names Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi from the FBI Cole bombing investigators since the Cole bombing had taken place. When Walid Bin Attash, the mastermind of the Cole bombing, had been identified from a photograph of him taken at the al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000, and the CIA also had photos of Mihdhar and Hazmi at the same meeting they knew, that these three long time al Qaeda terrorists had been part of the planning of the Cole bombing that had taken place at this meeting. The CIA also knew if the FBI Cole bombing investigators ever became aware of this information, it would expose the CIA culpability in allowing these attacks to have taken place. Just after Bin Attash had been identified at Kuala Lumpur the CIA started a massive wide ranging criminal conspiracy to hide this information from the FBI Cole bombing investigators.

Snipped for compliance with Rule 4. Again, post just a short segment and a link to the other source.


NOTE, all three were on AA 77 that crashed into the Pentagon killing over 200 people.

The actual documents that can prove this theory of what had occurred at the CIA and FBI HQ, that prove they had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place and even the actual reasons why they did this are all listed on www.eventson911.com (http://www.eventson911.com). All of this material comes from US official government source and web sites.

“I hate to say it, but unless someone can provide some new additional information and not their OPINION to effectively refute any of this evidence, they should politely keep their comments to themselves." I don’t want any more uniformed opinions, just facts that can refute any of this information and material.

[Dog Town]

The actual documents that can prove this theory of what had occurred at the CIA and FBI HQ, that prove they had deliberately allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take place .


Interesting OPINION!:rolleyes:


Then there's this:
“I hate to say it, but unless someone can provide some new additional information and not their OPINION to effectively refute any of this evidence, they should politely keep their comments to themselves." I don’t want any more uniformed opinions, just facts that can refute any of this information and material.

Oh' the...


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[Toke]

A shame Ultima1 is gone, I am sure he could have shed light on this.
You know, being an nsa officer and all. :D

[Telltale Tom]

None of you have really outlined the official ae911truth theory:

-Bush presidency starts Jan 20, 2001 and he starts planning false flag attack
-Contact made with terrorists and army (local contact) and air-force and various agencies
- Hastily arranges more pilot training lessons, that have been going on for years
-Scientist agree new thermite weapon best for the job, which is favored over putting a buster bunker on the planes.
-Thermite casing is then designed to survive the fire and any impact damage from the plane.
-Bush decides that it may not be enough to demolish two 110 story towers with 7.6 million square feet and he decides to add the 25 story WTC 7 with another 600,000 square feet of floor area. (this was perhaps their biggest mistake!)
-Local contractor ACE Elevators bribed millions of dollars to place charges in elevator
-Security at immigration, airports and buildings, bribed to look the other way.
-Explosives placed at all levels ready for the big day

- The big day was selected to occur the day after a Giants-Broncos game and a Michael Jackson concert at the Garden, so that most of the financial sector would sleep in.
- Planes impacted towers at the agreed levels with a big bang, avoiding the fire-proof explosives that were cleverly hidden at the same level....
- wait one hour to let most people escape, since the plan is not to kill people.
- then demolish WTC 1 and 2 towers with a small noiseless "bang" (at least compared to the impact explosion) with the failure starting at the impact level.
- then wait 7 more hours and demolish WTC 7

- 99.9% of structural engineers foolled into thinking that explosives were not involved.
And it completely fooled all the tall building experts, or they were part of it and had been consulted.

And here we are eight and a half years later arguing about it.! You know it makes sense, thats why Richard Gage needs thousands of dollars of donations to keep up the good fight.

Happy 4th of July everyone.!

[Woody-]

So thousands of people were in on it and nobody has talked

[Dog Town]

-Bush presidency starts Jan 20, 2001 and he starts planning false flag attack


I love the smell of twoofer contradiction in the morning!


Genius/Moron

[Alan]

Jews with laser beams from outer space did it.

Oh, wait. 9/11?

Sorry. That's the al-Qaeda with planes one.

[Kafka]

None of you have really outlined the official ae911truth theory:

-Bush presidency starts Jan 20, 2001 and he starts planning false flag attack
-Contact made with terrorists and army (local contact) and air-force and various agencies
- Hastily arranges more pilot training lessons, that have been going on for years
-Scientist agree new thermite weapon best for the job, which is favored over putting a buster bunker on the planes.
-Thermite casing is then designed to survive the fire and any impact damage from the plane.
-Bush decides that it may not be enough to demolish two 110 story towers with 7.6 million square feet and he decides to add the 25 story WTC 7 with another 600,000 square feet of floor area. (this was perhaps their biggest mistake!)
-Local contractor ACE Elevators bribed millions of dollars to place charges in elevator
-Security at immigration, airports and buildings, bribed to look the other way.
-Explosives placed at all levels ready for the big day

- The big day was selected to occur the day after a Giants-Broncos game and a Michael Jackson concert at the Garden, so that most of the financial sector would sleep in.
- Planes impacted towers at the agreed levels with a big bang, avoiding the fire-proof explosives that were cleverly hidden at the same level....
- wait one hour to let most people escape, since the plan is not to kill people.
- then demolish WTC 1 and 2 towers with a small noiseless "bang" (at least compared to the impact explosion) with the failure starting at the impact level.
- then wait 7 more hours and demolish WTC 7

- 99.9% of structural engineers foolled into thinking that explosives were not involved.
And it completely fooled all the tall building experts, or they were part of it and had been consulted.

And here we are eight and a half years later arguing about it.! You know it makes sense, thats why Richard Gage needs thousands of dollars of donations to keep up the good fight.

Happy 4th of July everyone.!

Brilliant, absolutely brilliant. We must also remember that any parts of the plan which appear unnecessarily complicated or blatantly foolish were actually part of the NWO's master plan of masking its complicity from future investigations. Indeed, who would possibly suspect anyone of a plan so foolhardy? It was the perfect disguise. And it all would have worked had it not been for the intrepid, pseudo-scientific, anomaly-hunting heroes of the truther community.

[ProBonoShill]

None of you have really outlined the official ae911truth theory:

-Bush presidency starts Jan 20, 2001 and he starts planning false flag attack
-Contact made with terrorists and army (local contact) and air-force and various agencies
- Hastily arranges more pilot training lessons, that have been going on for years
-Scientist agree new thermite weapon best for the job, which is favored over putting a buster bunker on the planes.
-Thermite casing is then designed to survive the fire and any impact damage from the plane.
-Bush decides that it may not be enough to demolish two 110 story towers with 7.6 million square feet and he decides to add the 25 story WTC 7 with another 600,000 square feet of floor area. (this was perhaps their biggest mistake!)
-Local contractor ACE Elevators bribed millions of dollars to place charges in elevator
-Security at immigration, airports and buildings, bribed to look the other way.
-Explosives placed at all levels ready for the big day

- The big day was selected to occur the day after a Giants-Broncos game and a Michael Jackson concert at the Garden, so that most of the financial sector would sleep in.
- Planes impacted towers at the agreed levels with a big bang, avoiding the fire-proof explosives that were cleverly hidden at the same level....
- wait one hour to let most people escape, since the plan is not to kill people.
- then demolish WTC 1 and 2 towers with a small noiseless "bang" (at least compared to the impact explosion) with the failure starting at the impact level.
- then wait 7 more hours and demolish WTC 7

- 99.9% of structural engineers foolled into thinking that explosives were not involved.
And it completely fooled all the tall building experts, or they were part of it and had been consulted.

And here we are eight and a half years later arguing about it.! You know it makes sense, thats why Richard Gage needs thousands of dollars of donations to keep up the good fight.

Happy 4th of July everyone.!

:D

Oh you forgot to mention these same people weren't smart enough to plant a few WMD in Iraq.

[The Platypus]

My theory boils down to one word...


Leprechauns

[Thunder]

9-11 was orchestrated by a conspiracy of all the local NYC tv channels, to end channel 11's years of free advertising.

[1stClassAlan]

And it completely fooled all the tall building experts, or they were part of it and had been consulted.




Forgive me for carving up the original but I want to deal with it in what I see as the best order.
I think that many people would consider me as reasonably well qualified in tall buildings in terms of construction, retro-refitting and alteration with a certain amount of explosive demolition experience having had overview control of two sites contracted by Explosive Demolition Inc here in the U.K.
I have not been consulted by any agencies to do with 911 and mostly detest government departments - but enough of my taxman problems!

The only tall building "experts" fooled were the ones ascribing Truther philosophy.



Scientist agree new thermite weapon best for the job,[ /quote]

Oh give me strength! Thermite is not a weapon - it's at best, a rather tricky heating substance used to weld railway rails!!! Why the hell would "scientist" or "scientists" for that matter waste their time trying to perfect such items when there are so many better proper weapons already available?

[quote]
which is favored over putting a buster bunker on the planes.

So now these "scientists" are thinking of putting "bunker busters" on civilian airliners eh?

Thermite casing is then designed to survive the fire and any impact damage from the plane.

I think I'm going to choke myself to death laughing so much!


Bush decides that it may not be enough to demolish two 110 story towers with 7.6 million square feet and he decides to add the 25 story WTC 7 with another 600,000 square feet of floor area. (this was perhaps their biggest mistake!)

So now you're making out the guy that chokes on pretzels in front of his T.V. and can bearly ad lib to save his life to be the greatest criminal mastermind since The Joker!!! Utter tosh.

Local contractor ACE Elevators bribed millions of dollars to place charges in elevator

So you think that putting charges in the elevator ( or shafts ) could bring about a demolition of Building 7 as we all saw on T.V. ? Before you answer - you'd better think of how many clearance contractors were bribed to hide explosively cut lumps of massive steel sections in their lunch boxes because I haven't seen any in the thousands of photos!

-Explosives placed at all levels ready for the big day

Ah now, there's a thing - you wouldn't need them "at all levels" so you are particularly out of your league on that one.

the fire-proof explosives that were cleverly hidden

Do tell me how this might be accomplished - I promise not to laugh till you finished explaining.

None of the wreckage in any photo shows the slightest sign of explosive contact.

[ProBonoShill]

Hi Alan,

I'm pretty sure Tom is mocking the truth movement and does a fine job of it.

He had me fooled initially as well. :)

[dafydd]

None of you have really outlined the official ae911truth theory:

-Bush presidency starts Jan 20, 2001 and he starts planning false flag attack
-Contact made with terrorists and army (local contact) and air-force and various agencies
- Hastily arranges more pilot training lessons, that have been going on for years
-Scientist agree new thermite weapon best for the job, which is favored over putting a buster bunker on the planes.
-Thermite casing is then designed to survive the fire and any impact damage from the plane.
-Bush decides that it may not be enough to demolish two 110 story towers with 7.6 million square feet and he decides to add the 25 story WTC 7 with another 600,000 square feet of floor area. (this was perhaps their biggest mistake!)
-Local contractor ACE Elevators bribed millions of dollars to place charges in elevator
-Security at immigration, airports and buildings, bribed to look the other way.
-Explosives placed at all levels ready for the big day

- The big day was selected to occur the day after a Giants-Broncos game and a Michael Jackson concert at the Garden, so that most of the financial sector would sleep in.
- Planes impacted towers at the agreed levels with a big bang, avoiding the fire-proof explosives that were cleverly hidden at the same level....
- wait one hour to let most people escape, since the plan is not to kill people.
- then demolish WTC 1 and 2 towers with a small noiseless "bang" (at least compared to the impact explosion) with the failure starting at the impact level.
- then wait 7 more hours and demolish WTC 7

- 99.9% of structural engineers foolled into thinking that explosives were not involved.
And it completely fooled all the tall building experts, or they were part of it and had been consulted.

And here we are eight and a half years later arguing about it.! You know it makes sense, thats why Richard Gage needs thousands of dollars of donations to keep up the good fight.

Happy 4th of July everyone.!

We're not really arguing about it.I just come hear to have a giggle with the truthers.Not you,because you are only pretending to be a truther.The truth movement is dead and and buried,and you can't argue with a corpse.

[carlitos]

Cross-posting into on-topic thread.Certainly. I'm glad you asked. The 911 attack was an inside job. Or outside job, if you want to use that term. Complete video fakery regarding 'live' video feeds and consequent video recordings. Don't believe the lie. Don't believe the hype. Expose you, we will. Yoda says.

Anders:
Perhaps you could flesh out the explanation above, with the "Who, How, Why, What," etc.

Thanks!